So far oda has made luffy revel 2nd and 3rd gear
My question is how far do you think he will take luffy's gears
if it makes it to 5th gear im quiting one piece becuase
at that point it will have reached the dbz conflict (to many powerups)
So far oda has made luffy revel 2nd and 3rd gear
My question is how far do you think he will take luffy's gears
if it makes it to 5th gear im quiting one piece becuase
at that point it will have reached the dbz conflict (to many powerups)
yea, i dunno…....it's definetly dbz ESQUE, but not anything similar.
he' not just randomly powering up, he's using his unique abilities in new ways.
as long as each new gear is a decent change, i won't mind.
I doubt there will anymore gears coming because it wouldn´t make any sense anymore.
i would like oda to drop the gears thing,except that it is simillar to DB it exhausts luffy,i would prefer a less dramatic way to fight cuz this has gotten ridiculous,i mean shouldn't luffy blow up in gear 4 or 5 with a sting of a bee??
amd gear 3 was stupid,luffy was utterly defeated with gear 3,it lacks speed and it is ugly to the eye
Well the gear techniques are really different types of upgrades for currently established gomu gomu techniques. That aspect is similar to DBZ. However, unlike DBZ, Gear Third is not an upgraded version of of Gear Second.
From what I gather, Gear Second is a type of adrenaline boost which makes all of his moves much faster (Jet Pistol, Jet Whip, etc) , while Gear Third makes all of his current moves much stronger (Giant Axe, Giant Stamp, etc), while sacrificing speed, not to mention both of them are "activated" in completely different ways. Gear Third also seems to be a much more debilitating after it wears off, as he is completely helpless afterward.
Like samurai, I have a hard time seeing a Gear Fourth anytime in the near future. The only one I can visualize is one combining Second and Third, which I'm kind of doubting at the moment.
gear 3 dropped the speed and concetrated on the power but i like sanji's and zoro's upgrades better,zoro's demon ki will become one day like shank's ki that made people faint and sanji has many chances of improving cuz his upgrade is really unique
but the gears exhaust and do damage to luffy while sanji and zoro have only benefits from demon ki and diamble jamb
I hope that there aren't too many gears. Maybe gear fourth makes Luffy a giant. It would be nice to see gear 5 being all the gears combined
So super speed with super strength and super size. Too many gears is gonna turn this into DBZ.
I don't think we'll see any more gears, but I do believe that Luffy will learn how to vulcanize himself. Vulcanized rubber is way more durable than natural rubber.
Only problem is, once he does it, how would he devulcanize himself? ^^;
I hope that there aren't too many gears. Maybe gear fourth makes Luffy a giant. It would be nice to see gear 5 being all the gears combined
So super speed with super strength and super size. Too many gears is gonna turn this into DBZ.
and gear 5 isn't??? DB had only 4 super sayajin levels (with DB gt though the manga only has 3)
If there are any more Gears, they will also have negative side effects. One of them will probably be good for only one move, i.e. focusing all of Luffy's energy into one punch or something.
No matter how it happens, if Luffy wants to be the Pirate King, he has to have strength that splits the heavens (like Shanks and Whitebeard clashing swords).
@Gerchak:
If there are any more Gears, they will also have negative side effects. One of them will probably be good for only one move, i.e. focusing all of Luffy's energy into one punch or something.
No matter how it happens, if Luffy wants to be the Pirate King, he has to have strength that splits the heavens (like Shanks and Whitebeard clashing swords).
i think oda told in an SBS or an interview he wouls like OP to last 100 chapters,so after 12 years luffy will propably have reached that level
I think Gear 3 and whatnot shouldn't be taken to ZOMGXTREM3 but integrate them into normal fighting so Luffy is faster and gets slightly larger big but won't get too small or lower his life expectancy too much.
I like what FFA said about vulcanization, and use it in the way that Gerchak suggested. Kind of like the benefits of gear third, but without the loss of speed. But with a time factor involved, and if Luffy uses it too much, the vulcanization process becomes harder and harder to achieve. I suppose, while being powerful, it would be fair.
He's going to have all the gears of a 21 speed bike. 3x7
I don't care how many GEARS Luffy has they are awesome
and gear 5 isn't??? DB had only 4 super sayajin levels (with DB gt though the manga only has 3)
just going to point out: isnt gear 1 Luffy's normal state? meaning that 5 gears is only 4 upgrades just like DB(gt)? (sorry for beeing so picky but my post had so little substance without this)
ofc i want to see more gomu gomu no baka techniques and such instead of more gears.
@Fire Fist:
I don't think we'll see any more gears, but I do believe that Luffy will learn how to vulcanize himself. Vulcanized rubber is way more durable than natural rubber.
Only problem is, once he does it, how would he devulcanize himself? ^^;
I actually just realized something: Couldn't gear three already take advantage of vulcanized rubber?
I had been having a hard time understanding why Gear three would lead to any greater offensive power than luffy's regular attacks. After all, if you inflate a balloon and hit someone with it, you wouldn't really expect an increase in damage.
But couldn't luffy's "bone balloon" be more akin to inflating a car tire (which is made from vulcanized rubber)? It would make sense if luffy's bones were a much tougher consistency of rubber than his skin and muscles and the easiest way to explain that it that they are already made of "vulcanized rubber."
So, couldn't the damage increase between Luffy's regular fluffy gomu gomu balloon and the Gear 3 bone balloon be equivalent to the damage increase from a regular rubber beach ball being thrown at your face and a vulcanized car tire breaking your face?
If that is the case, gear three could end up being the strongest move of any character in One Piece. No other substance on earth can withstand a greater impact without shattering than inflated vulcanized natural rubber. If rubber trees went extinct, the airline industry would die because nothing else can take the impact of a jet landing without risking horrendous loss of life.
So think of luffy next time your plane touches down.
@ the rest of you: Please do remember that "gears" are simply techniques and not pointless powerups that you get after yelling a lot. I honestly don't think we need any more gears after this. Perfecting the skills he has already developed could easily last luffy until the end of the series.
I actually just realized something: Couldn't gear three already take advantage of vulcanized rubber?
I had been having a hard time understanding why Gear three would lead to any greater offensive power than luffy's regular attacks. After all, if you inflate a balloon and hit someone with it, you wouldn't really expect an increase in damage.
But couldn't luffy's "bone balloon" be more akin to inflating a car tire (which is made from vulcanized rubber)? It would make sense if luffy's bones were a much tougher consistency of rubber than his skin and muscles and the easiest way to explain that it that they are already made of "vulcanized rubber."
So, couldn't the damage increase between Luffy's regular fluffy gomu gomu balloon and the Gear 3 bone balloon be equivalent to the damage increase from a regular rubber beach ball being thrown at your face and a vulcanized car tire breaking your face?
If that is the case, gear three could end up being the strongest move of any character in One Piece. No other substance on earth can withstand a greater impact without shattering than inflated vulcanized natural rubber. If rubber trees went extinct, the airline industry would die because nothing else can take the impact of a jet landing without risking horrendous loss of life.
So think of luffy next time your plane touches down.
That's a great point, Boiga, and yet, I don't feel that Gear 3rd is really "True" Vulcanization, as it is simply massive air compression within Luffy's bone structure. Of course, the whole concept of inflating bones is bizarre, but this is a manga, so we'll let it slide.
For vulcanization, I was thinking more along the lines of the modern process of using sulfur to directly harden the rubber. As such, Luffy wouldn't compress air within himself, but rather use some sort of internal process, possibly by swallowing an edible compound made by Chopper, and then using Gear 2nd to heat the powder, vulcanizing him from the inside out. This would make him heat resistant (Though I doubt he'd fight ace), Even MORE resistant to impact, and cold resistant as well (Though I really don't think he will fight Kuzan, either).
But no, the way I understood it, Gear 3rd was simply air compression caused by inflating the bones directly rather than inflating the lungs, as in Fuusen's case. Vulcanization would be completely different.
why are you guys talking about DBZ similarities?
it is totally different …
in DBZ all sayajins could use their "power up" by
using spirit energy/particles, and even people like cell or freezer
had those "power ups", so stop talking about DBZ here ...
luffy is using his unique DF abilities, which nobody else can do,
because there aren't 2 gomu gomu no fruits in the one piece world ~~
so he is unique himself, in DBZ it was like an usual power up for all
people in the end, just look at those kids who could use "SSJ power" ><
i really dont mind that luffy is using gears, because it is nothing
more than another attack style, crocodile oso had his "desert sparda"
attack, which was an unique attack, because of his logia abilities
so what? it is UNIQUE, stop talking about DBZ and return to the topic please
I dunno really what the thread has been made to, but at least, I can say WE DON'T KNOW how far Oda will take Luffy.
As far as we know he could get to Gear 5th and Reverse Gear too, or up to 10. He couldn't care less if you like it or not, so saying if you like it or now doesn't help speculating about it.
For one, Gear 3rd was utterly useless in that battle. It's obvious it wasn't introduced there to actually be used, but more like a preview. Perhaps against Moria?
Also we need to see that we're already near the New World. My guess is that we'll have a big 3-year saga there, the last one, consisting of all of Luffy's 10 crewmembers he gathered and all the powerups they had so far. "Everything that made them who they are today."
So I'm with using the Gears till the end of the series. :D
@ the rest of you: Please do remember that "gears" are simply techniques and not pointless powerups that you get after yelling a lot.
lol u just made me break the bandage on my chin
rofl rofl
and gear 5 isn't??? DB had only 4 super sayajin levels (with DB gt though the manga only has 3)
Sorry, I haven't read DBZ in a long time. I think that all those combined shouldn't be called gear 5… Or maybe don't combine them. I just think gear four being a giant would be convienient (Gecko Moria and Elbaf)
I dont like the whole ultimate transformation thing, that makes all his ability's better… I think it's great that aren't just overpowered, but have downsides to them to. As for for gear 4 i would like to see vulcanisation.
Vulcanisation, could make luffy's body hard, making him have a high defence/atackpower but at the loss of his Rubber ability's.
I think of the gears as when Luffy when Mizu Mizu or when Luffy went octopus. They're just changes in the body structure for Luffy to do different attacks.
Another one of these posts it seems. Look, its a hard true fact that all shonen anime has powerups. If Luffy gum gum battle axed his way through the entire series his fights would get predictable. It is inevitable that people are gonna learn new things after fighting for all this time. I think its safe to say that we can trust Oda to do the right thing and not make it get ridiculous. Look, apparently DBZ has caused massive psychological scarring on people and everyone needs depowerup therapy. It's fine for a character to get an upgrade, it doesn't mean the next chapter is omg its gonna take 12 episodes for 5 minutes to elapse. Relax guy!
@Rai:
I dunno really what the thread has been made to, but at least, I can say WE DON'T KNOW how far Oda will take Luffy.
As far as we know he could get to Gear 5th and Reverse Gear too, or up to 10. He couldn't care less if you like it or not, so saying if you like it or now doesn't help speculating about it.
For one, Gear 3rd was utterly useless in that battle. It's obvious it wasn't introduced there to actually be used, but more like a preview. Perhaps against Moria?
Also we need to see that we're already near the New World. My guess is that we'll have a big 3-year saga there, the last one, consisting of all of Luffy's 10 crewmembers he gathered and all the powerups they had so far. "Everything that made them who they are today."
So I'm with using the Gears till the end of the series. :D
npt useless it did damage lucci legs enough so that he could finish off luffy
If we analyse the gears, what can we say…
Gear 1 - Normal statement - Luffy is
( due to his DF and abilities ) a medium range fighter. Let's say he has the same level in speed, strength, and power.
Gear 2 - Luffy is faster, by boosting is heart to bring the blood faster to his muscles. So luffy gain in speed.
( human are using 15% of his muscles because of the heart rate, oxygens can not be burn fast enough to use more, flies use 95% of there muscles, because they have holes in there skin that bring the oxygen directly in the muscles. )
Gear 3 - Luffy is stronger, bigger, but also slower, by adding air in is bones.
If he can use together gear 2 and 3 he can gain in power, because as E=mc² (E energy, power is the product of m the mass by square c the celerity, speed) so if he can be twice faster in gear 3 he will be 2² = 4 times more powerful .
Gear 4 ? - The only thing left is hardness… to resist more from strong attacks. So the vulcanization like said before is a good option for luffy ( I first though that gear 2 was vulcanization, because there was smoke from him)
BUT!!! vulcanization is not due to rubber only... you have to had soufre and fire!!!
The question is, are DF allow you to have the abilities of a element, or can it allow you to manipulate in all the ways this element... if it's not the case vulcanization is not possible for luffy alone, he'll need help chopper to make special soufre pills??? sanji or franky to make him burn??? could be a strange technique...
CYA guys
Gear 3 - Luffy is stronger, bigger, but also slower, by adding air in is bones.
If he can use together gear 2 and 3 he can gain in power, because as E=mc² (E energy, power is the product of m the mass by square c the celerity, speed) so if he can be twice faster in gear 3 he will be 2² = 4 times more powerful .
you are missquoting E=mc(squared)c stands for the speed of light constant and energy /= force.
the famous equation is more to state that matter is energy and how they relate then how hard you punch with with known mass and velocity (the letter used for speed in theese kind of equations is v btw)
Gear 4 ? - The only thing left is hardness… to resist more from strong attacks. So the vulcanization like said before is a good option for luffy ( I first though that gear 2 was vulcanization, because there was smoke from him)
gear 3 IS hardened. the bullets the marines are fireing at him doesnt pass through his body and Luffy mentions that Gear 3 is harder then a normal fuusen. (edit: chapter 422 page 11)
BUT!!! vulcanization is not due to rubber only… you have to had soufre and fire!!!
The question is, are DF allow you to have the abilities of a element, or can it allow you to manipulate in all the ways this element... if it's not the case vulcanization is not possible for luffy alone, he'll need help chopper to make special soufre pills??? sanji or franky to make him burn??? could be a strange technique...
As Bogia (really Boiga) said his bones might already be vulcanized through the Devilfruit from the beginning.
also i belive that luffy has some kind of concious controll of his rubber powers. (when he goes rubber octopus against enel he relaxes his rubber powers so that he extends his arms without them beeing strained like they are when he punches or holds something. also gear 2 is an indication that he can somehow controll it since the muscles involved cant normally be controlled)
but it is likely he is too stupid to understand what vulcanized rubber is.
If we analyse the gears, what can we say…
Gear 1 - Normal statement - Luffy is
( due to his DF and abilities ) a medium range fighter. Let's say he has the same level in speed, strength, and power.Gear 2 - Luffy is faster, by boosting is heart to bring the blood faster to his muscles. So luffy gain in speed.
( human are using 15% of his muscles because of the heart rate, oxygens can not be burn fast enough to use more, flies use 95% of there muscles, because they have holes in there skin that bring the oxygen directly in the muscles. )
Gear 3 - Luffy is stronger, bigger, but also slower, by adding air in is bones.
If he can use together gear 2 and 3 he can gain in power, because as E=mc² (E energy, power is the product of m the mass by square c the celerity, speed) so if he can be twice faster in gear 3 he will be 2² = 4 times more powerful .Gear 4 ? - The only thing left is hardness… to resist more from strong attacks. So the vulcanization like said before is a good option for luffy ( I first though that gear 2 was vulcanization, because there was smoke from him)
BUT!!! vulcanization is not due to rubber only... you have to had soufre and fire!!!
The question is, are DF allow you to have the abilities of a element, or can it allow you to manipulate in all the ways this element... if it's not the case vulcanization is not possible for luffy alone, he'll need help chopper to make special soufre pills??? sanji or franky to make him burn??? could be a strange technique...CYA guys
isn't E=mc(squared) for atoms?? i am not an expert in phyiscs but i think that theory is for the microworld
and isn't c the speed of light as gorlom said??
EDIT:
Think it applies to both micro and macro world. things dont go haywire untill we enter quantum… (smaller then subparticles i think)
also the measurements are kilograms and Joule which is a bit big for microworld only.
However the Energy in this context doesnt equal strenght or force.
"Mass-energy equivalence" states how much energy there is in said mass. if you utilize all the energy there wont be any mass left as it would have all been "transmuted" into energy (using a word from the wikipedia article since i couldnt come up with a better one myself)
(nothing wrong with your link fixus but it said a lot of other things as well so im posting a link from that article to a more indepth E=mc(squared) article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-energy_equivalence)
A more apropriet equation would probably be F=ma (im not sure about the letter F but i think its position in the formula is supposed to be "kinetic energy")
The last gear should be something called Gear Final, which combines the results of Gear Second and Gear Third.
I like the Gears as they are. Gear 2 is good for giving him small bursts of speed and Gear 3 is good for giving him a one hit KO due to immense strength (I say OHKO because, as we saw with Lucci, if the move fails Luffy is pretty screwed over due to him being overly slow and the chibi form). I, like others don't view the Gears as Luffy's "SSJ". They really on him "editing" his body as aposed to training, screaming and powering up for hours on end and at the risk of sounding fanboyish, because of the lack of training, screaming and powering up, I think it's the most original power up I've seen to date in any manga series (I'd say Allen's Crowned Clown or whatever the hell it's called is equally as original but I don't know much about it at the moment).
However I don't want to see any more gears. They both seem ideal for certain situations and provide him with a good weakness. Any more would spoil the idea, partly because I can't even think of anything else he could do bar combining them, which I don't agree with. In my opinion Luffy should develop these two moves to ensure they prove to be useful in the New World.
The gears aren't really the same thing as SSJ. While SSJ for the most part is just powerups that continue off of each other and makes the user stronger than the last, the gears dont. Heck Gear 2 is pretty much better than Gear 3 in every way so far, except for giant enemies and raw strength. To be honest Oda really hasn't done anything with Gear 3 yet to make it seem like much of strength powerup either. Destroying a door and part of a battleship is not stronger than what Luffy was able to do before in his normal form.
Luffy needs to find a way of dealing with Logia users also. He basically relies on luck and spur of the moment thinking to beat them, and someone who is considered the strongest/most famous person in the whole world (by the end of the series) should have an easier way of dealing with an ability that appears so often.
I like the idea of Gear Six being Reverse– and something really absurd like snapping himself back one island.
Gears aren't at all like DB powerups. There was a clear transformation in those, where the character was just flat out, way stronger than they were a minute ago. Toriyama always said the reason he did that was because it was easier to see the power up with a visual change.
The gears are just crazy moves that last for more than one attack, as opposed to entirely new forms. (Sure there's steam, and giant limbs, but…) Basically, if Luffy had called Gear 2 "Gomu Gomu Steam Rush!" and gear 3 "Gomu gomu Massive Cannon!" then this argument wouldn't be had at all, and the moves would just be accepted as new inventions for the arc, no different than him using a finger net or pinwheel attack during Arlong, or being inflated like a baloon and full of water against Crocadile..
The labels on the gears make everyone think typical shounen, but they aren't really. They're just new moves in Luffy's arsenal that happen that allow him acess to a different move set, as opposed to attacks in and of themselves. I have to imagine he'll go some fights without using them, since it would get boring fast if in every fight, we KNEW it wasn't over till he went Gear 2. (imilarly in the DB movies, it never counted till they went Super.) I think its entirely possible Luffy will just have these things in his arsenal to use as needed, and won't necesariily be his first resort, considering he's more aware of the side effects now.
could it be …. gear 2 + gear 3 = gear 4/5?
luffy pump his leg but blowing less air in his bone, making him a half size giant.
gear 2 speeds + some gear 3 mass = gear 4/5.
faster and stronger atack???
I don't know why Luffy would have to develop other gears. He already has super power (Gear 3rd) and great speed (Gear 2nd). So what, a mix of these for a Gear 4th ? I suppose Luffy would have to be all giant, because there's no reason he could accelerate his arms or legs while he is in Gear 3rd…
May be the two gears are incompatible : because Luffy's body is hot and very elastic while Gear 2nd, he could not keep a Gear 3rd form at the same time... Sorry that I'm not very clear to explain my point of view ! It's difficult in english !...
Perhaps Gear 4 will be Gear 3 but much, much faster? Just a thought.
you are all wrong!
Gear 4 is when he becomes airborn! death from ABOVE!
gear 5 is when he figures out how to use his powers to shapeshift… perhaps into different animals takeing on the power of Zoan DFs with a paramecian one!
(no im not serious im just bullshitting)
Well Luffy maybe could fibrate his body at some extreme rate.. and then he could use the powers of the wind to fight his opponents.
wind as in "passing wind"? ie farting?
(sorry couldnt help it)
^^ yes , fart bullets!
Gear 2 was inspired by the steam power sea train…
Rocketman = insane speed; Gear 2 = Current Battle Abilties + Sora(speed)
Gear 3 was invented due to Luffy fascination of Giant & their raw power
you are missquoting E=mc(squared)c stands for the speed of light constant and energy /= force.
the famous equation is more to state that matter is energy and how they relate then how hard you punch with with known mass and velocity (the letter used for speed in theese kind of equations is v btw)
In classical physics the equation is exactly the same Ec=mv² if you prefer, I'm french and I was not sure you also used the "v" in your equation in US, because we use it for "vitesse" wich means speed but I presume you use the word velocity for it???. F=ma is to calculate forces due to attraction (gravitation force, but not only, also atoms forces, magnetic forces etc…)
gear 3 IS hardened. the bullets the marines are fireing at him doesnt pass through his body and Luffy mentions that Gear 3 is harder then a normal fuusen. (edit: chapter 422 page 11)
My bad
As Bogia (really Boiga) said his bones might already be vulcanized through the Devilfruit from the beginning.
Which seems logical since rubber in normal state is soft and isn't working in an elastical way, but a plastical way, which means that it can not take is form back. Actually even rubber after vulcanisation got a plastical point beyond the one it cannot go back in his original shape.
also i belive that luffy has some kind of concious controll of his rubber powers. (when he goes rubber octopus against enel he relaxes his rubber powers so that he extends his arms without them beeing strained like they are when he punches or holds something. also gear 2 is an indication that he can somehow controll it since the muscles involved cant normally be controlled)
but it is likely he is too stupid to understand what vulcanized rubber is.
^^ it's my opinion too ^^
Acctually im not american. Im a non Brittish european…
but we dont use letters form words in our language in formulas. i thought we used letters that were global but it might just be that we took the English letters.
my bad on the F=ma equation... i forgot what that was all about.
Look, apparently DBZ has caused massive psychological scarring on people and everyone needs depowerup therapy!
I don't really understand why, Supa Saiya-Jin abuse only happened during one saga (Cell Saga). After that, it became pretty useless in the following arc.
Gear 2 was inspired by the steam power sea train…
Rocketman = insane speed; Gear 2 = Current Battle Abilties + Sora(speed)Gear 3 was invented due to Luffy fascination of Giant & their raw power
i agree
luffy's implied that he got the ideas for his gears from people he has met
If Fourth gear (or I hope the Final Gear) is on the works, I hope Luffy can somehow mix the powers of the 2nd and 3rd gears. That would be awesome.