I was just wondering but what is Kaizoku going to do once Funimation starts releasing uncut/dual dvd's for One Piece?
Are they going to keep doing One Piece, move on to other series, or are they not sure yet?
The future of K-F
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I doubt they will stop just because of a new dub, Kaizoku-Fansubs will probobly keep going until It's finished or until they get tired of it.
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I would definitley rather watch fan subs than pay for DVD dubs/subs.
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I would definitley rather watch fan subs than pay for DVD dubs/subs.
lol, who said you need to pay for them?
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lol, who said you need to pay for them?
Oh, no one other than the law; who pesters you not to download pirated films everytime you want to watch a DVD these days.
Thankfully I don't need either the subs or the dubs. Somehow English voices applied to animation doesn't give the same feeling as watching one with the original, Japanese voice actors.
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I guess it all depends if/when FUNi or Toei sends out C&D letters.
Doesn't matter to me though, I'm looking forward to the new dub!
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I dunno, it just seems wrong continuing it with all that Funi's about to do. K-F, it can argued, helped save One Piece. Would the fandom thrive this much without all their years of work? They've done a lot and it should be commended. I'm not here trying to argue moral superiority, l'll admit, I dl Bleach/Naruto still, but I think K-F should prob. stop this year. I can see why people want it to continue, I know I enjoy Bleach/Naruto and would hate if they left…
Well I'll just a buy a bunch of the dvd's to show some support no matter what happens since I like the show. But I'm just saying people should watch the new dub and/or get the dvd's, (or at least a bunch of them, I know how expensive a hugeass series can be) having 200+ OP stuff up for immediate dl could hurt it a bit. Maybe KF could help save a new show that got screwed over, or fansub some little known of gem (like LoT Galactic Heroes).
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That´s a dull question IMO since dubs and subs are two completely different things. Personally (not only OP related but generally) I favor subs over dubs big time. And I know I´m not the only one. So I hope K-F keeps it kicking for us who don´t want to have any other OP fix but subs (as long as the anime is concerned).
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I have tried watching and comparing anime DVDs and fansubs and in my opinion, it's better to watch anime fansubs than the original DVDs especially if it is done by K-F (They are afterall the best fansubbers out there). So i sure hope they will complete subbing One Piece, if not, watching it will never be the same again.
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I honestly could not give a shit. I wouldn't care if FUNi or Toei sent C&Ds (after movie 6 is released >_>).
Why don't I care? Because it is just a fansub. If something happens, oh well. We are getting uncut OP on DVDs. People are gonna rather download than buy because face it, people are cheap bastards.
If when a DVD is released and those episodes are taken down respectively, then I can picture K-F being left alone (and if not, again, oh well).
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Personally I actually prefer buying the DVDs. I show my support for them and I can watch the episodes where ever and whenever I want. Plus I often have to leave my computer on for about 9 - 12 hours to get an episode and after downloading a handful a few years ago, my ISP sent out a letter asking me to stop downloading so much.
However truth be told I'd rather just read the manga. I've gone off the anime version of most series.
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I think some people are forgetting that 90% of the time when a company releases "uncut" DVDs, it's got dubs, AND subs. So if you like Japanese voices, they're still gonna be on the DVDs.
Me, I'm still gonna watch Fansubs in generall because they are at least 6 years ahead of where Funimation is gonna have to start from. I just can't wait that long.
But I'll probably also buy the uncut DVDs when they come out, just like I do with Naruto.
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@EvilGamerX:
I honestly could not give a shit. I wouldn't care if FUNi or Toei sent C&Ds (after movie 6 is released >_>).
that's EXACTLY what I've been saying. I don't care if Funi shuts them down as long as they wait until AFTER movie 6 (how far away are they from Movie 6 BTW?)
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I dunno, it just seems wrong continuing it with all that Funi's about to do. K-F, it can argued, helped save One Piece. Would the fandom thrive this much without all their years of work? They've done a lot and it should be commended. I'm not here trying to argue moral superiority, l'll admit, I dl Bleach/Naruto still, but I think K-F should prob. stop this year. I can see why people want it to continue, I know I enjoy Bleach/Naruto and would hate if they left…
Well I'll just a buy a bunch of the dvd's to show some support no matter what happens since I like the show. But I'm just saying people should watch the new dub and/or get the dvd's, (or at least a bunch of them, I know how expensive a hugeass series can be) having 200+ OP stuff up for immediate dl could hurt it a bit. Maybe KF could help save a new show that got screwed over, or fansub some little known of gem (like LoT Galactic Heroes).
I totally plan on buying the DVDs. I don't know if I'll like their dub enough to watch it, but hopefully I will. But if K-F wants to continue, why not? DB still subs Naruto even though they're releasing uncut dvds. What I'm worried about is FUNimation might stop releasing new episodes before the series is finished.
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that's EXACTLY what I've been saying. I don't care if Funi shuts them down as long as they wait until AFTER movie 6 (how far away are they from Movie 6 BTW?)
It is literally the very next thing to release. Seriously, 223 is already out so Movie 6 is up next.
Also, I'm going to be buying uncut One Piece IF it comes out in the UK. For some reason, I hope that Kaizoku does Shaman King.
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If KF does continue I think they should at least have a message at the beginning to encourage fans to support Funi's release. I'm just glad I can FINALLY see the Japanese previews intact, haha!
Also, Shaman King is already fansubbed. It's an early fansub and the quality's a bit off, but it's more than watchable.
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I'm just glad I can FINALLY see the Japanese previews intact, haha!
Maybe, but Toei didn't give FUNi the previews in Dragonball. (Except GT.) So we can't say for sure that the One Piece DVDs will have them either.
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I doubt it. Toei did that because DBZ/DB hadn't been released in Japan yet, it's their little way of discouraging "reverse importation."
I bought the first One Piece VHS Japanese in a Japantown ages ago, the episodes are fully uncut with previews. So I think Toei won't do anything this time.
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If they shut down K-F then I sure as hell wont be buying their DVD's.
I intend to buy their DVD's, but I also intend to watch K-F's future releases too. FUNi has no reason to shut them down unless they are assholes. Viz didn't shut down Dattebayo for Naruto & Bleach. 4kids didn't shut down K-F when they had One Piece.
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Said it before and I´m saying it again. Dubs and subs are two completely different things. A dub gives you what you don´t get in a sub and vice versa. If they would be the same then FUNi would have to move against K-F because they are offering something for free what they paid money for the rights in hope to make a profit with it. But since that´s not the case there would be no real reason to move against K-F.
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Well I'm a big fan of K-F and have been for many years. I'm looking forward to the new dub of OP and Can't wait. Wheather K-F goes down it does not matter to me. As long as we get the Uncut DVD'S, all else will be fin.
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I´m actually quite the opposite. Whether there are uncut DVD´s or not, I couldn´t care less. I´m not a big fan of dubs and like my stuff kept in the original language because thats how makers envisioned it. I just need subs to understand whats going on if a language I don´t know comes into play. So yeah, to me it would be a big letdown if K-F stops because of something that has something that has nothing to do with what they do.
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I´m actually quite the opposite. Whether there are uncut DVD´s or not, I couldn´t care less. I´m not a big fan of dubs and like my stuff kept in the original language because thats how makers envisioned it. I just need subs to understand whats going on if a language I don´t know comes into play. So yeah, to me it would be a big letdown if K-F stops because of something that has something that has nothing to do with what they do.
Erm, were you just implying that the Uncut DVDs won't have the japanese version with subs? Because it will.
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@Vegard:
Erm, were you just implying that the Uncut DVDs won't have the japanese version with subs? Because it will.
Have you actually changed DVD subs? They really are poor quality and often don´t translate well which makes sense because only a very little part of the budget goes to this section of DVD production.
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I agree with Ivotas. This better not be the end of KF.
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I doubt FUNi is gonna shut K-F. I mean, they announced they had the license last month and haven't sent out a single C&D since, which is odd considering they'd either send out one either before they announce the license or immediatly after the announcement.
If they were gonna do it then they would've done it already.
Have you actually changed DVD subs? They really are poor quality and often don´t translate well which makes sense because only a very little part of the budget goes to this section of DVD production.
Come again? I'm pretty sure FUNi's subs will be top-notch stuff. They usually are, IMO.
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@Brad:
I doubt FUNi is gonna shut K-F. I mean, they announced they had the license last month and haven't sent out a single C&D since, which is odd considering they'd either send out one either before they announce the license or immediatly after the announcement in other cases.
If they were gonna do it then they would've done it already.
Well, that's a relief.
I too would be very disappointed if Kaizoku Fansubs were forced to shut down.
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@Brad:
Come again? I'm pretty sure FUNi's subs will be top-notch stuff. They usually are, IMO.
My point exactly, I just didn't bother to say it. All of my FUNimation-DVDs (Not much, just a few Dragonball-DVDs) have excellent translations, except for a few typos every now and then.
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@Mr.:
Well, that's a relief.
I too would be very disappointed if Kaizoku Fansubs were forced to shut down.
I wouldn't relax just yet. They might shut 'em down when the "huge announcement" at Anime Expo comes around.
@Vegard:
My point exactly, I just didn't bother to say it. All of my FUNimation-DVDs (Not much, just a few Dragonball-DVDs) have excellent translations, except for a few typos every now and then.
The DBZ subs by Daimao are the subs to go by as far as I'm concerned. I haven't purchased the DB sets but I plan to before FUNimation "remasters" that series too.
While I'm at it, I'd like to add that I'm grateful to K-F for providing a kickass alternative to the previous dub. Thanks guys.
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@Brad:
Come again? I'm pretty sure FUNi's subs will be top-notch stuff. They usually are, IMO.
Though I must admit that I´ve never seen FUNi´s work I expect them not to be the same quality of K-F who´s subs also shine through the great effects for attack names AND the sub-subs for japanisms.
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Though I must admit that I´ve never seen FUNi´s work I expect them not to be the same quality of K-F who´s subs also shine through the great effects for attack names AND the sub-subs for japanisms.
Well, one thing you probably won't be getting is the little explanations of japanese wierdness at the top of the screen anymore.
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Im just a jerk who hates 4Kids so I'd buy the Funi dubs reguardlss just to hopefully teach 4Kids a lesson…. not sure how it teaches 4Kids anything but I want the show to be sucessful now
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Though I must admit that I´ve never seen FUNi´s work I expect them not to be the same quality of K-F who´s subs also shine through the great effects for attack names AND the sub-subs for japanisms.
No offense, but I REALLY love how people use the "their subtitles are all plain and not fancy so they suck" argument against official subtitles.
Of course were not gonna get any of those fancy effects. The professional subs have to be simpler so they can easily be switched on and off in a on a DVD. Not only that, but you also have to consider memory on the disc as well as how fancy effects could bleed onto the image when the subs are off.
I'm not attacking K-F for any of this (in fact, I really like all the cool effects for attack names and the sort), but I do fear that a lot fans are getting spoiled by fansubs.
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No offense, but I REALLY love how people use the "their subtitles are all plain and not fancy so they suck" argument against official subtitles.
Of course were not gonna get any of those fancy effects. The professional subs have to be simpler so they can easily be switched on and off in a on a DVD. Not only that, but you also have to consider memory on the disc as well as how fancy effects could bleed onto the image when the subs are off.
I'm not attacking K-F for any of this (in fact, I really like all the cool effects for attack names and the sort), but I do fear that a lot fans are getting spoiled by fansubs.
Not our fault that 90% of the time fansubs are better than official subs. Those attack effects have very little to do with it as well. Official subs are just plain and simple as possible and don't go into detail or effort for much of anything from what I've seen. This might be different, but a sub that is forced to go against what is being shown and said to stick with crappy dub terms cannot hope to compete with fansubs. Its also pretty ridiculous to think KF should stop for Funi. If anything there should be far more fansub and scanlation groups for One Piece.
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No offense, but I REALLY love how people use the "their subtitles are all plain and not fancy so they suck" argument against official subtitles.
Did I say they suck because of that? No I didn´t! I just said that I prefer it more that way and I still stay by the opinion because that way the subs themselves become a bit of art which simply is not the case for regular subs
And with sub-subs I actually meant those explenations on the top of the screen which definitely is (for me at least) a strong difference from regular subs over K-F´s work. You don´t just get a translation but also a bit of explenation that way.
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Well, Funi usually puts an english translation of untranslated words or names in parenthesis as a sort of note, similarly with word puns, but nothing like the K-F subs.
And yes, I have been spoiled rotten by the recent use of fansub effects
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Did I say they suck because of that? No I didn´t! I just said that I prefer it more that way and I still stay by the opinion because that way the subs themselves become a bit of art which simply is not the case for regular subs
Even still, I go back to what I said about technical limitations/problems arising should any company try to integrate flashy stuff like K-F onto an official DVD.
And I was thinking how some fans in general say that the official product sucks because theres no fancy subs. I've encountered quite a few people like that.
And with sub-subs I actually meant those explenations on the top of the screen which definitely is (for me at least) a strong difference from regular subs over K-F´s work. You don´t just get a translation but also a bit of explenation that way.
FUNimation does that as well.
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To be honest, I would like K-F a lot more if the subtitles were soft-subs.
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If people want fancy effects like karaoke, just ask Funimation for it. Hell, their 2nd main translator 'Mato posts right here, I even asked him if they'd do karaoke. If Funimation knows that fans like karaoke so much, or a certain style of sub, then just let em know enough. Anime companies haven't gotten on board for karaoke yet, but they may if fans ask them enough. It's little cost/effort on Funimation's fault and it could make their subs even more desirable to fan.
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If people want fancy effects like karaoke, just ask Funimation for it. Hell, their 2nd main translator 'Mato posts right here, I even asked him if they'd do karaoke. If Funimation knows that fans like karaoke so much, or a certain style of sub, then just let em know enough. Anime companies haven't gotten on board for karaoke yet, but they may if fans ask them enough. It's little cost/effort on Funimation's fault and it could make their subs even more desirable to fan.
Karaoke wise there is problems with that idea, #1 a dvd player cant handle most fonts and font changes while watching, yes KF and other fansubs use hardsubbing. this lessens the load on the client end as well as other benefits, BUT hardsubbubg means that they cant be cut off, which for an uncut dvd is a very bad move. In the future of BlyRay of HD-Dvd the players will be more powerful so there is a better chance of it there.
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FUNimation does that as well.
Really? Well then that´s actually pretty cool.
@EvilGamerX:
To be honest, I would like K-F a lot more if the subtitles were soft-subs.
What exactly are soft-subs?
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What exactly are soft-subs?
Separate subtitle-files, like Vegapunk's scripts. The advantages are that they can be turned on and off, and are released quicker than encodings. The drawbacks (Which I don't really care about) would be that you can't add any effects to the subs that way, as it would be too CPU-demanding. All DVDs use softsubs, as far as I know.
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Problem with that is K-F sub earlier episodes which were harder to find RAW's of. (Or that use to be the case, I think RAWs from Davy Back and up are easier to find.)
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To be truthful… The main reason I REALLY wouldn't want KF to go down... is to not hear the massive fan onslaught that will inevitably happen. >_>
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To be truthful… The main reason I REALLY wouldn't want KF to go down... is to not hear the massive fan onslaught that will inevitably happen. >_>
I dont see any reason for them to do that or even want to do that, considering it would piss off the whole fanbase and make them boycott the DVDs, when their subs aren't even a good substitute or aimed at the same people.
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Most companies see fansubbing as promotional these days, esp. ones that at least PRETEND to care about their "hardcore fanbase."
But for goodness sake, if you downloaded the series and claim to be a huge fan, buy the releases, and support the product, esp at reasonable prices. $45 a season is WAY cheaper than 6 dvds a season x 20 err hows that calculate?
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If I was Funimation, I would just try to see if I could by the right to K-f fansubs, and still allow them to release sub then us their subs on the DVDs.
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The main reasons I would want to get funi's subs (while still downloading from K-F DON'T LEAVE US):
-Some people I know are like "I have OCD and I will never watch fansubs I will only watch official things." There are certain parts of the show I want to show to people like this.
-Picture quality++++ and fricken above average (supposedly) subtitles (K-F of course being above above average). Watching on computer =
though of course I don't have to watch K-F on the computer. It's just what comes naturally to me/don't feel like using a bunch of blank DVDs.-It's cool to do ok
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@EvilGamerX:
To be honest, I would like K-F a lot more if the subtitles were soft-subs.
Same, I love how with Vegapunk I can keep the raws without keeping two files. Plus it's nice to turn the subs on and off as I please.
I could care less about fancy schmancy effects. I like KF's effects but just because Funi's DVDs won't have them doesn't make them bad to me. As I even said before, I would still buy the DVDs with or without KF around.
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Shutting down fansubbers for popular series is just completely unacceptable in this day and age. Its freaking bullshit if these assholes at Funi claim to be "saving One Piece" and take them down, while the sub groups for Bleach and Naruto get to stay up. If Funi tries anything I'm boycotting, and I expect everyone else who claims to care about the show (and not just some lame dub companies profits who may or may not dub the whole thing regardless) to do the same.
Seriously we need to start a petition or something.
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