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RedShanks

I start this topic because flashbacks are discussed in several other topics, e.g.

Originally posted by Brave Warrior@ Captain Usopp in ch.355
These flashbacks haven't really done anything for him as far as I'm concerned, and they seem to be giving much more development to Tom and Iceburg. Even Kohza's flashback appearances had more development than Franky's have had so far.

It seems to me that flashbacks are sometimes used just for explaining past events (like Waipaâ€s, Viviâ€s) while others also show the emotions of the main characters. While Waipa had a rather long flashback, we never saw HIS personal feelings. In contrast to this flashback, Frankyâ€s emotions are shown in his flashback. I think it is interesting that we hardly see any of Tomâ€s, Kokoroâ€s or Iceburgâ€s feeling, even though this trial should affect them as much as Franky. This situation seems similar to Nojiko telling Namiâ€s story with Namiâ€s emotions while her own feeling (about being poor, loosing her mother and sister, getting a tattoo to cheer her sister up) are never talked about.

Another important point in the emotional flashback (or stories) of main characters is the mistakes they made and their feelings of guilt about them (Luffy, Sanji, Chopper). Frankyâ€s flashback seems to fit this type of flashbacks.

Greg

These flashbacks haven't really done anything for him as far as I'm concerned, and they seem to be giving much more development to Tom and Iceburg. Even Kohza's flashback appearances had more development than Franky's have had so far.

Ummmmm, you know….maybe it's juuuust me. But you might actually want to wait to the end before saying anything like that

Zephos

Yhea seriously.

Wiper adores the great warrior Calgara. Big Whoop.

And then you get to Vol.31….

This situation seems similar to Nojiko telling Namiâ€s story with Namiâ€s emotions while her own feeling (about being poor, loosing her mother and sister, getting a tattoo to cheer her sister up) are never talked about.

nojikos kind of a tomboy and nami is a girl so have u ever heard that women share there feelings more than men.

Sakurai

I don't think Nojiko is particularly tomboyish, definitely not more so than Nami is. Anyway, I think what was meant was that it was strange that the story was essentially told from Nami's point of view, even though Nojiko was telling it, because of course Nojiko telling the others was really more about Oda telling the audience.

StrawHatLuffy

Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Feb 14 2005, 11:46 PM
**> These flashbacks haven't really done anything for him as far as I'm concerned, and they seem to be giving much more development to Tom and Iceburg. Even Kohza's flashback appearances had more development than Franky's have had so far.

Ummmmm, you know….maybe it's juuuust me. But you might actually want to wait to the end before saying anything like that
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I agree. We can already start seeing some links with the current situation already. And perhaps we will get the Robin flashback we had waited for so long.

Yoska

I believe there's a good chance for a miniature Robin flashback after the things are settled down. While building the new ship there will be plenty of time for Iceberg to tell all he knows about Robin and her background. But I doubt he only knows what Tom has told him and the true story of what has actually happened in her past will still stay as a mystery.

Knight

Robin's flashback…...that is something I want to see :D
But I don't think we'll be seeing it anytime soon. Usually a fllashback of the crew signals the climax or near climax of the story. And so far, we've nowhere near the climax.

Is it just me or is every flashback ever displayed in One Piece is always dramatic, sad or touching? :P

RedShanks

I also would like to see Robin's story but I think Iceburg does not know the true story - otherwise he would not have wanted to kill her.

Knight

Originally posted by RedShanks@Feb 15 2005, 09:57 AM
I also would like to see Robin's story but I think Iceburg does not know the true story - otherwise he would not have wanted to kill her.
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Good point RedShanks. But I think that the reason Ice wants to kill her is not because of her past but rather because of her ability to read ancient language. It may be because of her past that Ice wants to kill her. He fears that Ancient Weapons might be revived (though we know that Robin is not interested in them)

Greg

I don't think Nojiko is particularly tomboyish, definitely not more so than Nami is.

You read Japanese right? Haven't you ever heard the way she talks?

Robin's story has never been closer. If we don't get it before the next crew member joins, if it ends up being Franky then we're getting it for certain.

Sakurai

Yeah, you're right. I was thinking more of actions, and I forgot about talking style.

Zephos

I'll say this, theres no way Robin will be with the crew after this arc.

GunMetalReloaded

Originally posted by Zephos@Feb 15 2005, 03:44 PM
I'll say this, theres no way Robin will be with the crew after this arc.
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I gotta disagree. But it depends on what you mean here. If you mean, "Robin takes off after this arc but comes back later and rejoins the crew", then yes, that is definitely a possibility.

But as for she is never coming back, I disagree with that. There's alot of questions up in there right now. Yes, she does look bad at the moment. Yes, she was cold to the Straw Hats and framed them for attempted murder. But there is still a good deal we do not know about this whole situation. Most of this though will be cleared up eventually.

Oda has left us little clues that she is not entirely bad. We know she warned Sanji and Chopper which was an obvious one. But one subtle thing that has been overlooked is, Robin never shot Iceberg. In the first incident, she was simply in the room with Blueno when he shot Iceberg. She never pulled the trigger. And in the second incident during her "Mexican stand-off" with Ice, she seemed somewhat alarmed by Iceberg's talk on the Weapons. The fact that she has never attacked Iceberg means that Franky or Paulie, two people very much connected to Ice, could work alongside her as a Nakama. I think that is VERY important to keep in mind.

And finally, One Piece is becoming more and more about these 'Weapons' which are connected to an ancient language. Only her and Gol Roger have been able to read this language. This makes Robin a character for the long-haul and ties her fate to Luffy's. Luffy's fate is to follow in the footsteps of Roger. He is going to need Robin (and the strength of his other crew members) to do it.

I agree that Robin probably isn't going to leave for good, for all the reasons stated by GunMetal: Reloaded.

…But I must say, if Franky's flashback turns into something as friggin' heartwrenching as vol. 31, One Piece will succeed in being the only series that can make me laugh, cry and break my head all at the same time.

Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Feb 14 2005, 10:46 AM
**> These flashbacks haven't really done anything for him as far as I'm concerned, and they seem to be giving much more development to Tom and Iceburg. Even Kohza's flashback appearances had more development than Franky's have had so far.

Ummmmm, you know….maybe it's juuuust me. But you might actually want to wait to the end before saying anything like that
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Hence, my use of the words "so far". To this point, I haven't found any reason to care for Franky, but that could very well change. I was just pointing out that Tom and Iceburg had been more interesting and I have more reason to care for them so far.

I won't make any judgments on what will happen next in these flashbacks, I just don't think that Franky has be3en particularily intereting to this point.

Zephos

So…..
Did you really have to make a topic about it?

Cap'n Carter

He didn't make the topic. RedShanks used a quote of his from another thread, hence the "QUOTE(Brave Warrior @ Captain Usopp in ch.355)"

I think flashbacks accomplish both. I just hope that Robin's past isn't right after Franky's or something, two huge flashbacks in a row would be a little annoying.

I really like Franky, even before the flashback I did, and the flashback helps to show why he adores Tom so much, and why he and Iceburg are very untrusting of the government. Plus it shows how freakin' awesome Tom is, not to mention it might've had another effect on Franky we don't know about yet.

I was gonna say something else, but I forget.

RedShanks

I doubt that we get Robin's flashback soon if this arc is supposed to be 60-70 chapters on its own and about 100 chapters in the "shipwright arc" (including Davy Back Fight). Even though I am really fascinated by Franky's (Tom's etc) story, I would like to get at least a little information about Robin.

Originally posted by Zephos@Feb 23 2005, 12:10 PM
So…..
Did you really have to make a topic about it?
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Did you really have to make this post?