We all think that he is going to fight Zoro.
We also know that he is a zombie so he can't "die" by natural means.
So if Zoro is to fight him, he must be really much stronger in order to survive enough time for the rest of the crew to find a solution (probably = beat Moria). So my guess is that Zoro overpowers Ryuma 
Brilliant deduction. Surely you are a licensed detective?
Since when did everyone agree Ryuuma was fighting Zoro? I don't think they'll fight at all. I'm not even sure they'll meet one another this arc.
Ryuuma is totally that strong.
I hope Ryuuma will fight Zoro, but it will be the shadowless Zoro. But Zoro could also fight his shadow Jigorou…
I don't think Ryuma is that strong; he's strong enough to give Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji a fight, but I think once they put on their game faces they could take him.
However, I must admit we don't know much about him and he could surprise me with newfound strength…
I'm still wondering if Brook would be able to take him off !?
When he left the strawhats, he told them that the ennemy was too strong, he was probably speeking about Moria, but he also seemed confident that he could retrieve his shadow…
Maybe shadows are like cute educated pets, when they find their first owner back, they automatiquely go back to him 
From what I can remember, he was called the swordsman king in wanted. You'd normally expect someone with a name like that to be able to put up a good fight.
even if you dont think hes the char found in the short story by oda hogback mentiones he's "ledgendary flesh of a dragonslayer"
he could surprise me with newfound strength…
But what are the odds of that?? I mean, surely Oda would introduce a new char and show him doing his best move. And then every time after that, we'll only see weaker moves, right??
yes he will be strong,what kind of question is that.but i think he will fight brook.and zoro will fight jigorou
I don't see how there's any doubt. This guy is strong and will in all likeliness fight Zoro–as he's the strongest swordsman we've seen on the island. That display against team Usopp should have been enough. Of course, I don't know what the relation to Brooke will be, after the shadow thing gets cleared.
Meanwhile, doesn't that jigorou seem a little weak to be a serious opponent? He'll mostly likely be OHKO'd should Zoro ever meet him.
I'm secretly (or not so much now) hoping that the SH's shadow counterparts will fight along side them at some point. I'm actualy having a hard time believing that any of the opponents will be particularly difficult to defeat right now. The only thing that the zombies seem to have going for them is that they can just keep getting back up. Other than that, they seem somewhat weak.
Is it me, or is it I want Zoro to break his 3rd Generation Kitetsu in the fight between him vs Ryuma?
Reason I say this is because once Zoro defeats Ryuma, Zoro attains Ryuma's sword (Im hoping its one of the Saijo O Wazamono) and this leaves room for Zoro to attain the Shodai (1st Gen) Kitetsu.
Anyway…..
Yes I believe Ryuma is that strong. If he's considered a legend that most people know of for killing a dragon, then one can assume he is strong. (Although we don't know how powerful the dragon was....but I still say he's pretty strong) I can see Ryuma bust fire and lightning sword techs. I hope he makes Zoro transcend himself higher again (Like the fight with Mr.1) where he finally learns to cut elements, or at least create one or more elemental moves. (I have a hunch Zoro will bust some tight ass fire move that will blast him)
***Prediction for Ryuma's Sword name --> "Dragon Slayer"
Imagine that if Zoro had the Dragon Slayer and Shodai Kitetsu along with his *Wado Ichimonji. He would have 3 of the best swords in the world next to Mihawk. (Can't be the best without owning the best...right? LOL)
Zoro should have just learned Rankyaku so he wouldn't have to depend on swords.
ryumaa is sertainly skilled, but we have to wait to see how strong he is
@Impel:
Zoro should have just learned Rankyaku so he wouldn't have to depend on swords.
Please stop reading this manga.
No. How about that?
16 in yo' face and yo' momma's face!
Refil just take IDs post with a pinch of salt and some humor. he can be really funny if you dont take him all too seriously unless he acctually makes a good point.
Please stop reading this manga.
weren't things so much better before Impel Down showed up on these forums?:getlost:
I joined before you, "avatar looks like a guy with a penis in his head"
@Impel:
I joined before you, "avatar looks like a guy with a penis in his head"
too bad I've been using this forum since 04, and sorry the laughing man owns your pregant fetish anyday of the week.
Oh, wow, USING. That makes you better.
Anyway, so, if Ryuuma is so powerful, is his strength in any way related to Brook's? Like is it hindered/increased because of his shadow?
ID keeps things fuh-resh(fresh). ID also has the uncanny ability to have something to say about everything.
I think Ryuuma is powerful because he kinda has to be, otherwise what would be the point of fighting?
That's the least disagreeable comment I have ever heard.
Hm, perhaps Brooke's shadow is that legendary swordsman, probably not though.
Is it me, or is it I want Zoro to break his 3rd Generation Kitetsu in the fight between him vs Ryuma?
Reason I say this is because once Zoro defeats Ryuma, Zoro attains Ryuma's sword (Im hoping its one of the Saijo O Wazamono) and this leaves room for Zoro to attain the Shodai (1st Gen) Kitetsu.
Hey, here's a crazy idea, what if Zoro breaks both (his and his opponents) swords in this fight?
I was just thinking, maybe they'll meet Smoker and co soon after this arc, which means Tagashi would be there. Having only the sword that Kuina used to own could be useful to the storyline somehow. Ryuma could be this strong to justify Zoro losing his latest cursed sword. Or not, just speculating there, since it would also suck to lose that cool sword.
However, how can we doubt that Ryuma is strong after seeing how he KOed Usopp and co? You better not be discriminating against them cause they're the "weak ones," cause no one in One Piece has done something like that before. They didn't even see the attack…
Either way, I'm pretty sure this guy is a stronger swordsman then Kaku. The fact that Oda is also using a "legandary swordsman" from one of his old mangas is another good hint.
Hey, here's a crazy idea, what if Zoro breaks both (his and his opponents) swords in this fight?
I was just thinking, maybe they'll meet Smoker and co soon after this arc, which means Tagashi would be there. Having only the sword that Kuina used to own could be useful to the storyline somehow. Ryuma could be this strong to justify Zoro losing his latest cursed sword. Or not, just speculating there, since it would also suck to lose that cool sword.
Thats why by losing his 3rd Gen Kitetsu, it can free up for a much better sword. It would be cool if he broke Ryuma's sword, but IMO, I hope he gains his sword, and Im hoping its one of the 12 Saijo O Wazamono. I mean, Ryuma was stated to be centuries old by Hogback, and it be sick if Zoro got a legendary sword from a legendary swordman.
If Ryuma decides to give Zoro his sword, it could be a way of passing the torch from the legend from long ago, to a legend that will pave the future. (Sounds corny, but sweet)
I'd rather see Tashigi's face when she sees Zoro again, she sees that new sword Zoro attained:
Tashigi: "Zoro! I challenge you….....wait a minute! That sword!" Flips through the little sword book guide and manual
Falls back in shock
"No way......that sword......the oldest of the Saijo O Wazamono, owned by the Legendary Dragon killer Ryuma.......worth 500 million Beli."
Zoro: "Correction...was owned, now its mine" 
Either way, I'm pretty sure this guy is a stronger swordsman then Kaku.
Well of course! Ryuma will be pimp. He'll make Kaku his Bitch
@Impel:
Zoro should have just learned Rankyaku so he wouldn't have to depend on swords.
imagine if sanji would ever pull one off… he would just slice the world in 2 with the strengh of his legs :fear:
Guys,
Aside of shadow theory.. I've a question..
Whom stronger between:
[Dragon Slayer] Ryuma and [7000 Pirate Slayer] Jigorou..
Both sharing ZG and "Legendary" status..
.. Into The Wilderness of Advance Wind ..
Guys,
Aside of shadow theory.. I've a question..
Whom stronger between:[Dragon Slayer] Ryuma and [7000 Pirate Slayer] Jigorou..
Both sharing "Legendary" status..
Ryuma because he's cooler looking. In manga that's a symbol of power.
Of…for seriously, Ryuma because Jigorou's last attack seemed kind of like a joke. I know it was Zoro's move but it also didn't hurt anyway. Then Jigorou made a joke about scars afterwards.
I dunno, I don't think that anyway that the SHs fought in that mob of zombies would be good one on one fights. If they were, they the Shs should have been beaten quicker without being able to escape.
Guys,
Aside of shadow theory.. I've a question..
Whom stronger between:[Dragon Slayer] Ryuma and [7000 Pirate Slayer] Jigorou..
Both sharing "Legendary" status..
I say Ryuma is stronger than Jigorou.
What if Zoro can now cut spirit or shadow? It's possible the "can't kill the zombies" will be a red herring if he can disable them in another way.
Yes, Ryuuma owned Nami, Chopper and Usopp… but does it mean anything ? They are so weak !
What makes me wonder about Ryuuma real strength is that he already has the advantage of being a zombie, so he can't be defeated, he will always stand up, whatever Zoro can do. If he is really as strong as we feel now, Zoro doesn't stand a chance !
Unless Ryuuma is a man of principle and honour, and accepts Zoro's superiority in fight, even if he can't die of it... Kind of "Ok, you're stronger, take my sword"... 
so he can't be defeated, he will always stand up
No, a zombie can die in a sword battle. Cut his head in two and you'll see.
But he uses a technique very powerful (in Kill Bill, this is the best death technique in the world), that would be a terrible battle. I think he is extremely strong, but he's not invincible. I'd like to see Zoro using Asura to fight him…
Yes, Ryuuma owned Nami, Chopper and Usopp… but does it mean anything ? They are so weak !
Aw, no you didn't.
What makes it "mean anything" is the extend of the ownage. No one has every done an act like that before for the SHs.
–Usopp always sees it coming, more or less. He just couldn't react in time.
--Chopper was owned by Ohm because he attacked through the wall. It's the equilivalent of a sniper snot. (not to mention he's in his weakest form each time this happens)
--Nami is tyically just overpowered.
However, Ryuma dashed behind them, hit them with his sword, and KOed all three of them at the exact same time before they could even realize it. No swordsman has shown us that level of skill before.
That and, Ryuma's killed a dragon. Anyway have the pic of Ryuma cutting a dragon's head off?
No, a zombie can die in a sword battle. Cut his head in two and you'll see.
But he uses a technique very powerful (in Kill Bill, this is the best death technique in the world), that would be a terrible battle. I think he is extremely strong, but he's not invincible. I'd like to see Zoro using Asura to fight him…
At the beginning of this arc, Chopper punches one zombie and his head flights in the hands of another one… Then they play together (two zombies) with his head...
Seems the only way is to burn em to death or at least thats one logical way of seeing it. Usopp and Franky have the idea, except the zombies Franky fought doused themselves in water. Im guessing if there is a strong enough fire that will engulf the zombie, then Im sure they die
So in terms of Ryuma, Im hoping Zoro finds a way to whip up a fire tech. A cool one at that. He whipped up a way to slice steel when fighting Mr.1, and Im sure he'll find a way to burn his advesary.
Sanji Im sure will really utilize his Diable Jambe more and Im expecting some sort of Rankyaku from it. His version should be that the blade passes through the oppenent, and after passing through, the enemy bursts into flames.
I actually don't know what to expect actually because after what I saw with Robin and her…..well Im not gonna spoil it here.....for those who know, yea you know what Im talking about.
At the beginning of this arc, Chopper punches one zombie and his head flights in the hands of another one… Then they play together (two zombies) with his head...
think he meant that if you dice the head into tiny cubes the brain will have problems functioning because its no longer connected to itself.
(we could assume that the zombie that lost his head was made up of 2 guys and had a secondary brain thats why his body could still move =P but its a stretch)
however if you slice a zombie into small enough pieces its going to be a pain in the bottom to put back together. so no incombat medical treatment for that zombie. he'll have to go back to hogbacks lab to be reassembled.
However, Ryuma dashed behind them, hit them with his sword, and KOed all three of them at the exact same time before they could even realize it. No swordsman has shown us that level of skill before.
That and, Ryuma's killed a dragon. Anyway have the pic of Ryuma cutting a dragon's head off?
As you guys said, Ryuma,
He's a legend, and normally has dead.. And maybe not Hawkeye level yet..
Can you guys imagine.. How high and superior [The Strongest Swordsman] Juraquille Mihawk and any high tier people be??:shocked:
How long will Zoro take to reach him??
I'm feel tiny and stunted..:blink:
As you guys said, Ryuma,
He's a legend, and normally has dead.. And maybe not Hawkeye level yet..
Can you guys imagine.. How high and superior [The Strongest Swordsman] Juraquille Mihawk and any high tier people be??:shocked:
How long will Zoro take to reach him??
I'm feel tiny and stunted..:blink:
Zoro is slowly getting there, and each advasary he faces he gets a ton stronger. Last arc he took out the best Swordman from CP9, and CP9 is the top government assassins.
Zoro will raise his level after beating Ryuma, but we don't know if even defeating Ryuma even closes the gap on Mihawk. Mihawk could still be lightyears ahead. There are still many pirates/government/marine admirals that are still yet to be seen and fought. Zoro will definetly get there, it will just take some time.
The one fight I really hope happens is:
Zoro vs Shanks
Even though Shanks is a Captain and usually the trend is Captains vs Captains, I really want Zoro to go up against a man who used to spar with Mihawk every so often. Having Zoro go up against Shanks is kinda a Pre-lim match to test if Zoro is really ready to go up against Mihawk. (Should be a friendly match though)
Zoro is slowly getting there, and each advasary he faces he gets a ton stronger. Last arc he took out the best Swordman from CP9, and CP9 is the top government assassins.
Zoro will raise his level after beating Ryuma, but we don't know if even defeating Ryuma even closes the gap on Mihawk. Mihawk could still be lightyears ahead. There are still many pirates/government/marine admirals that are still yet to be seen and fought. Zoro will definetly get there, it will just take some time.
The one fight I really hope happens is:
Zoro vs Shanks
Even though Shanks is a Captain and usually the trend is Captains vs Captains, I really want Zoro to go up against a man who used to spar with Mihawk every so often. Having Zoro go up against Shanks is kinda a Pre-lim match to test if Zoro is really ready to go up against Mihawk. (Should be a friendly match though)
like shohoku vs the all stars before they were leaving for the nationals!!
anyway after this chapter the generals seem super strong,absalom and ryuma are super crazy but i have to admit ryuma's sword is the only thing that matters for me in this arc
anyway after this chapter the generals seem super strong,absalom and ryuma are super crazy but i have to admit ryuma's sword is the only thing that matters for me in this arc
Really? After how Brooke came flying in? LOL
Anyway….
One of the things I am interested in is of course Ryuma's sword. It could have a Devil Fruit (Which I hope doesn't happen) It could be a really old O Saijo Wazamono. It could have some other power, however, what Im more excited about the development Zoro gains when dealing with Ryuma.
He still needs to develop an elemental move like Sanji has (Although it is sorta bootleg PUN intended) or develop a way to cut elements. Or who knows he may not learn anything this time around except gain more experience under his belt. I don't think that is the case because in almost every major fight he has shown us something new.
(LOL, if Oda wants great ideas for Zoro's next moves if he doesn't have any, he should turn to Samurai Showdown IV or Last Blade 2. These games have some great moves Zoro could use)
Maybe it'll just be a pure sword fight. Kinda like the equivalent to the brawl Luffy had with Lucci. It would sort of prove that Zoro is ready for the New World since Ryuma is said to have come from there.
Maybe it'll just be a pure sword fight. Kinda like the equivalent to the brawl Luffy had with Lucci. It would sort of prove that Zoro is ready for the New World since Ryuma is said to have come from there.
With Luffy and Lucci, Luffy showed us his Gear 3 in full effect. So far in this Arc we haven't seen Luffy in a serious fight to find out if he learned something new from the last fight or tweaked/combined his gears making them more useful. (Im actually hoping Luffy uses a combination of Gears within his fighting style so he doesn't have to fully transform into Gear 2 or 3 and face the consequences.)
IMO, I think Zoro is already ready for the New World after defeating Kaku. Although having him defeat Ryuma will make him much more prepared!
Well, I meant Luffy vs. Lucci wasn't as much of a gimmick fight in comparison to others. Lucci was his equal in terms of combat and that's what made it exciting. Kaku vs. Zoro wasn't even really a sword fight except for the very beginning and the very end. Zoro is probably capable of going into the New World, but this makes it more clear as Ryuma is orginally a swordsman from the New World.
I actually think Jigorouh of the wind will fight Zoro and Brook will fight Ryuuma. And if Zorro does fight Ryuuma for some reason :wassat: then he would lose, ffs Ryuuma decapitated a dragon and used to have the world's best swordsman title, theres no way Zorro could win at his current level in swordsmanship. He would lose, and then his promise that he would never lose to anyone ever again after he fought Mihawk would be broken. Then get ready for a gunked up story. :getlost:
Ryuuma was never the world's greatest swordsman.
ffs Ryuuma decapitated a dragon and used to have the world's best swordsman title
**> Ryuuma was the the world's greatest swordsman.How do you know that?? When it stated??
Kill a Dragon didn't make him world strongest.. He's skilled Master Swordsman, yes.**
Gerikhabarovsk: at the end when it is revealed that Ryuuma is the very "king" he is hopeing to meet.
we cant be absolutely sure that he is as strong as he once was though. atleast one zombie is weaker then the original already.
