Aokiji's power

fixius

look at this:
http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter319.txt

it's the script of chapter 319,it's the only statement we have on aokiji's stenght and robin talks about him but notice something,usopp is the one saying aokiji is the strongest of the marines

usopp didn't know who aokiji was a minute ago and then he sais he's the strongest of the marines,that is a general comment that was pointing to the admiral rank he posseses and it is quite easy to figure out

so aokiji isn't the strongest marine as everyone thinks,not that he can't be but that he isn't stated

mujushin

404 wrong

16 crapy bitches

BlackGalleon1

Didn't the Gorosei mention that he was the strongest soldier at Marine HQ???

fixius

@BlackGalleon1:

Didn't the Gorosei mention that he was the strongest soldier at Marine HQ???

hmmm,do you know the chapter?

@mujushin:

404 wrong

16 crapy bitches

why is that?

mujushin

Cuz that says that when I click the link.

Yeha,I thought Aokji was the strongest also.

fixius

http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter319.txt

done

Impel Down

He's been refered to as the strongest man in the Marines. And even if we didn't have that to reference to, he IS quite powerful. Just watch the fight, for crying out loud!

BlackGalleon1

@fixius:

hmmm,do you know the chapter?

Come to think about, I don't actually remember the chapter, just a vaguely remembered that event. I will look for it though.

Or maybe it was from the anime….

And even if we didn't have that to reference to, he IS quite powerful. Just watch the fight, for crying out loud!

That would be a stupid way to judge whether or not he is the strongest Admiral, seeing as we have seen nearly nothing of Akainu and absolutely nothing of Kizaru.

Impel Down

I don't mean as a way to judge that he is the strongest, just a way to prove that he is very fuckin' strong.

Monkey.D.Johnny

That would be a stupid way to judge whether or not he is the strongest Admiral, seeing as we have seen nearly nothing of Akainu and absolutely nothing of Kizaru.

True. They can be what.. Smartest Man in the Marine? Fastest Man in the Marine? Most Powerful Man in the Marine? Haha..

Impel Down

Well, there's already a fastest man in the world (Lucky Roux), and Ben Beckham is the smartest man in the East.

BlackGalleon1

@ Fixius: Volume 32, Chapter 303

From stephen's scripts:

[hide] - Page 165 -

[Grand Line, Marine Headquarters]

Officers: …Vice Admiral!! He... he's not here!!
I'm not settling for that!!
Where the hell did he go?!
His bicycle is gone, so... probably to sea.
Tell the Gorousei at once!!!

Gorousei: ...him again?
Well, it's probably only reconnaissance.
Honestly, what does he consider his own position to be...?
He can't just act on the spot like that.
The Marine Headquarters' Strongest,
"Admiral" Aokiji...

Aokiji: Oops, sorry there.
...sigh...
There hasn't been a worthwhile one among 'em.[/hide]

mujushin

How do you know that them are that? :p

fixius

@Impel:

I don't mean as a way to judge that he is the strongest, just a way to prove that he is very fuckin' strong.

who said he wasn't??

@BlackGalleon1:

@ Fixius: Volume 32, Chapter 303

From stephen's scripts:

[hide] - Page 165 -

[Grand Line, Marine Headquarters]

Officers: …Vice Admiral!! He... he's not here!!
I'm not settling for that!!
Where the hell did he go?!
His bicycle is gone, so... probably to sea.
Tell the Gorousei at once!!!

Gorousei: ...him again?
Well, it's probably only reconnaissance.
Honestly, what does he consider his own position to be...?
He can't just act on the spot like that.
The Marine Headquarters' Strongest,
"Admiral" Aokiji...

Aokiji: Oops, sorry there.
...sigh...
There hasn't been a worthwhile one among 'em.[/hide]

thank you blackgalleon!!!! so indeed he is the strongest admiral but he isn't stated as the strongest marine,i kinda remembered this but everyone was pointing he was the strongest marine so i wanted to clear it out

again thanks blackgalleon for the time you took to find this

mujushin

The strongest admiral is the strongest marine, if you have the title the strongest admiral, you sure as hell are stronger than others, (except for smkoker, who is kinda annoying for the superior commanders)

BlackGalleon1

It does say he is Marine HQ's strongest, and seeing as the strongest of the marines (so far) are from Marine HQ, then it is safe to say that he IS the strongest marine.

SabZ

The Marine Headquarters' strongest, "Admiral" Aokiji.

Monkey.D.Johnny

Well, there's already a fastest man in the world (Lucky Roux), and Ben Beckham is the smartest man in the East.

Lol.. I said in the Marine..

fixius

@$abZ:

The Marine Headquarters' strongest, "Admiral" Aokiji.

i see,i missed the (,)

hmmmm,so he indeed is stated the strongest

Archtyrant

So that'd mean he's stronger than Sengoku then.

Impel Down

Sengoku is just a stratagist/politician.

AD-HD Pirate

Sengoku is just a stratagist/politician.

Yeah, and that's why he is respected by Whitebeard.
Cuz' he is a strategist/politican…

No.

VL7

@AD-HD:

Yeah, and that's why he is respected by Whitebeard.
Cuz' he is a strategist/politican…

No.

I agree, I doubt a weak guy would have much of a chance in the rough pirate world no matter how smart he is. Sengoku probablly knows how to kick some butts.

fixius

@VL7:

I agree, I doubt a weak guy would have much of a chance in the rough pirate world no matter how smart he is. Sengoku probablly knows how to kick some butts.

i agree though i i'd like sengoku to be stronger but it doesn't matter since oda said he was strongest

BlackGalleon1

@AD-HD:

Yeah, and that's why he is respected by Whitebeard.
Cuz' he is a strategist/politican…

No.

Well the reason why I think Sengoku is respected by WB is because he one of the older generation who was around during the time of Roger, as well as being strong and a good politician/strategist. However I still think that AoKiji is stronger Sengoku. Sengoku might be mostrously strong, as strong or stronger than Garp (who we know is no weakling), but remember, not only is AoKiji a fully trained marine officer, but also has a powerful logia type fruit (and we all know that a logia fruit on it's own puts you in a whole on a whole different league). It's this combination that (if we take the this info at face value) makes Aokiji stonger than Garp (another person that WB mentions and respects), and possibly stonger than Sengoku.

Edit: Oh and the final bit, Sengoku is old so his skills and strength should have diminished.

Impel Down

You can still respect a genius, even if they are weak.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

we dont see this chara fight…dont think hes stronger..(he dont look like a strong fighter) but he must be sure a monster cause he became surly not above a admiral if he hasn`t any skill:happy:

Impel Down

VA Tsuru is above strong folk like Smoker, because she's a brilliant stratagist.

BlackGalleon1

^^ We actually know nothing about Tsuru to say that she is a strategist and not a fighter. For all we no she has the the ohko ohko fruit (jk), or some other bad ass ability. Oh she could just be some super Kuro….

DrunkenPanda

Well i always wanted to believe that Sengoku and the Gorosei are very powerful. I mean just cuz they are old and look weak dont mean they still cant be powerhouses. Aokiji is powerful because he has a logia, which pretty much makes him invinceble even he wasnt as strong as Garp. We also havent really seen the other admirals in action so we can never really be sure.

And Impel Down your sig is awesome, i was waiting for someone to do that.

cp9luchi

Sengoku has to be strong, he was an admiral, who are the 3 most powerfull fighters in the marines

Hitotsumami

I really don't like the fact he is probably stronger than Sengoku. If he is, he should be in Sengoku's place, not Admiral. Maybe he's not cause he's too lazy to get that position.

dlo62282

Maybe Sengoku is not stationed in the marine headquarters.

Anyone, nick name "Da Buddha" is obviously "god" like strong.

Archtyrant

I wonder when we will actually be able to see his fighting prowess? My guess is probably in about 2 years' time.

BlackGalleon1

@dlo62282:

Maybe Sengoku is not stationed in the marine headquarters.

Anyone, nick name "Da Buddha" is obviously "god" like strong.

Wasn't Buddha a wise pacifist? Anyway, why would someone titled the Supreme Admiral be stationed on Marine Base C or something like that instead of Marine HQ?

fixius

@BlackGalleon1:

Wasn't Buddha a wise pacifist? Anyway, why would someone titled the Supreme Admiral be stationed on Marine Base C or something like that instead of Marine HQ?

on the other side sengoku is in mariejoa not in MHQ so maybe indeed aokiji is the strongest in MHQ but sengoku isn't considered a part of it

BlackGalleon1

From stephens scripts, ch 234

Page 150 -

[Marine Headquarters Chief Admiral (Gensui)]
[(High Commander of the Marine Forces)]
[Sengoku the Buddha]

Impel Down

Served yet again, fixius.

fixius

@Impel:

Served yet again, fixius.

ok,spammer!! i got it!!!
@BlackGalleon1:

From stephens scripts, ch 234

i know most propably aokiji is stronger than sengoku but it could be that sengoku though he belongs in the MHQ,he may not be considered as one,his places is at mariejoa,not in the MHQ (i am talking about MHQ as a place,not as a force)

most propably i am wrong but i wouldn't like luffy to face aokiji,BB and WB, there are other SH too in that crew,if in the end luffy faces WB,zoro faces mihawk,wouldn't sanji be worthy of the most powerfull marine? anyway again most propably i am wrong

Impel Down

lol, maybe Sengoku's goat ate a DF.

sadrhg

Who says Luffy's fighting Whitebeard?

Hell who says the Strawhats are going to encounter all of the Marines/Yonku/Shichibukai?

Kma

@BlackGalleon1:

Wasn't Buddha a wise pacifist? Anyway, why would someone titled the Supreme Admiral be stationed on Marine Base C or something like that instead of Marine HQ?

although Buddha was a pacifist, his current portrayal (fat) is a big misinterpretation.

Buddha was actual extremely fit, incredibly strong and one of the best martial artists. In fact I think he was the one that developed Shao lin martial arts.

Also I think the reason why Aoi Koji is probaly going to be stronger is because SenGoku belongs to the previous generation, along with WB, Roger, Garp, etc

Even though they were the best of their time, this is the GOLDEN AGE OF PIRACY, where the New Generation will SURPASS the old generation.

However although WB and others havent been surpassed yet, they will be and Aoi Koji is an exception, he already has.

Impel Down

The New Age goes beyond pirates and dreams. It's an Age where the ruthlessness of Pirates reigns supreme, not the adventure.

Kma

@Impel:

The New Age goes beyond pirates and dreams. It's an Age where the ruthlessness of Pirates reigns supreme, not the adventure.

Yes and because of that, its a more dangerous place, and in order to survive in a more ruthless place, you need to become stronger. (its like evolution, you have to adapt to the environment, or natural selection, the more fit you are the better chance you have of surviving)

Impel Down

No, it's just where pirates without dreams or morales, like Bellamy and Doflmaingo, rule.

Ao Kiji

^Nope. There are more pirates around in general making things alot tougher than they were in the old days. I mean who says even Gol D. Roger was a capable fighter? Being able to pwn everyone doesn't mean they'll be useless in the greater scheme of One Piece.

And I think we have successfully discovered/agreed upon me being the ABSOLUTE strongest Marine/Or is it Navy officer. This thread should be closed, because some people just don't want to accept this as a fact that Oda-sensei himself has already stated.

Impel Down

Well,….yeah. I guess you're right.

sadrhg

I would just like to state that the argument that Sengoku is stronger than Aokiji because he has a higher rank is stupid because by that logic Nezumi and Morgan are equal to Smoker because they both were the same rank.