Will chopper perfome "life return" to control his zoan's DF ability in future?

whaleblue

since luffy hav his gear and soru that learn from cp9
zoro and sanji also have their new technic.

ofcoz chopper using monster point to own Kumadori.

but monster point is not a better way to fight enemy, coz chopper energy/life will worn out. somemore he will attack his own nakama.

rumble ball only can active 4 more point in 3 minute, it is very difficult to deal with strong enemy.

lucci and Kumadori both can perfome "life return" especially lucci not a "sen yin" like kumadori can also perfome "life return". will chopper has a chances to learn this technic in future? what about the percentage of he to learn this technic?

i personally think that chopper will be very strong if he learn this ability. imagine Kumadori can control his hair by will, chopper will protentially control his zoan form ability by his will too. if there is no way chopper will learn this technic. then what will his future enhancement to face the strong in the new world? monter point that without side effect? how? new fomula rumble ball?

hey mod if this thread has been discuss before please help me to delete it. thanks :)

hope u guys know what i try to share, i m not good in english. :p

Impel Down

Um, no. The BAMFest part of Monsta Chopper is that he rampages. And Life Return doesn't mean you can take drugs and have nothing happen. If Kumadori did heroin, he would still sniff and eat M&Ms.

Kma

whaleblue I like your idea.

Luffy manipulated Soru from the CP9 so its possible that Chopper will take ideas from his enemies too. Thing is though Luffy is usually more creative with his attacks.
Sanji got Diable Jambe from Wanze most likely.
A few of the Strawhat attacks are actually inspired by others eg) Warrior Nation and 300 pound cannon for example.

So ya I think your idea is very possible and a good one.

BTW welcome to the forum, dont mind Impel Down, hes always like that lol. The forum wouldnt be the same without him.

Impel Down

Luffy bases most of his attacks off of shit he sees, like GGN Baku and GGN Pinwheel.

whaleblue

@Impel:

Um, no. The BAMFest part of Monsta Chopper is that he rampages. And Life Return doesn't mean you can take drugs and have nothing happen. If Kumadori did heroin, he would still sniff and eat M&Ms.

Hi Impel down, what i mean is if chopper using "life return" he wont need to eat M&Ms anymore.

and there will be no monster point anymore …....may be, may be not :P
(i would like to see chopper in monstor point again consciousness)

like some member here say that luffy will enhance his gear2 without side effect.

lucci can tranform using "life return" without having to take drugs,
if chopper need to face the enemy stronger then cp9 in future, he should upgrade his ability at lease close to cp9.

without monstor point chopper wont be able to own Kumadori.

i doubt that got any drugs can suddenly upgrade level without side effect.

**ust want to know more beside "life return" mostor chopper, rumble ball, how will chopper over come the difficulty to getting stronger

if got people dont understand what i trying to say

TRANSLATION will be very appreciate.

whaleblue

@Kma:

whaleblue I like your idea.

Luffy manipulated Soru from the CP9 so its possible that Chopper will take ideas from his enemies too. Thing is though Luffy is usually more creative with his attacks.
Sanji got Diable Jambe from Wanze most likely.
A few of the Strawhat attacks are actually inspired by others eg) Warrior Nation and 300 pound cannon for example.

So ya I think your idea is very possible and a good one.

BTW welcome to the forum, dont mind Impel Down, hes always like that lol. The forum wouldnt be the same without him.

Thanks Kma,

Impel down may be right. it may not happen in large percentage.

but why not brain storming? it was fun.:happy: guessing and assume is the greastest fun in forum.

i think "life return" is what oda hint that zoan DF user can be a bad ass.

zoan Df user have more raw physical power then other type of DF user.

the power depend on tranfomation, if the zoan Df user can control his point, he will be very powerful.
(kaku can control his neck, and leg. and also can use shigan of nose version)

this is kaku version of nose point or neck point, arent this is the hints for new world strong zoan DF user ability?

If not zoan DF user cant be survive in the new world.

Ivotas

I actually like that idea. Chopper seemed to be pretty amazed by the life return skill. And since he´s a doctor it not wrong to assume that he at least would like to understand it, if only for scientific interest. And if he finds that he could learn it himself thats even better.

And the argument that Monster Point is about him rampaging that it literally means shit. The moment this form got introduced a new big task got introduced for Chopper to handle during the story. It won´t happen quick, but overcoming or handling Monster Point is surely one of the things we can expect Chopper to be able to do before One Piece is over. If Banner could learn to control the Hulk then I don´t see why Oda can´t make Chopper do the same. He needs some growth after all.

And for the conclusion, life return seems to be a proper way to do so in theory. I don´t see any reason why it shouldn´t work. It´s up to Oda if he will chose this way in the end.

GoustiFruit

Kumadori was not a DF user: does it mean that anyone (with training) can use Life Return in OP ?

Ivotas

I´d say yes, since DF´s have nothing to do with it. But just like Miss Goldenweeks skill, Mantra or Rokushiki it isn´t something everybody can do.

mujushin

Hmm Snaji got his devil´s lef from Zeff ofcourse, yall know "Redleg Zeff"? :D That was his name right? :p

whaleblue

@Ivotas:

I actually like that idea. Chopper seemed to be pretty amazed by the life return skill. And since he´s a doctor it not wrong to assume that he at least would like to understand it, if only for scientific interest. And if he finds that he could learn it himself thats even better.

And the argument that Monster Point is about him rampaging that it literally means shit. The moment this form got introduced a new big task got introduced for Chopper to handle during the story. It won´t happen quick, but overcoming or handling Monster Point is surely one of the things we can expect Chopper to be able to do before One Piece is over. If Banner could learn to control the Hulk then I don´t see why Oda can´t make Chopper do the same. He needs some growth after all.

And for the conclusion, life return seems to be a proper way to do so in theory. I don´t see any reason why it shouldn´t work. It´s up to Oda if he will chose this way in the end.

exactly what i try to say,
add on–
we can forecast monstor point is chopper ultimate form. he may be can control and remain consciousness when in monstor point in future.
but to utilise such a giant form it may cause chopper to worn out/ risk his life. i strongly feel that this monstor form will only use when he meet really powerful(over power) rival.
like luffy last shot activate gear 2 agains lucci.
when come to normal combat he will need to find others method to overcome the limitation of rumble ball. the one without side effect coz strong oponent wrong down in 3 minute.
may be "life return" or something similar to life return -- (like kaku neck trick). *just name any possible trick that chopper can become stronger.

Mugiwara_no_Ice

Yeah I d like to see that too. It would be a great power up for chopper.
What I find funny though is that people still thinks kumadori has lived 1000 years –-> people people people : Kumadori was just rambling some poetry.
You can't take everything said in the manga as fact, some characters do lie or are ignorant ( like when Don Krieg said Mihawk was a DF-user)

Alé keep up the good work ciao

whaleblue

@GoustiFruit:

Kumadori was not a DF user: does it mean that anyone (with training) can use Life Return in OP ?

yeah you are right!~

but zoan DF user raw strength/power + "life return"(more point/tranformation) = multiples of power

"life return" techniq hav the ability to tranform human outlook and strengthern their body part that user want.
chopper can tranform 7 point when he take rumble ball. who knows there are more potential point that zoan df user can tranform?

murray24

@mujushin:

Hmm Snaji got his devil´s lef from Zeff ofcourse, yall know "Redleg Zeff"? :D That was his name right? :p

Zeff was called red leg because of the blood he had on his leg

mujushin

@murray24:

Zeff was called red leg because of the blood he had on his leg

Yeah, but don´t be soo "it is JUST this" :p
Hehe :) You know it could be more than one meaning.

Lerithan

The only thing that I don't like about this idea is that it almost makes Chopper TOO powerful. I mean, think about it – when he was in Monster Point, Kumadori's attacks didn't even scratch Chopper. And Chopper's punches were hard enough to break right through his Tekkai, too. He was more or less invincible. Right now, as it stands, Monster Point is an absolute last resort, because of the fact that he could just as easily kick the crap outta one of the Straw Hats as he could the enemy. But if he would learn to control Monster Point, and especially if he could learn a way to not lose any, or at least as much, life force from it, then it would pretty much be an easy out to any battle -- just fire up the Monster Chopper and you win!

So yeah, it seems like a cool idea, kinda like one person comparing it to the Incredible Hulk, but it seems just too overpowered. I'd rather not see him be able to control it.

Ivotas

Who says that Chopper is too powerful in his Monster form? All we know is that he was too much for Kumadori to take on. If he would have owned a guy like Rucchi that easily is a completely different story. And even then, there´s plenty of guys in the OP world who are far above Rucchi´s level.

Furthermore Franky seemed to have put Chopper easily where he wanted to have him with Coup de Vent so we already have evidence that he´s not invinceble in that form within the story itself.

I really like whaleblue´s idea. It seems pretty plausible but of course with somebody like Oda other options are always possible. If Life Return should play a role then it´d be cool if Chopper could use it like Rucchi to even change his shape a bit. I´m sure a form that looks like a fighter based on Monster Point would look totally kickass.

mujushin

Well, Chopper was not hurt by Frankys attack, but that put him in the water..

Yeah, ofcourse he aint invincible, but still that form IS strong :p

myogatheflea

I highly doubt Chopper, even as smart as he is, could master Life Return. He may be able to go MONSTER in the future and control his movements, but that's the farthest I see it going. If he does, however, figure out how to use Life Return (like Luffy did Soru) then I would salute our favorite tunaki.

Lerithan

@Ivotas:

Who says that Chopper is too powerful in his Monster form? All we know is that he was too much for Kumadori to take on. If he would have owned a guy like Rucchi that easily is a completely different story. And even then, there´s plenty of guys in the OP world who are far above Rucchi´s level.

Furthermore Franky seemed to have put Chopper easily where he wanted to have him with Coup de Vent so we already have evidence that he´s not invinceble in that form within the story itself.

I really like whaleblue´s idea. It seems pretty plausible but of course with somebody like Oda other options are always possible. If Life Return should play a role then it´d be cool if Chopper could use it like Rucchi to even change his shape a bit. I´m sure a form that looks like a fighter based on Monster Point would look totally kickass.

Like someone else pointed out, Franky really didn't HURT Chopper, so much as blow him through a hole in the wall. Wind resistance and strength/durability are two different things ;-)

And while it's certainly true that we don't know what would have happened had Chopper gone into Monster Point against someone of Lucci's calibur, that's just it – we don't know. But think about it this way; Monster Point Chopper, when he was fighting Kumadori, was just standing there taking it. No special moves to defend himself, no attempts to dodge, no attempts to mentally lessen the impact of the blows. It was just straight up, meat-shield tankage going on. If Chopper would be able to control himself in this form, you gotta believe that he'd be even more powerful than he is right now with it. Not to mention, as far as his attacks go, all Monster Chopper did without control was pummel guys into the ground...literally. If he can control it, chances are he'll have his own array of special moves to go along with the form.

I dunno. I'm not saying that it can't be done...in fact, if anyone could make the whole scenario work, it'd be Oda, but right now I just don't see how adding another form like that could add to Chopper's character in any constructive manner.

Ivotas

@Lerithan:

Like someone else pointed out, Franky really didn't HURT Chopper, so much as blow him through a hole in the wall. Wind resistance and strength/durability are two different things ;)

I never said that he hurt him, I said that it proved this form isn´t invincible. If Franky (who couldn´t even scratch Rucchi) can already put him to his place with his most devastating attack, just imagine what guys of the level that makes you cut the sky could do to him.

And while it's certainly true that we don't know what would have happened had Chopper gone into Monster Point against someone of Lucci's calibur, that's just it – we don't know. But think about it this way; Monster Point Chopper, when he was fighting Kumadori, was just standing there taking it. No special moves to defend himself, no attempts to dodge, no attempts to mentally lessen the impact of the blows. It was just straight up, meat-shield tankage going on.

I guess you are going by the anime when you write that because in the manga all Kumadori used before he got raped by Monster was Geppou. Before Haru Gin Jou could actually reach Chopper he already hit Kumadori. So nope, he didn´t take anything in that form. The anime screwed up big time on that entire part because the entire scene made it seem as if he wouldn´t have done shit against Kumadori if he wouldn´t have provoked him for the lenght of half an episode.

I dunno. I'm not saying that it can't be done…in fact, if anyone could make the whole scenario work, it'd be Oda, but right now I just don't see how adding another form like that could add to Chopper's character in any constructive manner.

You don´t consider taming the brutal and vicious instincts of a beast with a sane mind as sort of character development? Wow, hard to impress ain´t we? ;)

Rai

I'll just add this to the discussion [hope it wasn't said before]:
Thing is, Chopper's field is medicine. All the SHs upgrades SOMEHOW [ie. Sanji] were connected to the field they are in. Life return can be somewhere close, but not as close as a Rumble Ball dilema.

Lerithan

@Ivotas:

I never said that he hurt him, I said that it proved this form isn´t invincible. If Franky (who couldn´t even scratch Rucchi) can already put him to his place with his most devastating attack, just imagine what guys of the level that makes you cut the sky could do to him.

I guess you are going by the anime when you write that because in the manga all Kumadori used before he got raped by Monster was Geppou. Before Haru Gin Jou could actually reach Chopper he already hit Kumadori. So nope, he didn´t take anything in that form. The anime screwed up big time on that entire part because the entire scene made it seem as if he wouldn´t have done shit against Kumadori if he wouldn´t have provoked him for the lenght of half an episode.

You don´t consider taming the brutal and vicious instincts of a beast with a sane mind as sort of character development? Wow, hard to impress ain´t we? ;)

Geh, you caught me! I didn't read the Manga for the Kumadori vs Chopper part…I started reading the manga right where Luffy and Lucci start to fight, and I'm catching up to the current arc, but as for the rest of it I'm starting form the beginning. I wanna read the whole thing eventually :)

I suppose I shouldn't argue any more of it then until I get caught up with the Manga...until then, I concede to your logic

Impel Down

Wait, if Chopper could use Life Return w/ Monster Point, then he wouldn't run out of energy and die! He wouldn't control it, but he could use it without damaging his body.

whaleblue

my another crazy or lame idea –may be someone like(Professor Vegapunk/hogback/usopp/franky) invent a gadget cap that can distorting the wavelengths of transformation for a long duration.the wavelengths tuning gadget will easily fix into his own red hat.but the percentage of oda doing this will be less then 3%.

GoustiFruit

If rumble balls allow to reach new hybrid forms for zoans, and that Life Returns allows the same, does it mean that any zoan could have a Monster Point (without using rumble balls) ?

Also, a little bit out of topic: like it was said somewhere in the previous page, strawhats have encountered people with special abilities -> mantra, life return, we also know that the big bosses must have another rank of abilities: during Shanks vs WB shock with the clouds being cut and Shanks "fighting spirit" that annihilated WB's crew…
If you think that Chopper may be able to integrate Life Return, do you think another strawhat may have somehow integrated the mantra ? Here I'm thinking about Zoro: Kaku mentionned during their fight, in their last move, that Zoro seemed to have guessed what he was going to do... Also, Zoro's strange abilities (Asura, spirit aura, and all those special effects) makes me think that he may be able to develop Mantra !?

Edit: and Zoro mentionned in the last chapter that he was also training is spirit... just before being touched by Perona's ghost :-D

Impel Down

Since when as Life Return allowed you to create a zoan hybrid?

Ramza

if that does happen, then his other forms are useless…

4ghost

@Ivotas:

I guess you are going by the anime when you write that because in the manga all Kumadori used before he got raped by Monster was Geppou. Before Haru Gin Jou could actually reach Chopper he already hit Kumadori. So nope, he didn´t take anything in that form. The anime screwed up big time on that entire part because the entire scene made it seem as if he wouldn´t have done shit against Kumadori if he wouldn´t have provoked him for the lenght of half an episode.

Just to add to that, another thing that I thought was interesting that the anime either missed or glazed over was Chopper's Monster point sense of smell. Kumadori tried to do a geppou sneak attack and was surprised to find Chopper's eyes already staring right at him after his nose was shown sniffing him out in an instant.

zero chan

Life Return is a good idea. But I hope Oda would do things a little differently, and not just copying directly from what he had done with Lucci or Kumadori. In addition, if this method is used, I hope it leads to something new, not controlling monster point. Sth like getting stronger via a different path.

Ivotas

@Ramza:

if that does happen, then his other forms are useless…

They proved to be pretty useless against Kumadori already. Even after all this mess with the second Rumble Ball he managed to finally get to Arm Point and throw what he thought would be his ultimate attack against Kumadori. That may have hurt him but it didn´t finish him off.

Also the entire fight proved how useless those transformation points are if Chopper continues like that. The whole fight was like "if I can´t change to Arm Point I´m done for" which is somehow pathetic. I´m not saying that everybody needs such a strong spirit like Luffy or Zoro but if Chopper wants to be a real pirate/man then he has to put faith behind everything he has, not just behind one form.

@4ghost:

Just to add to that, another thing that I thought was interesting that the anime either missed or glazed over was Chopper's Monster point sense of smell. Kumadori tried to do a geppou sneak attack and was surprised to find Chopper's eyes already staring right at him after his nose was shown sniffing him out in an instant.

Yeah that was messed up aswell. Not only in that scene but also in the scene after he left Kalifa´s room he was sniffing (instead of catching a breath). This made the whole scene appear that he sensed the other characters he went too (Kaku, Jabra, Zoro, Sogeking) while in the anime it appears that he randomly got there.

Ramza

@Ivotas:

They proved to be pretty useless against Kumadori already. Even after all this mess with the second Rumble Ball he managed to finally get to Arm Point and throw what he thought would be his ultimate attack against Kumadori. That may have hurt him but it didn´t finish him off.

Also the entire fight proved how useless those transformation points are if Chopper continues like that. The whole fight was like "if I can´t change to Arm Point I´m done for" which is somehow pathetic. I´m not saying that everybody needs such a strong spirit like Luffy or Zoro but if Chopper wants to be a real pirate/man then he has to put faith behind everything he has, not just behind one form.

Yeah that was messed up aswell. Not only in that scene but also in the scene after he left Kalifa´s room he was sniffing (instead of catching a breath). This made the whole scene appear that he sensed the other characters he went too (Kaku, Jabra, Zoro, Sogeking) while in the anime it appears that he randomly got there.

kumadori had tekkai, thats why all his attacks were useless…i doubt that every enemy the strawhat comes along now and then will all have tekkai...:getlost:

whaleblue

i feel that to master "life return" one must have very strong "will"
Kumadori lost control of his hair shigan(Shishi Shigan) after monstor chopper roar.
kumadori "will" been shaken after his actack are useless to chopper.
so my idea -
life return = strong physical base + know how + strong will(faith/believe)

luffy zorro sanji franky robin and chopper are group that using physical combat
ussopp and nami is techinical combat they base on gadget and the know how to use the gadget.

so upgrade of physical combat skill will be very necessary for physical combat base warrior.

strenghtern "will" will be the priority before SH enter new world.
i feel that it is not only the physical power that luffy own lucci,
it is luffy "will" that he want to save his own nakama that helps him to own lucci.
chopper zoan Df ability already have the strong physical strenght,
all he want to do is find out how "life return" works.
and ofcoz strenghtern his will and faith.

Life Return is a good idea. But I hope Oda would do things a little differently,
and not just copying directly from what he had done with Lucci or Kumadori.
In addition, if this method is used, I hope it leads to something new,
not controlling monster point. Sth like getting stronger via a different path.

"LIVE RETURN" IS JUST A NAME TO DISCUSS THIS TECHNIQ,
MAY BE ODA WILL CREATE An altenative TRICK FOR CHOPPER THAT SIMILAR TO IT.
leopard zoan and human zoan will have their own martial style.

Ivotas

@Ramza:

kumadori had tekkai, thats why all his attacks were useless…i doubt that every enemy the strawhat comes along now and then will all have tekkai...:getlost:

That´s hardly an argument. Luffy was able to break through Blueno´s Tekkai even before Gear 2nd, Franky broke through Fukuro´s with Strong Hammer and Sanji broke through Jabra´s with Diable Janbe.

The upcoming enemies will have to be strong to not be one hit victims if the Strawhats launch attacks of that power against them otherwise they wouldn´t be much of an obstacle. And if that´s the case then Chopper won´t be able to harm them either even if those guys ain´t got Tekkai.

dlo62282

Impel Down, Luchhi used life returns to modify his body.

GoustiFruit

@Impel:

Since when as Life Return allowed you to create a zoan hybrid?

As dlo62282 said, Lucci was able to control his zoan forms beyond the accepted rule of "3 forms" (human / animal / semi-human|semi-animal).

Chopper's Monster Point was caused by the rumble balls, but anyway it's something that is inside him. Do all zoans have potentially this power ?
OP could finish in a "Gozilla vs King Kong" battle if Oda let's things go this way.

But I think that this is where the other Dr from the marine will have his importance. I think Chopper Monster Point is the limit where the DF is about to be "released" from his body, causing the death of the DF user. And we learned that the doc. (don't remamber his name) has a great knowledge of DFs…

dlo62282

Predicting now, Chopper wil somewhat master monster point, when he face a giant on giant island.

That should be fun to see.

Impel Down

@GoustiFruit:

As dlo62282 said, Lucci was able to control his zoan forms beyond the accepted rule of "3 forms" (human / animal / semi-human|semi-animal).

Chopper's Monster Point was caused by the rumble balls, but anyway it's something that is inside him. Do all zoans have potentially this power ?
OP could finish in a "Gozilla vs King Kong" battle if Oda let's things go this way.

But I think that this is where the other Dr from the marine will have his importance. I think Chopper Monster Point is the limit where the DF is about to be "released" from his body, causing the death of the DF user. And we learned that the doc. (don't remamber his name) has a great knowledge of DFs…

Lucci used Life Return to make himself smaller. He didn't create a whole new hybrid.

whaleblue

@GoustiFruit:

As dlo62282 said, Lucci was able to control his zoan forms beyond the accepted rule of "3 forms" (human / animal / semi-human|semi-animal).

Chopper's Monster Point was caused by the rumble balls, but anyway it's something that is inside him. Do all zoans have potentially this power ?
OP could finish in a "Gozilla vs King Kong" battle if Oda let's things go this way.

i believe all zoan have potential in this monstor point power, OP couldnt finish in giant vs giant battle. been a giant doent make some one the strongest. it only make some one extra ordinary strong(not strongest). there are so many fleaking strong and bad ass in grandline. (even a mice can own a big elephant.) one day chopper will have to master his 7 form tranformation in varies way. if not he wont be able to survive in the new world.

But I think that this is where the other Dr from the marine will have his importance. I think Chopper Monster Point is the limit where the DF is about to be "released" from his body, causing the death of the DF user. And we learned that the doc. (don't remamber his name) has a great knowledge of DFs…

is Professor Vegapunk.

Impel down was right,lucci life return is only making his body smaller.

we just assume that komodori can use life return to control his hair.

will zoan DF user master techniq similar to life return can tranform/control their body part?

tranform/control their body part will give them an extra form like 7 point form or may be more diffirent form.

just assume…. just assume that....

moria is a gecho/reptile zoan and bibble bear is a bear zoan, strong rival like them will have breack thru their zoan df ability. they will fully ultilise their ability.

beside moria and bibble bear, there must be others bad ass that are zoan df user.

WHAT OTHERS WAY WILL THEM MAXIMISE THEIR ZOAN DF ABILITY????

sorry for my poor english.. some one please help to explain.

Lieju

@GoustiFruit:

Chopper's Monster Point was caused by the rumble balls, but anyway it's something that is inside him. Do all zoans have potentially this power ?
OP could finish in a "Gozilla vs King Kong" battle if Oda let's things go this way.

It would be logical to assume, that all zoans could in some circumstances transform into somekind of monster, since Chopper can. However, maybe the "Monster point" is not huge with every zoan.

Maybe not only zoans, but other DF users too can lose control like Chopper.

Impel Down

Well, Chopper COULD have formulated the Rumbles to only work for him, like he used his own DNA with it.

whaleblue

@Impel:

Well, Chopper COULD have formulated the Rumbles to only work for him, like he used his own DNA with it.

never thought of that before.:getlost:

It could be only suitable for him.

i think that chopper's rumble ball may tune to the wavelenght that he want to tranform.

i feel that chopper's rumble ball are not suitable for some zoan like Pell (bird) , a bird cant have a horn point.

Impel Down

Well, it wouldn't have horn point. It would be like a regular human form with big wings, or a regular human with uber-sharp talons.

whaleblue

@Impel:

Well, it wouldn't have horn point. It would be like a regular human form with big wings, or a regular human with uber-sharp talons.

who's say bird dont have horns?

hornbill have "horn".

bird zoan model hornbill. http://www.northrup.org/Photos/hornbill/low/great-hornbill-july-2005.jpg

bugiipoppu

Oo; you just contradicted yourself there, Whale.

….
Anyways, I don't think Monster Chopper is invincible. I really don't. I think he went 'Berserker' and transformed, but if you look at the Berserkers, they were made to stop when they DIED. So, Monster Chopper could have just ignored any pain he might have felt.

I also feel another good point was brought up here: Chopper's confidence. He really doesn't have a lot, and that may either be a character quirk, like a balance to Usopp's cockiness, or it may be a potential point of character evolution. Even in medicine, he's not that confident. He loves being praised, and he works hard, but part of the reason for all this is because he really isn't that confident. Just look at the blatent admiration he shows for Hogback. He thinks of himself as A doctor, but not a GREAT doctor. Chopper is uber-cute, but I'd really like for him to grow a spine. ...That's a pet peeve of mine, though. Spineless people. XP

Kaze

I love it. It's the most sutible thing for chopper to do anyways. :]

whaleblue

@bugiipoppu:

Oo; you just contradicted yourself there, Whale.

….
Anyways, I don't think Monster Chopper is invincible. I really don't. I think he went 'Berserker' and transformed, but if you look at the Berserkers, they were made to stop when they DIED. So, Monster Chopper could have just ignored any pain he might have felt.

hi bugiipoppu, u are right i am contradict myself her, since all we discuss here are just assuming and guessing. i dont mind agree with diffirent answer. since oda answer is the final answer. no matter how logical our/ur theory are it may still wrong.

i dont always using "should" or "it should be like that", i just use it "may" or "it may be".

i not that stubborn to my own opinion. doesnt mean that i dont have my own opinion. i know i might be wrong in my opinion. since i m not geniuse, even geniuse can be wrong too.:getlost: i preffer collect others people opinion. here got so many good theory i never thinks before.i really enjoy diffirent opinion here. no point for me to arguing with others , there is no benefit for me argue for manga. (am i so realistic?)

i found that some good theory even got conflict with others. but so what?

i write this thread is just gether some infomation what might happen if chopper need to go stronger.

who's theory better then i will agree with his opinion.

I also feel another good point was brought up here: Chopper's confidence. He really doesn't have a lot, and that may either be a character quirk, like a balance to Usopp's cockiness, or it may be a potential point of character evolution. Even in medicine, he's not that confident. He loves being praised, and he works hard, but part of the reason for all this is because he really isn't that confident. Just look at the blatent admiration he shows for Hogback. He thinks of himself as A doctor, but not a GREAT doctor. Chopper is uber-cute, but I'd really like for him to grow a spine. …That's a pet peeve of mine, though. Spineless people. XP

are u try to hint me that i m like chopper?:getlost: i believe that the answer is NO

i can feel my spine coz my back is pain.

Gorlom

@Impel:

Well, Chopper COULD have formulated the Rumbles to only work for him, like he used his own DNA with it.

i dont know if oda has any say in the anime or who writes that stuff… and i know the anbime doesnt really relate to the manga...

BUT in a filler episode (131) chopper has a flashback about makeing his first rumble ball...

! it was a mistake where he just added random stuff dropped some in when he got scared mixed it together and then ate it to hide it from doctorine… how he could reproduce the rumbleball after that is a mystery though =P

Ivotas

That´s filler stuff. And if I might add, from one of the worst filler phases ever.

Ramza

@Ivotas:

That´s hardly an argument. Luffy was able to break through Blueno´s Tekkai even before Gear 2nd, Franky broke through Fukuro´s with Strong Hammer and Sanji broke through Jabra´s with Diable Janbe.

The upcoming enemies will have to be strong to not be one hit victims if the Strawhats launch attacks of that power against them otherwise they wouldn´t be much of an obstacle. And if that´s the case then Chopper won´t be able to harm them either even if those guys ain´t got Tekkai.

ok tell me, whats the point of choppers other 7 points then?

chopper is unique because of his 7 forms; u can make a lot of strategy using them…he doesnt need the monster form...to win every battle...

(as much as i hate to compare one piece with naruto...chopper controling the monster point is the exact same thing as naruto using his demon fox to win every battle...)

the only thing that chopper should upgrade is the time limit of his rumble balls