General Sonic the Hedgehog Thread (Now With Movie 3 & Knuckles)

Nobodyman

Well, yesterday I got 100% on this game and got S ranks on all the missions (gloat gloat gloat). And that being said, I believe this was one of the easiest Sonic games out there as this is the first time I've ever been able to do this on a Sonic game.

Overall I think the game was pretty good (I played the Wii version, FTR). The day stages were the absolute best, even though steering was rather difficult. The werehog levels were okay, but I wasn't very keen on the fighting system. I used the classic controller, so mostly I was alternating between X and Y and sometimes I didn't get the combo I was trying to get. Also, there should have been a way to turn off "Super Werehog" (or whatever they call when you transform after filling up the bottom gauge).

Green_vs_Red

@Nobodyman:

Also, there should have been a way to turn off "Super Werehog" (or whatever they call when you transform after filling up the bottom gauge).

Weird because in the Next Gen versions Unleashed is triggered manually why would they make it automatic.

Oh and I hate you for getting all S-Ranks.

Nobodyman

@Green_vs_Red:

Weird because in the Next Gen versions Unleashed is triggered manually why would they make it automatic.

I don't follow. Are you agreeing with me?

Oh and I hate you for getting all S-Ranks.

Well, if it makes you feel any better there's no real reward for getting all S ranks (not for the the werehog stages anyway) other than the satisfaction of a 100% mastered game (which, I must admit, I felt a fair amount of)

KagePakkun

@Foochoski:

lol your right, if someone doesnt agree with you, then that person must have a "stupid" opinion. you win

Sorry, tones don't translate into forums right if you don't add smilies, I wasn't really serious. Pals?

I got this game 2 days ago for my birthday , and I'm really enjoying it, except some of the Werehog portions, sorta pissing me off with his sliding and what not. I must say that I completely and utterly DETEST Chip, I hope someone burns his freaking face off, offering chocalate to a phoenix ( although that was kinda funny, in a strange way), or Sonic bites his face off, I think the Werehog is better than people get credit, it's actually ok, unnecesary, I hope in the next game, he is gone Forever. Is it me or are most of the humans just an ugly repulsive thing?

Puma

My nephew got this as his Christmas present and noticed one thing while watching him playing: is the icecream vender voiced by Dan Green?

Played it a little, kinda fun but a bit confusing with the controls (playing Wii) since the tempo is too fast for me to think about which buttons is which.

Green_vs_Red

Chip's voice is just one of many reasons to avoid the english dub

and I just can believe how good people are at getting S-Ranks on levels I can get them on

SantoryuMaster97

I hate chip hes an annoying little thing and his voice doesnt suit him if you ask me.
But Jason is awesome right?

Green_vs_Red

Not by much.

OnePark

The game is good, but the Werehog stages are rather dull. The first stage of the Werehog was awesome, it was a new experience, but by the second stage… Blah~ I know I could beat the game in a day if I tried, so I'm taking it slow, trying to do some achievements.

GuetaMinute

So.. I got the game. Daytime levels are pretty fun, but like everyone else the Werehog bug the shit out of me. I'm currently stuck in some Africa sortofplace in a Nightime level, I enter a room that seems to have nothing other than countless robots and never stop spawning. What the hell do I do?

Edit: Nevermind, I passed. Just had to improve some stats. Damnit, Im getting pissed at the werehog levels (and even some daytime, well the ice one anyway. fucking slippery as hell) especially the Chinese-style one. After fighting and fighting countless of hordes of those..things, I die by a simple mistake and had to do that all over again. Enough. I turned it off, might as well continue that one tomorrow. No wonder this game gets bad reviews. No offense guys, but the controls aren't very good, and the camera is horrible.

Green_vs_Red

@ZeArmyOfHalen:

No wonder this game gets bad reviews. No offense guys, but the controls aren't very good, and the camera is horrible.

I hate to break this to but most of the bad reviews come from people making a big deal out of stuff in the game that isn't even as bad as they make it sound any time the Gamespot review was the only one to even mention the framerate issues which most of the other ones pretty much ignored you know they're bullshit but I'll give you the camera. Beat the game a little while ago and all I gotta say anyone who thinks the Sonic games shouldn't have a story can go get a dick shoved up their ass.

Kitsune Inferno

@Insider2000:

My apologies. I should have been more specific. I'm being Sonic/Shadow specific. Any other character should play exactly like Sonic, only with minor bonuses (Tails - additional air time in jumps, Knuckles - able to run through barriers any other character can't, Cream - Cheese slaughters any enemy that gets near Cream, hence letting her focus on speed and giving beginners an easier time).

That is EXACTLY how i want Sonic games to be. Everyone plays the same game, but wih paths only they can reach. You can play the other characters, but should not have to. Sonic should be the base and focus on high speed routes, and MAYBE make a path that only he can Homing Attack/Light Dash across. Tails should have high paths only he can reach with flying. Knuckles should have walls to break/climb. Cream is perfect in your equation, Insider.

Sorry if that sounds n00bish, but I prefera Sonic game where you can play as other characters and not just Sonic, but they hae to feel similar (no fishing!)

Nobodyman

@Kitsune:

That is EXACTLY how i want Sonic games to be. Everyone plays the same game, but wih paths only they can reach. You can play the other characters, but should not have to. Sonic should be the base and focus on high speed routes, and MAYBE make a path that only he can Homing Attack/Light Dash across. Tails should have high paths only he can reach with flying. Knuckles should have walls to break/climb. Cream is perfect in your equation, Insider.

Sorry if that sounds n00bish, but I prefera Sonic game where you can play as other characters and not just Sonic, but they hae to feel similar (no fishing!)

Actually this sounds pretty good to me too. This would also solve the "miles per level" problem as they could just have the same levels and have you replay them as different characters. In fact this is a pretty similar idea to what they did with Sonic Heroes (and I don't care what anyone says, I loved it). This is also pretty much what they did with the Sonic Advance games, so if they could just take the Sonic Advance concept and bring it too Wii/Playstation/Xbox it could be a really good game.

Robby

@Kitsune:

That is EXACTLY how i want Sonic games to be. Everyone plays the same game, but wih paths only they can reach. You can play the other characters, but should not have to. Sonic should be the base and focus on high speed routes, and MAYBE make a path that only he can Homing Attack/Light Dash across. Tails should have high paths only he can reach with flying. Knuckles should have walls to break/climb. Cream is perfect in your equation, Insider.

Sorry if that sounds n00bish, but I prefera Sonic game where you can play as other characters and not just Sonic, but they hae to feel similar (no fishing!)

That's… pretty much how it was in Sonic 3 and Sonic&Knuckles after locking onto the old games. Knuckles could break walls, climb walls, and glide, which gave an ENTIRELY different feel from the same levels Sonic went too, and Tails could fly reaching some powerups no one else could. Same level design, but easy to replay multiple times with each character. And the characters even had different jumping heights, so even the boss fights, the SAME boss fights, played totally different. (A boss that was easy for Sonic to reach the weak spot on was trouble for knuckles, who jumped just a pew pixels shorter, so he would sometimes have to climb a wall to hit an enemy, for instance...)

Such an easy and simple way to approach it, I really dunno why they haven't stuck with that.

Green_vs_Red

@robbybevard:

Such an easy and simple way to approach it, I really dunno why they haven't stuck with that.

They did stick with that somewhat for the Adventure games and look at how the fanbase greeted it.

GuetaMinute

Any pointers, guys? I'm currently stuck in one of the final temples, well getting there. Professor tells me to go to that tropical place (forgot what it's called, not the 1st one though, it's kinda Singaporean) and I passed Act 1 as Werehog.

Tried Act 2 but I imagine it is unnecessary seeing as how it is almost impossible to pass (probably a bonus, hard level) and I haven't played the Daytime level yet. I can't find it, though. I went through one of those portal thingies with a key, it said I had to look for a daytime level to find the key.

Insider2000

@Green_vs_Red:

They did stick with that somewhat for the Adventure games and look at how the fanbase greeted it.

Well that's a bit different. People slammed the fishing (I liked it >.>), emerald finding, robot riding (I loved this with Eggman and Tails), car driving (loathe!), and telekinetic powers that required you to stop.

If every character had something unique while rushing at their top speed (alters depending on character), it would be a lot better.

Everyone absolutely hated Silver. But imagine this:

You know how in Sonic Unleashed you have those challenges when time slows down and you have a few seconds to press three buttons.

Imagine doing that while playing Silver. And when the player succeeds, Silver moves objects that lead to a brand new path which is both a shortcut and a path no other character can reach.

Tell me that would not be awesome.

EDIT: Also, someone please help ZeArmyOfHalen. I feel bad for posting this without posting the answer, which I don't know.

Green_vs_Red

@Insider2000:

But imagine this:

You know how in Sonic Unleashed you have those challenges when time slows down and you have a few seconds to press three buttons.

Imagine doing that while playing Silver. And when the player succeeds, Silver moves objects that lead to a brand new path which is both a shortcut and a path no other character can reach.

People don't/didn't like that either they actually pass that off as lazy gameplay design and when some found out Unleashed had them well you can guess how they took it.

As for Zalen's question there's two area's that lead to levels one that's accessible by wall jumping and the other by speed boosting across the water try there if you have the proper amount of Sun Medals.

GuetaMinute

EDIT: Also, someone please help ZeArmyOfHalen. I feel bad for posting this without posting the answer, which I don't know.

It's fine, I got it. Well, I'm in the final level now, Eggmanland was fucking tough, and after having one game over when i was so close to the end, I decided: no more. I played it again some hours later and passed it, barely. Those 2 giants at the end were fucking torture, especially with the mage thingies

Good thing they kept killing themselves and I didn't have to do shit. They just kept doing the jumpthenstomp attack and I just avoided it until they both fell. So, Eggman was an easy boss. Dark Gaia? First 2 rounds were easy, 3rd one I struggled sometimes. I did get to the part when you're Sonic, but I got a GAME OVER at that point

Frustrating..as..hell. I'll give it a go some other day.

Gravy-Kun

@Green_vs_Red:

Not if losing all your lives ends in having to start the level all over from the beginning or in some other cases the game prevents you from revisiting a level or area.

Could never understand why people hated the hub worlds especially when others games like the newer Mario games have had them

Good ol' GvR…

In the good old days losing all your lives meant having to use continues or gasp starting the game over.

Then doesn't that make replaying the game that much more enjoyable? Sides, we didn't always have replayable levels. If we had to we had to start over. Part of the fun right?

For Sonic, most people feel hub worlds to be restrictive in speed. For Mario, hub worlds feel just right. Either way the hub world has to be designed just right. (I however feel the hub world of Galaxy was well, not so good...)

@Qualms:

actually, it was to be able to hit things comfortably. ever tried to kill small enemies in 3D sonic games just by bopping them on the head? you'd lose your mind in the process. same reason why mario could punch.

I said that before though, pages before that comment. Though yeah, I have.

Mario punched in one game though… (not counting the remake and the 'star spin')

Green_vs_Red

@Gravy-Kun:

Then doesn't that make replaying the game that much more enjoyable?

Honestly no. @Gravy-Kun:

Sides, we didn't always have replayable levels. If we had to we had to start over. If we had to we had to start over. Part of the fun right?

Well with Unleashed you can also replay a level if you beat it so losing all your lives shouldn't really have to be the way possible of doing that. Lose all your lives on EggmanLand and you might see what I mean. @Gravy-Kun:

For Sonic, most people feel hub worlds to be restrictive in speed. For Mario, hub worlds feel just right. Either way the hub world has to be designed just right. (I however feel the hub world of Galaxy was well, not so good…)

I thought it also had to do mostly with the fact that Sonic's interacting with the citizens of whichever place he's doing and completely optional missions which aren't overly difficult to complete well aside from certain ones involving Sonic.

GuetaMinute

Well with Unleashed you can also replay a level if you beat it so losing all your lives shouldn't really have to be the way possible of doing that. Lose all your lives on EggmanLand and you might see what I mean.

Ughh… Don't remind me, for the love of God.

Foochoski

@KagePakkun!:

Sorry, tones don't translate into forums right if you don't add smilies, I wasn't really serious. Pals?

Yeah we are cool lol. Anyway I started a game reviewing blog and I am making a review for Sonic Unleashed right now, but I am being too lazy to actually sit down and finish it. I'll post the link then it is done.

Nobodyman

@ZeArmyOfHalen:

Dark Gaia? First 2 rounds were easy, 3rd one I struggled sometimes. I did get to the part when you're Sonic, but I got a GAME OVER at that point

Frustrating..as..hell. I'll give it a go some other day.

Wait, so did you beat the game or not? Also, which version are you playing (Wii, Xbox, PS2?)

Also, curse image/word association. Whenever I see your avatar I get this image in my mind of Donquixote Doflamingo onstage with Van Halen.

GuetaMinute

Nope, I've yet to beat it. I'm playing the 360 version.

Hah, never really thought about that. I keep changing avatars because I can't really find one that I love, so I used that one (well, he's a cool character anyway) and my username? I made it up on the spot. Seems kinda weird yet cool, tho. Original. TheArmyofVanHalen but without Van and replace The with Ze.

When I read one of your posts, I think you're a smart Mama Luigi. Funny.

Nobodyman

Ah, well I played the Wii version, so I don't know how much it differs from the X360, but I can tell you perseverance is key, no matter what game you're playing. Also, if the two versions don't differ too much, I can tell you to try and master the regular sonic parts through trial and error, and collect bookoo rings with Super Sonic. Also, be sure you have a lot of lives, you'll need 'em.

And about your avatar, that's a funny story (and yeah, Donquixote rocks). Ha ha, and you think I'm a "smart Mama Luigi"? Well there's an oxymoron if I ever heard one. Well really, I chose Mama Luigi cause this was around the time I was really getting into YTP. I should probably change it some time soon. And Nobodyman is my universal username. I use it for here, Animesuki, IMDB, and even my Suntrust account.

Green_vs_Red

@Nobodyman:

, I can tell you to try and master the regular sonic parts through trial and error, and collect bookoo rings with Super Sonic.

Super Sonic has a health meter so no worry about needing to collect rings (after it's full) even when he gets low on health.

Nobodyman

@Green_vs_Red:

Super Sonic has a health meter so no worry about needing to collect rings (after it's full) even when he gets low on health.

Well, in the Wii version you have to collect rings and if you reach zero you die (they basically are Sonic's health) It also takes 10 rings to attack Dark Gaia, so I would usually try to have 30 or 40 at a time. That was my experience anyway.

GuetaMinute

In the 360 version, I don't think you play as Super Sonic later in the final boss, but I haven't. I played as this colossal giant formed from the Chaos Emerald Temples. It would have been funner to play as Super Sonic..

Nobodyman

^Yeah, that's in the Wii version, but it's only the first part. After that you play as regular Sonic and have to run through three segments. After that is the final part where you play as Super Sonic. But again, this is the Wii version.

GuetaMinute

Ah then I might play as Super Sonic. I haven't gotten past the final segment. I was at the final part of the final (3rd) segment but got a GAME OVER so yeah..

Foochoski

@Green_vs_Red:

Super Sonic has a health meter so no worry about needing to collect rings (after it's full) even when he gets low on health.

I thought this part was kinda weird. I don't know why they gave him a health bar instead of collecting rings like in EVERY other Sonic game. Also, a tip for the last boss. When flying the giant thing, just remember the pattern of the meteors. After the last, it uses the same pattern so its not that hard. You can punch the meteors (lol yeah I did not know that the first few plays) and you can just guard the laser. You do go Super Sonic in the ps3/360 version but again I think the game is flawed in the way that you pas as super sonic…bad controls and camera, then not even a satisfying fight (dont wanna spoil)

Green_vs_Red

@Foochoski:

I thought this part was kinda weird. I don't know why they gave him a health bar instead of collecting rings like in EVERY other Sonic game. Also, a tip for the last boss. When flying the giant thing, just remember the pattern of the meteors. After the last, it uses the same pattern so its not that hard. You can punch the meteors (lol yeah I did not know that the first few plays) and you can just guard the laser. You do go Super Sonic in the ps3/360 version but again I think the game is flawed in the way that you pas as super sonic…bad controls and camera, then not even a satisfying fight (dont wanna spoil)

Well constantly collecting rings is kind of pointless when you consider that chip's health can't regenerate.

Foochoski

@Green_vs_Red:

Well constantly collecting rings is kind of pointless when you consider that chip's health can't regenerate.

I know, but still takes away from the nostalgic super sonic gameplay.

Green_vs_Red

Well if it's any consolation the rocks in the final battle do hearken back to Doomsday Zone:getlost:.

Tizoc

Alright guys, the game's full OST can be DLed from here-
http://www.soahcity.com/music/2008_sonic_unleashed/index.php

Now watch this vid CAREFULLY, and by Carefully I mean DO NOT BLINK!
2H9Dw9CgYqA&FMT=18
…and for those that still didn't get it

! He beat the stage in less than 5 seconds

shadowrep

@Tizoc:

Alright guys, the game's full OST can be DLed from here-
http://www.soahcity.com/music/2008_sonic_unleashed/index.php

Now watch this vid CAREFULLY, and by Carefully I mean DO NOT BLINK!
2H9Dw9CgYqA&FMT=18
…and for those that still didn't get it

! He beat the stage in less than 5 seconds

I actually really liked this game alot, the werehog did not move to slow imo and sonic parts was not trail and error for me the only level i had trouble with is jungle joyride
the 2cd part of gaia was hard BUT only the last part when you had to hit the middle top part as i kept on running out of time i luckly made it by boosting like hell
btw that vid was jokes a C for under 5 secs xD

GuetaMinute

After once again trying the game since I was bored and I thought I'd give it a shot, I beat the game. Not as hard once you know what you have to do. The Super Sonic shield part was slightly hard, but not that much of a challenge.

..So that's it. Too bad, like most games, once you beat it it doesn't save your data (allowing the exception of Achievements (360 version) which just shows you beat the game) so it's just as if I never beat it.. Oh well.

Nobodyman

@ZeArmyOfHalen:

After once again trying the game since I was bored and I thought I'd give it a shot, I beat the game. Not as hard once you know what you have to do. The Super Sonic shield part was slightly hard, but not that much of a challenge.

..So that's it. Too bad, like most games, once you beat it it doesn't save your data (allowing the exception of Achievements (360 version) which just shows you beat the game) so it's just as if I never beat it.. Oh well.

You didn't get a Moon Medal for beating Dark Gaia? Hmm, well maybe you don't get one on the X360 version.

Tizoc

Dunno how it is with the 360/PS3 version, but to get Medals you need to have Rank C or higher. Rank D gives you nothing.

Nobodyman

@Tizoc:

Dunno how it is with the 360/PS3 version, but to get Medals you need to have Rank C or higher. Rank D gives you nothing.

Yeah, and with bosses you need to get S rank or nothing. You have to do it within the alotted time or you get no medal.

Davy

Seeing as this is getting universally low scores(Yahtzee tore it apart), do you guys think it's worth getting on the Wii?, since i've heard the Wii version is somewhat better (No town sections apparently)

EDIT: Here's the ZP review if you aint seen it http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/472-Sonic-Unleashed

Nobodyman

@Davy:

Seeing as this is getting universally low scores(Yahtzee tore it apart), do you guys think it's worth getting on the Wii?, since i've heard the Wii version is somewhat better (No town sections apparently)

EDIT: Here's the ZP review if you aint seen it http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/472-Sonic-Unleashed

It's hard to say. I bought it, and really, I don't regret it. I think it was fun game worth the price of admission. The werehog stages may be a bit tedious, but the day stages are beyond awesome. But yes, I know a lot of people have been quite displeased with the Sonic games of recent years, but I'm not as picky so I've quite enjoyed them. So lets just say that if you're one of the ones who don't like the recent Sonic games, then don't get this one cause it's just more of the same. Oh, and I can't speak for the PS and Xbox versions since I haven't played them, but I think the Wii verison is great.

King_Ty

xbox 360 version is really good besides too long warehog levels….they should be shortened but its good

Green_vs_Red

@King_Ty:

xbox 360 version is really good besides too long warehog levels….they should be shortened but its good

5-20 Minutes is too long?

GuetaMinute

5? Are you kidding me?? 5!?..

It takes ATLEAST 9 minutes for each stage, regardless of how fast you're going. Maximum is 20 yeah but that is too fucking long.

Tizoc

The 360/PS3 Werehog stages are longer than the PS2/Wii stages? Cuz the early Werehog stages (PS2 ver.) are beatable within 5 minutes, others under 10.

@Davy:

Seeing as this is getting universally low scores(Yahtzee tore it apart), do you guys think it's worth getting on the Wii?, since i've heard the Wii version is somewhat better (No town sections apparently)

The reviews given for this game are not good/proper and don't do the game justice, the game is far better than the reviews say it is, for the most part.

Green_vs_Red

@ZeArmyOfHalen:

5? Are you kidding me?? 5!?..

It takes ATLEAST 9 minutes for each stage,

GuetaMinute

Excluding shortcuts..

Green_vs_Red

I was under the impression that it was okay to take shortcuts in a Sonic game.