On a joking note I would say that Eunuchs would be a better choice. On a serious note I would mention that Hermaphrodites have like men and women their own baggage to deal with in regards to cultural and storytelling roadblocks.
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Female Shichibukai?
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Not going to happen. Oda is very blatantly sexist.
I'd love to be proven wrong, but I don't think we'll ever see a female character in OP with enough strength for Luffy, Zoro, or (especially) Sanji to take seriously. And before anyone says Kuina, she's dead.
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I would honestly say that Hina has enough power to pose a problem to them, considering she handily dispatched Bon Clay, who had a very good and close match with Sanji.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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If you mean pose a problem to them circa Alabasta then yeah she would, but now? Mayhap if she entered into a compact with smoker and his little gang of justice and got a powerup. Otherwise? Highly improbable. In the end though she will never be the challenge that Smoker is thus invalidating the entire purpose. Hina will never be more than a tangential threat.
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@Cap'n:
I would honestly say that Hina has enough power to pose a problem to them, considering she handily dispatched Bon Clay, who had a very good and close match with Sanji.
If Hina ever fought the crew, her opponent would be Nami or Robin.
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^^ What he said.
While Hina is definitely "strong", I wouldn't consider her badass, mostly because she likes variety in her moveset (but that's probably because we haven't really seen much focus on her fights.)
Still, even if she is strong, or Oda releases another strong and hopefully badass female, they'll more than likely be stuck in a boring battle against Nami or Robin (well, we don't know if Robin's a boring fighter or not. Her fight against fatman was just stupid…)
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so all together…from what i gathered....oda is anti-feminist
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Depends on what your definition of feminist is. If by feminist you mean, recent attempt to undo what the entire span of human social evolution has wrought in a unilateral push to deny all aspects and yet embrace all aspects of gender, then yes. I would say that he is anti-feminist, but more in the way that a man who insists on paying for dinner and holds doors is "anti-feminist".
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Pipboy, you're still over generalizing.
It could be argued that the current differences in physical prowess between men and women are more as a result of upbringing than from any physical handicap that they might carry. Young males in most modern societies are told from an early age to be strong, play sports and build muscle. Young girls are simply told to eat as little as possible and dress fashionably. Of course females in our society will be physically weaker if they have never been told they ought to try and be physically proficient.
For example, the female hundred meter record is 10.49 seconds while the men's record is 9.77 seconds. Is this <1 second difference because of an inherent physical weakness in women's bodies or because many more boys play tag, play youth sports and go into track than girls? It's an unprovable argument on both sides, of course, but it still makes you wonder what would happen if the culture dynamic were reversed.
While men do have a physical advantage on pure strength dueo to a larger skeletal frame giving more surface area for muscle growth, in One Piece that shouldn't make much of a difference. There is no relation between muscle mass and strength in the series (zoro's stronger than half giants after all.) So logically, women should have no physical handicap to men in the one piece world.
Unfortunately, Oda seems to be on your side of this debate. Kuina's entire speech about women maturing to be physically weaker than men showed his cards. You are also right that he designs most of his female villains so that they can not be harmed in fights against male protagonists:
-Alvida can't be hit.
-Calipha's bubbles make physical strength worthless against her. She beat sanji and luffy would have been helpless against strength draining bubbles as well.
-The female in the current spoiler also.But the again, he had zoro cripple a woman in whisky peak. So who knows?
P.S. Oh, and in regards to hina, she hasn't shown her full capabilities yet. To say that she is automatically weaker than luffy just because they have improved since she appeared in the series doesn't make sense. If Oda ever does make her run up against a strawhat, you can be sure that she will hold her own to make the fight interesting.
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well if you want an example of a shounen hero that does it look no further than
Jotaro Kujo
he will ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORA
ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAanyone with no bias in gender, age, species or race.
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While men do have a physical advantage on pure strength dueo to a larger skeletal frame giving more surface area for muscle growth, in One Piece that shouldn't make much of a difference. There is no relation between muscle mass and strength in the series (zoro's stronger than half giants after all.) So logically, women should have no physical handicap to men in the one piece world.
Exactly, exactly, exactly.
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i just feel that a female shichibukai might be quite a good idea. But i think that Mihawk would be the strongest shichibukai. To be the strongest swordsman in the world is really something, dun think any shichibukai would be higher than him.
Mihawk = shanks
shanks = whitebeard
whitebeard = Strongest man in the worldMake sense but i nt sure whether i would be 100% correct
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There totally should be a female shichibukai. Like, a pure evil, bloodthirsty valkyrie type or something that kicks serious ass, has super-fast movements, commands some kind of army, or has some kinda in-your-face bossy, elitist attitude. It'd be nice if she wasn't oversexed like Oda seems to do with a lot of his female characters (we have enough naked Namis and Robin cleavage as-is), but if not, she should at least be a woman of power. Like, fuck, Luffy's screwed kind of power.
I'd love to see all of the "powerhouse" characters among the Mugiwaras totally get beaten down, and then maybe Usopp, Nami, Robin, and Chopper use every ounce of teamwork in them to devise some crazy strategy and barely win?
Not that she'd be weak of course – but that she'd be so strong that she absolutely would require a crazy amount of teamwork and strategy to defeat, and since others (Luffy, Zoro, Sanji) like to kick ass solo mostly, and just with pure power, they wouldn't stand a chance. That would be awesome.
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Pipboy, you're still over generalizing.
It could be argued that the current differences in physical prowess between men and women are more as a result of upbringing than from any physical handicap that they might carry. Young males in most modern societies are told from an early age to be strong, play sports and build muscle. Young girls are simply told to eat as little as possible and dress fashionably. Of course females in our society will be physically weaker if they have never been told they ought to try and be physically proficient.
For example, the female hundred meter record is 10.49 seconds while the men's record is 9.77 seconds. Is this <1 second difference because of an inherent physical weakness in women's bodies or because many more boys play tag, play youth sports and go into track than girls? It's an unprovable argument on both sides, of course, but it still makes you wonder what would happen if the culture dynamic were reversed.
While men do have a physical advantage on pure strength dueo to a larger skeletal frame giving more surface area for muscle growth, in One Piece that shouldn't make much of a difference. There is no relation between muscle mass and strength in the series (zoro's stronger than half giants after all.) So logically, women should have no physical handicap to men in the one piece world.
Unfortunately, Oda seems to be on your side of this debate. Kuina's entire speech about women maturing to be physically weaker than men showed his cards. You are also right that he designs most of his female villains so that they can not be harmed in fights against male protagonists:
-Alvida can't be hit.
-Calipha's bubbles make physical strength worthless against her. She beat sanji and luffy would have been helpless against strength draining bubbles as well.
-The female in the current spoiler also.But the again, he had zoro cripple a woman in whisky peak. So who knows?
P.S. Oh, and in regards to hina, she hasn't shown her full capabilities yet. To say that she is automatically weaker than luffy just because they have improved since she appeared in the series doesn't make sense. If Oda ever does make her run up against a strawhat, you can be sure that she will hold her own to make the fight interesting.
Except that upon dissection of a human cadaver you can differentiate a male from a female without looking at the sex organs. Testosterone literally stimulates muscle growth like a anabolic steroid. No matter how much you change a girls upbringing its not going to change the fact that her hips are canted at an ineffcient angle. She will never be as large.
Its not an unprovable arguement as the only one that exists is sample size. Perhaps our female athletes would be better on average if more girls were enticed into sports, but the individuals themselves are trained to near human limits and in some cases beyond. The time differential is massive in that it consitutes a 7% increase in speed and far greater increase in power. It is exponentially more difficult to move faster to the order of 8 times the power to move double the speed. Its not a small unique difference either. The slowest competetive men in olympic sprinting would be medalists in the female comeptition.
As to Oda? Ms. Monday was the only example I can think of and its not that Oda can't draw women in distress, Ala Spandam and NIco Robin, I just don't think he can draw a competitive female, I don't think its in him from what I have seen of his style.
You are however completely correct in that when you throw the laws of human limitation out the window as most manga do then you also throw out the laws of gender differentiation. Its unfortunate that our associations persist even through that.
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His women are so skinny, they'd break upon contact come to think of it.
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I am actually writing a fanfic with a female Shichibukai in it…. lol. And I made her almost impossibly powerful. >.<
Despite that, after reading some of the posts in this thread, I have decided that I really wouldn't like to see one actually appear in OP. The way Oda-sama's been going lately, a female Shichibukai would indeed fall victim to more unnecessary fanservice. I can't say I COMPLAINED about Nami getting pulled out of the tub like that (lol), but it WAS a bit much. I wouldn't want a female Shichibukai to be introduced just for her to become another sex object like Kalifa did.
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shanks = whitebeard
whitebeard = Strongest man in the worldYou contradicted yourself.
If Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world, then nobody would equal him. That's why he's the only one to have recieved that title.
On topic: I don't see anything wrong with a female Shichibukai. I don't see why anyone would… there have been female pirates shown.
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@$abZ:
On topic: I don't see anything wrong with a female Shichibukai. I don't see why anyone would… there have been female pirates shown.
Well, actually, I should reword what I said a bit. I wouldn't MIND a female Shichibukai. As has been said, there have been plenty of female pirates in history. What I WOULD mind is a female Shichibukai becoming a sex object, a victim of fanservice, things I said in my last post. So as long as that doesn't happen to an extreme, like Kalifa, I would be perfectly fine with a female Shichibukai.
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There totally should be a female shichibukai. Like, a pure evil, bloodthirsty valkyrie type or something that kicks serious ass, has super-fast movements, commands some kind of army, or has some kinda in-your-face bossy, elitist attitude. It'd be nice if she wasn't oversexed like Oda seems to do with a lot of his female characters (we have enough naked Namis and Robin cleavage as-is), but if not, she should at least be a woman of power. Like, fuck, Luffy's screwed kind of power.
I'd love to see all of the "powerhouse" characters among the Mugiwaras totally get beaten down, and then maybe Usopp, Nami, Robin, and Chopper use every ounce of teamwork in them to devise some crazy strategy and barely win?
Not that she'd be weak of course – but that she'd be so strong that she absolutely would require a crazy amount of teamwork and strategy to defeat, and since others (Luffy, Zoro, Sanji) like to kick ass solo mostly, and just with pure power, they wouldn't stand a chance. That would be awesome.
As much as I would love to see that happening as well, especially the bit with the 'weaker' Strawhats having to ban together to defeat said Shichibukai, I doubt it would ever happen in reality.. I really want Oda to make a strong female character that could stand toe to toe with the guys and not be right away labeled off as either Nami's or Robin's opponent but chances are that it will never happen..
(Of course if said female character looked like an ogre or something, imagine Alvida pre-devil fruit only much worse, the chances of it actually happening skyrocket dramatically.. Oda seems to have more of a problem with beautiful female characters getting hurt by the men in this series than he does with the ugly ones getting the same treatment..)
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and then maybe Usopp, Nami, Robin, and Chopper use every ounce of teamwork in them to devise some crazy strategy and barely win?
Pfft, if only. Such an event would be a dream come true. [/Usopp Worship]
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a female shichibukai could be a problem for sanji but that would be nice….but who will fight against her (when she is a evil bitch
) robin...i dont really thing thats she will fight such main charas like a shichibukai....... only on3e chance left of a female shichibukai....dont really believe it....but maybe a black shichibukai
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excuse me!!! can u tell me the name of all sichibukai plus their bounty too!!! plsss…...
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excuse me!!! can u tell me the name of all sichibukai plus their bounty too!!! plsss…...
How far are you in the series? o.O;; You at least know that Crocodile and Mihawk are shichibukai right? If not then I'm not exactly comfortable with telling you about the rest of them..
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A truly evil lady pirate? Then you need a lady pirate whose crew is made up entirely of her own children. Children who are devoted and worshipful toward Mother. Children that will do anything to win a fight. Anything.
Children she feels no scruple toward whatsoever.
It wouldn't hurt if she ate her own placenta, either…
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@ndra:
excuse me!!! can u tell me the name of all sichibukai plus their bounty too!!! plsss…...
Stop being inept.
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As much as I would love to see that happening as well, especially the bit with the 'weaker' Strawhats having to ban together to defeat said Shichibukai, I doubt it would ever happen in reality.. I really want Oda to make a strong female character that could stand toe to toe with the guys and not be right away labeled off as either Nami's or Robin's opponent but chances are that it will never happen..
I know it's wishful thinking… but it would make for a dramatic, compelling battle, fighting against the wind, a cliffhanger at the end of each chapter – his readers would like it, if only Oda would consider the idea.
And yes, me too. Obviously Sanji's never going to attempt to kick a girl's ass, but if he gets knocked out first... and all the other "strong" Mugiwaras have to go against this woman, and it's an incredibly difficult battle... I'd definitely be satisfied. :3
A female Shichibukai would totally satisfy all these requirements -- Croc was the weakest, Luffy had LOADS of trouble with him (putting the fact that he was in his DF's natural environment aside); thus it goes without saying that every other Shichibukai will be very, very difficult for ANY of the Strawhats.
(Of course if said female character looked like an ogre or something, imagine Alvida pre-devil fruit only much worse, the chances of it actually happening skyrocket dramatically.. Oda seems to have more of a problem with beautiful female characters getting hurt by the men in this series than he does with the ugly ones getting the same treatment..)
:getlost:Yeeeah…. x_x; It's stupid, really. Califa and Merrychristmas both tried to kill main characters, but only Merrychristmas was allowed to be hit, because she was ugly... bleah, I hate it. x_X;
I mean, Spandam beat the shit out of Robin, but she was rendered helpless, AND she's not an enemy, so wtf kind of message is this giving?
@Cyringohn:
Pfft, if only. Such an event would be a dream come true. [/Usopp Worship]
I know, I know. We can only hope in vain. :sad:
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You can draw powerful and sexy looking females. Example is Jeannie from Rune Soldier. With increase of muscle mass, you have to keep the female face feminie and increas the shape of the female to match the muscle mass.
So Usually if you stick 5 extra inches on her arms and legs there has to be 5 extra on her breasts and butt. If you keep her breasts the same size of the equalient of her without the mucles she will look flat chested and too male.
Heehee… The guys will love this picture I think (not). XD
Estenially, the typical female body builder will end up looking (body shape wise) not much different from the above picture. ^-^'
One more picture, she has more muscles… But her breasts look like implants. Not they still ended up looking small due to her muscle mass.
But yeah. I still don't want a female shichibukai. Looking at female body builders made me crindge.
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she could also be strong without a ironbody:happy:
maybe she has than the devilfruit of iron and than she could be sweet but she could have a niiiiiiiiice punch
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The female schichibukai would be a squid, an octopus or some snake. And she'll have tentacles and stuff and the ability to shoot liquids that constrict things. And she'll have whips and stuff.
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There reamains only 1 Bukai who we know nothing of. I personally think it would be great if that Bukai is a woman. Then again, you know that Luffy HAS to save the day and unless the female Bukai is an ugly bitch like Alvida from the first chapters of OP…don't count on there being a female Bukai. -
I vote for the female shichibukai to be a fat, ugly, powerlifting, testosterone-taking bitch with a moustache. This way we OP lovers could take the politically correct stand: "see, women can be as strong as men!".. yeah, as long as they aren't women anymore :blink:
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Like Biscuit in Hunter X Hunter…
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i vote for it to not be a women(no offense)i mean, thisis the last bukai,(besides the ones that might join)and i want it to be a ultimate person .not stronger than mihawk,but around his level would be good
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I'm kind of confused at why people are taking sexual dimorphism seriously in a series where people eat superpowering fruit.
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It just gives them a chance to pretend being cultured chaps using a lot of big words while discussing a kids cartoon, unfortunately it makes them come off as pompous self important morons.
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There never really has been a strong woman in OP, save for Califa. And Hina is powerful, not strong, because of her DF.
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I'm kind of confused at why people are taking sexual dimorphism seriously in a series where people eat superpowering fruit.
Because its not the dimorphism itself that is important, it the the associative bias and cognitive history that the dimorphism has created in the storytelling process. The truth is that in fiction there are no limits but imagination, however touchstones of reflection with reality give weight and meaning. Symbolism and easily referenced collective ideals that a storyteller like Oda can use to power his story.
It takes energy to overcome the gender stereotypes but more than that it is nigh impossible to change the prevailing winds of a persons bias. Most people whether or not they understand it have biases that reflect themselves in thier preferences. Which is why the comedy our "When Husbands Break their wives teeth" no matter how funny or well written it is will never get off the ground and why "When Wives kick their husbands in the crotch" will be guarunteed laughs.
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Because its not the dimorphism itself that is important, it the the associative bias and cognitive history that the dimorphism has created in the storytelling process. The truth is that in fiction there are no limits but imagination, however touchstones of reflection with reality give weight and meaning. Symbolism and easily referenced collective ideals that a storyteller like Oda can use to power his story.
It takes energy to overcome the gender stereotypes but more than that it is nigh impossible to change the prevailing winds of a persons bias. Most people whether or not they understand it have biases that reflect themselves in thier preferences. Which is why the comedy our "When Husbands Break their wives teeth" no matter how funny or well written it is will never get off the ground and why "When Wives kick their husbands in the crotch" will be guarunteed laughs.
It just gives them a chance to pretend being cultured chaps using a lot of big words while discussing a kids cartoon, unfortunately it makes them come off as pompous self important morons.
HAIL ALDRICH
People, it's not necessary to use "bukai" in your sentences. It's basically Wapanese, the opposite of Engrish.
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@$abZ:
You contradicted yourself.
If Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world, then nobody would equal him. That's why he's the only one to have recieved that title.
On topic: I don't see anything wrong with a female Shichibukai. I don't see why anyone would… there have been female pirates shown.
Nope its what garp said, there are 4 ppl on the same lvl as whitebeard.
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It needs to be a little girl who can snap people in half with her bare hands.
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It just gives them a chance to pretend being cultured chaps using a lot of big words while discussing a kids cartoon, unfortunately it makes them come off as pompous self important morons.
HAIL ALDRICH
Which is shorthand for, "I am not equipped to debate on this level and will thus wave off rather than crashing and burning". Seeya later.
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Yeah, he doesn't have a thesaurus next to him nor does he take himself seriously enough to think stating the obvious about a comic for young boys on the armpit of the internet is high level "debating". Jesus Christ do you have an idea how fucking ridiculous you sound?
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i would not mind a female i mean atleast one female would be alright then maybe the straw hats could get a female member in luffy,zoro,sanji strenght pool to fight her.
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Nope its what garp said, there are 4 ppl on the same lvl as whitebeard.
They are in the same group as him, but not on the same level. Damn near him though.
Are you a young boy? Is greg a young boy, are any of the people that translate young boys. Talk about ridiculous and your still completely worthless when it comes to any form of challenge. Your settings are contempt and scorn without any of the muscle you need to back it up. That makes you a ponce or in laymans terms an effeminate loser who doesn't have a spine.
FYI, your on the internet, the internet has both thesauruses, so if you feel belittled by my vocabulary why not look up the words then go macho up with some big words of your own.
Greg hates long words.
Anyway, a female schichibukai would probably the stereotypical villain that is female, with tight clothes or something.
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Possessing a large vocabulary and vast intelligence does not make a man any better than another man. What an odd notion.
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Quite frankly, good as Oda is in this regard, Japan really isn't the place to expect the great one to come from, unless were talking Miyazaki.
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We need that, but something else too.
Something.....Colonel Kurtz like. Heart of darkness. Violent, frightning, powerful, but it can't come across as being some Riot Grrl style bullshit.
Not some preachy "rebellion".
You have to scare off anyone who would rally behind the character as being a positive example.
You have to scare off the "hooray! woman kicking butt" people, you have to scare off the "shes just fighting mans world people, the "Omg shes smexy" people, the "I wanna be like her" people.
You need to remind everyone that this is EVIL.
She needs to do things like kill kids, rape a dude, terrorism, maybe a serial genocider (I don't think it gets worse than that).
And all this without making her mannish or a tomboy, she should be blonde and white, the stereotypically "pureist" body type, that will make neo-nazis repent. She should be pretty short, normal looking, basically muscular without being apsurdly buff or stupidly thin (like every female character in those DC cartoons). Foul mouthed....Throughout your whole description, I thought: Slan? Sounds like a perfect match.
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Now I will scurry out of this forum because of the various spoilers roaming around for an innocent victim like myself to defile. :ninja:
 
