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      I know it hasn't been confirmed yet but, from what we can tell, Moria is a swordsman (possibly combined with DF or what have you)

      If that is so, Zoro will probably want a 1v1 with Moria, ultimately leading to Moria's defeat. From there Zoro may end up taking Moria's sword as a victory trophy.

      One issue that stands in the way of this is Zoro's previous sword loss. Could the lack of santouryu prevent him from success in this fight? I don't think shichibukai are opponents you can wing the fight with regular swords (refer to Zoro v Takohachi) although it is arguable that Zoro's ki should make up for whatever quality of sword he is using.

      Anybody else have thoughts on this? Agree/Disagree?

      3 bullets for shellbullet kazuma and santouryuu for zoro. Coincidence? I think not :laugh:

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        Moria a swordsman ? zoros opponent will probably be that guardian guy and I doubt they have two major swordsmen in one arch so Moria will probably fight by some other means.

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          In my opinion, the guardian was introduced, more or less, as Moria. Of course, this could be wrong and Zoro will end up fighting a no-namer.

          3 bullets for shellbullet kazuma and santouryuu for zoro. Coincidence? I think not :laugh:

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            You see, that guard is not Moria. Why the hell everybody here thinks that he is Moria? Why would Shichibukai be guardian in some shitty mansion?

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              Well, guardian in that mansion could mean power over the undead. I don't think its really THAT insignificant.

              3 bullets for shellbullet kazuma and santouryuu for zoro. Coincidence? I think not :laugh:

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                I don't think there are two swordsmen in the Shichibukai.But anyways, I'd say Moria would win.He's a Shichibukai with a higher bounty than Luffy's.You do the math. 😉

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                  You see, that guard is not Moria. Why the hell everybody here thinks that he is Moria? Why would Shichibukai be guardian in some shitty mansion?

                  Yes it doesnt make sense at all a Shichibukai with a former bounty higher then Luffys that has the ability to steal shadows why in hell would he be a guardian. The Shichibukai are supposed to be among the strongest pirates in one piece I doubt we will see any of them take orders.

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                    This seems like a Déjà-Vu. I remember when Spandam was waving around with his sword for the first time (while he was speaking on the Den Den Mushi) people started yelling that he´ll be Zoro´s opponent. Later on when Funkfrieds true ability was revealed people even more thought of him as Zoro´s opponent.

                    Seriously, while I don´t say that it can categorically can be ruled out that he´s Zoro´s opponent, we shouldn´t get carried away about a sword (especially if it´s not revealed that the swordsman is Moria).

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                      Yes it doesnt make sense at all a Shichibukai with a former bounty higher then Luffys that has the ability to steal shadows why in hell would he be a guardian. The Shichibukai are supposed to be among the strongest pirates in one piece I doubt we will see any of them take orders.

                      Exactly. They have pride enough to not take orders. And it seems that Gecko is really independet, (<– sorry for my spelling) since he didn't take part of that meeting in Holy Land. That must be why he is forming to be one of my favorite Shichibukais.

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                        If he is indeed Moria (which I doubt) Guardian could be a title for many things.

                        For example he might be the Guardian for the entrance to the New World positioned by the WG. Thriller Barque is right before the New World and if all those Zombies were pirates before, hes done his job.

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                        Luffy's Ballad

                        Saving Robin

                        Baroque Works Saga

                        East Blue Saga

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                          If he is indeed Moria (which I doubt) Guardian could be a title for many things.

                          For example he might be the Guardian for the entrance to the New World positioned by the WG. Thriller Barque is right before the New World and if all those Zombies were pirates before, hes done his job.

                          I don't think that's the case. First of all, Thriller Bark is a moving island. I assume it's been moving all over the Grand Line. 2nd, Fishman Island is between the Straw Hats present location in the Florian Triangle and the New World.

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                            @ Kma:

                            You forgot that Thriller Bark is a WANDERING ISLAND, which came straight from West Blue (#443, told by Brooke ), so it's not possible to be a stationary guardian for the entrance to NW or such things.

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                              I like how we know next to nothing about Moria (or anybody in this arc) and fight matchups are already being drawn up.

                              It reminds me of when we first saw Galley La, and people thought Zoro would fight Lucci because he carried a big saw around.

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                                @ Kma:

                                You forgot that Thriller Bark is a WANDERING ISLAND, which came straight from West Blue (#443, told by Brooke ), so it's not possible to be a stationary guardian for the entrance to NW or such things.

                                guardian could refer to guardian of the secret that lets all of these undead wander around. perhaps its some sort of undead army plotted by Moria.

                                anyways, i was just offering some postulation. it is possible that Moria is some big dude with a bunch of subordinates just like croc and that this "guardian" is just one of those subordinates. at the same time, i dont think it is outlandish that multiple shichibukai would brandish a sword or specialize, at least in part, in sword combat.

                                3 bullets for shellbullet kazuma and santouryuu for zoro. Coincidence? I think not :laugh:

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                                  I don't think there are two swordsmen in the Shichibukai.But anyways, I'd say Moria would win.He's a Shichibukai with a higher bounty than Luffy's.You do the math. 😉

                                  Um… Crocodile..

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                                    @Kma:

                                    If he is indeed Moria (which I doubt) Guardian could be a title for many things.

                                    For example he might be the Guardian for the entrance to the New World positioned by the WG.

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                                    guardian could refer to guardian of the secret that lets all of these undead wander around. perhaps its some sort of undead army plotted by Moria.

                                    No. I just used the term "guardian" in my translation because everybody was using it already and because it sounds more like an existent job in the mansion.
                                    ACTUALLY the kanji reads "bodyguard" or "bouncer". Bouncer as in the buff dude who kicks out unwanted guests in a discotheque. It's that kind of job. Okay?

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                                      If Moria is the guardian/bouncer, then Zoro will not fight him, Luffy will. If the guardian/bouncer is not Moria, then it's obvious Zoro will fight him.

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                                        I actually think that Luffy will not fight against him in this arc. I hope that it will be tag-team match in Gyojin Island. Now that would be cool.

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                                          Luffy has to fight! Why, do you think Brook should get the spotlight? Brook will defeat Moria?

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                                            Luffy has to fight!

                                            Maybe, but not in this arc.

                                            Why, do you think Brook should get the spotlight? Brook will defeat Moria?

                                            Actually, yes! Coolest tag-team match ever:
                                            Luffy vs Jinbei
                                            Brook vs Moria. And all this in Gyojin Island. Aww man, that would be cool.

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                                              Hell, yeah… Never thought about that, but it would be great for the SHs to follow somebody for sometime. Not the otherway 'round. Our beloved pirates are always chased by so many fucking-no-goods. Would be great to chase e.g. Moria somewhere ^^ Gyojin Island, like you said, AD-HD Pirate, perhaps.

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                                                Well, they can't, since Brook can't leave Thriller, or the Florian for that matter. My guess is:

                                                ! Luffy fights Moria for the shadows, and he loses but somehow gets the shadows free. Brook gets his shadow, joins and they leave. Moria "gets up" and decides to take Luffy's shadow, since it's so strong and heads off after him

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                                                  I was just throwing it out as an example.

                                                  Like I said though I dont even think the guy is Moria. In fact i sort of think hes the spider type guy. If you look at his eye there is an eye patch which looks to me like a spiderweb.

                                                  Also on the side of his shirt is that a Japanese character? It looks very much like the side of the word 龍 which means dragon (well in chinese, not sure about Japanese).

                                                  Not sure which scanlation you guys have but I have the one by Kotokas and KaNx. Its easier to see the word and and eyepatch in the KaNx version

                                                  My AMVs:

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                                                  Saving Robin

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                                                    If Moria is the guardian/bouncer, then Zoro will not fight him, Luffy will. If the guardian/bouncer is not Moria, then it's obvious Zoro will fight him.

                                                    Yup even though I would prefer someone else fighting a strong opponent for once it will be Luffy who fights Moria as he has every boss in every arch so far.

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                                                      Luffy has been starry eyed this whole arc. I wouldnt be suprised if when they confront Moria Luffy is so occupied looking at all the cool zombies and whatever else is around that the rest of the crew handles the battle and yelling at Luffy the whole time.

                                                      ::awaiting signature::

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                                                        I'm actually hoping for some sort of tag team battle. Its Jimbei and Gecko vs Luffy and Zoro at Fishman Island. But thats only if the guardian really is Moria.

                                                        Semper Fidelis!

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                                                          @DrunkenPanda:

                                                          I'm actually hoping for some sort of tag team battle. Its Jimbei and Gecko vs Luffy and Zoro at Fishman Island. But thats only if the guardian really is Moria.

                                                          one can hope but the odds are Luffy will defeat Moria alone and then Jimbei alone and the next main bad guy alone and the next and so on like he did with Kuro,Krieg,Arlong,Wapol,Mr 3,Croc,Bellamy,Enel,Foxy and Lucci.

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                                                            Pirates use swords, a lot, doesnt mean that they are swordsman.

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                                                              does the guardian have brook's laugh or is it just me

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                                                                will be great a fight Zoro vs Moria, because zoro would be the second Mugiwara member that defeat a schibukai.

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                                                                  He's already gonna beat Mihawk and tellone it's not just you, everyone has realized that the bouncer has Brook's laugh.

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                                                                    Yup even though I would prefer someone else fighting a strong opponent for once it will be Luffy who fights Moria as he has every boss in every arch so far.

                                                                    And Moria might very well not be the "boss" of this arc.

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                                                                      does the guardian have brook's laugh or is it just me

                                                                      Yeah when i first saw him I immediately thought it was Brook.

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                                                                        I don't think the term "Guardian" or "Bouncer" or whatever directly means you receive orders from somebody. You can "guard" something out of your own conviction… I don't know if the this guard is Moria or whoever... we know nothing about both of them

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                                                                          Oh come on, we don't know enough about this to make a whole thread about it. >__>;

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                                                                            most likely the guardian is the 2nd strongest menber in Moria's crew…my opinion is zoro will fight him wif 2 swords and eventually win...and luffy will definitely be fighting e shadow stealer Moria..

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                                                                              Or Brook, but that's pushing it.

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                                                                                Or Brook, but that's pushing it.

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                                                                                  I can't wait to see what Moria looks like, he sounds awesome.

                                                                                  Apart from the fact he's a bad guy.

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                                                                                    Bad guys can't be awesome? Allow me to introduce you to Mihawk.

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                                                                                      @Impel:

                                                                                      Bad guys can't be awesome? Allow me to introduce you to Mihawk.

                                                                                      When was it ever confirmed that Mihawk was a bad guy?

                                                                                      If anything, Mihawk's been very tolerant of that green haired upstart who had the nerve to interrupt him during his fight with Don Krieg. A true bad guy in the same situation would have split Zoro into three pieces, said something rude about "dreams" to Luffy and sailed off into the sunset. By doing what he did, Mihawk actually helped Zoro (ok – I know that sounds bizarre, but just keep reading ...).

                                                                                      We know from what Zoro told Sanji that he (Zoro) had been recklessly "throwing his life away" in persuit of his dream. So we can infer from it that Zoro wasn't focusing realistically on his goal, so much as just wandering around impatiently, hoping for the day when he'd (literally) cross paths with Mihawk. And that's exactly what happened at Baratie : Zoro had no idea that Mihawk would be there, and because of that, Zoro was unprepared for the fight. But since he already considered himself "dead" at that point, he had no problem with challenging Mihawk anyways -- because dying while fighting Mihawk would be better than dying fighting some nameless East Blue pirate.

                                                                                      Mihawk -- and basically everyone else (even Johnny and Yosaku, which is really saying something!) -- could tell right away that Zoro would not be able to defeat Mihawk, but there was no easy way to get Zoro to back down from the fight, because to do so would be to lose his pride (and we all know from DBF that Zoro would rather "die" than lose his pride). So the fight had to continue until the point at which Zoro could no longer fight, because as long as he could still fight, he would ... and if he kept fighting for too long, he'd die.

                                                                                      So Mihawk's decision to wound Zoro was actually quite strategic -- not only was it a fine example of top-tier swordmanship (and one that would stay with Zoro forever in the form of a scar across his chest), but it was also an effective way to stop Zoro from fighting till his death.

                                                                                      Still think Mihawk is a bad guy?
                                                                                      Read on:

                                                                                      After Mihawk wounded Zoro, he could have simply said "take that, stupid brat!" and sailed off into the sunset, but instead, he stuck around long enough to salvage Zoro's pride -- by speaking respectfully to him in front of all the on-lookers (Zeff : "why would Mihawk say something like that ...?") -- and then, as if that wasn't enough, by giving Zoro a little pep talk/ "To Do list", which was as follows:

                                                                                      (1) "know yourself ..."
                                                                                      In other words, stop trying to live someone else's life and live your own instead. (Or, to be blunt about it : stop trying to be Kuina, start trying to be Zoro)

                                                                                      (2) "know the world ..."
                                                                                      In other words, East Blue is not the planet, it's only one small part of it, and if you judge everything by East Blue standards, you won't survive in the places that don't resemble it.

                                                                                      (3) "become stronger ..."
                                                                                      Mental, emotional, spiritual, physical, etc ... : because you can't be considered "the strongest" until you've got strength in several areas, as the New World pirates and Shichibukai do.

                                                                                      (4) "use your will to surpass me ..."
                                                                                      This is basically Mihawk's way of saying "stop being so damn reckless and stop being such a damn slacker -- take logical steps towards your goal instead of passively waiting for your goal to find you".

                                                                                      So what has Zoro been doing since then?

                                                                                      Training; taking an active role among the Mugiwara (when he's not sleeping, that is ...); fighting battles when necessary -- avoiding them when not; thinking about difficult things (like Usopp's return to the crew) that others hadn't always given serious thought to; not letting "even death himself" take his life; focusing on his goal in a pro-active way.

                                                                                      So no, Mihawk is not a bad guy.
                                                                                      Mihawk is a mentor.

                                                                                      "Over-thinking,

                                                                                      over-analyzing …"

                                                                                      ......-- Tool (from Lateralus)

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                                                                                        Didn't Zoro ALREADY have the dream of beating Mihawk?

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                                                                                          @Impel:

                                                                                          Didn't Zoro ALREADY have the dream of beating Mihawk?

                                                                                          He did, but he didn't know how to go about it properly.
                                                                                          Mihawk taught him how to go about it properly.

                                                                                          That's pretty considerate, eh?

                                                                                          "Listen punk, I know you want to defeat me really badly, but the thing is you're going about it all wrong. If you REALLY want to kick my ass, you've got to do it like so …"

                                                                                          "Over-thinking,

                                                                                          over-analyzing …"

                                                                                          ......-- Tool (from Lateralus)

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                                                                                            I'm thinking it would be best to decide if the one panel of a third of a guy really is Moria or not.

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