Besides, it never said Ace was dead, or even defeated, it was, however, implied that he lost. Still doesn't mean it's true.
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All it showed was Ace's hat, which had been off his head for a few pages before the climax. It implied his loss but even Luffy has been defeated and left for dead before by Crocodile.
I think that Ace is alive, however very unhappy.
He could have just dropped his hat when he jumped for joy at BB's death.
Fellow members of AIDS (Ace Is Dead Scoiety), the time has come for us to stand up and defend our ideals! Death to Poochy!
Fine, you make your argument, I'll make mine:
Even if Ace failed in his attack, why would BB have killed him? He was using an absorbtion move at the time that Ace slammed him with the Sun.
Here are the reasons why it's OK for Ace to die:
1. It makes Shank's confrontational and world-shaking encounter with Whitebeard valid and important. Shank's whole reason for going was to stop Ace from meeting Blackbeard because he was going to get himself killed!! 2. Killing Ace would make Blackbeard's evilness and importance multiply 200x.
3. It would prove that Ace was willing to sacrifice his own life for Luffy and for Whitebeard.
4. Ace may have wounded Blackbeard somehow, making it easier for Luffy when Luffy has to fight him and avenge Ace.
5. It's OK to kill him because Hogback can revive dead people.
6. Ace might lose his Devil Fruit powers and even become afraid of fire because he's a zombie, which would be very ironic.
Now, I think that Blackbeard killed Ace and then sucked him into the black hole, so he would be "carrying" the body, he would just have it with him in his black hole smoke.
We know that BB is serious about chasing Luffy's crew, and so they aren't just going to sit around. Oda hasn't hyped up all of this for nothing! And he also hasn't introduced a guy who can revive dead people for no reason!
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Ace actually lost his hat during the middle of the fight. He is not wearing it in the final attack.
I don't want Ace to be dead but that dosent mean I don't think he is. I think its 50/50.
Ace's last words, about being a man, I think he would hate himself if he let BB capture him. I dont know he kinda of strikes me as those at least give me a warriors death kinda guy. I want to see a backstory of him though, meeting up with WB and becoming 2nd commander…
Why does Ace have to be afraid of fire if he becomes a zombie? What if it has the opposite effect and he becomes a zombie that can withstand fire. That would be just as much of a twist.
Zombies hate fire. Everyone knows that. Look it up on Wiki.
It really just depends on what Oda chooses to do, but I think that the way he has set it up will lead to the events I predicted. But in any case, a man has to stick his chest out and make predictions with a DON~!!
Or maybe BB AND Ace were killed in the attack, and Jesus Burgess is the new BB captain.
And you win the award of stupidest idea of the year. Oda isn't going to kill a villain he just built up so much. Common sense please.
Yeah, like I was being serious. Geez, give Impel-chan a little credit.
Hahaha!
When is this damn issue going to come out so I can be proven right/wrong already? My brother is almost crapping himself for the chance to laugh at me.
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I really doubt Hogback was introduced so Ace can be revived. Why would Oda kill Ace just to bring him right back? I think thats kind of cheap.
I also think theres more to the end of the Ace and BB fight than we know.
::awaiting signature::
Moria Is going to be all like geez guys chill out here have some shadows. And then it rains shadows. And after the torrential downpour of shadows a huge ghost ship crashes into Thriller Bark and it turns out the ship is The Oro Jackson…and then Zombie Michael Jackson Comes out of the ship and leads the Zombies in a fantastic dance number.
Because its a Little known fact that MJ was Roger's musician.
Oh and if this doesnt come true I'm soooo QUITTING ONE PIECE1!1!1
I doubt Moria even cares about the rest of them. He'll be all: "I need shadows to live, so I chill here on Thriller and take shadows, so leave me alone, you straw hat condom."
I have some theories of mine and I put them here since is an egocentrical idea to make a new post:
-Blackbeard has killed Ace after a brutal fight, he takes the body to the Marijoea headquarters where they will find another Shichibukai meeting, Mihawk will recognize Teach from Whitebeard ship and the rest of Shichibukai and Sengoku accept him as a new Shichibukai member.
-Gorousei talks with Blackbeard, they say to him that Shanks must die, no one in the Navy is able to do this because no one wants to kill him really and the power of the Red-Hair pirate is to destroy all the will of the others against him. We will learn why Mihawk doesn´t want to fight against Shanks, is not the arm, is the fact that if you want to defeat him you will have the strong will to defeat him.
-Zoro will lose against Moria but the Shichibukai will finish the fight with more than injure and will start to have fear of the Zoro. Because of this Zoro will stuck in Thriller Bark until he defeats Moria.
-The only man in the Strawhat crew that will defeat Moria will be Luffy, thanks to this Brooke will recover his shadow and become Zoro replacement for the next arc.
-Mermen Island is one of the frontier Islands with the New World, here we will see 3 big pirate crews in the same scene, one Blackbeard crew, other Strawhat crew and the last one of the yonkou, Shanks who will appear to save Luffy in the last moment.
-Blackbeard will crush Luffy more easily than Crocodile, like the time that Freezer killed Vegeta but without Luffy death, Shanks will save him but this will cost him his own life, after this Blackbeard will become Luffy archenemy until the end of the series.
-Because Nami is with Zoro in Thriller Bark (he needs something for return and Brooke has navigation skills) and Luffy and the others injures with the exception of Robin and Chopper they will stuck in Mermen Island where they will know about the eternal war between Fishmen and Mermen.
Wow, that's really believeable, actually. Except, I think that Moria will beat Luffy, but Luffy gets his shadow anyway and Moria chases after him, but a Yonkou kills him in the end.
They haven't pased the red line yet so Fishman island can't be the first island of that area. I think Ace is alive the mor eI read that chapter. Auger;s words:Looks like our paths will cross again another time. Or something like that.
What about that note that Luffy hasn't even bothered to open yet? Wasnt Ace supposed to meet him there or something? So, after all this waiting Mr. Oda had made us suffer thru, he kills Ace to make Blackbeard more badass? UNLESS, of course Blackbeard and Luffy meet at the summit, and Luffy finds out then. But I think that if Ace was killed by blackbeard, then it'd cycle around the world pretty quickly.
Anyway, Yeah…......I believe Ace is alive. Too many mysteries unsolved about this character just o get rid of him or to have a short little break down about him after his death :getlost:
Urian I am stunned by your theory….......
1. Blackbeard has a plan, and the FIRST STEP in that plan is to kill Luffy. He's not going to abandon his plan because Ace stood in his way. If anything, he's going to beat Ace and use that to lure out Luffy.
2. Zoro will never EVER lose again. He promised Luffy, and you better believe he's going to keep that promise, because he is all about keeping his promises.
3. If Luffy beat Moria, why the heck would Zoro be stuck in Thrillerburke? And there's no way the crew would leave him behind.
And I could go on. Your whole theory has no basis whatsoever, whereas I have taken into account everything that Oda has established.
As I said before, Ace has to die in order to make Shanks' confrontation to Whitebeard valid, and also so that Blackbeard's rivalry with Luffy can be cemented, etc.
But yet Ace can't STAY dead, because he has to meet Luffy again at the Pirate's Summit, and there's just no way Oda would keep Ace dead anyway.
Therefore, Ace has to die, and then be brought back to life. Perhaps there will even be a "Phoenix" thing in there….................. Hmmmmmmmmmm.
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As I said before, Ace has to die in order to make Shanks' confrontation to Whitebeard valid, and also so that Blackbeard's rivalry with Luffy can be cemented, etc.
Ace doesn't HAVE to die. He could just be seriosuly injured or just captured. Oda doesn't kill characters with dreams… even if they are brought back to life, because then the audience will see that someone with a dream actually died. That's a no-no in Oda's book.
But I can only assume this. Maybe Oda will kill Ace, but not kill him off. But still... a character with a dream dying; would Oda do that?
sigh Oda'll just pull another Pell in the end and it will be one of those moments that we'll just have to bear, even if it's lame and anticlimatic, because we owe it to Oda for giving us so much awesome.
"My… grave...?" <- single worst moment in One Piece
That sounds like Ace. I hope Ace doesn't become Pell. Well, better than Chaka, I guess.
Huh? If your reading OP and you complain about someone joining then quit now… Oda doesn't give the fan boys what they expect 9/10 of the time. Expect the last two crew members to be even stranger. If you can't accept this idea then stop reading OP because you are not a fan. 80% of the major figures in OP are strange... Deal with it and don't expect anything less.
Sorry I'm sick of people complaining about members who may join and saying they'll quit OP if they join. So what, I don't like Sanji and Usopp ... I'm not gonna stop reading because they are on the crew. :getlost:
I'm a big fan, if I weren't I wouldn't have bothered to join here. :P
I hate the character, he's dumb and we haven't seen him ever since the beginning of the arc. e , for all we know, could be a bad guy.
And I'd LOVE that. :B
Another thing, I think I've gone over this about athousand times in a black beard thread, Luffy Needs nothing special to beat BB, He's always had it, It's his spirit. And with that spirit he'll totaly beat the shit out of black beard, and when black beard has absorbed more then he can handle, just like a real black hole he'll go kaboom. :3
The Pirate's Summit is an awkward translation, not an actual place. Ace was encouraging Luffy to continue his Quest for Greatness
. He's still allowed to die.
I'm a big fan, if I weren't I wouldn't have bothered to join here. :P
I hate the character, he's dumb and we haven't seen him ever since the beginning of the arc. e , for all we know, could be a bad guy.
And I'd LOVE that. :BAnother thing, I think I've gone over this about athousand times in a black beard thread, Luffy Needs nothing special to beat BB, He's always had it, It's his spirit. And with that spirit he'll totaly beat the shit out of black beard, and when black beard has absorbed more then he can handle, just like a real black hole he'll go kaboom. :3
Like how Pell's spirit kept him from not dying?
This new chapter is making me nervous about my prediction….................!
But it's still super!
