Well… I find it hard to see a big, bloody fight (like Luffy vs Crocodile, Lucci and Eneru) happening in a mini arc. And I feel that in order to kill or defeat a Shichibukai, one of those big, bloody battles have to take place. But in a mini arc? I can't see it happening.
Chapter 448 - "Moria" Discussion
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I think it's really too soon to say what could happen. It is safe to assume, though, that Moria is rather…disagreeable, seeing as how he's walking around stealing shadows. Other than that, I think we just have to wait for the next chapter.
I, for one, am still dying to see Absalom! I can't believe we have to wait two weeks! I don't know if I can make it! I need my fix, man!
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I just noticed something. There is only one ghost, Perona.
Luffy said here:Luffy: It keeps multiplying as it dances!!
So this Perona guy can multiply himself. That's cool and all, but what the fuck he is? Since there is no magic in OP-world, only explanation is somekind devil fruit.
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@ AD-HD Pirate
Hey, you're right! o.o But aren't the ghosts saying "Negative negative" all the time? When I remember how intelligent Perona sounded when he/she was talking to Hogback, I can't imagine that he's/she's just saying one word when he's/she's facing an enemy… but of course, I can be wrong!@ topic
Hey, wait a second! While reading the chapter, one question came up to my mind: Why is Cindry full of scars? It doesn't look like she's sewed together...
Well, I mean we can see that her face is obviously her original one, especially her eyes. Was her accident so... destructive that her face had to be restored...? Or it's a little hint how the resurrection works? Well, maybe I just think too much and the scars are just cheap gimmicks... but I would have been more surprisingly when Cindry looked very normal and suddenly, the note of her accident appeared... :ninja:Huh, was... was the shadowless guy lying? I thought "PLOT TWIST!" when he said that he's just an old man with a big wound, because a living being on a ghost island...? Weird. Well, the zombies said that they're rotten, so they're are undead (I think)... argh, must-find-explanation x____x
When one of the zombies jumped out of his grave, it looked like he has the abilities of the awa awa no mi Calipha, what happened to you?
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@$abZ:
The arc is getting better though. But I cannot see Luffy and Moria having a big, bloody battle. In the other mini arcs we've seen… Luffy fights Smoker and it gets interupted, Luffy fights Bellamy (not the main villian, Donflamingo) and OHKO's him (without a big, bloody battle), and fights Aokiji in a short fight.
In each mini arc, he fights people that will come back later on in the series (except Bellamy, but Donflamingo will surely get Luffy for that fight). I think Gecko Moria will not just go down and lose to Luffy... Moria will live and remain free after this arc.
Moria can be a little hint for the main theme of this new saga. Remember that each saga had a little detail in the beginning that gave a preview of what it is to come:
-In East Blue, Nami, at the beginning, tells a few about her past and acts mysterious around a certain wanted criminal, giving a shadow for the ultimate boss of that saga.
-In Baroque Works, Luffy and cia arrive in an island inhabited by bounty hunters who work to a certain Shichibukai.
-In Skypea, a galleon falls from the sky. After some exploration, Luffy finds a Skypea map.
-In CP9, we meet Aokiji soon, who gives a clue about what will be the next events.
So, there is a chance of Moria become the boss saga, instead Doflamingo or even Jimbei.
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Moria can be a little hint for the main theme of this new saga. Remember that each saga had a little detail in the beginning that gave a preview of what it is to come:
-In East Blue, we meet Nami, who tells a few about her past and acts mysterious around a certain wanted criminal, giving a shadow for the ultimate boss of that saga.
-In Baroque Works, Luffy and cia arrive in an island inhabited by bounty hunters who work to a certain Shichibukai.
-In Skypea, a galleon falls from the sky. After some exploration, Luffy finds a Skypea map.
-In CP9, we meet Aokiji soon, who gives a clue about what will be the next events.
So, there is a chance of Moria become the boss saga, instead Doflamingo or even Jimbei.
That's true… if you mean that Moria will become the main boss of the next main saga. That is very possible. Whatever happens in this saga will very much be linked with the Merman Island saga. Maybe a war between Moria and Jimbei... or maybe Jimbei won't be in the Merman Island saga... but is finally revealed after the main saga. It's very confusing at the moment, but I'm convinced we wont see one of those big battles in this mini arc.
Also, I noticed that people are judging Shichibukai on their former bounties. Like Donflamingo... people think Luffy is almost as strong as him. But remember, it's former bounties...
... there's no doubt that a Shichibukai has gotten stronger whilst as a Shichibukai. The former bounty is only how wanted they were (which relates to power) in the past, when they were pirates.
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Maybe Moria has a high bounty because, if he can just steal shadows, then in a sunny day he could very well kill anyone by just ripping their shadow and letting the sun doing the rest. A very creepy villain in my opinion!
So, Moria becomes a Shitibukai and goes to Florian Triangle, since there he can amass kingdons of shadowless people to serve him and attack ships, unafraid of the World Government since now they are allies.
Maybe Moria now has turned his attention to mermen Island? Since it is underwater, the sun would be no problem, and he would conquer a passage to the New World AND one of the world's most powerful species?
This last part was speculation of course, but like I said before, he is a very creepy villain!
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For what do you all thing stands this arc???
when not a fight between moria and luffy is the goal…what else should happen??
cant imagine that they dont go against the shadowthief..and for all we see up to now this is moria.....and brook needs his shadow to come out of the florian triangel....also this old man ask for helping him and the others to fight against moria....
also with absolom ,perona ,the guard, and moria their are really nive enemys for the SH.
and also you see this arc all as a side arc before mermanisland....maybe it isnt a sidearc and so it
s normal to fight a shichibukai or what????
after lucci luffy can only fight against shichibukai before the new world...don`t see any other big enemys before the new world who could be tough enough for luffy...to the guard.....you see his leg is like a mumie(with tapes...) so this could be brook cause so we dont see that the guard has a skinny leg....
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It's true that Crocodile doesn't have the immediate resemblence to a croc that Mihawk does to a hawk, or DoFlamingo does to a flamingo – but if you look closer, you'll see many similarities. For example, Crocodile's mouth extends across his face almost as far as his distinctive scar does. Croc's also nearly always "smiling" regardless of his feelings -- a trait that is commonly associated with crocodiles (and dolphins too), because of the shape of their mouth -- they can't "un-smile" without rearranging their jaw.
Croc's eyes are crocodile-like too : crocodile eyes often appear to be half-closed or "sleepy" (this gives the crocodile's prey a false impression that the animal is not paying attention. When the prey feels safe, it becomes careless around the croc, which of course means it also becomes dinner for the croc! ;)
Crocodiles move quickly and decisively, in spite of their somewhat "bulky" bodyshape. The same can be said of Croc as well. And finally, Croc's distinctive vest may not be the same color as a typical crocodile, but the pattern on the vest-fabic closely resembles the "armored" back and belly of a crocodile.
While I still don´t see any resemblences between Sir Crocodile and crocodiles I want at least thank you for explaining me the reasoning for your idea. Thanks. :happy:
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When Luffy will be a Shichibukai he will be called Monkey.
Sugeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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Maybe the reason why Cindry and all those Zombies have terrible scars were due to the Guardian?
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I'm intrigued by the bunny ear zombie. How diid he come to posses those bunny ears? There's something hidden under there.
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While I still don´t see any resemblences between Sir Crocodile and crocodiles I want at least thank you for explaining me the reasoning for your idea. Thanks. :happy:
It's not that he looks like a crocodile, he just shares similar traits. Just like Donquixote, Kuma, and Miawk all have animal-like traits.
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It's not that he looks like a crocodile, he just shares similar traits. Just like Donquixote, Kuma, and Miawk all have animal-like traits.
I know, but I don´t see any of those traits to be something that is exclusive to crocodiles. Mihawks eyes clearly resemble the ones of a hawk, hence the nickname. Doflamingos pink feather jacket of course can be connected to flamingos. Kuma big body aswell as the bear ears share traits of a bear. But Crocodiles appearanc itself doesn´t share anything IMO that you can connect with crocs. Thats why he needs the pets, to at least show some connection to his name.
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Crocodile behaves like a crocodile. He is sly and likes to take his time. Then in an instant he strikes the unsuspecting foe. Much like his Alabasta plot.
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Is that any different behaviour then the one from a snake?
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croc is called so because he has banana.crocs and he is so mean like a bad reptile..
also kuma hasnt really something with a bear to do instead of his size… mihawk also don
t look like a hawk but its in his name and he is called hawkeye what really more fits to a shooter.....like usopp or auger..... it
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I always figured Crocodile's connection to crocodiles had something to do with Peter Pan.
Croc having a hook, and Captain Hook having a hook 'cause a crocodile ate it and all.Maybe too farfetched…XP
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What happened to Croc's hand anyway? Does it say somewhere what happened to it? I'd ike to know.
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Well, Croc did have his green coat, and croc-like eyes. I just hope Oda doesn't give Moria gecko-like bug eyes… That'd be retarded... Stealing shadows seems like a very niche ability, though. Dunno how well this could work. It could be awesome and unique, or end up as another case of "they all can't be winners", like Califa's ridiculous bubble powers.
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Even if many reptilians share Crocodile's traits I don't think it matters because I doubt Oda has planned a snake-like character to appear later in the series with the same personality as Crocodile. Oda obviously thought that a crocodile was more fitting than any other reptilian. I'm looking forward to see how he handles Moria's looks and persona. :happy:
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I always figured Crocodile's connection to crocodiles had something to do with Peter Pan.
Croc having a hook, and Captain Hook having a hook 'cause a crocodile ate it and all.Maybe too farfetched…XP
Actually that sounds like the best explanation I've ever heard for Crocodile's name. GOOD JOB!
Maybe "Gecko" and all the business about the shadows is just a pun. Lizard is tokage (蜥蜴) in Japanese, shadow is kage (影). And geckos are lizards right? Pretty lame pun though.
Also: Why should Moria be the guardian? He's supposed to be a shichibukai. If he's such a terrible person, why would he go for a lousy job in Hogback's mansion? -
Also: Why should Moria be the guardian? He's supposed to be a shichibukai. If he's such a terrible person, why would he go for a lousy job in Hogback's mansion?
Well if he's in a Bodyguard position, then he's likely getting paid. And considering Hogback's reknown as a top-class Surgeon, then he very well might benefit in some way from Hogback, maybe directly relating to his current "life research."
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Gecko the guardian? That is very likely.
The way the guardian was introduced… makes him seem like Gecko to me. Firstly, he appears at the end of a scene (Nami, Usopp and Chopper in the mansion scene). His face is not shown and also his name is not mentioned. But he looks bad-ass.
From then, the next scene is about Luffy and the others, which ends up with an old man telling Luffy to defeat a man called Moria.
Well, the chapter was called "Moria", we see some random, un-named, bad-ass lookin' guy appear at the closing of a scene. Then the next scene's purpose it for an old guy to recognize Luffy's strength and ask him to defeat Gecko Moria.
Why Moria would want to be a guardian, is weird. But I think he benefits from it somehow, and hasn't really be commanded to do it. Maybe he owes Hogback something, or is just simply... bored.
Maybe an opponant for Zoro? Likely. But, I still think there is a decent chance that Gecko may not be the guardian.
Overflooded with characters, fucks with my head.
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I always figured Crocodile's connection to crocodiles had something to do with Peter Pan.
Croc having a hook, and Captain Hook having a hook 'cause a crocodile ate it and all.Maybe too farfetched…XP
Not in the slightest. Its always a couple of years ago when I read it here so I can´t remember who said it, but I remember the content and I always retell it as best I can because I find this theory brilliant.
It goes like this that Crocodile is a homage to one of the most famous fictional pirates; Captain Hook. Crocodiles hook is the one thing. The other thing is his name and his huge pets. Furthermore his obsession with clocks (like the sandclock when he gave Luffy three times to play with OR hiding the bomb in the huge clock tower) are also a reference to Hooks obsession with the ticking of the clock that the crocodile swallowed. Coincidence? Intention? You decide.
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Maybe an opponant for Zoro? Likely. But, I still think there is a decent chance that Gecko may not be the guardian.
Zoro is already reserved to fight with the Shichibukai swordsman Mihawk, but who knows? Maybe that swordsman ghoul just can be a henchman like Chess or Porche.
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s also a kind of weird when zoro fights against moria who have a higher bounty than luffy…so no enemy is for luffy:wassat: can
t believe that zoro kicked geckos ass and luffy fights against noone in this arc and than formelly zoro is the one with the most power(cause he kicked the highest boss ass) and luffy will wait for jinbei that he will again the one who fights the enemy with the most power(when we decide this only on bountys what the only way up to now is we can compare some guys) -
But, maybe the guardian is somebody else, and is the opponant for Zoro.
If you weigh the things that hint Gecko being the guardian and Gecko not being the guardian on a balacing scale, both halves would be almost level.
However Gecko being the guardian more likely, in my opinion. It's the introdcution and the purpose of the chapter that hints it for me. Moria is the name of the chapter, so it would only be fitting that Moria is the guy with the sword at the end of one scene and the guy talked about in the end.
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If these theories turned true and the guardian IS Moria, and Zoro DOES fight him, I don't think I'd have much reason to complain. Luffy had issues with being strong enough to protect everyone, and he's dealt with that need to a certain extent by helping Robin and taking on the WG directly (plus developing new attacks). If Zoro fights Moria, this would merely harken back to the Arlong Park message of "I can't do this alone, I need my friends to help." The story isn't revolved entirely around fights… if a strong swordsman appears Zoro should fight them, and if its a Shichibukai, so much the better.
Granted, that's a lot of ifs considering that I don't think the guardian is Moria to begin with… but I think it'd add some interesting dimension anyhow.
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If Luffy did beat Moria, his bounty may still not change since they are on a small traveling island, and the WG may not know about the battle
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@$abZ:
That's true… if you mean that Moria will become the main boss of the next main saga. That is very possible. Whatever happens in this saga will very much be linked with the Merman Island saga. Maybe a war between Moria and Jimbei... or maybe Jimbei won't be in the Merman Island saga... but is finally revealed after the main saga. It's very confusing at the moment, but I'm convinced we wont see one of those big battles in this mini arc.
After reading this thread, I have to ask: why can't a the Shs beat a shichibukai without it turning into another long-ass, super epic arc? As cool as those are, there are over a dozen of these world power members. Should we go through 13 alabastas before the series ends?
I think it's very likely that a few of these guys will fall short of that.
Also, I noticed that people are judging Shichibukai on their former bounties. Like Donflamingo… people think Luffy is almost as strong as him. But remember, it's former bounties...
So, would that mean that, if Crocodile was actually a 160 bounty pirate, based on that SBS, then Luffy beat someone with a powerlevel of over 160 million? I mean, what's the difference? It's still the same Crocodile, regardless of bounty.
Sorry, but I think we're overrating even the shichibukai by a little bit. Maybe he didn't get stronger, why is the frozen bounty just "his minimum?" What does it really matter? This "the frozen bounty means there even stronger" idea only confuses the bounty system even more.
… there's no doubt that a Shichibukai has gotten stronger whilst as a Shichibukai. The former bounty is only how wanted they were (which relates to power) in the past, when they were pirates.
I don't get the logic here. Why would becoming a shichiubkai make them stronger? If anything, it seems like the life of a pirate would be tougher then the life of a shichibukai.
For that matter, I think we're overrating the shichibukai here, at least Donflamingo and Kuma. Sorry, but if Gekko Moria has a higher bounty, then if Luffy beats him these guys are stuck as side characters. I mean, Kuma screams "secondary," his bounty was shown as second to Donflamingo and now Luffy passed it. He's probably either going to get beat by a stronger world power member, or by someone like Sanji or maybe even Chopper. Or zoro if he has a sword.
For that matter, people are really underestimating the other SHs to. Why is Luffy the only one is league to fight these guys? Last I checked, the difference in power between SHs wasn't that great. Plus, looking back, with the help of water why couldn't Zoro or Sanji beat Crocodile? Luffy was faster and stronger then Croc by a long shot, and at the point of the series Zoro and Sanji were probably even faster then Luffy.
As for that "frozen bounty thing," if all the shichibukai have frozen bounties, then how does this mean in rating their strength? Even if Don's bounty today would be higher then it was before, then shouldn't the shichibukai with higher bounties still be higher?
Really, I think poeple are justing bringing up "frozen bounties" to rationalize why Donflamingo and Kuma are getting an arc despite the fact that Luffy seems to be passing them. Luffy and Donflamingo's fighting style don't even seems to mesh.
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After reading this thread, I have to ask: why can't a the Shs beat a shichibukai without it turning into another long-ass, super epic arc? As cool as those are, there are over a dozen of these world power members. Should we go through 13 alabastas before the series ends?
We're only half way through OP. Anyway, you've misunderstood. I said that in a mini arc, I personally don't expect to see a big, bloody fight. For all we know, Luffy may defeat two Shichibukai's in the next main arc… I said nothing against that.
So, would that mean that, if Crocodile was actually a 160 bounty pirate, based on that SBS, then Luffy beat someone with a powerlevel of over 160 million? I mean, what's the difference? It's still the same Crocodile, regardless of bounty.
It is the same Crocodile, but I'm just saying that since it's not stated whether a Shichibukai has gotten stronger after becoming one, so going by former bounties isn't all that reliable.
Sorry, but I think we're overrating even the shichibukai by a little bit. Maybe he didn't get stronger, why is the frozen bounty just "his minimum?" What does it really matter? This "the frozen bounty means there even stronger" idea only confuses the bounty system even more.
Not really… but all I can say that this is all opinion. It doesn't really confuse the bounty system. The actual bounty shows around about how dangerous an opposition is.
I don't get the logic here. Why would becoming a shichiubkai make them stronger? If anything, it seems like the life of a pirate would be tougher then the life of a shichibukai.
Yeah, that's true. But again… we can only guess... and I don't see why a Shichibukai can't become stronger as one. Some may choose to fight a lot, like Gecko stealing shadows or something.
As for that "frozen bounty thing," if all the shichibukai have frozen bounties, then how does this mean in rating their strength? Even if Don's bounty today would be higher then it was before, then shouldn't the shichibukai with higher bounties still be higher?
I didn't understand the last part there.
EDIT: Man I'm tired.
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There´s also the slight possibility that Moria won´t get defeated in this arc. This arc still strikes me to be a mini arc, like Drum before Arabasta, Jaya before Skypiea and Longring Longland before Water 7. All of these arcs had their own antagonist with Wapol, Bellamy and Foxy who were far beyond Luffy´s level but still needed a while to beat due to handicaps (against Wapol Luffy didn´t fight because he was carrying wounded crewmates, against Bellamy he decided not to fight and against Foxy it was a game which was different from an actual fight).
The point is that in these miniarcs big players got introduced, no matter if by name, silhouette, or real appearance. In Drum Blackbeard and got intorduced to the story. In Jaya Doflamingo, Kuma and Sengoku got introduced. In Longring Longland Aokiji, Akainu and Kizaru got introduced (of which Aokiji was the first biggie to ever get in contact with the protagonists in a mini arc).
This arc still strikes me as a mini arc. And the introduction of Moria so far could follow the lines of the characters I discribed above. The only thing that is different now is that unlike with Aokiji who fought and beat Luffy, Moria actually needs to be defeated to save the people of this island.
It is a very valid assumption that Moria gets defeated in this arc. I´m just saying that it still is possible that this remains the mini arc it used to be which means it´s unlikely that a Shichibukai gets taken down that easily.
The question is why Moria is on that island in the first place? Is he perhaps helping Hogback because he brought Cindry back for him/still in process bringing Cindry back to him as she once was. I know I´m reading very deep with this, but the "I did stupid things for the love of a woman" isn´t a unthinkable concept. To be honest, judging from Cindry´s room I´m sure that this concept is taking place in this arc right now. The question is, who´s room that is. Hogbacks? Hildons? Morias? Or from someone else. If it in fact is Moria who´s obsessed with Cindry then there would be his reason for helping Hogback. That way possibly everybody could get what he wants in the end withough Moria truly fighting the Strawhats until a later bigger arc.
Ok the later parts are all highly speculative but I just don´t see a Shichibukai fall in a arc that´ll not last 30 chapters (if it really turns out to be such an arc).
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Man the real identity of the Guardian is really intriguing…
So far I guess we have 3 possible scenarios
- He's a guardian, yet to learn more
- He is Gecko Moria
- Brooke or Brooke's shadow
I personally would like it to be scenario 2 and that Zoro would end up fighting him to switch things up a bit. I also hope that the katana the guardian has on his hilt is a demon splitter, 1st or 2nd generation.
Of course whatever Oda comes up with though will be pure genius
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This chapter should have come with a warning:
100% Untainted Awesome: Contents may kick ass!
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@$abZ:
From then, the next scene is about Luffy and the others, which ends up with an old man telling Luffy to defeat a man called Moria.
I think that makes it actually less likely that the guardian is Moria… too easy. But oh well.
His face is not shown and also his name is not mentioned. But he looks bad-ass.
To me, he doesn't look THAT bad-ass, just like a zombie samurai. Which makes him a Zorro opponent. And Luffy always gets to fight the arc's boss. Always. No exceptions. So I'd call another "unlikely" here. How would the shadow stealing stuff fit with a swordsman anyways..? Also, his way of speaking is a bit too humble (in fact, he sounds like Brook, not only the laughing). And the portrait zombies just called him "oh it's you" and "oh the guardian". I don't expect these manners nor reactions when it's such a terrible man we're talking about. Brook was terrified, the old man was terrified, even Robin was terrified.
And I'd say the chapter title was "Moria" just because nothing else happened which would make a good chapter title.
Adding the thing of why would such a dangerous man work as the bouncer for a mad surgeon, who seems to be after bounties, instead of being after the bounties HIMSELF, I'd say there are more clues speaking AGAINST the theory that the guardian is Moria than there are clues speaking for it. -
Honestly, I'm hoping the guardian is Gecko Moria
I'm also wondering if perhaps the reason his laugh is the same as Brooke's (if he is the guardian), is if they aren't brothers or relatives of some kind, and they had a feud or some kind of struggle over Cindry.
The sword screams that the guardian will fight Zoro and he will get that sword, but I cannot see Zoro defeating a Shichibukai while he himself is down a sword. Especially not one whose bounty is frozen even higher than Luffy's.
At any rate, the presence of a 300+ (frozen, and possibly quite a bit higher) Shichibukai on this island has thrown the whole thing off the predictable course. The presence of a member of the world powers has made this alot more tense.
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Question, has anyone addressed the "6 Hundred Million 'Beru' " issue anywhere in the thread? Because I've been wondering if it was a simple error or something.
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Hey, you're right, it is "Beru". Probably just a mistake.
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The question is why Moria is on that island in the first place? Is he perhaps helping Hogback because he brought Cindry back for him/still in process bringing Cindry back to him as she once was. I know I´m reading very deep with this, but the "I did stupid things for the love of a woman" isn´t a unthinkable concept. To be honest, judging from Cindry´s room I´m sure that this concept is taking place in this arc right now. The question is, who´s room that is. Hogbacks? Hildons? Morias? Or from someone else. If it in fact is Moria who´s obsessed with Cindry then there would be his reason for helping Hogback. That way possibly everybody could get what he wants in the end withough Moria truly fighting the Strawhats until a later bigger arc.
Ok the later parts are all highly speculative but I just don´t see a Shichibukai fall in a arc that´ll not last 30 chapters (if it really turns out to be such an arc).
I highly doubt that a Shichibukai's goal is for sentimental reasons. I mean these are super powered pirates who have shown to have world wide effecting goals. Look at Crocodile for instance, he wanted to find Pluton and take over the world. Doflamingo wants to start a "New Era" where only the strong survive. The Shichibukai seem to play for much higher stakes than for a woman. Moria stealing a bunch of shadows and keeping everyone down in the Florian triangle is but a mystery. Can we really say that Moria is helping Hogback? or Vice Versa?…..or is Moria using everyone in the grand scheme of things? Most possibly the third assumption.
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Things are far too complicated with this revelation to draw any reasonable conclusions.
But a few things to consider. What we just saw was the biggest Luffy Crew 'group' attack yet. (I know there's some thing in the animation but we're talking comic) Now….Oda is building up Flamingo right? Yet his former bounty was just barely over Luffy's. And given how Oda has been 'saving' him up, it seems he's going to be quite a foe.
Now....if Oda were to introduce Gecko as a mere 310,000,000-340,000,000 that would fail the genre trends for two reasons:
1. It would steal the shock value of odds stacked massively against the hero.
2. It would be strange to have something so close to another Shichibukai.
Yes, we know that bounty doesn't exclusively relate to strength and that individuals may have increased their strength/abilities considerably since their former status as pirates, but it seems odd for him to have something in the 310-340 range.
That said, it would be strange for Luffy to take on someone of such great 'potential' alone. Since we see the team working together here, do you think it might be possible if they work together to take down the villain should he have a massive bounty? Either that, or do you think the possibility exists that we may see the villain escape and join forces? That would allow for a relatively swift arc.
BUT
This all hinges on the mystery of the shadows. Whomever it is that's directly linked to the stealing of shadows (and from the way it sounds according to Brooke's brief tale it may indeed be Gecko) we're going to require some resolution there before moving ahead. Crew member or not, Brooke requires resolution to bring the arc to a close one way of the other, and that depends on his shadow.
Just some food for thought.
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But a few things to consider. What we just saw was the biggest Luffy Crew 'group' attack yet. (I know there's some thing in the animation but we're talking comic) Now….Oda is building up Flamingo right? Yet his former bounty was just barely over Luffy's. And given how Oda has been 'saving' him up, it seems he's going to be quite a foe.
QFT. I always thouight that as well, I see Oda's pattern of always saving the more powerful and more important characters for later. For example, at the very start of One Piece we have seen a high profile character in Shanks enter into the story. Then I believe Mihawk was the next big player (how ironic for both Shanks and Mihawk to be rivals and to be inspirations for our young heroes). Then as you mentioned Greg, Oda shows Kuma and Doflamingo earlier than he does Moria, yet Moria is the runner up before these two. Lets not forget that Jinbei is SUPPOSED to be next (and here is a character that was introduced right after the Baratie arc) up for a villain. Like you said Greg I believe Oda saves the more powerful and important characters for later. Oda likes to build up and I beleive that's what he is doing.
Although, anything could happen. I really don't like theories but where would the fun be without a little speculation.
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Lets not forget that Jinbei is SUPPOSED to be next (and here is a character that was introduced right after the Baratie arc) up for a villain.
I'm sick !!..
When the hell is Jimbei SUPPOSE to be in the Fishman Island ?! and the Next arc too ?!..
Shichibukai SUPPOSE to be in the Grandline, they are hunting other pirates down.. So, they are SUPPOSE to moving around.. -
Question, has anyone addressed the "6 Hundred Million 'Beru' " issue anywhere in the thread? Because I've been wondering if it was a simple error or something.
I noticed and thought it'd be better not to mention to avoid confusion xD
The way it was printed, the capital "B" would stand for just "Bell". They do have the Belly symbol in their font though, they use it all of the time!! Maybe it's a misprint, like "D Hogback"…
I agree entirely with your last post by the way, Greg. But I'm not too sure about the teaming up.. if Moria turns out to be such a big threat, the only team up I could imagine storywise would be Luffy + Brook, with Brook doing something only he is capable of to distract Moria or paralyze him for a moment so Luffy can deliver the finishing blow. Something like that.Bounty talk is always complicated since we associate the bounty with strength, when it's actually representing the danger the wanted person means for the World Government. Enel would have had a 500M bounty due to his ability, and he was relatively difficult to handle. But when his ability got nullified by Luffy's ability he wasn't all that strong.
Moria's high bounty might come from his ability that he can take away people's shadows and they go "poof" when they're exposed to sunlight. On sunny days, that's an Instant Kill move, thus super dangerous to basically everybody. But apart from that he might be just as strong as all the other big players (Crocodile, Lucci, Enel..). So I wouldn't be that concerned about Moria having a higher bounty than Doflamingo although being earlier in line for an ass-kicking. -
Well, Greg summed up the Donflamingo/Moria bounty things pretty well. Bravo.
While it all depends on what happens, I too find it strange that Oda is introducing a shichibukai with a bounty over 300 million, which would possibilty surpass Donflamingo. What makes this more confusing, is if Donflamingo isn't a "big player" like his little exposition after 'killing' Bellamy suggests, then what's going on?
It just doesn't seem likely to me that he'll fight Luffy now. I mean, what could a fight with a mind control (or string user) vs. a super strong rubber make be like? Oda is creative, but I don't see how he can do with without the "I'm too strong for your control" cliche. Plus, while I could be wrong, does Donflamingo seem like the guy who takes punches as well as Croc or Lucci–gear 2 or 3 punches at that? That's why I suggest he may fight Robin or something.
In fact, maybe Donflamingo will play a huge part in Robin's story, like her "end boss." That whole "end of dreams" speech is vague enough that he could be a nemesis to Robin. After all, her Rio Polygryph dream could effect the entire world, making it in effect one of the most important dreams to "end." On top of that, Robin's bounty may remain lower then 300 million until the end of the series, at which point Luffy will be fighting guys with probably 1 billion+ bounties, i.e. the emperors.
Of course, a lot could happen. Hey, maybe Luffy will beat Don and make him join his crew? Who knows, but with this new development Donflamingo is a little bit of a mystery. But I don't think he's stronger then his bounty suggests.
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Bounty talk is always complicated since we associate the bounty with strength, when it's actually representing the danger the wanted person means for the World Government.
Yes, but, no.
So we all agree it's not as simple as strength. Right. But….at the end of the day....OP is still a shonen action/adventure comic and for all instensive purposes, we need to consider that a big part of their role is as an idicator of strength.
As far as teaming up, I agree that the chances are slim, but in the event that he has an insane bounty, I can see this arc easily dealing with that by such a manuever.
This of course was in response to a post that suggested whether or not we could wrap up an arc with a Shichibukai in a (comparatively) short amount of time. We're starting to see more characters come out of the woodwork so it doesn't seem like it's going to be as short and sweet as DBF but at the FANTASTIC pace it's moving along at, it doesn't seem like we'll be spending much more than a year (from right now) on the island, NOT including time spent on a potential flashback. I have no facts to base that on aside from the pace everyone is progressing at, but there you go. Remember, a year is equivalent to about 5 volumes and that seems like the perfect amount for an interesting and well-paced arc at this junction.
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It just doesn't seem likely to me that he'll fight Luffy now. I mean, what could a fight with a mind control (or string user) vs. a super strong rubber make be like? Oda is creative, but I don't see how he can do with without the "I'm too strong for your control" cliche. Plus, while I could be wrong, does Donflamingo seem like the guy who takes punches as well as Croc or Lucci–gear 2 or 3 punches at that? That's why I suggest he may fight Robin or something.
In fact, maybe Donflamingo will play a huge part in Robin's story, like her "end boss." That whole "end of dreams" speech is vague enough that he could be a nemesis to Robin. After all, her Rio Polygryph dream could effect the entire world, making it in effect one of the most important dreams to "end." On top of that, Robin's bounty may remain lower then 300 million until the end of the series, at which point Luffy will be fighting guys with probably 1 billion+ bounties, i.e. the emperors.
Man you are really tough on Doflamingo.
Actually, Oda can do alot with Doflamingo's powers. With an insane ability like that why wouldn't Luffy fight him? As far as Doflamingo taking hits, who knows but we can't say he can't, just because of his physique. Doflamingo is a Shichibukai for a reason and Crocodile has shown us that they can enhance themselves in more ways than one. I would not try and thwart there abilities.
Doflamingo's role will play a huge part in the ENTIRE One Piece World. The guy is trying to start a new era where dreams die and the strong survive. Remember Doflamingp's people were mocking the SH crew for believing about Sky island. Oda has been building Doflamingo up since Holy land and Bellemy's execution.
The more important and powerful characters are saved for later.
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Man you are really tough on Doflamingo.
I'm just saying, his bounty seems to be a good hint that he's not a Luffy opponent.
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ctually, Oda can do alot with Doflamingo's powers. With an insane ability like that why wouldn't Luffy fight him? As far as Doflamingo taking hits, who knows but we can't say he can't, just because of his physique. Doflamingo is a Shichibukai for a reason and Crocodile has shown us that they can enhance themselves in more ways than one. I would not try and thwart there abilities.
Well, you can say that for just about anyone. I'm saying that, while Oda is creative, it seems like Don's abilities are best tested against someone else.
Doflamingo's role will play a huge part in the ENTIRE One Piece World. The guy is trying to start a new era where dreams die and the strong survive. Remember Doflamingp's people were mocking the SH crew for believing about Sky island. Oda has been building Doflamingo up since Holy land and Bellemy's execution.
Actually, hasn't Donflamingo only appeared in that Bellamy scene? I agree that there's build-up, but with Luffy's bounty, I think that build-up may go somewhere else then "arc boss." There's a few things you can do with a shichibukai.
The more important and powerful characters are saved for later.
Yes, but a lot of the characters who have been saved aren't all fighting Luffy or arc bosses. Mihawk, for example, while a big part of Zoro's story will most likely fight Zoro right before Luffy's final fight.
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I'm interested in finding out when Gecko Moria became a Shichibukai. It would be very interesting if it was around ten years ago, at roughly the same time that Hogback disappeared.