Too me it doesn't really matter if it is 'ship' or 'division' or something else entirely. The the important piece of information in that panel is the word FIRST/1ST; and on a side note I strongly doubt that BB would give his first anything to anyone but his best man. This is the man that waited ?? years to get the best devil fruit (in his oppinion), and the became shichibukai just so he could get into freaking Impel down to get the strongest crew possible.
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I thought the translation was "1st division commander" but maybe I'm wrong? You're right I thought Shiryuu accepted the offer after Blackbeard freed the Level 6 prisoners, but I forgot he accepted it after giving Blackbeard the antidote to Magellan's poison.
Well, I'm thinking, maybe Shiryuu doesn't have his own ship, but is rather 2nd in command on Blackbeards ship, BB keeps him near as he is his right hand, or something like that.
Or it could simply be that Jesus joined with BB first, so BB made him first ship commander, it doesn't have to do anything with strength.
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I don't know where you guys see such a problem. WB's divission numbers didn't matter, so I don't think they will with Blackbeard either.
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@Devil:
I don't know where you guys see such a problem. WB's divission numbers didn't matter, so I don't think they will with Blackbeard either.
Yet, Marco the strongest was for the first division, Jozu the second strongest was for the third, and Vista who comes after Jozu was for the fifth division.
And it doesn't matter? Vista even said "Ace is our 2nd division commander. Of course he'd be able to stop an Admiral" as if the lower numbers couldn't do that.Maybe from division 6 to 15 it didn't matter as much who was stronger, rather who was a leader-type, and courageous. But what I've seen in the war looked like a clear ranking, and the numbers 1, 2, 3 and 5 seemed perfectly in order.
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Yet, Marco the strongest was for the first division, Jozu the second strongest was for the third, and Vista who comes after Jozu was for the fifth division.
And it doesn't matter? Vista even said "Ace is our 2nd division commander. Of course he'd be able to stop an Admiral" as if the lower numbers couldn't do that.Maybe from division 6 to 15 it didn't matter as much who was stronger, rather who was a leader-type, and courageous. But what I've seen in the war looked like a clear ranking, and the numbers 1, 2, 3 and 5 seemed perfectly in order.
Ace was the 2nd divission captain because it was the vacant position, as simple as that, Oda said all the divission captains have the same rank. Yeah, Marco is the strongest and he is the 1st divission captain, but that doesn't mean being the 1st divission captain makes you the strongest one, it's not like that. And I'm sure Vista only said that in the anime, here on the manga he says nothing of the sort: http://www.mangapanda.com/103-46286-7/one-piece/chapter-572.html ( if you didn't mean this scene, tell me )
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@Devil:
Ace was the 2nd divission captain because it was the vacant position, as simple as that, Oda said all the divission captains have the same rank. Yeah, Marco is the strongest and he is the 1st divission captain, but that doesn't mean being the 1st divission captain makes you the strongest one, it's not like that. And I'm sure Vista only said that in the anime, here on the manga he says nothing of the sort: http://www.mangapanda.com/103-46286-7/one-piece/chapter-572.html ( if you didn't mean this scene, tell me )
Yea I meant that scene, okay I didn't know it was Anime only. And to think I don't even like the anime anymore. Shame on me.
For most ranks I believe you are right, but for the divisions 1, 3 and 5 they were ranked in terms of strength as well.
Oda even made that clear by their fights as well, from how I see it. -
I think Blackbeard breaking down and acting sort of scared to Whitebeard was part of his overall evil/bad persona, and how he is not someone the reader is meant to like really. But he is definitely entertaining and everything he does and his crew does is fascinating and really brings a dynamism to the story. Anyway, Blackbeard basically "took" Whitebeard's DF blast right to his non-logia face, and was basically ok…. then he and his crew cruelly demolished Whitebeard? People saying Whitebeard kicked his ass have no idea what theyre talking about... if anything you can view BB's "you wouldnt kill your son" talk as sort of mocking WB almost
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I too am gravely annoyed by people saying "hurr durr Blackbeard got his ass kicked by a 72 year old dying man, he must be so weak!"
This "72-year old dying man" was the strongest fucking man in the world. He wrecked even Admiral Akainu when he was enraged.
And boy was he enraged at Blackbeard as well. We've seen before how people, even gravely wounded, push out a lot of strength when angry at somebody (Luffy vs. Lucci is a good example). But oh, when the strongest man in the world manages to do it, his opponent was soooo weak and shouldn't be a Yonko right now, right?No, you would have preferred to see Whitebeard going down easily to Blackbeard, instead of his last epic moment right now.
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^highly doubtful. Blackbeard was scared shitless in that situation and thought he was going to die because he knew what Whitebeard- even half-head- was capable of. Saying it was all an act is just you trying to maintain your flawless picture of Blackbeard's character.
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^highly doubtful. Blackbeard was scared shitless in that situation and thought he was going to die because he knew what Whitebeard- even half-head- was capable of. Saying it was all an act is just you trying to maintain your flawless picture of Blackbeard's character.
Iiiiii hope you were talking to AbnormallyNormal?
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Too me it doesn't really matter if it is 'ship' or 'division' or something else entirely. The the important piece of information in that panel is the word FIRST/1ST; and on a side note I strongly doubt that BB would give his first anything to anyone but his best man. This is the man that waited ?? years to get the best devil fruit (in his oppinion), and the became shichibukai just so he could get into freaking Impel down to get the strongest crew possible.
We've discussed this before, I believe, but wouldn't hurt to go through my thoughts once again, I think.
The concept of 'the first mate' usually goes on pair with right-hand man who is both second in strength after Captain of the crew and is usually shown to be quite intelligent (see Ben Beckman or Rayleigh). Now, Burgess never really stroke me as second-in-strength and he's clearly not the brain guy either. If we're to compare Blackbeard Pirates to Strawhats obviously Shiliew has to be #2 as he will probably be facing off against Zoro.
Why first ship then? If it's actually about having multiply ships now then it can be related to joining order.
I really don't feel like leaning towards that though. After all talk about only getting the strongest people and having crew positions shown they decide to expand? Would be too illogical, don't you think? I don't recall Oda ever building things up in a certain way to just throw it all way. -
@Al!naJames:
And I don't think they're talking about how crew gathered up to kill him, it wasn't that low to be honest, it's not like Whitebeard was there alone, come on. But about how BB went "Zehahaha, I'm all badass now, I've got thi- SLAM -oooh-no-no, daddy please don't kill me, I'm your son, kya-kya!"
Can't really agree with this though. We've seen whole crew almost die stupidly two times and Blackbead just laughed it off with "fate decides who lives or who dies, nothing we can do". If that's not throwing your life away on a whim than I don't know what is.
See the thing is when Blackbeard started acting scared and begging to Whitebeard it seemed almost playful or sarcastic to me. Obviously that's not something that I can prove but just going by his general personality so far he seems to say a lot of insincere bullshit just for the fun of it. And when you were trying to make a point that BB didn't seem to care too much when he was about to die (for instance when they were poisoned, you made a good point here though) wouldn't that actually backfire on your own theory that he was be scared of WB? Are you trying to say a punch from Whitebeard scared him more than dieing itself?
Either way, IF he were genuinely scared in that situation I'm still not quite sure that makes him a coward. I mean nothing you can say will change the fact that he has willingly fought two of the strongest guys in the world and he commands a crew of seriously sinister dudes that freakin' terrify most people.
By your logic you could call a war soldier a coward because he freaked out ONCE and ran away even though he's been through two tours of war. Perhaps that puts things into perspective? A coward is someone who's too much of a bitch to put his life on the line or even raise a fist against someone. It's NOT someone who commands a crew of the some of the most violent and dangerous people in the world. Sorry it's just not.
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By your logic you could call a war soldier a coward because he freaked out ONCE and ran away even though he's been through two tours of war. Perhaps that puts things into perspective? A coward is someone who's too much of a bitch to put his life on the line or even raise a fist against someone. It's NOT someone who commands a crew of the some of the most violent and dangerous people in the world. Sorry it's just not.
There's a big difference between being scarred, shaking-crying from fear and even running away (see how Usopp does it) and going "daddy please don't kill me" in from of a person whom you declared war against and were just mocking. Usopp is not a coward despite all of his actions, but what BB did there was pathetic to the max.
I agree that it's not what he usually does, it was kinda out of character, possibly because of how iconic Newgate was to him personally. Still, it happened.
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Notice how he said the ONE thing that could possibly hurt Whitebeard emotionally and make him pause. One might interpret that a calculated form of manipulation. It was like he was trying to stab WB in the heart with words by mocking the one thing he and his crew really feel strongly about (sense of family).
Also Blackbeard didn't even run away, he stood back up and he killed WB… I think we could discuss this until we're blue in the face but this part of the story is open to interpretation and we'll probably just have to agree to disagree. Honestly though if Oda came out and said Blackbeard was genuinely just scared of WB I'd still like him all the same anyways.
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See the thing is when Blackbeard started acting scared and begging to Whitebeard it seemed almost playful or sarcastic to me.
Teach wasn't being sarcastic here: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/17702/one-piece_ch576_by_franky-house/8
Can someone even sweat on purpose?Either way, IF he were genuinely scared in that situation I'm still not quite sure that makes him a coward.
Challenging someone while being overconfident and then begging for you life makes him a coward. Hell, he was so scared that he asked the help of his entire crew.
@Al!naJames:
Now, Burgess never really stroke me as second-in-strength and he's clearly not the brain guy either.
Burgess probably annoyed the hell out of Teach to be captain of the first ship. "I'm the strongest therefore I belong to the first ship!! Gimme that pos captain!" "Ok, whatever, takes it".
@Al!naJames:
After all talk about only getting the strongest people and having crew positions shown they decide to expand? Would be too illogical, don't you think? I don't recall Oda ever building things up in a certain way to just throw it all way.
Actually it would make sense for him to expand his crew, a crew like Whitebeard. Isn't his masterplan to be the strongest? He will have to take over the New world for that. Having a huge crew will allow him to put his mens on every part of the New world. I'm looking at it this way: In a long-term, Kaido and Big Mom are going down against the alliances, and if he wins against Shanks he will be the last remaining emperor.
He will gain a lot of allies and he will become the most dangerous man for the WG. Huge crew + allies is pretty much the same pattern as WB, but WB didnt want to conquer anything. Now with Teach in command it's another story. But it does not change the fact that his original crew will remain the strongest ones and they will fight the Shs.
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Notice how he said the ONE thing that could possibly hurt Whitebeard emotionally and make him pause. One might interpret that a calculated form of manipulation.
Yeah, that could pass as an explanation if only the look on his face wasn't a
. You can listen to his voice in anime, too. That's not how you mock, that's the sound of peeing in your pants.Also Blackbeard didn't even run away, he stood back up and he killed WB…
He actually didn't get up lol, he was down on his back screaming "shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot!!!111" until he was sure Newgate was dead.
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Well the anime is hardly a definitive interpretation so his voice isn't going into evidence, sorry overturned.
Anyways you're making a good point for yourself. I'm not ready to concede to it just yet but I'd like to mention again that I still feel like even if Blackbeard were scared of the strongest man in the world it doesn't make him a coward. Far from it really, he's already done proven that he doesn't deserve such an ugly label. Sure he's got a disgusting personality (that's the point, I love it) but being scared of Whitebeard of all people does not a coward make. I feel like I'm starting to run in circles with that so it will be the last time I say it. Anyways good day ladies and gentlemen.
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Look, Akainu didn't beg for his life when he was being killed by WB. Akainu isn't a coward, not in the slightest way. It would be so out of character for him to act this way. While for Blackbeard, it's part of his character. Not as a whole of course, just a part of him. He's got huge balls, few people would challenge WB, but Teach isn't your pefect bad guy like you will see in most of series. He is courageous and coward, he is a loser and a winner, definitely ugly but also badass.
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@Al!naJames:
We've discussed this before, I believe, but wouldn't hurt to go through my thoughts once again, I think.
The concept of 'the first mate' usually goes on pair with right-hand man who is both second in strength after Captain of the crew and is usually shown to be quite intelligent (see Ben Beckman or Rayleigh). Now, Burgess never really stroke me as second-in-strength and he's clearly not the brain guy either. If we're to compare Blackbeard Pirates to Strawhats obviously Shiliew has to be #2 as he will probably be facing off against Zoro.
Why first ship then? If it's actually about having multiply ships now then it can be related to joining order.
I really don't feel like leaning towards that though. After all talk about only getting the strongest people and having crew positions shown they decide to expand? Would be too illogical, don't you think? I don't recall Oda ever building things up in a certain way to just throw it all way.I agree, mostly. And with 'usually' I am assuming your referring to Zoro (lol, not the brightest bulb, but definitely not an idiot). I even want to agree on Shiliew filling the role of 1st mate, but the word first used in conjunction with Burgess is making my very sceptical. Oda might be leading us on with Shiliew being such an obvious fist mate, I am choosing to believe Burgess is BB's true first mate.
Concerning the ship/fleet thing; I fully agree there.
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On the topic of BB having multiple ships/fleets: I have to say I'm on the fence.
I like the original crew set-up because it was essentially an "evil" version of the Straw Hats…..a small crew whose fame would grow and grow, through mostly by the actions of their rash captains. And speaking of, both are headed by simple-minded dreamers that think similarily, but are on different spots of the morality spectrum. Both also had pretty humble beginnings as a pirate, overshadowed by greater figures (Luffy being related to Garp and Dragon, BB being part of the Yonkou Whitebeard's crew)
Expanding the crew kinda ruins the parallel, unless the Straw Hats will gain fleets of their own. And if we exclude Luffy's ability to make allies, well anywhere, I don't see that happening.
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on the other hand, it fits Blackbeard's agenda. His ambition is endless, and getting Whitebead's power has also fueled his power lust. He wants to be the strongest, to claim One Piece, to dawn in his era. Increasing the crew and ship size is up there with seeking other DFs, and since other Emperors have big crews....
I'm actually curious to see how the crew is functioning now, as well as updates on all the members pre-timeskip.
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Look, Akainu didn't beg for his life when he was being killed by WB. Akainu isn't a coward, not in the slightest way. It would be so out of character for him to act this way. While for Blackbeard, it's part of his character. Not as a whole of course, just a part of him. He's got huge balls, few people would challenge WB, but Teach isn't your pefect bad guy like you will see in most of series. He is courageous and coward, he is a loser and a winner, definitely ugly but also badass.
And that's pretty much exactly what I'm trying to say! Sure he's flawed but that's a good thing it makes his character more interesting. It's just that perhaps I have a different definition of coward. I think labeling someone as such should be approached with caution. It's been widely perceived by many to be a very black and white label. They used to torture and kill people branded as cowards back in the olden days. It's a word with a long and awful history and even these days cowards are very much looked down upon in the army and services.
I feel that a true coward is someone who WON'T fight for what they believe in. People who are too scared to stand up for themselves and their loved ones. Being scared for your life is normal and DOES NOT make you a coward. Begging for your life DOES NOT make you a coward. In fact maybe wanting to die is the more cowardly thing to do.
If a person has fought for what they believe in and stood up for themselves time and time again then they aren't a coward. Even if they have had moments of weakness. And there is plenty of proof that Blackbeard is willing to fight for himself and whatever twisted shit he believes in.
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Sure he's got a disgusting personality (that's the point, I love it)
I actually wouldn't agree with you here. What's so disgusting about his personality? Apart from what we don't seem to agree on about being or not being a dastard at a critical moment. He's a middle-aged man with a heartful laugh, love for pies and a dreamer who wanted to become pirate king since he was a child (we can assume the later I guess). He's not at all as bloodthirsty or crazy as most members of the crew.
I agree, mostly. And with 'usually' I am assuming your referring to Zoro (lol, not the brightest bulb, but definitely not an idiot). I even want to agree on Shiliew filling the role of 1st mate, but the word first used in conjunction with Burgess is making my very sceptical. Oda might be leading us on with Shiliew being such an obvious fist mate, I am choosing to believe Burgess is BB's true first mate.
Concerning the ship/fleet thing; I fully agree there.
No, I'm referring to Rayleigh and Beckman, mostly. There were some others in minor crews. Zoro is not the firstmate, he was never referred to as such. Some
fanboys can dreampeople want to believe so, it's their right I guess, but officially there's nothing to that.Actually it would make sense for him to expand his crew, a crew like Whitebeard. Isn't his masterplan to be the strongest? He will have to take over the New world for that. Having a huge crew will allow him to put his mens on every part of the New world.
Actually it wouldn't. Did you think he not planned to go as high as yonku level back when he travelled to Impel Down? Why couldn't he take more men there? They would have been really devoted and would sure come handy at war.
Since when in One Piece fodder people did anything? Usually it's just men meat. A point which was specified before - do you remember a single person representing the crew on islands that used to be claimed by Whitebeard? I don't. You don't need no people to run over territories, you just need a name. If you have a lot of people/ships, you need a lot of navigators and doctors and cooks. We've seen a lot of pirate crews where positions weren't named - but Blackbeard crew had been originally presented with their crew positions, some of which don't work with large crew at all.
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If a person has fought for what they believe in and stood up for themselves time and time again then they aren't a coward.
Oh yea, even if that implies to kill a guy that you've known for years (Thatch) and then quietly leaving the ship, right?
It's just that perhaps I have a different definition of coward.
You might be right there.
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Oh yea, even if that implies to kill a guy that you've known for years (Thatch) and then quietly leaving the ship, right?
As opposed to sticking around and letting them kill you in return? What in the world does getting yourself killed prove exactly?
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@Al!naJames:
Actually it wouldn't. Did you think he not planned to go as high as yonku level back when he travelled to Impel Down? Why couldn't he take more men there? They would have been really devoted and would sure come handy at war.
Maybe he wanted to pick his fleet's captains there?
@Al!naJames:
Since when in One Piece fodder people did anything? Usually it's just men meat.
Since when did Oda not care about fodders? Oda loves his fodders, every arcs, every crews. And I doubt Blackbeard is going to be saved from this.
@Al!naJames:
A point which was specified before - do you remember a single person representing the crew on islands that used to be claimed by Whitebeard? I don't.
We haven't seen anything of WB's crew in the NW. On another hand, we have seen people from Big Mom's and Shank's crew travelling in the New world far away from their respective crew. And here we have Burgess being far away from his crew.
@Al!naJames:
You don't need no people to run over territories, you just need a name. If you have a lot of people/ships, you need a lot of navigators and doctors and cooks. We've seen a lot of pirate crews where positions weren't named - but Blackbeard crew had been originally presented with their crew positions, some of which don't work with large crew at all.
You are right with the crew position but how do you explain then that Burgess is considered as the first ship's captain? Having crew positions defined from the start should not be a problem with the crew being expanded. I'm sure it will make sense somehow.
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As opposed to sticking around and letting them kill you in return? What in the world does getting yourself killed prove exactly?
No you got it wrong. What he did (killing a friend from the back) was a coward move, right? What is it for you?
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I don't think BB is a coward, he is just a person who will do whatever it takes to reach his goals. If he assess that crying and begging for his life is a best method to reach his goals, then that is what he's gonna do. If he assess that running away is a best method to reach his goals, than that is what he's gonna do. But on the other hand if he thinks that a best method to reach his goals is to stand and fight till the end, he will do that as well.
In the end, his goal is the only thing that matters to him, and obviously to reach his goal, he needs to be alive. It doesn't matter to him whether he'll do good or bad things, cowardly things or brave things, he'll do whatever it takes.
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No you got it wrong. What he did (killing a friend from the back) was a coward move, right? What is it for you?
Oh okay I definitely see where you're coming from with that. Though I've always just thought of it more as betrayal and a fucked up thing to do. Blackbeard pretty much did it to get what he's been wanting for 20 years so I don't particularly see it as something he did out of fear or survival or cowardice. But as I think we just agreed upon we both have different definitions of the word. And considering both betrayal and cowardice are rooted in honor/dishonor they do have a connection.
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Maybe he wanted to pick his fleet's captains there?
But why only top people there if they needed more? Why not pick captains later when they'd form divisions? Why initiate a fight to death inside prison cells when they were so short on time?
Since when did Oda not care about fodders? Oda loves his fodders, every arcs, every crews. And I doubt Blackbeard is going to be saved from this.
Yeah, especially all the fodder people within Strawhars :ninja:
We haven't seen anything of WB's crew in the NW. On another hand, we have seen people from Big Mom's and Shank's crew travelling in the New world far away from their respective crew. And here we have Burgess being far away from his crew.
You didn't quite get what I was saying, I didn't mean some members being separated from main crew to do buisness, I meant people permanently staying on islands to rule over them.
You are right with the crew position but how do you explain then that Burgess is considered as the first ship's captain? Having crew positions defined from the start should not be a problem with the crew being expanded. I'm sure it will make sense somehow.
Considering 4 of them almost drawn within Knock Up stream when Laffitte was away, I'd be surprised if Burgess is there alone on his own… I just say we need to keep theorizing about this at minimum for now and wait till we get more insight on it, I'm sure there will be more during this arc, so it's not a long wait.
Burgess was shown to be rowing on their raft back in the days and defended it when Shiliew said it was ridicules to sail a raft to New World. I wouldn't put it past him to get that tittle just as an honorary to Marutabune lol--- Update From New Post Merge ---
No you got it wrong. What he did (killing a friend from the back) was a coward move, right? What is it for you?
There was nothing about how he killed him, though. I don't really see him doing it from the back, despite everything. Anime is stupid.
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@Al!naJames:
Yeah, especially all the fodder people within Strawhars :ninja:
I though it was obvious to no mention the Shs since it can't happen for storytelling pusposes.
@Al!naJames:
I'd be surprised if Burgess is there alone on his own… I just say we need to keep theorizing about this at minimum for now and wait till we get more insight on it, I'm sure there will be more during this arc, so it's not a long wait.
Well I think it's safe to say that he came with a ship. I doubt that Teach and his crew are near Dressrosa really, shit would be wayyy too much packed. This arc already have a tons of characters. So if we admit that Burgess is alone, he came with a ship (and probably some people), which make at least two ship for BB's crew (thus his crew expanded).
@Al!naJames:
Burgess was shown to be rowing on their raft back in the days and defended it when Shiliew said it was ridicules to sail a raft to New World. I wouldn't put it past him to get that tittle just as an honorary to Marutabune lol
Speaking of this raft, I doubt it exist anymore and I can't wait to see what his main ship will looks like.
@Al!naJames:
There was nothing about how he killed him, though. I don't really see him doing it from the back, despite everything. Anime is stupid.
Well, he didnt challenge him in a letter, that's for sure. Killing him from the back would fit him since you know…attacking him infront would let enough time for Thatch to alert the whole ship.
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Maybe he will become the First Raft Captain. lol… It's so obnoxious that a group that powerful floats around on a damned raft. Idk what you guys are talkin about anyways. Both the SHs and Blackbeard will be small crews probably 10 each. Perhaps Blackbeards will have allies but they don't let weaklings in. Exceptions might be made for Blackbeards 'woman' haha.
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Idk what you guys are talkin about anyways. Both the SHs and Blackbeard will be small crews probably 10 each.
SHs don't have a "First ship Captain".
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I bet you that Blackbeard main ship's name is Queen Ann's Revenge.
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@Devil:
Ace was the 2nd division captain because it was the vacant position, as simple as that, Oda said all the division captains have the same rank. Yeah, Marco is the strongest and he is the 1st division captain, but that doesn't mean being the 1st division captain makes you the strongest one, it's not like that. And I'm sure Vista only said that in the anime, here on the manga he says nothing of the sort: http://www.mangapanda.com/103-46286-7/one-piece/chapter-572.html ( if you didn't mean this scene, tell me )
Do you have a link? Also just because they are the same rank doesn't mean one can't be stronger than the others (i.e. Vice Admirals). I think from what we've seen the top of the division commanders are the strongest in order like Marco, Ace (he was in prison for days before his fight), Jozu, Vista.
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It's so obnoxious that a group that powerful floats around on a damned raft.
B-but it's the coolest thing about them! XD
@Clessenur:What if Blackbeard upgraded the ship but Burgess didn't wanted to part ways and became the first ship captain**.**
I'm going to stick with this version
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@Al!naJames:
B-but it's the coolest thing about them! XD
Heh yeah it's funny at least, and to imagine they sailed around on that little thing for 2 years whilst conquering Whitebeard's old terrority. Are they really that carefree and dysfunctional? I suppose it's meant to be a running joke or quirk and not to be seriously analyzed. Though I can't figure out why they'd wanna trade Bonney for a battleship when they could have just stolen a ship a long time ago.
What I especially like about his crew, at least with the original members is that they're so zealous about the ideas of luck, fate, destiny and dreams. They're really fun that way.
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Do you have a link? Also just because they are the same rank doesn't mean one can't be stronger than the others (i.e. Vice Admirals). I think from what we've seen the top of the division commanders are the strongest in order like Marco, Ace (he was in prison for days before his fight), Jozu, Vista.
About the Whitebeard Pirates, if there are pirates from the "Whitebeard ally groups", is there a possibility of one of them becoming a commander of the real Whitebeard Pirates itself? Or are the commanders all from the real Whitebeard Pirates from the beginning? P.N. amanuts
O: Ok, I'll explain a little about the Whitebeard Pirates. First, captain Whitebeard and the 16 commanders. All 16 commanders, despite numbers and ages have the same rank. All the same. Whitebeard Pirates are just split in 16 groups and the division number does not indicate strength. The 43 ally pirate ships are not any part of the Whitebeard Pirates and are usually all just scattered everywhere living their own little lives. Yet they are loyal to Whitebeard, and help him in desperate times. They are like that. In Ace's case, the Spade Pirates were destroyed, and all the members joined the Whitebeard Pirates, so he was able to become a commander. -
Marshall D. Teach. My favorite antagonist of the series, and probably favorite character overall. I also love the way he is portrayed by Akio Otsuka in the anime, he really makes him into a sinister character when it comes to that part of the series.
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Do you guys ever thought that doflamingo has a secret aliance with blackbeard? That what I kind a got after reading one pie ce again.
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Do you guys ever thought that doflamingo has a secret aliance with blackbeard? That what I kind a got after reading one pie ce again.
Who knows what goes on in Dofla's head….but I doubt it. He's already aligned with Kaidou in a sense, to go ahead and join up with another Emperor seems really risky for him. (remember he fears the retribution of the former)
Not to mention, I would suspect the two would clash heavily in ideals ....Dofla's New Age against Blackbeard's era of dreamers...plus BB seems like the type to take all the spoils for himself....not really the alliance type...
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This is what i love about one piece this may be cause im a big doflamingo fan But i also love blackbeard his badass.but i think that doflamingo using the smile to take down kaidoh out of the game but has alliance with blackbeard yeah but true about there ideals but what i have been thinking they have a past it was kinda of doflamingo that gave him te chance to a nobody (blackbeard) to become a warlord in volume 25.
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Who knows what goes on in Dofla's head….but I doubt it. He's already aligned with Kaidou in a sense, to go ahead and join up with another Emperor seems really risky for him. (remember he fears the retribution of the former)
Not to mention, I would suspect the two would clash heavily in ideals ....Dofla's New Age against Blackbeard's era of dreamers...plus BB seems like the type to take all the spoils for himself....not really the alliance type...
We don't really know what the New Age actually involves yet, it's not the same thing (or exactly anyway) as Bellamy's beliefs back on Jaya. Numerous things indicate this.
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I see Blackbeard as the type who will just have his own crew and say fuck everyone else. He already has the raw power and potential to compete against the other emperors and the marines anyways. Though Doflamingo has always been one to mingle and try to form alliances. Honestly considering he's walking on thin ice with Kaidou and now has SHs, Law, and even CP-0 on Dressrosa I think the dude is about to get a rude awakening.
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@Monkey:
We don't really know what the New Age actually involves yet, it's not the same thing (or exactly anyway) as Bellamy's beliefs back on Jaya. Numerous things indicate this.
Yeah, that's true.
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For Campion as the captain of the first ship for me it's quite simple. When Blackbeard got his first ship he had to decide who would commend it. Since the level 6 prisoners were newcomers who couldn't be trust he had to choose from his first crewmates. Between the brawl(champion) and the brain(Lafitte), he chose the brawl.
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Fair enough. It is interesting though how the higher ranked numbers seemed to be stronger like Jozu > Decalvan Brothers (presumably).
#45lyfer
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Fair enough. It is interesting though how the higher ranked numbers seemed to be stronger like Jozu > Decalvan Brothers (presumably).
jozu is a commander
decalvan brothers are allies
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jozu is a commander
decalvan brothers are allies
Dammit, you're right. Should of said Jozu or Marco > Atmos
#45lyfer
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Dammit, you're right. Should of said Jozu or Marco > Atmos
thats probably the case but i think the point they were saying is that its possible for say #16 to be stronger than #8(random pulled numbers) as their commanding number isnt descriptive of their actually strength when compared among each other.
