I think and would hope the family trees and connections are just about done now for the major players in the story.
BB's goal and way of life is simple and direct. Some connection with Roger or Luffy with some past grudge is too convoluted.
General Blackbeard Thread
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I always wondered why he has D in his name… maybe BB's been secretly hiding his family tree to everyone... maybe he's Roger's evil brother OR maybe there was a member(BB's older brother or father who had a grudge against Roger or not...) of unknown yonkou level organization that everyone didn't know.
Why are you confused about the D? So far we know of five different surnames with it. We know they're not all directly related - both Roger and Rouge were Ds. Saul's the one that stands out as really weird, since he's the only non-human one.
He has a D in his name to tie him to the Will of D (which seems like the key to finding one piece, making him a viable threat) and make him Luffy's evil equivalent.
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i dont understand why Blackbeard runs from Akainu,just few chapter before he intended to sink marineford with all the 3 admirals.no sense at all
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But title or no title Brook is the one being set up to face Lafitte some day. Flight and high jumping/running up walls, hypnosis between the both of them, both shown to be associated with music in some way(everywhere Lafitte goes music notes follow him) and even the lame argument that they both carry a cane gives more credit than the navigator VS navigator argument.
I'm not sure if it was in the manga, but one of the things I liked most about Lafitte was his tap dancing entrance in the anime. I'd really love if that came into play later on.
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i dont understand why Blackbeard runs from Akainu,just few chapter before he intended to sink marineford with all the 3 admirals.no sense at all
Simple, Magma freaking hurts.
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@S.C.:
Simple, Magma freaking hurts.
he can nullify the devil fruit powers
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he can nullify the devil fruit powers
Yes, but everything is drawn to him, and 2x damage. If Akainu did the Claw thing, that's not going to be pleseant.
Which, again, reinforces my idea, that Doc Q needs to remove his nerves so he no longer would feel pain.
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That's not a good idea at all. Pain lets you know when you're at your limits. Removing the nervous system just so he won't feel pain would make BB fall just like Oars did.
He wouldn't even feel when Akainu scorches off half his face. He'll just have heavy brain loss and terrible perception and then die.
The whole reason BB beat Ace is cuz he has a high threshold for pain.
The whole can't feel pain thing has been used quite a bit in fiction and in manga and it's been proved a bunch of times why it doesn't work.. If he's getting some improvement from Doc Q it should be a way to get a healing factor.
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@Zik:
That's not a good idea at all. Pain lets you know when you're at your limits. Removing the nervous system just so he won't feel pain would make BB fall just like Oars did.
He wouldn't even feel when Akainu scorches off half his face. He'll just have heavy brain loss and terrible perception and then die.
The whole reason BB beat Ace is cuz he has a high threshold for pain.
The whole can't feel pain thing has been used quite a bit in fiction and in manga and it's been proved a bunch of times why it doesn't work.. If he's getting some improvement from Doc Q it should be a way to get a healing factor.
Well, take Magellan VS BB Pirates Round 1. Here, he faces the anti-Blackbeard whose nervous system-destroying poison puts him down.
Now, if he felt no pain, then he could go crush Magellan's ribs, for example, no problem.
So, while it would inevitable set up the fatal flaw of not knowing when to stop in his final fight, until then it would be very useful.
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Yeah but during the fight it's guaranteed that Magellan would hit BB with several different poisons like he did to Luffy making it impossible for BB to be cured and then he would die after winning.
Having no sense of pain isn't the best way to face a man using poisons that kill and it has a low success rate.
No pain would also risk that every fight could be his final fight depending who he fought. It's why he ran from Akainu, no pain doesn't help you there. Same reason why he ganged up on an injured WB.
All it takes to beat a guy like that is target his legs and spine or if you're strong enough take out a vital organ. BB wouldn't make it to the final fight being a 100% if he didn't feel pain. He'd be carrying life threatening injuries to it and his loss would be too telling.
If not regeneration then some ability that feeds off of pain would be best for a guy like BB. I'm not convinced no pain is a good "trump card" for anyone in the NW.
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Well, the thing is with BB is that he is still a Logia. Unless a attack is Haki-enfused, it will hurt him, but not really his body. Like in the fight with Ac,e he was set on fire several times, but wasn't burned. So, unless Magellan infused Haki into the Hyrda, it would not have done anything to a non-feeling BB.
True on Akainu, and he on the other hand is a Haki user, and no one to mess around with.
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why do u think BB takes more damage than other humans?that was a bad translation.
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why do u think BB takes more damage than other humans?that was a bad translation.
Pretty much every translation I've come across has said this. Some say 2x, some more then normal, but the process is still the same.
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@S.C.:
Well, take Magellan VS BB Pirates Round 1. Here, he faces the anti-Blackbeard whose nervous system-destroying poison puts him down.
Now, if he felt no pain, then he could go crush Magellan's ribs, for example, no problem.
So, while it would inevitable set up the fatal flaw of not knowing when to stop in his final fight, until then it would be very useful.
There isn't a reason to believe that BB can't stand pain. He's taken several huge hits from Ace and got up to brag in front of Ace. And his DF amplifies damage (or just pain) taken. Magellan didn't stay long enough to take care of BB and crew because he was in a hurry to hunt down Luffy.
However, obviously either his crew or lvl 6 prisoners defeated Magellan afterward, since Magellan was reported almost dead when BB broke out of ID. If Shiliew didn't help Blackbeard, I think they would have hunted down ID guards and staff until they find the antidote.
In real life, pain signals can overwhelm almost any feeling, and can actually trigger a systemic nervous collapse, and kill the person. A person that can't feel pain would not be vulnerable. However, without some pain, the person would sustain and accumulate damage to organs and tissues until they fail and cause serious ailments.
Honestly, feeling some pain is good, enough to recognize location and extent of damage, but not so much that it's an impairment. Normally, pain seems to be a bother, but during situations where adrenaline and endorphins kick in, pain is not only very tolerable, but favorable.
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@Zik:
I think and would hope the family trees and connections are just about done now for the major players in the story.
Slightly off topic, sorry, but there are still quite a few SH crew members who are lacking parents. The fact that Usopp's dad is Yasopp is really the only evidence I need to support that. Zoro, Sanji, Nami, and Franky are all strong possibilities for family tree surprises.
It's also possible, then, for Blackbeard's crew to have similar revelations, I suppose (and BB especially). Whether Oda could squeeze all of that in would be another question, though. Thinking about it from where we are before FI, it seems like it'd be too much. 10 years may change that, though.
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i dont understand why Blackbeard runs from Akainu,just few chapter before he intended to sink marineford with all the 3 admirals.no sense at all
He (and his crew) probably could have killed Akainu, but I don't think it would have been a wise decision at that time because it would have resulted in pretty much everyone going after Blackbeard then. Being in the New World now and closer to One Piece, and possibly aiming for the Yonkou title, all the fighting isn't something he's looking to bring upon himself I don't think. He's definitely not the smartest person around (especially in battle where he has come close to actually dying multiple times), but he has some plan in mind surely.
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Slightly off topic, sorry, but there are still quite a few SH crew members who are lacking parents. The fact that Usopp's dad is Yasopp is really the only evidence I need to support that. Zoro, Sanji, Nami, and Franky are all strong possibilities for family tree surprises.
It's also possible, then, for Blackbeard's crew to have similar revelations, I suppose (and BB especially). Whether Oda could squeeze all of that in would be another question, though. Thinking about it from where we are before FI, it seems like it'd be too much. 10 years may change that, though.
I meant as far as shichibukai, BB, Roger, etc.
I'm not even sure Oda's gonna keep surprising us or setting up foreshadowing for the crew members. I only expect Franky to get the oh look Kaidou is my dad revelation and whoever Lola's mom is.
Maybe a little more expansion on Sanji's life in North Blue before chore boy/chef.
It's possible Oda can do something with BB's crew mates but I'm thinking outside of new characters he's done
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I never understood, how's BB's DF a logia?
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@S.C.:
Well, the thing is with BB is that he is still a Logia. Unless a attack is Haki-enfused, it will hurt him, but not really his body.
Uh thats wrong. Logia users real bodies becoming flowing to advoid damage.
Black beard's real body is always visible (Possibly takes more damage then normal humans) .An haki attack to BB would just hurt him more or would negate his black smoke.
The reason BB didn't have burns while fighting ace is because its not logical to give someone a power that requires them to take damage horrible scars them. Oda would have to keep redrawing BB till he looked like Freddy krueger.
But when the end of the war airs and we see when white beard cut BB in the shoulder either blood came out or blackness. If it was blood BB's body is the real deal.
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@Rubber:
I never understood, how's BB's DF a logia?
The Yami produces darkness, a Paramecia can't do that.
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Uh thats wrong. Logia users real bodies becoming flowing to advoid damage.
Black beard's real body is always visible (Possibly takes more damage then normal humans) .An haki attack to BB would just hurt him more or would negate his black smoke.
The reason BB didn't have burns while fighting ace is because its not logical to give someone a power that requires them to take damage horrible scars them. Oda would have to keep redrawing BB till he looked like Freddy krueger.
But when the end of the war airs and we see when white beard cut BB in the shoulder either blood came out or blackness. If it was blood BB's body is the real deal.
Same reason why him quake punching Akainu didn't melt his hands off: He was rather mad at both Blackbeard and Akainu, which anger can trigger Haki and used it to negate their defenses.
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@Cyan:
The Yami produces darkness, a Paramecia can't do that.
Mr. 3 produces wax, Magellan produces poison.
Yami Yami no MI is logia because it's a natural element.
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[Blackbeard] can nullify the devil fruit powers
It's possible that one can use Armored Haki to defend against Kurouzu and the absorption ability of the Yami fruit though. After all, we saw the Admiral use Armored Haki to defend themselves and the area around them from Whitebeard's Devil Fruit induced earthquake.
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@S.C.:
Well, the thing is with BB is that he is still a Logia. Unless a attack is Haki-enfused, it will hurt him, but not really his body. Like in the fight with Ac,e he was set on fire several times, but wasn't burned. So, unless Magellan infused Haki into the Hyrda, it would not have done anything to a non-feeling BB.
True on Akainu, and he on the other hand is a Haki user, and no one to mess around with.
This post gave me cancer.
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How is this a hard concept to understand? You hurt his nervous system, not his real body, as he's still a Logia. Simple as that.
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@S.C.:
How is this a hard concept to understand? You hurt his nervous system, not his real body, as he's still a Logia. Simple as that.
Blackbeard said himself that even though he is Logia, he can't let attacks pass through him because he doesn't have the intangibility like all other Logias. He takes damage damage just like a normal human (or more). You can find the dialog here, if you want to check his brief explanation yourself.
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Can't wait to see Black Beards new ship after the skip. I sure didn't want him to get a lame Navy ship, nor did I want to see how he got it. I just want to see it.
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@S.C.:
Yes, but everything is drawn to him, and 2x damage. If Akainu did the Claw thing, that's not going to be pleseant.
Which, again, reinforces my idea, that Doc Q needs to remove his nerves so he no longer would feel pain.
@Cyan:
The Yami produces darkness, a Paramecia can't do that.
It's possible that one can use Armored Haki to defend against Kurouzu and the absorption ability of the Yami fruit though. After all, we saw the Admiral use Armored Haki to defend themselves and the area around them from Whitebeard's Devil Fruit induced earthquake.
Uh thats wrong. Logia users real bodies becoming flowing to advoid damage.
Black beard's real body is always visible (Possibly takes more damage then normal humans) .An haki attack to BB would just hurt him more or would negate his black smoke.
The reason BB didn't have burns while fighting ace is because its not logical to give someone a power that requires them to take damage horrible scars them. Oda would have to keep redrawing BB till he looked like Freddy krueger.
But when the end of the war airs and we see when white beard cut BB in the shoulder either blood came out or blackness. If it was blood BB's body is the real deal.
I will add the pages later, but let's start
The Logia DF give the user the ability to control the enviroment,
for ex Ace during his fight sucks all the fire he has inflict in the town
enel freely control the lightning , while Mr3 or magellan can't use or absorb
enviroment elements only their.R: Hello, Oda-sensei! I have a question. Is Whitebeard, Edward Newgate, a Logia or a Paramecia? I personally think he's Logia, since he took Aokiji's attack without turning to ice, but…?
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O: I guess that's difficult. The answer is Paramecia. "Guragura no mi" is said to be the most powerful of the many paramecia fruits. It's easy to think that he's an "Earthquake Human" and must be Logia, but if that was so, he'd have to become an earthquake himself. Whitebeard creates earthquakes, in other words he's a "Vibration Human". That means he's a Paramecia who isn't any weaker than the Logias.Yami Yami no mi user can absorb everything including the fire from ace
so I think that's why he didn't got burned, but he receive the hits,
taking for exemple akainu hitting jinbei, even if BB can grab and nullify him,
after having been hit wouldn't seen so advantageous
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-441/page009.htmlAnd This I ain't sure, but I think that BB is more resistend to Pain,
not that he can't fell it , but Marco stated that his body is different from normal. so even if he get hit by the user, once he grab the user he can win
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-577/page015.html
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@S.C.:
How is this a hard concept to understand? You hurt his nervous system, not his real body, as he's still a Logia. Simple as that.
So he's feeling pain but no damage is done to his body?
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@Rubber:
So he's feeling pain but no damage is done to his body?
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^Why did you quote my post when you didn't even touch the subject I was speaking of?
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The Logia DF give the user the ability to control the enviroment,
for ex Ace during his fight sucks all the fire he has inflict in the town
enel freely control the lightning , while Mr3 or magellan can't use or absorb
enviroment elements only their.I know Its basic knowledge that logia's control the elements around them in most cases. From what i've seen there are a few examples of logia's that we havent seen absorb they're own enviroment. Whether they can or not may be revealed later.
For example, BB's logia is darkness but he doesnt control the night. Anytime he fights he has to produce blackness from his body and can control the blackness he creates. Kizaru we haven't seen absord natural sun light, we only seen him produce light from his body.
Aokiji is also another logia we haven't seen absord ice around him. Maybe its possible for Aokiji to freeze someone then suck the ice off their body but im not sure if he can. In the war he could have easily absord or controlled the ice thrown by jozu if he could have instead of just watching.
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^Why did you quote my post when you don't even touch the subject I speaking of?
Really sorry, I was quoting and forgot to answer your, trully saying I don't know the answer =D
But I share a few points with your question, if Ace have armor haki he could've done that to defend him wouldn't?
aparently haki can't be transmit by powers like WB guragura, but could by the body like marco feet.
Would Hana hana power be improved by haki?I know Its basic knowledge that logia's control the elements around them in most cases. From what i've seen there are a few examples of logia's that we havent seen absorb they're own enviroment. Whether they can or not may be revealed later.
For example, BB's logia is darkness but he doesnt control the night. Anytime he fights he has to produce blackness from his body and can control the blackness he creates. Kizaru we haven't seen absord natural sun light, we only seen him produce light from his body.
Aokiji is also another logia we haven't seen absord ice around him. Maybe its possible for Aokiji to freeze someone then suck the ice off their body but im not sure if he can. In the war he could have easily absord or controlled the ice thrown by jozu if he could have instead of just watching.
Yeah, the only sample we have was the fire created by Ace that has spread
could be absorbed, but I think BB power ain't night, is darkness gravity.
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Really sorry, I was quoting and forgot to answer your, trully saying I don't know the answer =D
But I share a few points with your question, if Ace have armor haki he could've done that to defend him wouldn't?While I do think it's possible that Ace could use Haki, I don't think he would have had the time to learn beyond the basics at most. After all, Rayleigh told Luffy that two years were very short normally to learn the basics of Haki (but with Luffy's great potential, he could do it), and Ace only had 1-2 years on Whitebeard's ship(s). Consequently, even if Ace knew the basics of Armored Haki, it might be possible that he couldn't utilize it to the degree that he could negate Blackbeard's powers.
aparently haki can't be transmit by powers like WB guragura, but could by the body like marco feet.
We saw Whitebeard empower his quake punches with Haki though, so it's likely that you can use Haki in combination with physical attacks/objects, but not with none physical attacks (e.g. Mihawk's flying slashes, Whitebeard's ranged quakes).
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Yeah, the only sample we have was the fire created by Ace that has spreadcould be absorbed, but I think BB power ain't night, is darkness gravity. also I have an doubt here, Mr3 doru doru cancel, when he release luffy armor, was the wax absorbed or only liquefied?
When Luffy was fighting in Impel down, I'm pretty sure the wax just liquefied because it was already poisoned by Magellan. But I'm pretty sure mr.3 can suck back up his own wax once its used. There may be some evidence when he fought against the straw hats before they reach alabasta.
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I am thinking if their last appearance indicates that there will be a shipwright in their crew next time we see them, as nobody of the new crew seemed to be able to build a ship and none of the old ones.
I am hoping for a fishman.
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Hey Greg, you said in the OP Datacast that Blackbeard has "more than 1 life"? Did you get that cleared yet? I'm pretty sure that means there's something about BB that is supernatural, even more so than a DF.
I also think it relates to why Blackbeard can recover from damage so easily, and can have multiple DF powers.
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Quote in databook is Ace's from chapter 440. He said "You've been around TWICE as long".
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@Al!naJames:
Quote in databook is Ace's from chapter 440. He said "You've been around TWICE as long".
(I was kind of shocked neither Greg nor Steven could remember that on the podcast since they both discussed and brought it up after 576. Maybe not both, but I 100% remember either of them did)I was thinking he said that Blackbeard was twice his age.
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Everybody thought that, like everybody thought Luffy and Zoro's comment in Jaya refered to his crewmates.
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@Al!naJames:
Everybody thought that, like everybody thought Luffy and Zoro's comment in Jaya refered to his crewmates.
what did it refer to?
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Them noticing the conjoined twin on his back :ninja:
To be serious - we will find out as soon as we get to know what is really wrong about his body. Conjoined twin/double amount of inner organs is still the only possible theory so far, though.
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@Al!naJames:
Them noticing the conjoined twin on his back :ninja:
To be serious - we will find out as soon as we get to know what is really wrong about his body. Conjoined twin/double amount of inner organs is still the only possible theory so far, though.
…....gotta get off the crack, man.
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Hmph~ The ones on crack are people with crazy cerberus theories
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@Al!naJames:
Them noticing the conjoined twin on his back :ninja:
To be serious - we will find out as soon as we get to know what is really wrong about his body. Conjoined twin/double amount of inner organs is still the only possible theory so far, though.
It's not the "only possible theory". It's just one that makes as much sense as most other theories with the information that we have provided.
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Blackbeard is the human centipede… 3 fruits, you'll see ! :ninja:
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Blackbeard is the human centipede… 3 fruits, you'll see ! :ninja:
Wow…Im blown away, centipede where did you get that idea? I know you are jkg but its pretty random and I still want to know why you though of something like that.
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