@brennen.exe:
We don't know the specifics yet of Ambition, so we cannot really say how contact with a logia and a logia's element would differ between contact with something made from a paramecia. I think I understand where you are going with that, but we just don't know enough about Willbitionaki Force.
You're right that we don't know the specifics. But my interpretation (which means I'm aware that it's not a fact) is that the effects on a Paramecia shouldn't really be that different than on a Logia. I base that solely on Sentoumaru's performance against Luffy. Yes, I know that it was never confirmed to be an Ambition usage either. That's just the variable's I'm operating with. Which is why I guess what Newgate did to Akainu would be possible to be done to Magellan too. If not the WG should have sent Magellan to take care of Whitebeard long ago.
@Urouge:
The initial argument was the "don't touch it" aspect of their powers that make them a threat to Blackbeard. My point in this is survival. People have survived touching Akainu's magma and continued fighting. Magellan's poison isn't so forgiving.
I'd still say they are on equal grounds. Akainu's magma might be more forgiving on the survival thing than poison (if we're leaving antidote's aside).
And yet on the other hand it is lesser forgiving than poison again. When Luffy said he'll give his hands to Magellan then you knew he wouldn't lose them just because they were in contact with poison. However looking at what Akainu did to Newgate's face and chest or to Ace overall it is rather doubtfull that Luffy would have kept his hands if he would have touched Akainu as he did with Magellan.
Yes, he could have continued to fight (like the black knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail ) but the hands would have been gone for ever. I don't consider that to be really more forgiving then being exposed to something that can be and has been cured with the proper antibodies.
Akazuki sucks. He's going to lose in the first round again. :ninja:
We shall see about that. Shouldn't you be focusing on a Butters campaing instead of making such ridiculous claims? ;)
@Cyborg_Franky:
well newgate has been struck rather large blows in this fight (back stabbed, stabbed by a bunch of VA's, half his face shot off and he's still whooping ass, ect…) it just seems to me like oda's setting a theme for him to be a juggernaut and really show us the strongest man in the world, as for jinbei he prob had water on his hands along with haki maybe?
Going by Akainu's statement that with Marco and Vista he is facing Amibtion users now it strikes me as pretty much likely that it means Jinbei is no such.
Also if Newgate is really such a juggernaut it's even more weird that Akainu's magma hits had a more devastating effect when connecting with him than they had when connecting with Jinbei. If this really isn't a screw up by Oda then Jinbei has more skills then have been revealed so far.