@The:
Rebecca was my second favorite character in Dressroba(King Riku was my favorite) and her character was imo more mature than any 16 year old i've ever met. As i grow older the age for the term "kid" and "child" also increases.
Well yeah, in a loose sense I know what you mean and have at many points thought and said the same. Being at Grad School now I'm definitely seeing the younger undergrads and thinking "Damn look at these kids, I feel old".
But I'm trying to be more uh…definite on my meaning of kid here. Like in the strict sense of the age group between toddlers and teens. And associated behaviours.
I'm also studying education at the same Grad School, and subbing on the side for money. So I'm really quickly learning the whole "developmental level" concept and observing a shitload of it myself every day. So I'm not talking out of thin air about the age groups having these big distinctions as wholes (it goes without saying there are individuals who vary throughout).
Right now i see anyone under 21 as a child or kid, with obvious exceptions and as i grow older that number will also increase.
Again I get that mentality.
But at the same time, trust me if you begin to spend lots of time among the spectrum of under 21s you quickly see the gaps and borders among that group.
And …hell at the same time you re-appreciate levels of maturity you might have forgotten exist at some of those levels (alongside the immaturity you already expected lol).
The Vivi vs Rebecca debate is also pointless because Oda, just like me, has grown since he wrote Vivi and he too now realizes how a 16 year old is nothing more than a big child.
Hmm.. man like I said I get thinking casually of younger ages as kids. But you're now overstepping the limits of that.
16 year olds are not big children, not most of them. I could almost give you a decent proportion of 15 year olds, and definitely 14 year olds.
But 16 year olds are…well they ain't adults sure. But to actually think of them as big children is really not true. You can approach middle schoolers and some of the younger high schoolers kinda with that exact mindset. But not the older high schoolers. It's a different ballgame.
While there's parts where I don't buy her being 16 (really more just in Whiskey Peak), I can buy most of the rest of it. Vivi is impulsive, stubborn, and single mindededly driven. And at the same time kind of naive. That's pretty older teenager in a lot of ways. While also being an only child clearly raised really well in terms of politics and responsibility on that front, something Oda even showed her possessing at a grade school age (remember the scene of her at the Reverie in Chopper's flashback?).
Vivi in terms of her character maturity is somewhere in her 30s
Not really lol. What are you basing that on? Do you also think her scene at the Reverie was bizarre and inaccurate?
I mean on the topic of this debate being silly…well we've seen nearly all our protagonists displaying strength and resolve on high levels as literal children, as grade school children. Nami's whole flashback was about a little girl who took on the lives and freedom of her entire village in secret. Yet no one would question that would they?
Oda shows these strong like 9 year old children, female and male alike. But 16 year old Rebecca is logically weak and dependent because.....???
It may be a action manga full of gods and monsters but realistically Rebecca is stronger and more mature than any real life 16 old.
16 years isn't even very notable in terms of ages that people have been involved in wars and other such violence. I'm not even sure the UN counts those as child soldiers.
She's really not super exceptional given her circumstances.
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@mbaruh:
Should have quoted me, I only noticed this now. I merely noted that such a distinction exists, and that MK's post mixes the two terms.
That's exactly what he's calling you out on lol.
He's saying the distinction is questionable, and complete nonsense even in the way you're trying to apply it.
Nor did you apparently decide to look up nature in the dictionary to find the way I was using it there.
But let me do that for you.
Nature can be just used to refer to basic characteristics of anything. In a vanilla sense not having anything to do with science or psychology. Basic english usage here bro.
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@Razh:
Featuring the most boring villain ever.
I don't know, Bleackbeard just isn't interesting to me without faults and weaknesses.
In what way is Blackbeard some Aizen ubermensch villain lol.