Admiral Akainu's protege: Jonathan

Kma

In the filler arc G-8 Jonathan was mentioned to be Red Dog's Protege. He was called by two titles though, commander and vice admiral, so I'm not sure which one he is. However he does command G-8 and in Aces side story G-2 was commanded by another vice admiral as well.

Now this arc is filler but calling him the protege of Akainu seems kinda of risky by Toei.

Do you think Toei ask Oda if they are allowed to do this? I mean it seems pretty big…

If Oda agreed do you think he is going to somehow pop up again in the manga? Its unlikely but still I thought being the protege of someone, especially an Admiral is pretty impressive.

We didnt get to see him in action. However, in one scene its hinted by Sanji he is probaly very powerful.

I don't know if theres a thread for this, I searched with the word Jonathan but couldnt find anything.

Just in case you guys dont remenber who he is or didnt watch the arc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Piece_filler_characters and just look for Jonathan.

taboo

It sounds like something they would have consulted Oda on, or vice versa.

dythim

Just to clarify, his rank in the Marines is Vice-Admiral, but he is the Commander of the G-8 base.

I think there is a similar rule about ships, where the commander of a ship is always the "Captain", regardless of his rank. But I could be wrong.

Kma

@dythim:

Just to clarify, his rank in the Marines is Vice-Admiral, but he is the Commander of the G-8 base.

I think there is a similar rule about ships, where the commander of a ship is always the "Captain", regardless of his rank. But I could be wrong.

Thanks for clearing that up

When I first watched G-8 with the HK subs I couldnt understand a thing… I just finished watching G-8 this time with your guys subs and that was MUCH (x1000) better.

dythim

Thanks That was a fun arc to do.

Kma

@dythim:

Thanks That was a fun arc to do.

You fansubbers are so polite. Its me that owe you the gratitude.

Like always I get off topic… even in my own thread too...

loulou

I remember the last episode when they mentioned it, and I was like "whaaaaaat? This seemingly nice marine??" After all, if he was indeed Akainu's protege, Jonathan would already be familiar with some of his tactics…

ModernRomeo

But isn't Akainu supposed to be a heartless bastard? And if so, does it make sense that someone semi-kind can be the protege of such a prick? I'm not saying your theory is wrong, but I'm just wondering about the possibility, what with Akainu being portrayed as a Marine similar to Spanda (in the sense that their position is all that matters, and they can justify any number of lives loss as "necessary" and "required for final justice").

Super-chops

Well…if Toei was working with Oda, don’t you think they’d do it for the other fillers as well? It’s always risky mixing fillers in with the main story since it can create some plot holes
For example;
Chopper’s second rumble ball in the Davy Back Fight fillers, when we find out later in the series that he has trouble keeping in control when he has a second one!
Just thank god they didn’t make take a third rumble ball, otherwise they would have been screwed! lol
And also, more recently in the manga…

! Garp turning out to be Luffy’s grandfather
And in the anime adapted version of Koby and Helmeppo’s side story, Luffy sees a picture of them, and (I think) Nami even read out his name, yet Luffy has no reaction.
Although to be fair, none of us saw that coming

Ivotas

@Super-chops:

! Garp turning out to be Luffy’s grandfather
And in the anime adapted version of Koby and Helmeppo’s side story, Luffy sees a picture of them, and (I think) Nami even read out his name, yet Luffy has no reaction.
Although to be fair, none of us saw that coming

That is actually the minor screw up of that scene. The bigger screw up is (chapter 433 spoiler)…

! …that in episode 69 it is said that Koby went over Reverse Mountain to get to the Grand Line. And of course in the manga that isn´t the case.

Generic_Soda

@Kma:

In the filler arc G-8 Jonathan was mentioned to be Red Dog's Protege. He was called by two titles though, commander and vice admiral, so I'm not sure which one he is. However he does command G-8 and in Aces side story G-2 was commanded by another vice admiral as well.

Now this arc is filler but calling him the protege of Akainu seems kinda of risky by Toei.

Do you think Toei ask Oda if they are allowed to do this? I mean it seems pretty big…

If Oda agreed do you think he is going to somehow pop up again in the manga? Its unlikely but still I thought being the protege of someone, especially an Admiral is pretty impressive.

We didnt get to see him in action. However, in one scene its hinted by Sanji he is probaly very powerful.

I don't know if theres a thread for this, I searched with the word Jonathan but couldnt find anything.

Just in case you guys dont remenber who he is or didnt watch the arc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Piece_filler_characters and just look for Jonathan.

I really wish he'd pop up… G8 is easily the best filler arc that Toei came up with. Besides, the Stronghold Ossan had a wicked mind. I'm sure he'd kick my ass in Fire Emblem any day of the week. Maybe when Aka Inu pops up, he'll come with. Who knows? Chances are pretty slim, but it's a nice thought.

Kma

Ya I agree too I thought he was pretty cool. I want to see him get really serious though. I liked his character design.

Im just really wondering the validity of fillers… are we supposed to take them seriously? Also as one of the above poster said Akainu and Jonathan personality seem so different... One is about absolute justice while the other one cares about his unit and soldiers.

However consideing that he is a commander of a base, I don't think he'll really be given a mission to ensue the SH.

NGeno

One could say the newspaper was a cover-up…

DarkShinobi

I highly doubt that TOEI consulted Oda about Jonathan being Aka Inu's protege. They probably just threw an admiral's name in as spoiler material, just like they did when the mechanic at G-8 was about to tell Usopp that Going Merry was unfixable.

I do agree though that TOEI should consult any filler material with Oda first to avoid further plotholes. He's probably too busy with the manga to do so however.

Crimson Rogue

I have a feeling they would ask him about these kinds of things at the very least but that doesn't always mean that they won't do something against Oda's personal wishes.
Anyways just because someone is a Protege of a complete and utter bastard it doesn't mean that they in turn will turn out that way. I have a feeling that Akainu might have tried to drill his own fanatical beliefs into Jonathon at some point or another; however, it is also possible that they had a reverse effect. After all what better way to see just how wrong something is than to witness it first hand from the person who practically wrote the book on 'Absolute/All ends justify the means Justice'?
Jonathon is smart, heck he's probably one of the smartest characters in the series if he really does have a place outside of the fillers.. I doubt someone with his intelligence would believe in a type of justice where any end justifies the means. To me that type of justice seems HORRIBLY ineffecient as it can and usually does involve sacrificing soldiers, entire islands, civilians who might have something to contribute later, important documents, the list goes on and on.. Jonathon is a tactition not a bruiser, though he could be both, so he probably sees just how important it is too keep those things around and safe rather than wasting them for some other cause that might potentially fail in the end.

Impel Down

It was dumb of them to do that, since Johnathan is level-headed and Aka Inu was kind of a douchebag.

Polygon

@Impel:

It was dumb of them to do that, since Johnathan is level-headed and Aka Inu was kind of a douchebag.

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Or it could be one of things where the student admires the master, but over time disagrees with their princaples.

DarkShinobi

@Impel:

It was dumb of them to do that, since Johnathan is level-headed and Aka Inu was kind of a douchebag.

Like I said before, TOEI probably just wanted to foreshadow the 3 Admirals and just threw one of their names in episode 206. Plus TOEI, nor anyone else knew that Aka Inu was so fannatical at that point. Remember, when G-8 aired, it was before Robin's backstory was told in the manga.

Impel Down

I know, that's why it was a bad idea, like Chopper eating 2 rumble balls in the DBF.

Kma

The fillers really sometimes do undermine the story though…

anyone remenber in Loguetown where the bartender talks about Gol D Roger? I thought that wasnt a very good portrayal of the Pirate King.

Also the filler with how Zoro meets Jonny and Yosaku. Do you think Oda is ok with Toei creating the past of those 2 characters? although they dont have huge roles in the story, it taking the authors characters without permission usually offends the author sometimes right?

Also what about some scenes that were once intended for the manga and then scrapped? Remenber Daddy the bounty hunter? Supposedly Oda did come up with that but ended up leaving that out in the manga.

My point is though if Jonathan is really just meant to be a purely filler character with no reoocurance, was it really necessary for them to say he was Akainu's protege. Out of the 10 eps? they only mentioned him being the protege once and it wasnt nearly a WOAH type moment.

I guess we are just to treat the manga and anime as two separate universe right because obviously its one or the other (ie Zeff either ate his leg or lost it not both)

Crimson Rogue

I would think Oda would be more amused than anything else to tell you the truth, though again I do think that Toei at the very least asks him about these things before going ahead with them.

If he really doesn't have any reoccurances then no it wasn't necessary and frankly if you hadn't mentioned it here I would have forgotten about the whole incident. G-8 is one of my favorite arcs from both the manga and anime and yet I completely forgot about the whole 'Akainu's Protege' thing until now. It really wasn't a moment in the filler that left an impression on me and I hope that that was intentional on the part of Toei.. It's more than likely that the entire incident was used to hype up later appearance of Aokiji, however my inner fangirl has big hopes that Jonathon and some of the other G-8 crew really do have a place in the original Oda-verse and that they will appear in the manga sooner or later hopefully when Akainu is formally introduced. (Like that's ever going to happen.. But hey, a girl can dream can't she?)

GearSecond

I just hope it never inluences the story later on. Inthe Manga, I mean.

What I dislike about filler arcs probably the most(besides just despising them for being sucky) is that they have no influence on the final story. And then later on when Toei realized they were lacking a bit, tried to add foreshadowing and redoing story elements, and it ended up creating foreshadowing for moments that never happened or arn't true.

Funny thing is there'll always be that idiot who is looking for spoilers, comes in, and asks what something foreshadows, and they'l lbe told "nothing, it's Anime filler, it'll probably just make a plot hole".

Impel Down

That's like next there'll be a filler arc with Kazuru (Yellow Monkey)'s uncle attacking the SHs.

Sapp603

I never watched this arc yet.But I was shocked a while back to find out Toei made a possible plothole by saying this Jonathan guy was a protege of Akainu.We hardly know anything about him!What if we ever learn more about Akainu and find out that he's always worked solo or something?I almost stopped watching the anime due to the extra crap Toei keeps trying to add.

Impel Down

Hey, it's a filler, and they had to re-kindle the flame of the admirals somehow! Besides, it's not like they could have known. At the time, saying someone high-up was a student of an admiral could be taken as given.