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    • Zik
      Zik @HaxeyeMihawk
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      And I wouldn't be surprised if there is a backup plan to replace the Shichi because if they aren't being told to move or aren't going to be told eventually they stand a pretty good chance of being caught in Sengoku's plan since they are in close proximity to WB's forces, hell even the fodder marines may atleast be ordered to move in a position to not be caught in the trap but would anyone warn the Shichibukai?

      They'd be smart enough to realize themselves.

      Unless Vegapunk has applied Yellow Flash jutsu to the pacifista and they're gonna take out the pirates in one second it's not gonna catch them off guard completely.

      Keep in mind this plan involves killing Ace ahead of time. For all we know a bunch of Kumas can pop out of nowhere on the battlefield, two ready to blast Ace's head off.

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        @Zik:

        They'd be smart enough to realize themselves.

        Unless Vegapunk has applied Yellow Flash jutsu to the pacifista and they're gonna take out the pirates in one second it's not gonna catch them off guard completely.

        Keep in mind this plan involves killing Ace ahead of time. For all we know a bunch of Kumas can pop out of nowhere on the battlefield, two ready to blast Ace's head off.

        True but I'm sure Sengoku tried to make the plan discreet enough so that WB doesn't catch on so who's to say the Shichi could (ideally nobody should be able to observe the trap being sprung I'd think)? This combined with the Shichibukai's proximity to the bay makes think that Sengoku only cares about getting WB and his troops.

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          who knows how the strawhats are gonna get stronger i mean they have a chance of two possible new members margaret and someone at fishmen island and we already knowzoro is going to get nidai the last and best sword he can get and perona is either helping him or spying. Nami has her weather boosters. I have no idea what will happen with sanji chopper or usopp maybe chopper will get a flying point and usopp may get stronger bullets rememmber his beetle atlas attack he is on a place with beetles well idk. Franky is gonna get stronger armor plus info and weapons i guess built in weapons. Brooke some musical demonic spells like i said last time but no one believed me 😛

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            I know this will sound like a very wild theory, but I just want to throw it out there.

            Here's how I think the "send people flying" part of Kuma's ability works:

            First, we have to remember how he asks the question "If you were to go on a vacation, where would you like to go?"

            My theory is that his ability can sense the "theme" of the person, in other words, the overall make-up of the person's personality/thoughts/qualities, then sends the person to a location that suits such a "theme".

            Luffy -> Strength. Amazon Lily is an island where "Strength is beauty"
            Zoro -> We saw in the latest cover pic that he's at a place with a huge cross and a lot of swords, or if my logic is correct, a graveyard for samurais from a past battle/war. It gives a sense of "honor", "determination", etc etc that a model samurai's supposed to have.
            Sanji -> Lust. Pretty obvious there. (Just not the right type for him, unfortunately :P)
            Nami -> Curiosity, knowledge, observation.
            Robin -> Darkness, imprisonment, historical significance?
            Franky -> Perhaps him being a cyborg links him to technology.
            Chopper -> Animal pride? You never know… maybe deep down he's still somewhat discriminant towards humans (scar from the past). Maybe by the end of his story, he will stand up for the tribe people. That would definitely be legitimate character development.
            Brooke -> He's an undead. He was sent to a summoning ritual. Go figure.

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              who knows how the strawhats are gonna get stronger i mean they have a chance of two possible new members margaret and someone at fishmen island and we already knowzoro is going to get nidai the last and best sword he can get and perona is either helping him or spying. Nami has her weather boosters. I have no idea what will happen with sanji chopper or usopp maybe chopper will get a flying point and usopp may get stronger bullets rememmber his beetle atlas attack he is on a place with beetles well idk. Franky is gonna get stronger armor plus info and weapons i guess built in weapons. Brooke some musical demonic spells like i said last time but no one believed me 😛

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                It's been a while since I've looked at this site.

                I've been hearing a lot of speculation that Whitebeard will die in this arc.

                While I don't quite disagree with that theory, I think another likely death will be Vice-Admiral Garp. I can see him at the last minute saving Ace and/or Luffy and dying in the process, either in the process of saving them or allowing himself to be killed for disobeying the marines.

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                  @bakon:

                  It's been a while since I've looked at this site.

                  I've been hearing a lot of speculation that Whitebeard will die in this arc.

                  While I don't quite disagree with that theory, I think another likely death will be Vice-Admiral Garp. I can see him at the last minute saving Ace and/or Luffy and dying in the process, either in the process of saving them or allowing himself to be killed for disobeying the marines.

                  I agree with your words. I know Oda's not big on death, but I feel either Whitebeard or Garp will die in this war.

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                    "I know Oda's not big on death"

                    Understatement.

                    Sorry for the crappy quote, school internet is stopping me from quoting this message…

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                      I have a hunch that Boa Hancock's terrible past will be revealed to the amazon lily somehow. When you look at it Hancock snuck Luffy into the gaol and he stirred a major commotion and she also goes against the goverment and fight smoker. I think after the whitebeard arc, the goverment will find out Hancock association with Luffy, stripped her of her status and jailed her. Luffy and his crews probably are going to rescue her and her terrible past will be fully revealed. Plus Luffy has becomes so famous that anyone associate with him is considered as an enemy of Wg and Hancock is no exception.

                      I think white bear vs. the WG is a perfect opportunity for Dragon to strike and of course, he is more than likely will not let his son die. I would love to see Dragon fight against Sengoku. Wouldn't you?

                      When black beard is at the great gaol, what do you think he meant when he said he'll stirred up "something" like which the world has never seen?

                      After defeating gecko moria, the crews left and Lola's crew stay for a day until the fog is lift. Judging from the omnious ending, I think her crew got caught into that evil mist/cyclone. What do you think?

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                        I have a hunch that Boa Hancock's terrible past will be revealed to the amazon lily somehow. When you look at it Hancock snuck Luffy into the gaol and he stirred a major commotion and she also goes against the goverment and fight smoker. I think after the whitebeard arc, the goverment will find out Hancock association with Luffy, stripped her of her status and jailed her. Luffy and his crews probably are going to rescue her and her terrible past will be fully revealed. Plus Luffy has becomes so famous that anyone associate with him is considered as an enemy of Wg and Hancock is no exception.

                        I think white bear vs. the WG is a perfect opportunity for Dragon to strike and of course, he is more than likely will not let his son die. I would love to see Dragon fight against Sengoku. Wouldn't you?

                        When black beard is at the great gaol, what do you think he meant when he said he'll stirred up "something" like which the world has never seen?

                        After defeating gecko moria, the crews left and Lola's crew stay for a day until the fog is lift. Judging from the omnious ending, I think her crew got caught into that evil mist/cyclone. What do you think?

                        I don't so much mind the "Luffy + Crew have to help out Hancock" theory, I just sort of doubt it since we just went through a long streak with Hancock. Also, Luffy just went to save Ace from jail, and previously had to save Robin from Enies Lobby. I think Oda will give the "oh no we have to go rescue __________" a break for a while. Hancock probably won't get found out by the government because they have bigger things to worry about, and won't notice the truth in her actions.

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                          I think the death of WB is inevitable either at the hands of Black Beard(preferable) or at the hands of Sengaku or Akinu, the 3rd admiral with the magma powers.

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                            Ok I got how it will go down, Luffy will save Ace with Garps help. While leaving the 3 admirals will corner luffy and WB will jump in between / body slam one of them to get in between. He will order everyone to take off while he holds them off. The admirals make some comment like you think you can hold all 3 of us back, and WB proves he can. He tries to sacrifice himself while everyone else gets away. While the ship takes off WB gets hit and thinks he can die happily but marco steps in right then. WB says something like I ordered you to go, but marco and wb fight the admirals and the ever increasing marines around them… fade to black.

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                              Has anyone noticed how the Shichibukai have been excluded from the TOTTZ plan? Could Sengoku secretly be trying to wipe them out as well? I think he may be trying to.

                              Except for Dofl and Kuma yes.

                              Witch leads to another theory, Black Beard knows this, and plans on throwing it back in Sengoku's face HARD. After all, we have no idea why he left, I highly doubt its for a secret weapon. He might have decided to get the hell out of Dodge, and somehow finishing the Marines in one fell swoop now that their gathered in one place for awhile, thanks to this so called 'prison ability'.

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                                So the balance of power has been greatly disturbed.

                                Main Players:

                                *a. WG Marines (Hemorrhaging), Shichibukai (on life support)

                                b. Yonkou * 1 is fighting the marines, 2 are fighting each other, the one left has still to make a move (in acute critical status)

                                c. Revolutionaries: (Healthy and increasing in strength)

                                The Marines+Shichibukai and 3/4 of the Yonkou had managed to cancel each other out. This leads to a shift in power, favoring the revolutionaries. Upon the end of this war, Nations allied to the WG will be rendered nearly defenseless due to substantial loss of military force from the marines. This leads to more nations being controlled by the Revolutionaries.

                                More nations = more strength

                                Now, with this the "NEW ERA" will start.

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                                  ^The Revolutionaries were never apart of the balance of powers.

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                                    O.O Did I mentioned they are part of the balance? No No you got it wrong, I said they are part of the main players.

                                    Definition of terms: Only to be used in Renegadesoul's theory

                                    Main Players: Group/s that play a major rule in the NEW ERA.


                                    With the war, there is a definite shift of power (not to be confused with balance of power), it is implied to be favoring the group who hasnt fully participated in the War yet (ID revolutionary group is the reason for this "NOT SO FULLY PARTICIPATED IN THE WAR" notion).

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                                      It's too early to conclude that the WG/Marines are too weak to fight back against the revolutionaries. It's only Marine HQ fighting against WB. While they are the major force in the Grand Line we don't know anything about the other armies the countries of the WG have. A small country like Arabasta had a million soldiers which is 10 times the number of marines fighting against WB at the moment.

                                      One Piece chapter 6xx, somewhere in the New World:

                                      Blackbeard: Shanks never told you what happened to your father.

                                      Usopp: He told me enough! He told me you killed him.

                                      Blackbeard: No. I am your father.

                                      Usopp: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

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                                        Ok so the theory :

                                        WB was a marine in Rogers time.

                                        Facts:
                                        -WB hasn't got any older crew member (like Rayleigh), not even a lot in their 40's (Ace commented that BB is quite old)
                                        -Garp fought with Roger, WB fought with Roger so why it hasn't mentioned once that Garp fought with WB? If Wb were a pirate back then, who were Roger's equal, Garp should have fought with him at least a several times too.
                                        -WB mentioned: The only ones who know the sea well today : Himself, Garp and Sengoku (and Roger), not even Rayleigh so these people were the most powerful,influential back then. If we assume this, it's impossible that Garp was still a VA at that time while Sengoku was an admiral (Ohara arc, and another question, who was the Fleet Admiral?)

                                        Conclusion(s):
                                        -Garp was at least an admiral, got demoted or just self decision.
                                        -WB was an admiral too or the Fleet Admiral.

                                        What do you think?

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                                          Ok so the theory :

                                          WB was a marine in Rogers time.

                                          Facts:
                                          -WB hasn't got any older crew member (like Rayleigh), not even a lot in their 40's (Ace commented that BB is quite old)
                                          -Garp fought with Roger, WB fought with Roger so why it hasn't mentioned once that Garp fought with WB? If Wb were a pirate back then, who were Roger's equal, Garp should have fought with him at least a several times too.
                                          -WB mentioned: The only ones who know the sea well today : Himself, Garp and Sengoku (and Roger), not even Rayleigh so these people were the most powerful,influential back then. If we assume this, it's impossible that Garp was still a VA at that time while Sengoku was an admiral (Ohara arc, and another question, who was the Fleet Admiral?)

                                          Conclusion(s):
                                          -Garp was at least an admiral, got demoted or just self decision.
                                          -WB was an admiral too or the Fleet Admiral.

                                          What do you think?

                                          Ace said that Blackbeard was an "old timer"… not old. Meaning that he had been on WB's ship considerably longer than Ace.

                                          It doesn't have to be mentioned that WB and Garp faught. They only say that Garp "cornered the Pirate King" because it's a way to distinguish Garp's strength (by using the strongest pirate of all time). If he faught Roger, it's only logical he faught or would have faught Whitebeard if they ever met (which is likely).

                                          Whitebeard didn't need to say Rayleigh knew the seas. He just names the front men (captains and high ranks in the marines). By saying Roger he probably means to include Rayleigh and some other strong members of his crew.

                                          If Whitebeard was an Admiral before I don't think he'd have such a huge reputation as a pirate right now. That past would always be there. Plus Whitebeard couldn't be more pirate-like.

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                                            It's too early to conclude that the WG/Marines are too weak to fight back against the revolutionaries. It's only Marine HQ fighting against WB. While they are the major force in the Grand Line we don't know anything about the other armies the countries of the WG have. A small country like Arabasta had a million soldiers which is 10 times the number of marines fighting against WB at the moment.

                                            Hence the theory. Its not that the marines are becoming too weak but more of weakened. Having a significant amount of powerful marine personnel and officers injured or dead will surely play a factor in response to a revolutionary army attack. Its true that some countries may have significant number of soldiers but the revolutionaries may also have significant amount of armies to counter this force (Example: Arabasta Army vs Arabasta Revolutionaries). Without the marines to send powerful reinforcements these countries will eventually fall into the hands of the revolutionaries.

                                            Examples:

                                            a.1) WG allied country < (Revolutionaries + Revolutianry army reinforcements)

                                            a.2) (WG allied country + Marines) = (Revolutionaries + Revolutianry army reinforcements)

                                            a.3) (WG allied country + Marines) > Revolutionaries

                                            Given the scenario where in the revolutionaries will launch a coordinated attack on all WG allied countries. It would be too hard on the marines to send aid to these countries.

                                            It would be a different story if other parties get involved (Example: Croc's Baroque Works, Pirate attacks, and etc).

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                                              I like the theory that WB was a marine as he does seem to have a very strong sense of justice and love for his fellow man. He can be easily surmised that he became disillusioned with the world governments so called justice and went off to find his own.

                                              Theory: The real reason Vivi stayed behind was not just to care for her country but to take care of little Luffy Jr without fear of marines and without hampering her baby daddy's freedom. She will also marry the leader of the resistance to hide the fact the child is luffy's.

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                                                O.O Did I mentioned they are part of the balance? No No you got it wrong, I said they are part of the main players.

                                                Definition of terms: Only to be used in Renegadesoul's theory

                                                Main Players: Group/s that play a major rule in the NEW ERA.


                                                With the war, there is a definite shift of power (not to be confused with balance of power), it is implied to be favoring the group who hasnt fully participated in the War yet (ID revolutionary group is the reason for this "NOT SO FULLY PARTICIPATED IN THE WAR" notion).

                                                The first sentence of your post is **"**So the balance of power has been greatly disturbed." LOL

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                                                  I predict a powerful foe will fight Sanji and recognize Sanji's style as that of the legendary Zeff who was once an opponent of him

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                                                    What do you think? Krieg said he was a really powerful and famous pirate and he was 1 year at the grandline.
                                                    Still he was cheap shotted/beated by Gin and couldn't to anything. his whole crew was "defeated" by a big wave and Mihawk didn't even took him as a danger.
                                                    But on the other way he put the fire of Pearl out with an air kick. A feat Sanji hasn't shown so far… As well as footprints in steel.

                                                    Was he really that powerful like it was said and if yes why no one recognize Sanji using the same style as the legendary Zeff?

                                                    An other thing I tought about. Could it be that he was once a member of the Roger pirates and after the crew dispanded he formed his own crew? And could it be that he was once a Yonkou? "Red hair" "Red Leg"? If the theory is right about the mythical aspect of the yonkou I can see that.

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                                                      Yeah he was a yonkou…

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                                                          I think he wasn't really trying in the Baratie Arc,he just sat back and let the youngsters do it so theyd have a small taste of future battles,and to try and open Sanjis eyes to fullfil dreams. The big wave coulda been a logia shooting a wave of whatever element they posses and not an actual wave.

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                                                            He was powerful and famous from the viewpoint of people who had never been to the grand line, I think that says enough

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                                                              I think he was really strong but since he lost a leg he lost "half" of this power.
                                                              You need a healthy leg to stand and have the grip on the ground. If not, the kick weakens.
                                                              And considering the fact that Luffy and his crew are just 3 months on the GL and became that strong I think being a year on the GL is just enormous.

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                                                                Well I doubt that he was a Yonkou or part of the Roger-pirates but with the rest I don't know.

                                                                He didn't seem that powerful but still could do things Sanji hasn't shown so far and was heavily hyped by Krieg.

                                                                And I had the idea way back that someone should realize Sanji's style. maybe a former rival or defeated foe by Zeff whcih will let us see how strong he really was.

                                                                It would have character development too if we could see if Sanji dupsoassed Zeff or not.

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                                                                he was one year on the grandline so he knows what peorple are around.

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                                                                Well I doubt that Logia-theory. It was a normal wave which destroyed the ship. And Zeff an co were suprised by the wave and couldn't plan out a way to stop it in that short time like Zoro/luffy

                                                                The only thing what bothers me is… He let himself beat by Zeff. If he was strong he should have reacted or sense Gin.

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                                                                  Well I doubt that Logia-theory. It was a normal wave which destroyed the ship. And Zeff an co were suprised by the wave and couldn't plan out a way to stop it in that short time like Zoro/luffy

                                                                  The only thing what bothers me is… He let himself beat by Zeff. If he was strong he should have reacted or sense Gin.

                                                                  Maybe he has gotten to old to dodge like the old days,and the fact of his missing leg to.

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                                                                    Still he was cheap shotted/beated by Gin and couldn't to anything. his whole crew was "defeated" by a big wave and Mihawk didn't even took him as a danger.
                                                                    But on the other way he put the fire of Pearl out with an air kick. A feat Sanji hasn't shown so far… As well as footprints in steel.

                                                                    So he was cheap beaten by Gin but can on the other hand if he wants pwn krieg and every member of his crew?

                                                                    Was he really that powerful like it was said and if yes

                                                                    Yes he was.

                                                                    why no one recognize Sanji using the same style as the legendary Zeff?

                                                                    I'm waiting for some comments on it in the new world.

                                                                    An other thing I tought about. Could it be that he was once a member of the Roger pirates and after the crew dispanded he formed his own crew?

                                                                    Hmm i thought he was captain of his own crew.

                                                                    And could it be that he was once a Yonkou? "Red hair" "Red Leg"? If the theory is right about the mythical aspect of the yonkou I can see that.

                                                                    One year seems a little short to become an emperor ruling the new world. If he was then he would have been recognized everywhere won't he? I mean even marines eat in his restaurant. But if he was then hmm meh 🙂

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                                                                      So he was cheap beaten by Gin but can on the other hand if he wants pwn krieg and every member of his crew?

                                                                      Yes he was.

                                                                      I'm waiting for some comments on it in the new world.

                                                                      Hmm i thought he was captain of his own crew.

                                                                      One year seems a little short to become an emperor ruling the new world. If he was then he would have been recognized everywhere won't he? I mean even marines eat in his restaurant. But if he was then hmm meh 🙂

                                                                      No that wasn't what I meant. I never said he could own Kriegs crew but if he was tthat powerful as Krieg said he could have do much more and wouldn't be knocked down that easily.

                                                                      He should be more powerful than sanji at Baratie and Sanji fought on par with Gin

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                                                                        Think mid-level New World pirate. Known to lesser pirates but still nobody special among dozens and dozens of big shots.

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                                                                          And considering the fact that Luffy and his crew are just 3 months on the GL and became that strong I think being a year on the GL is just enormous.

                                                                          That is not really a reference, there are tons of pirates on the GL, who have been there longer than Luffy, and don't become so powerful.

                                                                          But I still think he was mostly hyped from the viewpoint of people who either had not been to the GL before or feared it greatly. Remember east blue is the most backwater place in the whole of the OP world with an average bounty of 3 million, people will be easier to impress. Sure he lost a leg and is older now, but WB is also old, Shanks lost an arm, it makes a difference but not an enormous diffeence. Zeff lost to a guy like Gin it is not possible that he was really powerful imo.
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                                                                          Think mid-level New World pirate. Known to lesser pirates but still nobody special among dozens and dozens of big shots.

                                                                          Then he should have been stronger than Luffy is now, which makes no sense.

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                                                                            Even if mid-level NW pirate he shouldn't have problems with Krieg and Gin.

                                                                            Shanks is owning with one arm

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                                                                              Maybe he went to small islands that didn't have any danger and kept himself safe that way?

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                                                                                There are jsut 2 ways.

                                                                                1. He isn't that strong

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                                                                                2. He did let himself KO on purpose and did nothing to see Luffy and Co fighting.

                                                                                I doubt Sanji surpassed him now and I hope he will be mentioned once again in a fight with Sanji

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                                                                                  Clearly 2 KiShiDo.

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                                                                                    It's not about how many party tricks you know, but about how good of a fighter you actually are. Sanji beat a CP9 who could do rankyaku, shows that clearly.

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                                                                                      when jeff was a yonkou the marines wont let him have such a good life after that.. i think he was a well-known pirate at the grandline who survived a year! (but the GL wasnt that horrible as anybody was saying before..)
                                                                                      sanji should know be close behing jeff`s level of fighting strenght in my eyes, still a little improvement is needed…

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                                                                                        And I doubt Sanji surpassed him now. Sanji can't kcik the air in a Rankyaku way and put out fire and he can't kick through steel or left footprints

                                                                                        Sanji can kick canon balls without too much effort and he can break ppl`s tekkai.Considering also the fact that he is possibly stronger than the man of steel(Franky).I would say that if didnt surpassed him(Zeff) yet,he is very close.

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                                                                                          How did he return from the Grand Line after one year, anyway? I thought backtracking was pretty much impossible there because of compasses don't work, and Log Poses only send a person forward.

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                                                                                            How did he return from the Grand Line after one year, anyway? I thought backtracking was pretty much impossible there because of compasses don't work, and Log Poses only send a person forward.

                                                                                            Mihawk, Shanks went from New World/Grand Line to East Blue. What's the problem?

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                                                                                              He's old and lost his leg after almost dying of starvation&dehydration on a deserted Island. We know old people(besides WB) in OP get weaker with age so that combined with his near death experience and years of being just a cook could easily dull his power&skill. He could have also just been a strong guy on the first half. Not a Nova since it took a year, but strong enough to make a name for himself. Being strong doesn't necessarily mean racking up a bounty.

                                                                                              Then he should have been stronger than Luffy is now, which makes no sense.

                                                                                              By mid level I meant as powerful as these nameless Captains who were shown in spreads before given their own panels. Barbossa look-a-like, squid dude, Ginger dude who is first seen shocked about Dragon's name. I doubt these guys are stronger than Luffy, who all out beat a Rear/VA level Giant and even love tapped Teach. Even WB's Division commanders ganged up on Rons. I'm sure Hannybal who went around level 5 naked, could put up a decent fight against many of these captains. They all can't be level 6 quality.

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                                                                                                By mid level I meant as powerful as these nameless Captains who were shown in spreads before given their own panels. Barbossa look-a-like, squid dude, Ginger dude who is first seen shocked about Dragon's name. I doubt these guys are stronger than Luffy, who all out beat a Rear/VA level Giant and even love tapped Teach. Even WB's Division commanders ganged up on Rons. I'm sure Hannybal who went around level 5 naked, could put up a decent fight against many of these captains. They all can't be level 6 quality.

                                                                                                It would make no sense to call the supernova's "rookies" if they are actually more powerful than the pirate captains in the NW!

                                                                                                And about that giant Luffy beat, whenever a giant with a title was taken down, others called out his name and rank. This was a regular giant (fodder).

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                                                                                                  It would make no sense to call the supernova's "rookies" if they are actually more powerful than the pirate captains in the NW!

                                                                                                  And about that giant Luffy beat, whenever a giant with a title was taken down, others called out his name and rank. This was a regular giant (fodder).

                                                                                                  Because rookie=/= strength and not experience? Clearly Luffy wasn't fighting alongside two Warlords earlier, one of which he defeated, Wrecked the 2nd highest ranked person at ID, and defeated the strongest Assassin/secret agent whose strength was acknowledged by VAs and a Shichibukai? Kidd&Law weren't shown to be on par with Luffy? Other Nova didn't look as strong as our Hero? Not all captains in the NW can be uber. Many likely weren't Nova level leaving SA for Fishman Isle and gained massive boosts in strength just by surviving in the NW.

                                                                                                  A Giant is a Giant, or are Dorry&Broggy fodder now? He seemed decorated so I doubt he was lesser ranked than a Rear Admiral. Who do you think is the main leadership force in the New World? Who do you think made all those level 5&6 arrests? Who takes on the majority of 100m+ pirates in the GL and more commonly NW? Probably them since Admirals can't be everywhere, the same with VAs&Warlords. Yeah I believe he was weaker than Rons, but he surely wasn't a guy anybody with a little status could have taken down. Vetting process to become and survive as a RA is likely just as hard if not harder than simply entering, surviving, and gaining some status in the New World as a pirate.

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                                                                                                    Stay out if you don't take this seriously

                                                                                                    You're the one being unserious…
                                                                                                    First of all, The East Blue Saga is not compareable to the grandline, every person there said they were the strongest, and the power of the people were just not compareble to the GL people. It's like it's two different storys.. Like supermand vs Goku.

                                                                                                    Second you ask if he was a yonkou...
                                                                                                    1. Do you think the yonkous was made back in the east blue?
                                                                                                    2. Red Hair, Red leg... Should the third admiral be a yonkou too?

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                                                                                                      Weather in one piece is as lethal as weather in real world

                                                                                                      A storm in the open sea can easily destroy a boat
                                                                                                      No matter how strong you are if a tornado comes to your boat you are kinda fucked

                                                                                                      Well of couse if you go to people like shanks and WB that divided the sky in a clash of weapons yeah they can make it go away….
                                                                                                      Now if you go to a new world random pirate... well i doubt that they can make a fucking huge tornado go away
                                                                                                      Well luffy and zoro were just able to break a "hole" in a wave... working together... for just a few seconds

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                                                                                                        why is there someone whining about the legendary zeff and reckognizing sanji's fighting style in every single thread I open? plain irritating to say the least

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