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    • Gizmo
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      Theory about the World Government.

      For my school I was reading the story Caucasian Mummies Mystify Chinese. It's about how China found caucasian mummies in Xinjiang. This caused a kink in their history because their whole life was revolved around the fact that China was self reliant. They didn't want to accept the fact that their could be a possibility that they had help.

      It'd be like finding out undenyable proof that God didn't exist. The impact of there being no God would be disasterous, reguardless of what God/gods you believe in. Without that, there's a probability that more chaos would occur.

      This goes to my point about the World Government. The World Government is trying to hide "true history". The reason may be unclear, but its probably has to do with chaos. Whatever was in the history they're trying to hide, it's for the greater good. Whatever was in the history probably goes directly against a common belief of justice which would cause the world to do unjust practices and create total chaos in the world. So, the WG is for the best for everybody, or at least the greater of two evils.

      Originally Posted by Nightwing

      Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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        The 100 Years of Blank History
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        All 3 of these are directly related, I believe, and we will learn more about them in the future. For now, though, we can only guess. Here's my theory:

        It happened 800 years ago. The entire world was in one piece ( lol ), and there was a sense of peace and self governing within this place. Then, one day, 5 men came to a rise in power.

        These men had made a deal with Satan, and, by giving up to his will, been given extremely powerful weapons to use at their expense to rule the world. It was called Pluton. And thus, they did rule it very well. However, these governing bodies were not kind ones. They were extremely strict, outrageous in laws and taxes, and made themselves gods. The world went from peace to distress.

        Then, one day, a group of people came together and started to plan the first revolution. These people were crazy, extremely hopeful, and wanted the feeling of freedom. This group that gave themselves something to distinct them. It is the Initial D. Since the weapon that was being used by the government was a land weapon, these people decided to use a different attack route, one by sea, thus becoming the worlds first Pirates. The D. Group was quite the sucess, taking out many government facilities. Even though they were made of only a few people, they considered themselves family ( // Saulo ).

        The government seen what was going on, and realized they couldn't stop this. So they asked Satan for something else, something more powerful to stop the uprisings. Their wish was granted, and thus they recieved another weapon. It was called Poseidon.

        Poseidon was a sucess. Now, the Pirates on sea and the Revolutionaries on land were held back. A plan had to be made.

        The leader of the D. group decided that they would do a final strike. They would head to the source of the destruction and take out the government once and for all. So all of the D's came together, and they attacked.

        The World Government became aware, and attacked with both of their weapons. It was war. This was the wore that lasted 100 years. The after effect was devastating.

        The weapons were so destructive that the entire world was nearly destroyed. The land was split in many places, some places completely obliterated. This created the Grand Line, Calm Belts, Red Line, and the rest of the blue seas.

        At the very last year of the 100 year war, the government had destroyed even themselves, and vanished. Most of the D.'s also were killed, and many other people also. Even the Devil himself was involved in the terrible war, and he perished.

        Some of the last few D.s hid the weapons after realizing that they could not be destroyed no matter what they tried to do. They realized that the government had caused almost the end of the world, and thus wanted the future to realize that freedom is truly the only way to live. They created the Poneglyphs and scattered them across the world, describing this terrible time and what had happened.

        Then, out of nowhere, the government arose again. They were the same people who were there before the war, and they were very much alive. This time, they realized, they could not depend on their weapons because of Pluton and Poseidon had vanished. Even the Devil, who they frequently depended on, had died in the terrible War. But, they still created one thing.

        They formed the worlds first Navy. This Navy was formed after the government made a speach, telling how they see this new world as a place of hope and peace and Absolute Justice! Thus, people allowed it, and it was created as so. It quickly grew. They also created new laws, one of the first being that no one could read the Poneglyphs. They wanted no disruption.

        It was also realized at this time that some of the people of the world were different. People started reporting terrible curses. It was quickly discovered that fruits were causing people's to become gentically altered in some way. They were dubbed Devil Fruits, and the government realized that they had come from the last stregnth the Devil had before dying in the Great War. These fruits were part of his own body.

        The government realized the darnger of these fruits existing. If the newly formed pirates ate these fruits, and enough of them formed together, along with D.s, then they could fall this time. So they made a plan to collect all of the fruits and use them for themselves. However, they quickly realized they were spread all across the world, and there was no chance for them to collect them all. So, they created something else.

        For some reason, the people who ate fruits were made immobile when submerged in water. It was said the Sea, the endless vast FREEDOM, was the opposite of the Devil, the being who had helped the old government. Because they were opposites, they made the user of the Devil Fruit immobile when submerged.

        So, since the government could not collect all the Devil Fruits, they created something different. Sea Stone. They discovered that by hardening sea water with a special technique, they could create stone that gave off the same radiation the ocean seemed to. This wiould become the government's new weapon against those who ate the Devil Fruits.

        Time passed, pirates formed, revolutionaries were created, the Navy grew larger, the world expanded.

        And thus, time fades into where we are now.

        Discussion.

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          It would have made a pretty nice fanfic if you didn't add Satan to it…X|

          Anyways. From what has been revealed, we know that there was a powerful kingdom which was destroyed by allied forces (or countries). Those allied forces became what the One Piece world knows today as the World Government. The whole reason they don't want people to know about the lost 800 years is because they fear that the fallen kingdoms beliefs would resurface and cause their downfall.

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            ^ Replace the word Satan with Devil. I realied it half way through, heeh. ^^

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              It's alright, i'd believe it. It's basically the classic bad and corrupt using devil to do evil.

              It's just not fair to the government though. Its really 2D on the whole thing, and the whole situation may not be so black and white.

              Originally Posted by Nightwing

              Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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                My theory: Roger is Luffy's great-uncle.

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                  Davy Jones theory:

                  What happens if Davy Jones, or just anybody like him, collected a crew full of merman that ate DFs. And the only way that he'd save the merman is if they swore they're loyalty to Davy Jones or the savior. And then if they try to mutiny, the dude has a crazy power.

                  Originally Posted by Nightwing

                  Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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                    You know, Davy Jones isn't a gyojin in anything but Pirates of the Carribean. In everything else he's just a reg. pirate.

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                      @Impel:

                      You know, Davy Jones isn't a gyojin in anything but Pirates of the Carribean. In everything else he's just a reg. pirate.

                      still, all it takes is a crazy person/merman smart enough to try and find merman that sank to the bottom of the sea to try to strike a deal with them

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                      Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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                        Why is everyone always thinking that Davy Jones is going to be a part of One Piece? We don't even know if Oda KNOWS who Davy Jones is!

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                          You mean despite the whole Davy Back fight being entirely in his honor?

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                            Woops…didn't know that the Davy Back was dedicated to him cause I thought the Davy Back was really lame cause Luffy got beaten up by a weak person. I didn't watch like most of it.
                            Anyways there still isn't anything that shows that Davy Jones is still alive and stuff. THough now that I know about the Davy Back dedication theres a chance...

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                              Something I came up with after rewatching Robin's flashback: Raftel was the island where the great civilization existed during the Void Century. It's allegedly the location of the Rio Poneglyph, and it would make sense for the lost history to exist on the same island where most of that history happened.

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                                I think the great kingdom starts with a D.

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                                  They won't be in grand line anymore but in one of th blues (west?) when they'll get out out of thriller bark (it's coming from west blue, after all)

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                                    Why? It's in the GL now, it's not like it'll teleport.

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                                      Ace will come back to life because of his fire theme and how a pheonix can rise from its own ashes

                                      ::awaiting signature::

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                                        This isnt really a theory, but I was watching the anime again and I thought this was cool

                                        around 1:38

                                        I'll post what Zoro says though…

                                        "Water. Light. Fire. The elements that destroy. Even things without substance can be… cut!"

                                        Its part of his training in Skypia.

                                        HOWEVER I went back to my manga collection and this part seems to be added in by the animators.

                                        Which makes me question do you think this is credible proof that the "Breath of all things" applies to the elements?

                                        Its always assumed that Mihawk can cut the elements but I dont think there has been any direct proof right? I didnt want to start a new thread so i decided to post this here. Well what do you guys think of this?

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                                        Luffy's Ballad

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                                        Baroque Works Saga

                                        East Blue Saga

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                                          He can cut it, of course. But if it's a logia, it can just come back together. I mean, ice is breakable, yet Ao Kiji's logia is ice and it got shattered and he's still normal.

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                                            well a normal slice yes…

                                            But using the "breath of all things" Im sure swordsmen can injure Logias, or perhaps even cut them as if they werent Logias at all.

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                                              Or you could use a Seastone sword.

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                                                Or you could use a Seastone sword.

                                                Well duh but do you honestly think that Mihawk or Zoro would rely on a seastone sword?

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                                                  Zoro can alter reality and Kaku summons wind spirits to fight.

                                                  Proof:

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                                                    zoro will probably get a seastone sword. he just lost one, and they're going to merman island. merman island probably has a blacksmith or someone who will make him or give him a sword. if it was seastone, zoro could use it against pesky devil fruit users.

                                                    my #1 theory-dragon has devil fruit powers that let him control the weather.

                                                    think about it. when luffy was about to be executed, a bolt of lightning struck buggy, saving luffy.
                                                    later on, smoker notices that the strawhats will have a perfect tailwind, allowing them to escape. he wonders if there is some sort of "higher force" is saving luffy.

                                                    dragon was on the island the whole time.

                                                    and controlling the weather would make him a formidable pirate indeed. especially on the sea, it would make him formidable enough to be a major threat to the world government. he could conjure up storms and such to sink even the largest government vessels before they even got near him.

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                                                      Seastone sword is major blargh and in my opinion, is quite lame and cheap.

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                                                        the logia-typ charas are for luffy …he also have devilfruitpowers and so he must beat them up...like sir crocodile,enel,aokiji,smoker ace and who ever will come(BB for sure)...😄

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                                                          @Pants-eater:

                                                          Seastone sword is major blargh and in my opinion, is quite lame and cheap.

                                                          But Smoker does it…. :whiny voice:

                                                          I could see a modular sword... he can fasten different blades on, a regular steel one, a serrated one, a seastone one... or is that too Usopp?

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                                                            But Smoker does it…. :whiny voice:

                                                            I could see a modular sword... he can fasten different blades on, a regular steel one, a serrated one, a seastone one... or is that too Usopp?

                                                            That, sir, is way too Ussop.

                                                            I really want to see impact dial ammunition!
                                                            I'd also like to see Zoro get his hands on a haunted sword in this arc. It would be an alternative to a DF or a seastone sword, and it would also have possibilities for future comedic scenarios. Zoro yelling at his swords during fights to shut up would be awesome.

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                                                              @Don:

                                                              the logia-typ charas are for luffy …he also have devilfruitpowers and so he must beat them up...like sir crocodile,enel,aokiji,smoker ace and who ever will come(BB for sure)...😄

                                                              that should be interesting. if luffy uses his powers, and blackbeard touched him and takes them away, luffy could easily die. imagine a 2nd-gear luffy getting his rubber body transformed into a normal one. his organs, not being rubber anymore, would not be able to take the strain, and he'd probably explode or something along those lines. luffy will have to beat up blackbeard without using any rubbery-powers. jus plain hand-to-hand combat.

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                                                                Why? It's in the GL now, it's not like it'll teleport.

                                                                Brooke said that thriller bark was coming from west blue after the signal, so we can safely assume that it's able to move at high speed.
                                                                New they're on thriller bark, and the ships are attached to the island ; but it doesn't mean that the whole system has stopped to move…

                                                                that's why i see a possibility for them not to be in grandline anymore after going out of this little arc.

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                                                                  that should be interesting. if luffy uses his powers, and blackbeard touched him and takes them away, luffy could easily die. imagine a 2nd-gear luffy getting his rubber body transformed into a normal one. his organs, not being rubber anymore, would not be able to take the strain, and he'd probably explode or something along those lines. luffy will have to beat up blackbeard without using any rubbery-powers. jus plain hand-to-hand combat.

                                                                  thats how BB will fight again all his enemys…..only with his power...
                                                                  all who have any devilfruit cant fight with their devilpüower and so they must fight with their normalpower and their BB is a really heavy enemy cause he think of hisself as the powerfullst in the world so he want to beat everyone without the factor devilfruit:happy:

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                                                                    How long until this shows up? I mean, seriously, it would spell doom for DF users. It seems to me like this would be an easy way to beat BB too. Think about how easy the Ace vs. BB fight would've been if Ace had some seastone on him that was covered against his skin but he could use against BB.

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                                                                      Well, you could still use something like a hammer to smash them or anything else that prevents direct contact with the armor but still allows you to attack physically.

                                                                      And even those who do not attack physically should be more or less safe, as many of them have long- or mid-ranged attacks: Mr. 3, Ace, Aokiji and Enel for example.

                                                                      The only ones who might have severe trouble are people like Robin or Blackbeard, because their powers require direct contact… hmmmh.

                                                                      to pull a Vivi, v.

                                                                      to stick to a certain group of people, principle, ideal, etc. for an extended period of time just to jump off due to an ulterior motif at the very last, frickin moment.

                                                                      1\. I left my wife for you! Now don't pull a Vivi on me!

                                                                      2\. I've got to pull a Vivi: No more beer for me…

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                                                                        If someone's gonna use it he's gonna suck. Those who won't even need it are the World Powers and such.
                                                                        It won't effect Alvida, Luffy, or any Logia thou. Ace can burn him from distance, Aokiji too, and he can't hurt Alvida or Luffy because their powers are full-time activted. It's not gonna help against BB either, since pretty much everything hit him.

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                                                                          Rai, I don't understand your post? Does Luffy not lose his stretchiness from sea stone? Why doesn't he just pull himself out of water then. As for BB, why would this not be effective? When he pulls you in, the second you touch him he loses the power, then you stab him or something.

                                                                          As for long-range users, perhaps some kind of sea stone bullets? We've already seen sea stone nets…

                                                                          EDIT: Now that I think about it, sea stone bullets that get stuck in the person would be super effective. It wouldn't take much, just kind of a wide-shot shotgun sorta deal.

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                                                                            Sea Stone Armor would be overkill, since (so far) Seastone seems to be indestructible (or very resilient). And even if Luffy or Alvida can't have their powers "turned off", they still become very weak in contact with Seastone (see Luffy touching the bars in Crocodile's trap). Luffy seems to get even weaker than Robin or Enel became when they were touching Seastone.

                                                                            Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.

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                                                                              why do the marines instead of getting pirates in the jail operate them some seastone in the body so that they are unable to move forever….so they busted the high pirates\or criminals
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                                                                                Rai, I don't understand your post? Does Luffy not lose his stretchiness from sea stone? Why doesn't he just pull himself out of water then. As for BB, why would this not be effective? When he pulls you in, the second you touch him he loses the power, then you stab him or something.

                                                                                Nope, he doesn´t lose this ability. As seen in the Arlong Arc, his limbs could be stretched even though he was deep below the water. The reason why he can´t use his powers to get out of it is because the other effect that water and seastones have is that the DF user totally loses his strenght.

                                                                                And since Luffy and Alvida´s ability is permantentally activaded it wouldn´t have an effect on them. But on other abilities it would most definitely work.

                                                                                As for long-range users, perhaps some kind of sea stone bullets? We've already seen sea stone nets…

                                                                                Yeah, I´m also waiting for this silver bullet-esque weapon to appear at some point. I´m mean it´s not like that would be an instakill against an ability user. If non-ability users can survive regular bullets then ability users should also be able to even win a fight against someone that uses seastone-bullets.

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                                                                                  Yeah, I wasn't suggesting that sea stone bullets would kill a Df user, but would make them very vulnerable. Vulnerable enough to be crushed easily by the kind of fighters showing up recently.

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                                                                                    It is harder than diamonds.

                                                                                    I dont see it coming up tho. I mean I dont think anyone could find enough of it to make armor. I mean even if you did, itd be better made into a weapon or incapacitating device than an armor. It wouldnt be usefull at all. (Like someone said, they could attack your exposed parts, and if its a full body armor, your not moving much, so they just walk away.)

                                                                                    We may see Kairoseki weapons, but not armor.

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                                                                                      Sea Stone Armor would be overkill, since (so far) Seastone seems to be indestructible (or very resilient). And even if Luffy or Alvida can't have their powers "turned off", they still become very weak in contact with Seastone (see Luffy touching the bars in Crocodile's trap). Luffy seems to get even weaker than Robin or Enel became when they were touching Seastone.

                                                                                      If I remember right, Robin's handcuffs weren't touching here directly because of her shirt. I might be wrong thou.
                                                                                      Enel's from a different class, he's a Logia. Although it wasn't clearly stated I guess Logias only have their powers cancelled while Paramecias lose their power. Or, if the power needs to be activated or not would matter.

                                                                                      And as you can see, no one wearing a heavy armour will be able to touch Luffy to weaken him. It would certainly work against Robin thought, and would be a great deffense against almost any attack.

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                                                                                        Forgive me if this theory is old but I just thought of it. Could Mihawk's sword be made of seastone?

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                                                                                          I was going over the Davey Black fight arc and was on game two where Zoro and Sanji play ball. I then saw Foxy team, which consisted of two monkey like men and a fish man.

                                                                                          Then I began thinking about the Monkey men that are Monburen's fans(forgot their names). It is possible that their crew is all monkey men too. So I was thinking that their maybe be a monkey man Island in the new world. Do you think its possible? :wassat:

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                                                                                          Forgive me if this theory is old but I just thought of it. Could Mihawk's sword be made of seastone?

                                                                                          A man of his power probably doesnt need sea stone to slay a devil fruit user. I guess it could be though, but probably not.

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                                                                                            Forgive me if this theory is old but I just thought of it. Could Mihawk's sword be made of seastone?

                                                                                            I haven't heard it before, but it sounds plausible. If it's the best sword in the world, it'd also probably be the strongest sword. Since seastone is harder than any other material currently known in One Piece, it's a possibility. They're also both darkly colored.

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                                                                                              Kakashi is a shichibukai.

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                                                                                                That'd be awesome.

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                                                                                                  Or at least a kakashi-esque character.

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                                                                                                    Laboon is a whale Zoan

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                                                                                                      I don't know if someone has said this already but I believe that Ace isn't dead, or at least will come back into the story somehow… didn't he give Luffy a slip of paper saying that with it they'd be able to meet again? There must have been a purpose for that.

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                                                                                                        As for Zoro v. Mihawk, that'll probably happen pretty close to the end, the four emperors are on the same level as the shichibukai, so that the strawhats will probably be on that level close to the end of the series so that's when Zoro will fight him I guess. 😛

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