The Yonkou are the 4 pirates (now 3) who rule the New World like emperors. Buggy isn't even in the New World. Why would he be up for that spot?
Yea, if anything I could see that Brownbeard dude or even Blackbeard becoming an Yonkou more than Buggy. Besides, nobody can just be given that title by the government. They'd have to earn it…
I'm suprised the WG didn't notice how weak Buggy was in the war. Or how little he did other than help Luffy escape.
…Wow. I actually never thought about that possibility, but now that you've put it out there, I can totally see it happening. Man, Buggy'd ham that crap up.
I have had this idea since I heard that other level six prisoners escaped. That there has to be at least one among them who is a decent guy/girl. Once I started thinking like this I needed a reason why they would lose to the other inmates in the fight to join blackbeard. The obvious answer is they were unwilling to fight, but that didn't really seem very pirate like so I kept thinking, and this is a scenario I came up with (tell me what you think):
One of the prisoners was a plant logia of some sort. Like Blackbeard the plant logia (maybe tree) is different from others, it can't just phase through stuff. However, plants photosynthesize (turn sun light into energy) so this devil fruit would (besides whatever other powers) give the user freakish strength and stamina depending on how much sun they get. SO at the very bottom of impel down, where one never expects to see the light of day again, of course they would be weak and lose to the other inmates. But if they could survive, escape in the confusion, once in the light they would grow into a powerful force.
I also see this devil fruit as the superior to Kizaru, whose many light attacks would only fuel him, and he could hit kizaru. Heheheh. I know there is probably a lot of contreversy about a logia joining the strawhats, but I think if oda made such a devil fruit it would be pretty awesome.
@$abZ:
I'm suprised the WG didn't notice how weak Buggy was in the war. Or how little he did other than help Luffy escape.
Well yeah, Oda made that pretty clear that that's what the joke was.
There's often a thin line between speculation and fanfiction and you've crossed it.
Hey the yonkou position is for Sir Crocodile.
BB might get a position if they become gokou, and Buggy can get the sixth position if…
@$abZ:
I'm suprised the WG didn't notice how weak Buggy was in the war. Or how little he did other than help Luffy escape.
He survived after facing the 3 admirals and Mihawk. Thats pretty weak.
Yep, Buggy's the perfect candidate for shichibukai right now. It'd be awesomely funny–I hope it happens! It'd help Buggy follow Luffy to the New World too. He'll scare away opponents and access new areas thanks to a grand reputation. Misinformation is awesome!
@$abZ:
I'm suprised the WG didn't notice how weak Buggy was in the war. Or how little he did other than help Luffy escape.
I don't think it matters how weak he is, they have pascifista and admirals, what they really need in my opinion is to restabalize the shaken world. In the last couple chapters with Brownbeard, Windmill Village, and alabasta we have seen that weaklings everywhere think they can topple the world.
Blackbeard started an entirely new era, one like Flamingo pointed out early on (ironically calling it the age of smiles) will be built on chaos not stability)
The world government beat whitebeard (technically) they don't need to be stronger, but they need credibility.
Zephos is right .
Those dudes are most possibly deadlly murderers.
He survived after facing the 3 admirals and Mihawk. Thats pretty weak.
So you think he's strong?
I love how 80 percent of Buggy's crew is stronger than him.
No poll? Lock this trash.
@$abZ:
So you think he's strong?
No but the indications the WG got in the war, made him seem as a recognisable force..,.even if he was lucky.
I love how 80 percent of Buggy's crew is stronger than him.
I think it is really fearsome when a weak guy can control big shots and strong dudes. :ninja:
@$abZ:
So you think he's strong?
Context dude, context. We know he's strong, but does the world think that? The Grand Elders know he's a former member of the Roger crew, and a friend of Red Hair. He's an escapee of level six, and the prisoners (some of which are probably still in their, spreading rumors) believe him to be a great leader and a god-like man. He survived Mihawk's assault, as well as those of the three admirals. How many people saw him get his ass kicked? Not nearly as many as those who think he's awesome.
Plus, he's the leader of a crew of deadly level six prisoners. The leader, meaning many people will think he's great then them. It's been said before that a shichibukai needs to be feared by pirates, and reputation can equal fear…so what's the problem?
Buggy getting his ass kicked? Again, he's survived attacks from Mihawk and the admirals. Buggy's fighting ability is average, but his survival power is second to few. It's tough to prove Buggy's weaker then some dude as long as his "fight or flight" instinct is working. He's perfect for the role on paper, and that's probably enough.
No but the indications the WG got in the war, made him seem as a recognisable force..,.even if he was lucky.
I'm sure Aokiji noticed how easy it was to beat Buggy.
But I agree with the guy above about the WG using Buggy's name rather than his strength.
Context dude, context. We know he's strong, but does the world think that? The Grand Elders know he's a former member of the Roger crew, and a friend of Red Hair. He's an escapee of level six, and the prisoners (some of which are probably still in their, spreading rumors) believe him to be a great leader and a god-like man. He survived Mihawk's assault, as well as those of the three admirals. How many people saw him get his ass kicked? Not nearly as many as those who think he's awesome.
Plus, he's the leader of a crew of deadly level six prisoners. The leader, meaning many people will think he's great then them. It's been said before that a shichibukai needs to be feared by pirates, and reputation can equal fear…so what's the problem?
Buggy getting his ass kicked? Again, he's survived attacks from Mihawk and the admirals. Buggy's fighting ability is average, but his survival power is second to few. It's tough to prove Buggy's weaker then some dude as long as his "fight or flight" instinct is working. He's perfect for the role on paper, and that's probably enough.
some corrections, first i think you meant to say we know he's NOT strong
second buggy is not a lvl 6 prisoner
third, there are no level 6 prisoners following him
Zephos is right .
Those dudes are most possibly deadlly murderers.
Isn't one of the HUGE messages of one piece anyone can be good, and not to judge people by circumstances? How many strawhats started off as bad guys? Who would ever have guessed miss allsunday would become a strawhat?
All I'm saying is Oda is all about giving people chances, just because the rest of the world calls them trash doesn't make them trash. And what they need more than anything is someone to treat them like a human.
We make people monsters. Level six deadly murders? Psh, I think there has to be good in there.
As for my plant logia yeah you guys got me there, maybe it was a little too much
Nothing good can come out of level 6 , those who are there are not innocent civilians .
@$abZ:
I'm sure Aokiji noticed how easy it was to beat Buggy.
But I agree with the guy above about the WG using Buggy's name rather than his strength.
yeah this pretty much is my point, buggy isn't that strong, but what is most important is that people think he is strong. And I think he is strong enough to beat a lot of second rate trash
Nothing good can come out of level 6 , those who are there are not innocent civilians .
Ace and Jinbei were in level 6. Just saying…
@$abZ:
I'm suprised the WG didn't notice how weak Buggy was in the war. Or how little he did other than help Luffy escape.
Another part of being a Shichibukai is your reputation. One of the reasons Hancock got her title young was (along with her one campaign gettering her a 80 million bounty) was beecause of the reputation that the Kuja Pirates as a whole had. Buggy just got a lot of high bounty ex-prisoners as crewmates, he was labeled as the co-conspirator for the breakout (along with Luffy), and he's a former member of the Pirate King's crew. That combines for a good reputation. And his DF does make him immune from swords.
Isn't one of the HUGE messages of one piece anyone can be good, and not to judge people by circumstances?
No, not really.
Not that this matters, you're not speculating, just blindly taking a single concept and making up an entire backstory and plot for it. This is worthless.
How many strawhats started off as bad guys? Who would ever have guessed miss allsunday would become a strawhat?
Robin wasn't a bad guy, she was a fugitive who fell in with secret agent insurgents out of convenience.
All I'm saying is Oda is all about giving people chances, just because the rest of the world calls them trash doesn't make them trash. And what they need more than anything is someone to treat them like a human.
This is exceedingly corny.
We make people monsters. Level six deadly murders? Psh, I think there has to be good in there.
See the biggest problem with this is no one but you cares about this lame crusade of redemption in these completely unseen characters.
The manga itself expresses zero of this.
I think it is really fearsome when a weak guy can control big shots and strong dudes. :ninja:
I guess you think Spandam is fearsome then. 
@JERK:
No, not really.
Not that this matters, you're not speculating, just blindly taking a single concept and making up an entire backstory and plot for it. This is worthless.
Robin wasn't a bad guy, she was a fugitive who fell in with secret agent insurgents out of convenience.
This is exceedingly corny.
See the biggest problem with this is no one but you cares about this lame crusade of redemption in these completely unseen characters.
The manga itself expresses zero of this.
It's suprisng that someone named "jerk disease" doesn't agree. Say what you want, but Robin was an enemy; Zoro was described as a heartless demon, Chopper was feared as a monster, franky a dangerous thug, anyone who looked at brooke without knowing him probably would be terrified. One piece is all about giving people chances and not judging them by what they look like or what they are painted to be.
As for not having anything backing this up, i guess you got me there, but I don't think that oda would mention them escaping if it wouldn't be important later, he's too ingenious for that. So just wait and watch as I am right.
And I don't do OPwikia, so who ever it wrote there has nothing to do with me, nor had I ever seen it. I am sorry to have caused you a headache, I'll try not to do it again..
Sorry, I didn't mean to flame you or anything, my frustration is with the idiotic OPwiki edit (which thankfully was fixed, but it was like that for a long time) and you were just the deliveryman for it. Naturally I assumed you got that idea from that place. 
Sorry, I didn't mean to flame you or anything, my frustration is with the idiotic OPwiki edit (which thankfully was fixed, but it was like that for a long time) and you were just the deliveryman for it. Naturally I assumed you got that idea from that place.
No, it's nothing. I should have thought more of the origins when I posted my response. I was a bit rash with the answer that time, really. I should leave explaining japanese words to some, who can admirably pull it of, like you for instance. You're one of the people I sincerely admire and appreciate on these forums and I feel indebted to you for all the work you've done for the manga-reading community of ours. I don't want to cause, you of all people,extra pain just because I didn't think nearly enough.
It's suprisng that someone named "jerk disease" doesn't agree.
What does agreeing have to do anything. I'm a jerk for disagreeing? What?
Say what you want, but Robin was an enemy;
Robin wasn't a villain. She wasn't a wrongdoer.
Zoro was described as a heartless demon,
Zoro was described as a bounty hunter who was dangerous.
And where was his "redemption"?
Chopper was feared as a monster,
Chopper has nothing to do with your imagined theme.
Chopper was a victim of prejudice, not his own crimes and eventual redemption.
franky a dangerous thug,
Franky was a thug, was a thug in his flashback, and still is.
He's a natural thug. What does this have to do with actual villains being redeemed.
anyone who looked at brooke without knowing him probably would be terrified.
streeeeeetchhhh that premise.
One piece is all about giving people chances and not judging them by what they look like or what they are painted to be.
No it's not. One Piece is all about ambition.
There is no redemption theme whatsoever.
As for not having anything backing this up, i guess you got me there, but I don't think that oda would mention them escaping if it wouldn't be important later,
Oh because that totally substantiates the rambling you were doing.
he's too ingenious for that. So just wait and watch as I am right.
Congratulations on being worse then AGOG.
I'd rather people distort the manga then completely ignore it for flights of dumb fancy.
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
3 quick ones:
1. The last major war will not be at Raftel.
2. The series will not end with Luffy getting One Piece.
3. The title of the last chapter "Romance Dusk". (Or something that ties into the initial chapter)
I was thinking that since in two weeks there won't be a Jump Issue, we won't find out the news about Luffy until after the break.
There's so many characters that we could easily get enough reaction shots. I'm not hoping for it to happen, but that would be a cliffhanger.
@JERK:
Franky was a thug, was a thug in his flashback, and still is.
He's a natural thug. What does this have to do with actual villains being redeemed.
And, I will add that he only has stolen pirates. So we can't consider him to be a real villain.
But, it is still possible that some lvl6 prisoners are good guys. If Robin was sent to ID. Where do you think she will go? I won't be surprised if one of those guys was charged with a crime he didn't commit or just know too much about the WG.
Isn't one of the HUGE messages of one piece anyone can be good, and not to judge people by circumstances? How many strawhats started off as bad guys? Who would ever have guessed miss allsunday would become a strawhat?
All I'm saying is Oda is all about giving people chances, just because the rest of the world calls them trash doesn't make them trash. And what they need more than anything is someone to treat them like a human.
We make people monsters. Level six deadly murders? Psh, I think there has to be good in there.
As for my plant logia yeah you guys got me there, maybe it was a little too much
You realize there is a reason Oda had Iva refuse to let any level 6 prisoners out of their cells for the riot right? If there were any strong political or framed prisoners in level 6 it would have been brought up in the story. Actually they were and their names are Iva and Inazuma, they just weren't in level 6.
Level 4&5 are filled with murderers yet Iva still let them out and the Government would too if they survived their sentences. Apparently Level 6 prisoners are worse than your common mass murderers. There are absolutely no redeemable figures down there. Just pirates nastier than Spandam and the World Nobles with strength to commit their own atrocities undeterred.
Just a small theory with no real ground to it:
Vegapunk is a double agent.
Points supporting it:
It's not entirely out of the question to think that Vegapunk is using the WG to fund the Pacifista project. We already know the Pacifista are extremely powerful, probably Vice-Admiral level or even higher. It's plausible that the WG is blindly funding the project in an effort to bolster its militia, when in all reality, they could be signing their own death warrant.
As I said this is largely unfounded, but its still plausible.
You realize there is a reason Oda had Iva refuse to let any level 6 prisoners out of their cells for the riot right? If there were any strong political or framed prisoners in level 6 it would have been brought up in the story. Actually they were and their names are Iva and Inazuma, they just weren't in level 6.
Level 4&5 are filled with murderers yet Iva still let them out and the Government would too if they survived their sentences. Apparently Level 6 prisoners are worse than your common mass murderers. There are absolutely no redeemable figures down there. Just pirates nastier than Spandam and the World Nobles with strength to commit their own atrocities undeterred.
baseless and a load of shit to be honest. Iva is not a know it all either. He didnt know who to trust on level 6 but croc and that was because he had power over him. The only reason he let jimbei out was because luffy believed in him.
We have no idea who would be down there. This all speculation, so dont state absolutes when theer is a 50/50 chance for both. The world is not black and white.
They are worse prisoners in the WG eyes, doesnt make them horrible. Even though, I am sure there are plenty of horrible prisoners in or was in level 6.
A little hypothesis regarding the significance of eye scars: In One Piece so far we had only two characters with scars over their eyes, and they happen to be Shanks and Rayleigh; it's possible that there is some other small fry that I don't recall with a scar across his eye, however the other thing that these two characters share is their total control over their Haoushoko Haki.
No other character has been shown to use that power at will, WB should've used it if he could to save Ace rather than have Luffy manifest his subconsciously.
Which leads me to: Is it possible that the temporary loss of vision in one eye helps strengthening the control over Haoushoko Haki? This possibly is related to depth perception (you need to tell where your opponents are without relying too much on your eyesight).
Another hypothesis (this will be shown right or wrong in a couple of chapters). When I think of pirate captain and fashion I think of one of six things:
I know I'll be having a bit of fun if it were true, but feel free to flame me, or point to why it couldn't be the case. After all this is based on only two characters, so it could be a coincidence :).
Luffy has had a scar under his eye for like forever and he still can't use haki properly (maybe he learned from rayleigh at this point though)
Also, I wouldn't like to see Luffy with an eyepatch and Shanks and Ray's eyes have scars but seems perfectly fine to me visionwise.
Luffy has had a scar under his eye for like forever and he still can't use haki properly (maybe he learned from rayleigh at this point though)
Also, I wouldn't like to see Luffy with an eyepatch and Shanks and Ray's eyes have scars but seems perfectly fine to me visionwise.
I know, so does Crocodile, but Luffy's scar is below his eye, and thus never hindered his eyesight, on the other hand both Shanks and Rayleigh's scars are directly across their eyes, so you would assume that for a while they could see anything with their wounded eyes.
they both still had their other eye and are you really saying someone most damage his eyes to know haki or at least the kings haki?
baseless and a load of shit to be honest. Iva is not a know it all either. He didnt know who to trust on level 6 but croc and that was because he had power over him. The only reason he let jimbei out was because luffy believed in him.
Exactly. Because nobody in level 6 is worthy of being trusted. He could take that chance even with 100m guys on level 5, who clearly aren't the nicest guys either messing with Mr.2. He didn't let Jimbei out because he was a warlord. Just looking at the most recent chapter Iva is incredibly scrupulous when choosing his allies.
And where the fuck are you getting that Iva isn't No-It-All? He surely has a far better idea of whats down in level 6 than you do and he apparently believes it would be more dangerous to let them out of their cells(why he immediately silences any who asked) than use them to assist in the riot. There is a political prisoner down there and you think Iva wouldn't know about them?
Yeah lets totally disregard a character who has been a consistent source of reliable information because it skews what you want to believe.
We have no idea who would be down there. This all speculation, so dont state absolutes when theer is a 50/50 chance for both. The world is not black and white.
There is not a 50/50 chance when there is absolutely no source for your idea of there being decent guys on level 6. My point can't be baseless when its dervived from every piece of information we've gotten of level 6.
They are worse prisoners in the WG eyes, doesn't make them horrible. Even though, I am sure there are plenty of horrible prisoners in or was in level 6.
Plenty of evidence indicating they are all pretty horrible. Jimbei and Ace being the only exceptions. You're grasping at straws if you really want to believe Iva wouldn't know of another exception or that Oda wouldn't hint at some Fisher Tiger like figure being let loose onto the world in some fashion after Teach's jailbreak..
they both still had their other eye and are you really saying someone most damage his eyes to know haki or at least the kings haki?
No, it was stated that anybody could learn Hake, and for Haoushoko Haki you'd have to born with the ability.
Also neither WB, Ace, Luffy nor Hancock have damaged their eyes, and they all have the gift, yet none of them has shown control over it (at least the first three of them), and that's what I was noting.
It's just (probably for artistic reasons) that every time Haoushoko Haki is shown, there's this strange emphasis on the eyes of the character, and while it may not be necessarily needed, it could be that temporarily losing one eye enables higher control of it.
A little hypothesis regarding the significance of eye scars: In One Piece so far we had only two characters with scars over their eyes, and they happen to be Shanks and Rayleigh; it's possible that there is some other small fry that I don't recall with a scar across his eye, however the other thing that these two characters share is their total control over their Haoushoko Haki.
No other character has been shown to use that power at will, WB should've used it if he could to save Ace rather than have Luffy manifest his subconsciously.Which leads me to: Is it possible that the temporary loss of vision in one eye helps strengthening the control over Haoushoko Haki? This possibly is related to depth perception (you need to tell where your opponents are without relying too much on your eyesight).
Another hypothesis (this will be shown right or wrong in a couple of chapters). When I think of pirate captain and fashion I think of one of six things:
- A captain's hat.
- A captain's coat.
- A hook hand.
- A peg leg.
- A talking bird.
- An eyepatch. The first four are highly unlikely for Luffy, and a talking bird isn't much of a fashion statement, so is it possible that the thing Vivi mentioned about fashion has to do with Luffy getting an eyepatch?
And if that were to be true it could be related to my first hypothesis.I know I'll be having a bit of fun if it were true, but feel free to flame me, or point to why it couldn't be the case. After all this is based on only two characters, so it could be a coincidence :).
Nah dude, scars in the eyes look cool, that's why only the strongest characters get one
Exactly. Because nobody in level 6 is worthy of being trusted. He could take that chance even with 100m guys on level 5, who clearly aren't the nicest guys either messing with Mr.2. He didn't let Jimbei out because he was a warlord. Just looking at the most recent chapter Iva is incredibly scrupulous when choosing his allies.
And where the fuck are you getting that Iva isn't No-It-All? He surely has a far better idea of whats down in level 6 than you do and he apparently believes it would be more dangerous to let them out of their cells(why he immediately silences any who asked) than use them to assist in the riot. There is a political prisoner down there and you think Iva wouldn't know about them?
Yeah lets totally disregard a character who has been a consistent source of reliable information because it skews what you want to believe.
There is not a 50/50 chance when there is absolutely no source for your idea of there being decent guys on level 6. My point can't be baseless when its dervived from every piece of information we've gotten of level 6.
Plenty of evidence indicating they are all pretty horrible. Jimbei and Ace being the only exceptions. You're grasping at straws if you really want to believe Iva wouldn't know of another exception or that Oda wouldn't hint at some Fisher Tiger like figure being let loose onto the world in some fashion after Teach's jailbreak..
I will help you out. Even if there happen to be people down there that were "good", they are dead now. Teach only let out the winners in each cage. I really don't see someone that is "good" killing off all the other prisoners in their cage.
No, it was stated that anybody could learn Hake, and for Haoushoko Haki you'd have to born with the ability.
Also neither WB, Ace, Luffy nor Hancock have damaged their eyes, and they all have the gift, yet none of them has shown control over it (at least the first three of them), and that's what I was noting.
It's just (probably for artistic reasons) that every time Haoushoko Haki is shown, there's this strange emphasis on the eyes of the character, and while it may not be necessarily needed, it could be that temporarily losing one eye enables higher control of it.
Roger didn't have a scar and I am pretty sure that he had Haoushoko Haki(Pirate king, luffy is suppose to be like him, etc). So unless you think that Roger didn't have complete control over his haki; your theory is meanless.
Just a small theory with no real ground to it:
Vegapunk is a double agent.
Points supporting it:
- Vegapunk was born "before his time". Unless the world changes, he may never achieve the level of greatness he is capable of.
- Kuma, a pretty much confirmed Revolutionary, is almost completely loyal to the WG
- Kuma allowed Vegapunk to turn him into a mindless robot
- Sentomaru, Vegapunk's bodyguard, pretty much has command of the Pacifista.
It's not entirely out of the question to think that Vegapunk is using the WG to fund the Pacifista project. We already know the Pacifista are extremely powerful, probably Vice-Admiral level or even higher. It's plausible that the WG is blindly funding the project in an effort to bolster its militia, when in all reality, they could be signing their own death warrant.
As I said this is largely unfounded, but its still plausible.
I think that would actually be a great twist
the idea of vegapunk being a double agent is highly possible because of
what dragon said before that the world is waiting for thier answer and other stuff
maybe he was waiting for the pacifista to be compelte.
or maybe now that kuma is a pacifista maybe he can control the others.
"just a theory"
What is Oden saying to WB?
Become my son Whitebeard.
Yeah lets totally disregard a character who has been a consistent source of reliable information because it skews what you want to believe.
what reliable information is that? I am just wondering, I dont recall anything. And its not like he said, everybody there is the scum of the earth or anything.
There is not a 50/50 chance when there is absolutely no source for your idea of there being decent guys on level 6. My point can't be baseless when its dervived from every piece of information we've gotten of level 6.
yeah 2 out of the 3 guys we actually knew in level 6 were decent guys. It is no stretch by any means to think there are or were others. Crocodile was complete scum but Iva knew he wouldnt be a problem because iva had power over him.
You are acting like iva was picky on who he let out, there was plenty of scum from level 5 to level 1 that was let out. The difference between level 6 and level 5 was strictly "power". He didnt want let out someone who was strong enough to stop what they were doing in the first place. He was not some holy crusader just letting out the good people.
what reliable information is that? I am just wondering, I dont recall anything. And its not like he said, everybody there is the scum of the earth or anything.
yeah 2 out of the 3 guys we actually knew in level 6 were decent guys. It is no stretch by any means to think there are or were others. Crocodile was complete scum but Iva knew he wouldnt be a problem because iva had power over him.
You are acting like iva was picky on who he let out, there was plenty of scum from level 5 to level 1 that was let out. The difference between level 6 and level 5 was strictly "power". He didnt want let out someone who was strong enough to stop what they were doing in the first place. He was not some holy crusader just letting out the good people.
What is your arguement?
Teach had all the level 6 prisoners kill each other. I don't see the ones living through that not being the scum of the earth.
Anyone else noticed that in chapter 579, Coby has his own Mantra/Haki which allows him to hear voices of people like Aisa from skypia did? Not surprising he has such abilities if he is to become an admiral one day.
Teach had all the level 6 prisoners kill each other. I don't see the ones living through that not being the scum of the earth.
Living through people trying to kill you makes you scum now? As it was stated in the manga, some of the prisoners were able to get away.
What is your arguement?
My argument there is alot of mystery with the level 6 prisoners in general. I dont think we should just box them all into one group.
I was just defending somebody else theory in terms of it being possible that there are some good level 6 prisoners out there. And good is just a relative term in this case.
Not joining. 
Dead.