@ Imitorar - well, Oda himself said that the biggest mystery of this manga is why "that treasure" is called One Piece
Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread
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I don´t wanna be a kill-joy, but did you guys know that the catholic church published the new 7 deadly sins of our life-time.
the new deadly sins are:
1. consuming and selling drugs
2. abuse children
3. enviromental pollution
4. abortion
5. genetic engineering
6. greed of gain, that turns other people into poverty
7. excessive richnessWhere did the Catholic Church get the authority to change the 7 deadly sins?
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@ Imitorar - well, Oda himself said that the biggest mystery of this manga is why "that treasure" is called One Piece
Huh. Thanks for that info, shen_ron. I never thought about the name of Gol D. Roger's treasure before.
Maybe "One Piece" comes from a silly rumor that the treasure is one giant gold bar or something.
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Dials were created by Space Pirates to combat the strongest of logias
you see, it wouldn't matter how ubber a light logia is, there would be no way for the user to escape a flash dial. Same goes for Smoker, he's doomed if Usopp pulls out a breath dial to suck him in. Likewise, they could be used to directly combat the logia, like using a water dial (someone mentioned them. Dunno if it's canon) to create some sort of weapon to combat Crocodile (The clima-tact's already a prime example).
Could work as a tribute to the mafuuda spell on DB
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I think I understand what you're trying to say (Oda named the series after what people THINK the treasure is called, "One Piece", but really, the treasure was meant to be called "One Peace", but people misheard it, and Oda named the series after the presumed name of the treasure so as not to spoil the ending, right?) However, based on the reasons you yourself listed, your assumption of a misheard homophone is seriously flawed: nowhere in the manga have we seen Roger say the words "One Piece". He said
Why people call the treasure "One Piece" is a mystery, since Roger never said it. In fact, I believe the early (very early, back when they were still using Zoro, so it was around 2004 or so) Viz's translations called it "the World's Treasure". I'm not sure why that was, and whether or not it was an accurate translation, but my point is, the name "One Piece" just sort of sprung up for reasons we don't really know, it had nothing to do with anything Roger said. At least, nothing we know of Roger saying. So there wasn't really any misheard homophone, meaning your whole premise is flawed.On the contray, even if Roger didn't say it, someone named it "One Piece". The prinicipal could still stand even if he didn't name it himself… For example, someone on his crew perhaps, possibly put the name "One Piece" out as a rumour? Even if they used "One Peace" or not, with so much speculation on Roger after he died, I doubt anyone in the OP would have thought about anything they heard.
If Devil Fruits in the West, East, South and North blues can be so misunderstood, and a rumour about two devil fruits being so wrong, who knows what happened to half the things Roger did and said or his crew are accurate. As WB said a lot of people say Roger's death is a legend, he also said those who remember the days before Roger's death are few. As time progresses, more and more people will reguard Roger's death as a lengend and fewer and fewer people will know what things were really like back then.
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Where did the Catholic Church get the authority to change the 7 deadly sins?
And how is being extremely wealthy a sin?the catholic church can change everything! the authority?! by GOD man, didn´t you know that!
no, i´m just kidding. i don´t like them too, i prefer the old ones. i´ve read an article where it is told that a bishop girotti published the "modern" 7 deadly sins.
something other comes in my mind that the catholic church, esp. the new pope changed. i think it was last year. he disposed the second hell! very funny! the second hell was for little children and babys which had another confession or don´t get baptised until their died.
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drugs = gluttony?
child abuse = wrath?
enviromental pollution = ??? negligence? sloth?
abortion = lust?
genetic engineering = envy?
greed of grain (what? why "of grain"?) = greed?
excessive richness = greed? (again?)what happened to pride?
Pride can often be reguarded as the suttle sin, pride is essentially the self preservation sin, and it can concern just about everything. Pride is what prevents a person from doing the right thing. In theory, a person wouldn't do any form of crime if they were not proud of their actions in some way. Pride also prevents a person from helping others, or preventing a crime.
You have other forms of pride such as "Warriors pride", "National pride", etc… These forms of pride are often reguarded as "good". Sadly, these are also bad. The other problem with pride is proud people are stuck in their ways, unable to change or adapt.
As I said, pride is the most sutle of the 7 sins. Its so sutle, that in fact most people aren't even aware that they are guilty of it. In reguards to most of those "modern" sins, Pride runs through all of those in some form or another.
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Funny way of looking at Pride…
Heard a few times of people that were ashamed of the crimes they commited. (aren't regretfull cleptomaniacs usually ashamed? addicts etc? people that want to change but can't?)
Also heard about people having enough pride that they wouldn't fall to common theivery but would stand on their own legs and try to support themself the right way... stay on the narrow path.But you misunderstood me. I was comparing the new sins to the old and wondered why greed was listed twice and pride removed.
PS: "subtle"
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Pride can often be reguarded as the suttle sin, pride is essentially the self preservation sin, and it can concern just about everything. Pride is what prevents a person from doing the right thing. In theory, a person wouldn't do any form of crime if they were not proud of their actions in some way. Pride also prevents a person from helping others, or preventing a crime.
You have other forms of pride such as "Warriors pride", "National pride", etc… These forms of pride are often reguarded as "good". Sadly, these are also bad. The other problem with pride is proud people are stuck in their ways, unable to change or adapt.
As I said, pride is the most sutle of the 7 sins. Its so sutle, that in fact most people aren't even aware that they are guilty of it. In reguards to most of those "modern" sins, Pride runs through all of those in some form or another.
Pride is like this; there are 2 people runnig on a smooth dirt trail, person 1 trips and fall, person 2 turns his head back and laughed at him, he was unaware of a large rock in front of him, he trips just like person 1. Pride blinds you into doing things you had mocked earlier, giving you a "Oh, I'm doing so much better" and unware your doomed to trip and fall. This happens to me many times and ruined my life.
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Funny way of looking at Pride…
Heard a few times of people that were ashamed of the crimes they commited. (aren't regretfull cleptomaniacs usually ashamed? addicts etc? people that want to change but can't?)
Also heard about people having enough pride that they wouldn't fall to common theivery but would stand on their own legs and try to support themself the right way... stay on the narrow path.But you misunderstood me. I was comparing the new sins to the old and wondered why greed was listed twice and pride removed.
PS: "subtle"
I hear you Gorlom, I was trying to find out also where Pride fit in there.
BTW. You know I walk out of school with a "B" in english right… Hehee... It went down the drain the mosme I stepped out.
What I'm saying here is there are many ways you can see pride, heres one: A child is about to be killed, you arrive on the scene. Previously the child knocked a gun out of the killer's hands before you arrived on the scene and its laying in front of you and you see it. If you don't use the gun possibly to wound, kill the murderer or at the very least scare him away, the child dies. You could be too proud to interfer or too proud to pick up the gun, or if you do pick it up too proud too fire it. All of these could be a result of being too proud to comit a crime in the first place, because shooting the murderer is a crime. Reguardless, if it prevents you from acting out, so the child gets killed and so, though the pride was "good" as stopped you fromcomitting a crime, the child is still dead and in trying to stop yourself from commiting a crime you let another happen.
Reguardless, pride is the most open-ended of the 7 sins. Whatever the case may be for it, Pride is "the virtue preventer" sin, I.E., it stops you from carrying out the 7 virtues in the first place.
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Terrible theory.
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I like how all of the Major Arcs involving Schichibukai ended with someone mentioning how everything was like a nightmare.
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^thanks bro :getlost:
Edit : whoops not you kaiemei
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Ok so now I see how broad the 7 sins are and that they can be applied to almost any piece of entertaining media. But i still think that there will only be one more logia shown. And if the Logia-user is a excessively lustful I'm bringing this back up.
side question why did lobster get banned?
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Hmm, I want to touch back on the discussion of sins and virtues. All sins seem to source from a selfish disposition and all virtues source from selflessness. It would seem that there are 7 sins that are the cause of various greater sins and crimes. I believe virtues have a similar cause and effect. But the 7 sins can also be grouped together into types. And the virtues can be as well.
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Personal CP9 Theory (split into possible, and then continued with retarded):
Possible:
Spandam is going to blame EVERYTHING concerning Enies Lobby on the entire CP9 crew. Each member is going to have a bounty on their head. The group will snap and become an 'anti-World Government' group.Retarded:
The above, plus:
They lead to a massive Impel Down jail break. -
On the contray, even if Roger didn't say it, someone named it "One Piece". The prinicipal could still stand even if he didn't name it himself… For example, someone on his crew perhaps, possibly put the name "One Piece" out as a rumour? Even if they used "One Peace" or not, with so much speculation on Roger after he died, I doubt anyone in the OP would have thought about anything they heard.
If Devil Fruits in the West, East, South and North blues can be so misunderstood, and a rumour about two devil fruits being so wrong, who knows what happened to half the things Roger did and said or his crew are accurate. As WB said a lot of people say Roger's death is a legend, he also said those who remember the days before Roger's death are few. As time progresses, more and more people will reguard Roger's death as a lengend and fewer and fewer people will know what things were really like back then.
True, somebody named it One Piece, but that somebody was NOT the ONE person qualified to say anything on the subject: Roger himself. I'm pretty sure his crew doesn't know what One Piece is either. Whoever first called the treasure One Piece didn't know what it was, so whether or not THEY meant their words to be heard as "One Peace" doesn't matter, because they didn't know what the treasure was anyway, so how could they be giving a hint as to what it was?
Oh, and I know Oda said the biggest mystery of the series is why it's named One Piece. That doesn't mean that the treasure was misheard by the inhabitants of the One Piece world as "One Piece" when it should have been "One Peace", it means that there's probably gonna be an extremely clever revelation on the subject of the treasure's name in the Raftel arc.
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It's called One piece, because, when you find it out, you understand there isn't such thing as grand line or red line, the world is made of one island… wake-up!!! get out of the matrix Neo...
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one piece is actually just a dress. No one knew it, but roger was into that sort of thing.
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you could add buggy to the envy
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http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?p=887972#post887972
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the one piece is the ancient kingdom on raftel, or at least the survivors who live on raftel.
After finding one piece the crew will split and everyone will do different things
luffy will maybe die
zorro will become pirate hunter again
Nami will live on Cocos and live a normal life
usopp will lead his own crew with 8000 members
Sanji will open an own restaurant or work for Jeff again
Chopper will be the most famoust doctor in the world an teach maybe his knowledge
Robin will tell everyone the truth about the lost time in history
Franky will work in Water Seven again
Brook will live with Laboon and sing the whole day songsAfter finding the one piece and defeating the world goverment all the good Pirates like Ruffy, shanks, Whitebeard wont be chased and all the bad pirates like buggy, will be chased.
Dragon will be world leader…
and so on...And I have also the idea that Dragon and Don Flaminge are the same Person or have at least something to do with eatch other^^
...and i know thats maybe bulshit, so dont start an discusion, please^^
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Here's a theory of mine:
Blackbeard gave Shanks his scars while Shanks was still in Gol D. Roger's crew. Ace said Blackbeard was twice as old as he (Ace is 20, so Blackbeard is about 40), so he could have very well been in Whitebeard's crew for all that time. Also, take a look at the middle picture on this page.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/434/10/
Shanks's eye is covered by his hair. Also, the scars are on hs Jolly Roger. Wouldn't the making of his Jolly Roger come not long after he got his first real pirate ship? -
Brook was actually born in the North Blue, which is sometimes called "The Sea of Perverts."
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The letter D is Dulo.
Also, this would only make sense to someone that knows Esperanto.
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Oh, and I know Oda said the biggest mystery of the series is why it's named One Piece. That doesn't mean that the treasure was misheard by the inhabitants of the One Piece world as "One Piece" when it should have been "One Peace", it means that there's probably gonna be an extremely clever revelation on the subject of the treasure's name in the Raftel arc.
yeah….but naming it "one piece" or "one peace" doesn`t make any difference
in my opinion OP is the key to connect the whole world (one peace)..(had a thread about it long time ago)in the raftel-arc it will be revealed how the ancient kingdom was and how they lost against the WG....also the porneglyphs will show their mystery (rioporneglyph-=the story)((maybe we will also see that the D.
s are the last ancestors of these kingdom)) after revealing the mystery of the lost century the WG will be crushed and their will be new leaders (maybe dragon) who will make the OP-world a better place 1.cause nothing like OP exists than anymore ...and so less pirates 2.corupt WG won
t have any power anymoreso luffy will be PK and the 1 who brought the message,which Gol.D.Roger couldn`t,to the whole world
but here is the biggest question so far for me....why hadn`t Gol.D already revealed the truth about the ancient history...why did he want that so many other pirates go after this place(raftel) ...iam sure that he was the 1 who knew the truth but why did he satisfy himself without telling some1 about his secret....:blink:
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since I doubt alot of us speak esparanto how about telling us what "Dulo" means you dirty monkey! =P
fondly recalls earlier discussions about AL's name ^^
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Some of those thoeries need to go in the dumb predictions thread don't you think?
Gosh… We need a rule about that here it seems.
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@Don:
yeah….but naming it "one piece" or "one peace" doesn`t make any difference
in my opinion OP is the key to connect the whole world (one peace)..(had a thread about it long time ago)in the raftel-arc it will be revealed how the ancient kingdom was and how they lost against the WG....also the porneglyphs will show their mystery (rioporneglyph-=the story)((maybe we will also see that the D.
s are the last ancestors of these kingdom)) after revealing the mystery of the lost century the WG will be crushed and their will be new leaders (maybe dragon) who will make the OP-world a better place 1.cause nothing like OP exists than anymore ...and so less pirates 2.corupt WG won
t have any power anymoreso luffy will be PK and the 1 who brought the message,which Gol.D.Roger couldn`t,to the whole world
but here is the biggest question so far for me....why hadn`t Gol.D already revealed the truth about the ancient history...why did he want that so many other pirates go after this place(raftel) ...iam sure that he was the 1 who knew the truth but why did he satisfy himself without telling some1 about his secret....:blink:
That's a good theory. Why didn't Roger tell the message? Maybe the time wasn't right then? 22 years ago, was there even a Revolutionary army challenging the WG? And maybe because Luffy has taken out a corrupt Shichibukai, a corrupt Marine (Morgan), defeated a 2nd Shichibukai, with his crew, has defeated the most powerful CP9 of all time and already declared war on the WG, ended a 400 year war in Skypeia (Roger wasn't able to end it even though he had been there). And he may end this slave auction and/or Tenryuubito authority at Sabaody Archipelago. Roger was the former PK, but I doubt he had done this much damage to the WG when he was still a rookie. Or any pirate I'm sure.
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Ok, this might sound stupid but, this One Piece/One Peace dicussion makes me think that what if its Lafter and not Raftel:blink: Hey you never know….
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Its Raftel.
16 characters of confirmation
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Nami's ultimate attack would involve oranges.
Proof: She like oranges.
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How do you know Angel? I thought it could be romanized in a couple of different ways, among others "rough tale".
Has new information surfaced?
Hiroy: if that is your "proof" please post it in the dumb prediuctions thread instead.
Edit: Oh wait they have probably pronounced it in the anime right? so that would at least rule out "lafter".
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Good point, I forgot about the other variations… Thats me getting use to spelling it Raftel on wikipedia because we have to use the most common spelling. :-(
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Raftel is not an island as such, it's an archipelago coming off the opposite side of reverse mountain. Gold D Roger was able to get back by taking a Void Century Lift to the top of reverse mountain, and walking all the way back to a government Stronghold on the redline, by this time he was so weak that the government could just take him. But by this time he didn't care as his Raison d'etre lied within the next generation.
He deliberately made it out as if his whole life's treasures lay at 'One Piece' to get the grand pirate age going, this allowed for huge powers to come out to combat the world government. (the power came through their dreams to become the pirate king) , the reason no-one else has become pirate king yet is because…they didn't know what they had to do to acheive it, it's a bit of a case of the emperors new clothes, and Gold D Roger was a genius.
Dr Vegapunk is the last descendant of the lost kingdom, he doesn't know what the hell he's doing half the time as he just uses left over technology from the kingdom. The three main types of Devil fruit actually originate from 3 rival brothers from the lost kingdom having different dreams as how to perfect the human race. The world government came about after 12 kings were granted with the ultimate logia abilities and went crazy with power. The world government was not initially corrupt, only after high ranking devil fruiters got into power did things go awry.
They made it so after a devil fruit user dies, if on land the devil fruit will grow where the body lies. If it is at sea, the seed will follow a log pose back to a certain point, the reason devil users drown is because Davy Jones is actually one of the scientists left over from the old kingdom who had a strang, none logia/pharmacia/animal ability, which nullifies the affects of devil fruits, seastones are in fact..his excretement. One piece is the Devil-fruit tree, although it's not a tree as such, it actually resembles a giant nose.
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I theorize that Brooke will be able to use his fingers as skeleton keys.
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Garp will run into Luffy when he gets to Sabaody Archipelago. He'll inform Luffy of the Ace situation and how the WG is preparing for war against WB. But more importantly, he'll tell Luffy that for the first time ever, the Tenryuubito have no power whatsoever. Which of course, Luffy will take advantage of, and take out the Tenryuubito. And when the other pirates along with the regular citizens of SA see that the Tenryuubito can't call an Admiral to help them, it will cause an all out overthrow of the Tenryuubito and then the slave trade.
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i think that Massacre Soldat Killer is Gin because he said that they will meet again on the grandline…
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Not sure if this has been touched on, but I think Bonney has a Devil Fruit that lets her fluctuate her age. Capone may seem really really bland and scream fodder, but i'm really interested in what he's all about. It would be really unexpected to see he has a Devil Fruit ability. And i don't get what the big deal is about Law.. He probably has a Devil Fruit.. cause he certainly doesn't look like he can handle that sword he carries.
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since I doubt alot of us speak esparanto how about telling us what "Dulo" means you dirty monkey! =P
fondly recalls earlier discussions about AL's name ^^
All right, a basic break down then.
Esperanto is really just a conglomeration of rootwords, prefixes, and suffixes. If you know how they all work, with a handful of rootwords, you can actually say quite a bit.
Now, we all pronounce letters in different ways in different langauges, yes? For instance, in English, dee for D or tee for T or es for S. In Esperanto, those would all be do, to, and so - all letters, unless a vowel, rhyme with -o.
And in Esperanto, all words that end in -o is a noun. Do wouldn't be a true noun, but - if Oda knows the basics of Esperanto - he might give do a suffix like -ul- which means person.
Dulo = Person of D
Which almost makes this a joke theory on my part.
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Sorry just my speculation.. Not all D have the same objective, there must be some division within. i think Ace and Blackbeard belong to a same division…
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Not all D have the same objective
Obviously as Luffy wants to become pirate king and Garp wants to capture and incarcerate every pirate
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Big event…trap for WB...(BB will in the end kill WB)..so resulting war!...causes that a lot of pirates declare their right for being the new yonkou...will cause chaos....huge war "pirates vs. pirates"...new era!:ninja:
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During the fight between the Straw-hats and Donflamingo, Don will have Luffy and Nami under his Puppet Puppet no Mi power and using Shichibukai-training-Devil-fruit-powers-so-you-can-do-things-that-only-vaguely-have-anything-to-do-with-the-power he makes Robin's movements under Chopper's control. Chopper decides that the only answer is Pirates Docking 6: Big Emperor.
Which leads to One Piece's first (and possibly only) Robin face fault.
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The asshole noble from before, with the icecream and runny nose, remember him? They guy who stole the nurse, aka the fiancee of the bartender? He's going to buy Caimei. He didn't appear for no reason, you know!
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Chopper decides that the only answer is Pirates Docking 6: Big Emperor.
Which leads to One Piece's first (and possibly only) Robin face fault.
yes YES!! YES!!!!! I want to see it now!!
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also love the idea of robin face fault
The asshole noble from before, with the icecream and runny nose, remember him? They guy who stole the nurse, aka the fiancee of the bartender? He's going to buy Caimei. He didn't appear for no reason, you know!
good idea. from the look he had on his face last chapter hes definently going to buy something.
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When luffy comes to the auction and to buy camie back (or nami) kid or law pays more and since the SH's are always broke they can't pay. So they either are going to sell one of each other or… kick some ass (kidd or law) and get their bounty. Then he can buy camie... After that mostlikely luffy will find out that ace's execution is happening so hes going to either say "lets go now and help ace" or "he'l be fine... WB's there for him"... Also i expect bounty raises between chapters 505-540...
! Also….. WARRR!!!!
So your thoughts on this?
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you could have used either the chapter discussion or theories that doesn't need their own thread for this.
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I often read theories about getting a higher bounty by fighting vs another pirate but that is bullshit if you think about it.
luffy got his first bounty because he fought the marine captain in cocos.
the second bounty after taking down crocodile
and the third bouny after beating up the CP9 and taking down enies lobby
so they only get a bounty after doing something against the world goverment and not fighting other pirates.