you shouldnt be watching cartoons if you are in it for the story.
Naruto Shippuuden's animation
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yeah im here
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you shouldnt be watching cartoons if you are in it for the story.
hah, the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. Why do you watch "cartoons" then? Just to amaze at the pretty colors? I guess some people can stay entertained by just watching the pretty lights and funny characters… don't know if theres much going on in your brain in that case but i guess everyones different.
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you shouldnt be watching cartoons if you are in it for the story.
Wow, that was groundbreakingly dumb.
I'd say more but Runkuz pretty much said what I would if I wanted to.
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you shouldnt be watching shonen if you are in it for the story.
I think that's slightly more appropriate.
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So if you were looking for a deep and riveting story, the first genre you'd look at would be shonen?
Obviously, not every shonen series is just about crazy badass dudes beating the tar out of each other, but as a whole, the genre isn't known for being on the cutting edge of story telling.
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Yeah, I noticed sometimes the framerate is really low and they're just showing static pics. But I also think it's all quite emotionless, the voices don't match their facial expressions et vice versa. Sometimes facial expressions seem to be absent and other times too exaggerated.
Maybe I'm just imagining it was better before, as naruto was the second anime I started watching and I've never rewatched. And that's why shippuuden feels off.
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So if you were looking for a deep and riveting story, the first genre you'd look at would be shonen?
Obviously, not every shonen series is just about crazy badass dudes beating the tar out of each other, but as a whole, the genre isn't known for being on the cutting edge of story telling.
Still doesn't mean that you shouldn't be reading/watching shounen (or just about any cartoon/comic for that matter) is you are in it for the story. Because fact of the matter is, the story is pretty much the most important part.
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Eh, in shonen, I'd rank characters and style ahead of plot depth. All a shonen really needs for a story is something simple that leads into the action, and if you like the characters and the way the art and fights "feel" overall, you're pretty much set. Of course there are series that try and add a little more substance to its plot, but that isn't really necessary for a shonen series to be successful in its genre.
Aaanyway, back on topic. I've only really seen the first half of the first episode, but I thought that the animation, especially in the first ten minutes, looked great. I also loved the stylized fluid feel that some scenes in the first series had. If I'm watching something in an anime instead of reading it in a manga, I want to see things moving. If a scene's art is intricately detailed, but everyone is hardly moving and it just looks like a slideshow of manga panels with "rumble" effects to denote impact, then why watch it? If frame X looks weird when you pause the action, that doesn't really matter, since you're supposed to watch it in motion.
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Well, the first 10 minutes of the first episode was exceptional - they haven't put that much effort into any episode since those 10 minutes.
I don't see what the fuss is about though. I just watched episode four and had no problems with it. And yes, the new music is the best part. The old Naruto was kind of annoying and repetitive at times.
Oh, btw, I think I could make use of this screencap XD
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
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Oh, btw, I think I could make use of this screencap XD
The funniest part of the whole episode, easily.
And I hate to sound like every other "i whine even though I don't pay for it"-er, but really, this ep was stretched in a style that makes Dragonball Z look like it was on hyperspeed.
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Episode 3 was worse imo…it was basically a flashback episode with a little new material...
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I even used to feel the overkill on flashbacks was somewhat justified, but flashbacks to 5 minutes ago in the SAME episode…. that's like a whole new level.
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It's not new, they've done that before. I'm pretty sure One Piece has too.
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Allright, then I'm a nitpicker, but with One Piece I still like the characters so i can take it! :)
The animation is still as good as ever. I thought this thread would get locked. shrugs
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I just took the "sucks" part out of the title…and let it be a general thread for Shippuden...
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Its all about the disappointment. Its been like a decade of fillers (didn't watch even one episode) and then the rumors about Shippuuden start to pop out. They are even advertising it in Japan and people start to get excited. Then the product is finally out and even though it was ok, it still does not justify the filler hell and all the wait. Shippuuden should have been something amazing which would have caught the attention of the old fans again. The quality could have been decreased after some time but at least make the start a blast.
I don't really understand all the stalling and flashbacks in the episodes either. Why the hell do they need to gain more time by repeating if they just had like 2 years of fillers? If i see even one filler in Shippuuden then i'm just forced to give up all hope on this show.
btw, heres some examples of the old animation. It's not just the Gaara vs Rock Lee fight but all of the Chuunin exam was really well animated.
Sasuke vs Orochimaru
Gaara vs Kimimaro
The Gaara vs Kimimaro fight isn't obviously as well animated as the Chuunin exam, but this was the general animation level troughout the show (without small exceptions). It's not amazing, but i still think the character movements etc. are much better than in Shippuuden.
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Ok seriously, how is that a dumb statement? What cartoon had this super plot? Not many. They are either for laughs or action for the most part. You don't get award winning story telling.
If your main reason for watching a cartoon is for the story, than I dont know what else to say. I havent seen an anime that had a ground breaking story. Berserk is pretty good and one piece is as well. But that is the exception, not the rule. Most people look at shonen jump for the action scenes.
Comics are like soap opera's for guys. The stories arent ground breaking. I am sorry if you feel what I said was stupid, but I have my reasons for it. If you dont agree that is one thing, but i dont see how it is stupid.
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Ok seriously, how is that a dumb statement? What cartoon had this super plot? Not many. They are either for laughs or action for the most part. You don't get award winning story telling.
If your main reason for watching a cartoon is for the story, than I dont know what else to say. I havent seen an anime that had a ground breaking story. Berserk is pretty good and one piece is as well. But that is the exception, not the rule. Most people look at shonen jump for the action scenes.
Comics are like soap opera's for guys. The stories arent ground breaking. I am sorry if you feel what I said was stupid, but I have my reasons for it. If you dont agree that is one thing, but i dont see how it is stupid.
..I feel what you are saying is stupid man. I rarely watch shows for flash or cool factor values, I like to be engrossed in a good story.
I did not watch Fruits Basket, Reborn, Slam Dunk, Yakitate! Japan, or Monster for the ziq fighting sequences. I watched them for character development and plot.
it seems like your opinion is based on shows like Naruto alone, which would explain it. However, broaden your horizons a little and you'll see what I mean.
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..I feel what you are saying is stupid man. I rarely watch shows for flash or cool factor values, I like to be engrossed in a good story.
I did not watch Fruits Basket, Reborn, Slam Dunk, Yakitate! Japan, or Monster for the ziq fighting sequences. I watched them for character development and plot.
it seems like your opinion is based on shows like Naruto alone, which would explain it. However, broaden your horizons a little and you'll see what I mean.
yeah even shounen can have deep plots and engrossing characters who evolve
cough JJBA cough
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I watch all anime for the story. :3
@Runkuz - I definatelly understand the disappointment from fans surviving through fillers, anxiously awaiting for them to end. Fortunately for me, I started watching Naruto not long before the fillers ended and stayed completely away from any discussion pertaining to Shippuden whatsoever, so to me it was just picking up where I left off minus the fillers.
@taboo - that Lee picture is far from the worst XD
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Yeah, despite having some great art/animation, some episodes of the chuunin exams had some of the worst art in all of Naruto. Namely episodes 29, 37, 45, 54, and 65. (yes, I memorized them). I think they went for the cheapest Korean art director they could find.
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I'd find that the first (?) episode of 1st, 2nd Hokages vs. Sarutobi probably had the crappiest animation among the series.
I mean, yeah, the series will have its high points, but just overlooking the really crappy and pops up from time to time like any anime, episodes doesn't mean that the first half of Naruto's animation is superior to Shippuden today.
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@Le:
I'd find that the first (?) episode of 1st, 2nd Hokages vs. Sarutobi probably had the crappiest animation among the series.
And I'd find that it had some of the best. Norio Matsumoto's work is win.
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You see, it's not that I find it bad, but transitioning from one style to another just makes it look really awkward, and leaves a rather unimpressionable standpoint for me. OP Movie 6 was fantastic, it had enough time to adjust, observe it. But For the Hokage battle, I dunno.
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The animation of the Hokage battle wasn't bad, but the drawing consistency was. Same trouble as OP movie 6. Very fluid, but occasionally horribly deformed looking characters.
Different battle, but this is an example of what I mean XD http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/1959/vlcsnap101035uz6.jpg
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"I can see you!"
lol
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why people bother picking out random still frames of animation is beyond me its animted because your supposed to watch it like that.
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@Le:
You see, it's not that I find it bad, but transitioning from one style to another just makes it look really awkward, and leaves a rather unimpressionable standpoint for me. OP Movie 6 was fantastic, it had enough time to adjust, observe it. But For the Hokage battle, I dunno.
Yeah, OP movie 6 was Norio Matsumoto too.
What I don't get is that no one has any problems with the first episode of Gaara vs. Lee, yet some do have problems with Matsumoto's other episodes (Sasuke vs. Orochimaru, Sarutobi vs. Orochimaru, Naruto vs. Sasuke) despite how they're all in the same style.
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Probably because of what Cosmic said:
The animation of the Hokage battle wasn't bad, but the drawing consistency was. Same trouble as OP movie 6. Very fluid, but occasionally horribly deformed looking characters.
Which is pretty much true. It's really fluid in the animation, but at times, their bodies just, well, screw up at times.
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why people bother picking out random still frames of animation is beyond me its animted because your supposed to watch it like that.
It wasnt' a random still animation, the whole scene looked like that.
@Geg:
Yeah, OP movie 6 was Norio Matsumoto too.
Well, he is on the list of 70 animators…
What I don't get is that no one has any problems with the first episode of Gaara vs. Lee, yet some do have problems with Matsumoto's other episodes (Sasuke vs. Orochimaru, Sarutobi vs. Orochimaru, Naruto vs. Sasuke) despite how they're all in the same style.
They all have the same problems and good points, but Gaara vs. Lee just happens to look better than the others. Sarutobi and Orochimaru just looked really badly drawn much of the time, with Sarutobi's head often too big for his body among other anomalies.
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Picking up stills from the animation doesn't really tell much of the quality since you're supposed to be seeing the pictures moving. Manga is always more accurately drawn because there it is actually important since the pictures are not moving and people will spend more time on watching them. In animation the actual animation is more important than the small details. In a fast moving scene you don't even have enough time to look at how poorly drawn the characters are if the animation is smooth and good. If you get a still of almost any scene in that Sasuke vs Orochimaru fight it will look funny but when you watch it the animation is actually really good. If you take a still of any Shippuuden scene it seems like everything is so well drawn, but if you watch it in action the motion is stop-go. Anime is not manga and it shouldn't be viewed like manga.
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If that were true, there wouldn't be a problem, but fact is, the Orochimaru v. Sarutobi fight looked pretty dumb most of the time. The abberations in the figures are extremely evident without taking stills. There was actually a point, no joke, where I was messing around with my monitor because I couldn't figure out why all of a sudden the figures on the screen were so flat, pale, and warped.
I actually do prefer fluidity over stiff, lifeless action, but that doesn't mean the warped drawings are off the hook and I won't sugarcoat the issue by saying the details and proportion aren't important. It's a sacrifice that has to be made for a fast moving, long running show with a limited budget.
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Ok seriously, how is that a dumb statement?
Well first of all you made the mistake of using the word "cartoon". Yeah i agree.. Bugs Bunny or Donald Duck haven't got much character development during these past 50 years but i do think that EVEN Naruto has got some.
Second, plot is everything in entertainment. Even if it seems to be just mostly about flashy fights it still needs a plot to get the fights going and in most cases the fights do have an effect on how the series will move on. Without a proper plot no show can keep running no matter how flashy the fights are because if the audience does actually think with their own brains then they will also care about the big picture and not just about the pretty colors. The quality of the plot is another thing though. Of course shonen jump doesn't always have a brilliant plot, but every show needs to have a good one anyway to stay alive. One Piece has mostly been about moving from another fight to the other, but after every arc the characters have been developing and the series has moved at least a bit towards its grand finale and One Piece really is typical Shonen Jump.
But the thing which annoys me the most are the people who are unable to discuss something, be it negative or positive. If you say "This thing is bad." there will always be someone saying "Well don't use/drink/eat/watch/do it if you don't like it!". That way of thinking instantly rules out every chance for development. If you're unable to discuss about the good and bad sides of something without instantly saying "Fine, don't do it if you don't like it!" then the "something" won't ever develop into something better for all and neither will you.
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I watched the first 2 episodes on YouTube last night or the night before, I had to drag myself through it. It REALLY got slow at middle-end of episode 2…what felt like 15 mins was only 5 mins.....it actually hurt it was so slow.
That has happened to me on a few animes, but Jesus.
I am also displeased with Deidera being a man, but hey, whatcha gonna do? She'll always be a girl in my mind.
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The anime just got postponed in Japan due to some weird scheduling. So for a little while, instead of weekly news, it's going to be ever two weeks. Sucks for the narutards.
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No biggy too me, that shit was too slow, I don't think I plan on watching it anymore. Hell, I even stopped reading the manga again like 3 months ago. It just can't hold my interest.
I've also stopped reading Bleach a couple months ago, sadly.
One Piece truly is the only thing which can hold my interest it seems. I've lost interest in anime and manga in a whole the last couple of years, if it wasn't for finding One Piece…I don't think I'd be interested in it much at all anymore.
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The anime just got postponed in Japan due to some weird scheduling. So for a little while, instead of weekly news, it's going to be ever two weeks. Sucks for the narutards.
Basically, Shippuden's biggest problem right now is that the Pokemon anime is celebrating its 10th Anniversary (one hour special yesterday, another at the end of the month and a two-hour special at the start of April, which is officially the 10th anniversary) So whoever had the bright idea of moving Naruto after the meandering adventures of Satoshi/Ash…well, should have done their HW.
At least the series is airing...but if it isn't one thing (complaining of fillers), its another (complaining of filler...scenes)
Y'know, Negima WAS awesome…
For the first 18 volumes.
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We still have manga. No big deal.
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The anime's going to be postponed like that for a while. Here's the schedule as we know it:
March 15: Episode 5
March 22: No episode
March 29: Episode 6-7 special
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@Tokoro:
So whoever had the bright idea of moving Naruto after the meandering adventures of Satoshi/Ash…well, should have done their HW.
The move was good to boost Naruto ratings, Pokemon always beats their ass and not unusually One Piece's too..it's still that popular.
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Well first of all you made the mistake of using the word "cartoon". Yeah i agree.. Bugs Bunny or Donald Duck haven't got much character development during these past 50 years but i do think that EVEN Naruto has got some.
Let me enlighten you on some terminology and history. A cartoon describes sequential art, be it animation, comics, illustration, no matter what country it's produced in. It actually is an ancient term that dates back to sequential paintings in the Rennaissance era. It doesn't mean "Loony Toons" though anime fans seem to want to make it that way because they don't like to call Japanese animation cartoons. Furthermore, in Japan, they call Loony Toons and Disney cartoons anime. :)
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
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I decided to bring this topic back from the brink of extinction to redeem Naruto Shippuuden.
When Shippuuden started after 1,5 years of fillers, I was already grown out of liking the show, but I was still expecting something which would maybe warm up the dead feelings I had for the show a long time ago. Well, to my disappointment, the animation was bad, the show didnt progress at all and it was just bad in many ways. I still kept watching for some reason though… and now im happy to say that I like Naruto again. At some point the animation got to the same level it used to be and the fights started (and they have been quite nice so far). I remembered once again why I liked the show a long time ago: Quality action, genuinely cool villains and the most important part: every fight is very unique. I actually wait a new episode of Naruto with more anxiety than I wait for a new episode of One Piece (a long way from a Narutard though & OP still rules).
So, if some of you stopped watching Shippuuden because of the bad start, I recommend to watch further.
Naruto has redeemed itself!
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Let me enlighten you on some terminology and history. A cartoon describes sequential art, be it animation, comics, illustration, no matter what country it's produced in. It actually is an ancient term that dates back to sequential paintings in the Rennaissance era. It doesn't mean "Loony Toons" though anime fans seem to want to make it that way because they don't like to call Japanese animation cartoons. Furthermore, in Japan, they call Loony Toons and Disney cartoons anime. :)
Isn't anime a word with french origins, anyway? By the true definition, stuff like Code Lyoko and even Totally Spies could be considered anime.
I dunno, Naruto seems better in manga format because some of the anime episodes are ridiculous… like the one where they tried to remove Kakashi's mask. And you're right, during the Hokage battle I noticed thata lot of the animation was off-kilter. Plus, they didn't make Orochimaru have the same creepiness that he did in the manga when he showed his true, younger face.
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The animation in Shippuuden right now is just very inconsistant, much like One Piece for example. Some episodes like 16 have all the characters looking hideously deformed and off-model, while other episodes like 17 are movie quality.
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Sorry for bumping this, but, wow… I just HAD to share this terrible fight scene from Shipuuden. XD
Lol, what the hell happened. XD
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So, if some of you stopped watching Shippuuden because of the bad start, I recommend to watch further.
Naruto has redeemed itself!
hum, no, it's worst than ever. say, the manga was still super slow during the sakuXchiyo VS sasori, and it's even SLOWER in the anime. how is that even possible?!
so, no, people who stopped watching it, just don't start doing it again.
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Yeah I agree. It was horrible in the beginning, then it got a bit better and now its just fucking horrible again. I already stopped watching it. Lets see if I some day bother to read the manga.
Avoid at all costs.
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I don't even know what happens next and I know Shippuuden is going slow.
Shippuuden is just a Ninja Drama. Naruto's had two and a half years of filler and the filler drags on longer, only thing new here is their saved budget from the previous series.
 
