Power Level Clarification Guide

Nauykuyr

Bounty:
Oda has stated that bounties are based up threat level to the government. Bounties are how much an enemy is worth to the government captured (up to 30% is removed when the bounty is killed). Leaders usually qualify for higher bounties. Only those opposed to the government have them, so marines will not be given any. Since more stronger pirates pose larger threats, usually bounty is a good rough indicator of fighting ability.

Luffy: 300,000,000
Zoro: 120,000,000
Robin: 80,000,000
Sanji: 77,000,000
Franky: 44,000,000
Usopp: 30,000,000
Nami: 16,000,000
Chopper: 50 (not accurate)

Chikara(力), physical strength:
Chikara is used in the red book to indicate strengths of the Straw Hat crew. It can be literally translated as "physical force". The kanji's original representation is an arm, and means only physical strength when the kanji is used alone in referrence to a person. It is used alongside other dubious attributes. This measurement has only been used in the databook.

Luffy: 6
Zoro: 6
Sanji: 5
Chopper: 2
Usopp: 2
Nami: 1

Dexterity(器用さ):
Dexterity is used in the red book to indicate precise manipulation (tool usage, etc.). Usopp scores highest in this category, as his high dexterity makes him an excellent sniper and tool maker. Zoro is not at the highest value, indicating a weakness in his swordsmanship (made up with power instead). This measurement has only been used in the databook.

Usopp: 6
Zoro: 4
Sanji: 4
Nami: 4
Chopper: 2
Luffy: 1

Douriki (道力):
Douriki is tested using teawase (a game/contest). Members of Cipher Pol 9 are the only people tested so far. The contest only tests physical strength, so it is similar to chikara. It does not take into account the extent of DF abilities. It is unknown whether this measurement will be used by Oda later in the manga.

Lucci: 4000
Kaku: 2200
Jyabura: 2180
Blueno: 820
Kumadori: 810
Fukurou: 800
Kalifa: 630
Normal marine: 10
Spandam: 9

Tsuyoi (強), powerful, true strength:
This is used to declare a "powerful" person, equivalent to fighting ability. The word can also be used to declare a greater/stronger person. When Cobi is defeated by Luffy, he calls Luffy powerful (強). The kanji for tsuyoi is also used in other shonen manga, such as Dragonball Z.

Whitebeard is known as the strongest (強) man in the world.

Genesis

baaka
16 charecters.

Gizmo

You should've just put this in that asura thread, its basically a power level/who's stronger thread anyways.

Good job just putting the facts down though.

zeroxtb

this thread is riding the fail rails

Kma

Bounties are also affected by position.

ie Captain will be worth more then the crew.

Nauykuyr

@Kma:

Bounties are also affected by position.

ie Captain will be worth more then the crew.

For a little while, Robin had a higher bounty than Luffy. But in general, you're right.

Kma

@Nauykuyr:

For a little while, Robin had a higher bounty than Luffy. But in general, you're right.

Technically Robin didnt join till after Luffy's new bounty (they just didnt know about it til BB showed them). But if Zoro is considered first mate then Robin had a higher bounty before.

Also isnt the more direct translation of 力, Power? Power is a combination of speed and strength, more precisely in Physics terms, the amount work done in a second, which is much more useful then Strength in a fight.

Anyways great work on the organization and clarity in your first post. It sets out some really good points. For some reason though I think this thread might end up causing a huge debate…

Anime Master

I know one thing about Luffys power level

ITS OVER 9000!

Nauykuyr

@Kma:

Also isnt the more direct translation of 力, Power? Power is a combination of speed and strength, more precisely in Physics terms, the amount work done in a second, which is much more useful then Strength in a fight.

It's used mostly for physical strength (the ability to output force).

Japanese wikipedia literally translates it to force (f=ma in physics, much different from power). That's when it is used alone, but can have more meanings when used in combination with other kanji (it's also used in douriki道力).
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8A%9B

From another page:

When studying Panda, Suzuki Sensei would always ask for “Tsuyoi”. In fact, he would often say “Chikara jyanai” or “Chikara dame” meaning:

That kind of strength (force) is not right. Force is useless.

“Chikara” is physical strength. It is “katai” meaning hard or brittle. It is easily broken. “Tsuyoi” is “Jyusui” or pure. It is brave, yielding and true strength.

Wiktionary definies it as power, however wikitionary considers the primary usage of power to be:

power (uncountable and countable; plural powers)
1. Physical force or strength.

Kma

Ok getting pretty off topic but…

Your probaly right. When I was examing the Red Book I asked my mom because Im not very fluent in Mandarin, (Japanese and Mandarin have many of the same characters) and she informed me it was power.

Anyways, I played lots of Rugby, football. Also I do martial arts and kickboxing and I can tell you from both my coaches and personal experience strength alone means shit. When I was alot younger I thought doing constant excercises such as bench presses, squats would improve my athletic ability. Boy was I wrong, it did quite the opposite. You become slower if you concentrate on Strength alone.

When I became more knowledgeable I basically stopped "strength" training. Instead I focus more on "power." Sprinting, powerlifting are all displays of power. You muster up all the force you can apply in the fastest time possible. This is what is crucial in in real life applications. No one is going to give you 2-3 seconds to throw a punch, or 3-5sec to lift some weight.

Zulen

Dude, this gives me a wicked idea for a comic. You know where Fukurou measures the CP9's Douriki? They should have him go "Hmm… Lucci... what's your strength... what's your strength?

GASP!
IT'S OVER FOUR THOOUUUUUSSAAAANNNNDDD!!"

Goldeneye

What is this dbz? power level's? Kakaort… lol his power level is rising fast hehehhe rolf haahh i'm sorry coudn't help it that time. Well dude luffy obivoulsy kicked the crap out of waht's his face? um... can't remember(bad with names) but anyway so that's why his bountry sky rocketed as well did the others yeah- nami got a bounty (which is preety cool) I think she deserved the bounty raise because well

she's a theif
really smart
she's preety
excellent navigator-ok navigator's back then( i'm talkin about like 1500;s-1800's ) were almost like captains, so if oda actually put it in this setting then she should be considered very valuable

I still think nami should be like 35,000,000 beli but tha'ts me

Usopp did not get a 6 for Dexterity because he was a sniper. He himself is a weak man, but he makes use of the tools he has and invents new types of stars to fight those that are exponentially stronger than him.

Nauykuyr

@Franklin:

Usopp did not get a 6 for Dexterity because he was a sniper. He himself is a weak man, but he makes use of the tools he has and invents new types of stars to fight those that are exponentially stronger than him.

He's a marksman, which needs dexterity (in the more literal sense). Inventing tricky tools relates more to his intelligence. He's been using the slingshot before his other tools (dials, etc.). The red book was written before Alabasta, I believe.

Your probaly right. When I was examing the Red Book I asked my mom because Im not very fluent in Mandarin, (Japanese and Mandarin have many of the same characters) and she informed me it was power.

You can call a country "strong" or "powerful". When talking about a country, you could use chikara. In that sense it means power (political and militarily). When talking about a person, it relates more directly to physical force.

There's combinations that can mean what you're saying (活力 - katsuryoku). For the literal power you're thinking of, apparently it's:
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BB%95%E4%BA%8B%E7%8E%87

Really, the semantics of power/strength isn't as important as Oda's intention. Within One Piece, douriki relates to physical strength. "Riki" in this case another pronunciation (in Japanese) for chikara (力), where douriki (道力) is literally translated to something like "method of strength".

Final End

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jinjue

I agree with Franklin D. Roosevelt – best user name ever, by the way! – about Usopp. I always believed that Usopp got a max dexterity stat because of how skilled he is with his hands, not because he's a sniper. I think that his inventing and repair work exemplify his dexterity better than his sniping does, as his sniping is more hand to eye coordination than pure dex. Also, I don't really feel that his intelligence plays a terribly huge role in his workshop-ing; of course Usopp has to be fairly smart to come up with and invent the things that he does, but some of his inventions were wrought by pure accident as well. Take the Clima Tact, for instance. It's an amazingly powerful weapon, but it was one that Usopp invented on accident. It took Nami's preternatural weather sense to truly understand how powerful a weapon it was, whereas to Usopp it was little more than a party trick and means of distraction.

Beyond that…I'm not exactly sure what the point of this thread is. I mean, it's nice having all of the facts listed out, but those facts are also readily available on other parts of the site. Not only that, but it's been said by Oda that bounties are not an accurate measure of power, so I don't really see how they apply towards accurately judging a "power level". Lastly, the stat wheels that you posted are possibly dated, since One Piece Red came out years ago and a new character book is due out this spring.

Of course, it's very possible that I'm just being bitter. I see far too many people using bounties and the One Piece Red stats to justify "facts" that I find absolutely ridiculous, like claiming that Zoro is more powerful than Luffy or that Sanji is a weakling. That kind of thing really makes no sense to me. :getlost:

~ jj ~

hyper_megaman

力 when used in stats, is strength/applied force

強 when used in stats, refers to general power of a sort. it's more towards effectivity, aka powerful like i emphasized time and again in threads with people whining about whitebeard just being strongest in brute strength.

a good example would be like if a bunch of kids are reading one piece, and suddenly sogeking starts sniping spandam and his cronies off the bridge, they'd go 'WOW usopp is frickin "強" / 哇！骗人布好强！(in chinese)'.

no one would go 'usopp has a lot of 力 / 很有力 (in chinese)'. because that would refer to physical strength which he has nothing of. i don't think he even has the ability to make his heart continue beating

Flame me, you usopp fans!

Nauykuyr

@jinjue:

I agree with Franklin D. Roosevelt – best user name ever, by the way! – about Usopp. I always believed that Usopp got a max dexterity stat because of how skilled he is with his hands, not because he's a sniper. I think that his inventing and repair work exemplify his dexterity better than his sniping does, as his sniping is more hand to eye coordination than pure dex. Also, I don't really feel that his intelligence plays a terribly huge role in his workshop-ing; of course Usopp has to be fairly smart to come up with and invent the things that he does, but some of his inventions were wrought by pure accident as well. Take the Clima Tact, for instance. It's an amazingly powerful weapon, but it was one that Usopp invented on accident. It took Nami's preternatural weather sense to truly understand how powerful a weapon it was, whereas to Usopp it was little more than a party trick and means of distraction.

Being dexterous in general will lead to better sniping and small manipulation for tool making, however, since this is talking more about power levels (fighting), then I'd say the more important association is his sniping. He does have good tool making (compared to the other SH), but it's not as good as you'd make it out to be, since we've seen engineers and shipwrights in one piece do a better job than Usopp (such as Franky). However, compared to the rest of the world, Usopp is probably one of the best snipers. We've only seen 2-3 snipers, so far, better than him.

Essentially when the new book comes out and Franky has a higher dexterity than Usopp, we'll know for sure if it's inclusive of tool making.

jinjue

Being dexterous in general will lead to better sniping and small manipulation for tool making, however, since this is talking more about power levels (fighting), then I'd say the more important association is his sniping.

Normally I can see that logic working, but I do not and never will feel that those stat wheels are purely based on fighting or "power levels" at all. If so, how can you possibly explain what fashion sense has to do with anything?

He does have good tool making (compared to the other SH), but it's not as good as you'd make it out to be, since we've seen engineers and shipwrights in one piece do a better job than Usopp (such as Franky).

Shipbuilding isn't the same as inventing, tool making and general inventing. Also, those engineers and shipwrights were trained to build ships, while Usopp hasn't trained to do much of anything; all of Usopp's manual dexterity is inherent. Not that I really think you need a huge amount of dexterity to build ships like that to begin with, outside of a few specialist jobs involving finishing. And while I admit that Franky is particularly impressive, he's already shown that his natural affinity is for building weapons. As far as I know, that's the extent of what's been shown about his natural dexterity.

Also, Usopp's dexterity is shown in numerous ways. He's an inventor of some repute, a short term repairman, a talented artist and a master sniper. So that's why I think that his max dexterity stat has more to do with his overall skill with his hands than just being good at a single thing, id est sniping.

Lastly, I'd like to state for the record that I still don't see what the point of this thread is. I mean, one of the greatest things about One Piece when compared to other typical shounen manga is that you don't need some kind of measured "IT'S OVER NINE-THOOOOOOUSAAAAAAND!" power level gubbinz in order to be a skilled and competent fighter. I'd prefer to leave all of that "power level" nonsense to DBZ, thankyouverymuch.

~ jj ~

Impel Down

Throwing it out there, I think Usopp has the most stamina.

Angel emfrbl

More like more speed at running (away).

I've got my shovel ready to fight off Usopp fans for being a Usopp hater.

I'm just going to regret the first real Sniper V Sniper fight Usopp has. I can see the Usopp power threads coming out of the works.

Nauykuyr

@jinjue:

Also, Usopp's dexterity is shown in numerous ways. He's an inventor of some repute, a short term repairman, a talented artist and a master sniper. So that's why I think that his max dexterity stat has more to do with his overall skill with his hands than just being good at a single thing, id est sniping.

Shipwright skill is much more than building large parts of ships (the shipwrights did all the mechanical parts of the Thousand sunny, including the steam engine, which is more likely better in craftsmanship than Usopp's crafts)

Also when Usopp was trying to rebuild Merry, he was doing a shoddy job (everything was crooked and such). He's good at engineering (building tools), but Franky is much better. Franky rebuilt his own cybernetic body after getting hit by a train, He has also built more technologically advanced, detailed, and devestating weapons than Usopp.

Impel Down

And Franky understands more about construction than Usopp.

jinjue

Shipwright skill is much more than building large parts of ships (the shipwrights did all the mechanical parts of the Thousand sunny, including the steam engine, which is more likely better in craftsmanship than Usopp's crafts)

They were also trained professionals while Usopp was not. I'm sure that with proper training Usopp could probably excel at engineering and carpentry. But I digress…my original point is that Usopp's max dexterity stat has more to do with an overall skill with his hands in general than JUST his sniping. Also, that the stat wheels in One Piece Red are not just about power levels. I mean, come on! Fashion sense is a stat! If that doesn't prove it, I don't know what does.

Unless you really think that Nami and Sanji's superior style and knowlege of haute couture really aid them in battle. :getlost:

Also when Usopp was trying to rebuild Merry, he was doing a shoddy job (everything was crooked and such). He's good at engineering (building tools), but Franky is much better. […] He has also built more technologically advanced, detailed, and devestating weapons than Usopp.

I never said that Franky wasn't better at engineering and repair. The simple fact that Franky has spent most of his life working and training professionally to that end clinches it in his favour over Usopp, who was untrained, an amature and a novice. I also pointed out that Franky has a natural skill with building advanced weaponry even before he was apprenticed to Tom. But does that translate into overall manual dexterity in general in the same way that Usopp has shown? I'm personally inclined to say no.

~ jj ~

Nauykuyr

Franky was building battleships since he was a kid. His natural talent exceeds Usopp. Even trained people couldn't make a cybernetic body like Franky. You're talking about the best shipwright in the world. Usopp was never intended to be the engineer. Usopp is the markman and has been before he started making more complicated weapons.

Anyways, the dexterity chart lists sanji, zoro, and nami with 4 dexterity, and none of them can make tools. However, each of them can use weapons (swords, knives, staves, respectively). The numbers aren't coming from tool making.

If Oda meant tool making, he coulda just wrote it down. Dexterity has different encompassing meaning.

Cap'n Carter

Impel Down

…what the fuck did that have to do with anything?

Phenomenol

Carter that was weak.

Final End

I see Mr Carter and others must think that this thread in the One piece manga is not an intelligent.

Cap'n Carter

@Impel:

…what the fuck did that have to do with anything?

Hey here's a question: how can you of all people complain about the relevancy of a post?

Phenomenol

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gamistras

so the question of the thread is??? about luffy=zoro (please god no)? what is it about?

and people remember,pics are dangerous!

jinjue

[Franky's] natural talent exceeds Usopp.

Because I'm tired of typing the same thing over and over again, I'll just quote myself.

"I also pointed out that Franky has a natural skill with building advanced weaponry even before he was apprenticed to Tom. But does that translate into overall manual dexterity in general in the same way that Usopp has shown? I'm personally inclined to say no."

Anyways, the dexterity chart lists sanji, zoro, and nami with 4 dexterity, and none of them can make tools. […] The numbers aren't coming from tool making.

"[…] my original point is that Usopp's max dexterity stat has more to do with an overall skill with his hands in general than JUST his sniping. Also, that the stat wheels in One Piece Red are not just about power levels."

so the question of the thread is??? about luffy=zoro (please god no)?

I agree. I absolutely loathe how people try to claim that Zoro and Luffy are equals or that Zoro is somehow better than Luffy because they have the same 'power' stat and Zoro has a better dexterity stat. As an argument, I find that absolutely ridiculous.

what is [this thread] about?

I've been participating in it for a while now, and I still have no idea what the point of this thread is.

~ jj ~

gamistras

@jinjue:

I agree. I absolutely loathe how people try to claim that Zoro and Luffy are equals or that Zoro is somehow better than Luffy because they have the same 'power' stat and Zoro has a better dexterity stat. As an argument, I find that absolutely ridiculous.

well zoro isn't or will ever be stronger than luffy but the first part is debatable,zoro and luffy for now seem to be equal though i believe luffy in the end of the series will be slightly stronger or they will still be equals

anyway luffy stronger than zoro is acceptable since the EL brought new facts (well i still think they are equal) but zoro stronger than luffy is ridiculous

also sorry if u hoped i said they are not equal but…

I've been participating in it for a while now, and I still have no idea what the point of this thread is.

~ jj ~

it's good to know i am not alone!

Nauykuyr

This is a discussion for systems relevant to fighting, not really for characters. It was made because people were confusing the different meanings of the listed systems.

"[…] my original point is that Usopp's max dexterity stat has more to do with an overall skill with his hands in general than JUST his sniping. Also, that the stat wheels in One Piece Red are not just about power levels."

Questioning what dexterity means is fine. I'm pretty convinced Usopp was listed as 6 due to his general dexterity, which is most readily apparent in his sniping (what he is best at). I pretty much agree with you, but I don't think his tool making grants him higher dexterity, it only shows he has a high dexterity.

That is:
Tool making does not grant you dexterity,
dexterity grants you tool making.

Do you agree? I'll change the wording in the guide to reflect that.

If you don't like the thread, leave. There's no reason to post giant pointless pictures because you have no arguments.

Pants-eater

This whole notion of "dooreekeys" and "Cheekarrarrs" and Doowhackeys is completely wrong and is just a cover for people who think they can measure power. It's just a pompous ruse.

The true way is if the thing is OVER NINE THOUUUSAAANDDD!!!! or not.

Ero_Sennin

dex·ter·i·ty /dɛkˈstɛrɪti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[dek-[B]ster-i-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1.skill or adroitness in using the hands or body; agility. 2.mental adroitness or skill; cleverness.

I'm not sure what you mean by the "databook", but they might not mean dexterity in that sense, right?

BTW, don't you think that Chopper deserves a higher Dex stat? He is a doctor, so he has to perform precise surgery and needs to know where to make incisions and what not, so maybe he should be the one with the highest Dex, not Usopp.

Nauykuyr

@Pants-eater:

This whole notion of "dooreekeys" and "Cheekarrarrs" and Doowhackeys is completely wrong and is just a cover for people who think they can measure power. It's just a pompous ruse.

The true way is if the thing is OVER NINE THOUUUSAAANDDD!!!! or not.

It's what Oda has used and given. I'm just trying to make it as clear as possible what they are. Other than tsuyoi, I make no claims on what the ratings and numbers relate to in a fight. It's open to discussion for now.

I'm not sure what you mean by the "databook", but they might not mean dexterity in that sense, right?

BTW, don't you think that Chopper deserves a higher Dex stat? He is a doctor, so he has to perform precise surgery and needs to know where to make incisions and what not, so maybe he should be the one with the highest Dex, not Usopp.

The Grand Line data book (red) is an extra manga book describing the strawhats, which was written by Oda. Part of it in English is here: http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-2

I've seen one person translate the dexterity in the book as "weapon usage", but I think we'd have to ask a native Japanese speaker for clarification. For precision, I still think Usopp would have a higher score than Chopper. Even when Usopp is shaking scared, he makes accurate and precise shots.

jinjue

I pretty much agree with you, but I don't think his tool making grants him higher dexterity, it only shows he has a high dexterity. […] Do you agree?

Considering that this is what I've been getting at from my very first post, yes. :getlost:

BTW, don't you think that Chopper deserves a higher Dex stat?

For precision, I still think Usopp would have a higher score than Chopper. Even when Usopp is shaking scared, he makes accurate and precise shots.

I agree with Nauykuyr here, amazingly enough, though I also think that for a doctor a dexterity stat of two is somewhat worrysome. But at the same time I can understand it because Chopper's most common form doesn't even have hands, he has hooves. As skilled as Chopper is as a doctor, it does make sense for him to have a relatively poor dexterity stat when compared with the others because he doesn't even have thumbs most of the time.

This whole notion of "dooreekeys" and "Cheekarrarrs" and Doowhackeys is completely wrong and is just a cover for people who think they can measure power. It's just a pompous ruse.

I agree with this as well. Can't we just leave the power levels to DBZ? And it should be obvious by now to anyone who's been keeping up with One Piece that "power levels" alone mean all of jack shit in a fight.

~ jj ~

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

the chara who fights against the arc-boss is the main chara and so the most powerful–---=luffy
who fights against the second strongest chara in a arc is the second most powerful-------=zoro
and so on.........
In every manga i read and i know this is so....like a rule
I mean when luffy isnt the strongest than he isnt worth to be sometimes the pirateking... also the fight in vol.13 doesnt say anything about who wins at the end really.....mean both charas getting stronger how longer the fight goes....also zoro fights with a sword and luffy has devilfruitpower....
luffys goal is to be the pirateking---so the strongest opn earth
zoros goal is to be the best swordsmen----the one with the best technique
mihawk is the best swordman but WB is also he isnt a pirateking the strongest called in OP.....so mihawk is just the best swordman not the most powerful one ....
and so luffy cant be equal with zoro cause luffy must be the powerfullst when he want to reach his goal....zoro has to be the strongest swordman with the best technique

you cant compare them in how much power they got....they have both big dreams but luffy cant be equal at the end with zoro cause so he never will get his dream...

Pants-eater

I see Mr Carter and others must think that this thread in the One piece manga is not an intelligent.

cough

Maybe we should just grab a Carter canon. LOL SIEGE JOKE

Cap'n Carter

@Nauykuyr:

If you don't like the thread, leave. There's no reason to post giant pointless pictures because you have no arguments.

You can't discuss power levels without Big the Budo

CosmicDebris

This is basically the same discussion as the other thread, except with more spam.