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Vinland Saga
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Nah, that was actually Vinland. They just gotta scram so they won't get skewered by the Natives =D
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I'd like even a single chapter of it, but it doesn't change the fundamental criticism, for me. We were promised a journey with a specific goal. Kind of the same premise of One Piece. Then we just stopped at a single location for waaaaaay longer than we should have. Which most people did not find that interesting anyway. And then we skip the rest of the journey and move on with the story. It's a sort of betrayal. It soured things. And again, the pacing of things doesn't help at all. It would be like knowing that we were going to Wano but taking the detour to Totto Land and then skipping straight to Laugh Tale because Oda got tired or something.
One piece is plot-driven.
Vinland Saga is more character-driven.
I get the point that you are trying to make but it doesn't exactly work since the series has always focused on the characters more than actual events.
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Settling time
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Love is war
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Is this chapter supossed to happen before last chapter?
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No, apparently there was nothing further behind the statue being destroyed besides to bros grieving a dead friend.
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Fist contact
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Oh boy, those next chaps are going to be some interesting ones. Chaps where the only complaint is the length.
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I am about to watch the last episode of the anime. I unfortunately got spoiled askeladds death already but I am interested on how it will turn out. I wanna ask if its worth reading the manga after?
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The only heads-up I can give is that Post-Askeladd Vinland Saga feels like an entirely different manga.
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I recommend, but if you entered in the story because of the high octane viking action, don't expect the following arcs having the same level or intensity.
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The arc that anime covers is great.
But the next arc is not the same. The writer takes a different approach and settles down to explore the ideas that have been foreshadowed by Thors.
With that said, yes it's absolutely worth reading if you like brilliant character stuff. It's the arc that elevates the entire series and makes Thorfinn into such an interesting and awesome character.
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Chapter out on Mangasee.
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lets hope this adaptation is better than the shitty first season
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Huh, I thought the first season was a pretty adaptation overall.
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Just finished the anime. And I'm catching up on the manga step by step… I just have one question for the future of the manga. Does Guillaume/William the Conqueror ever appeared in the manga ?
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No. Were in Knut's reign (1017-1035) were thirty wears to early for him.
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I now hate two things about the manga: Hild, that takes away Thorfinn's agency to be a good person. And that's a secular complaint.
And… why are we seeing the native people's side of the ordeal? This is supposed to be Thorfinn's adventure. Seeing "the other side" is... really bad. We know exactly what is going on, and why, while the main characters can barely communicate with them. It would have been much better to see this arc in a one-sided way, where the natives act as they do but we don't understand why, at least for a while.
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I don't see how that would be better, but at the same time I don't see how that would be worse.
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No. Were in Knut's reign (1017-1035) were thirty wears to early for him.
On the other hand, we could have seen Basil II's last decade in power in Constantin… Ah, forget it. I've lost my will to complain about it.
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I don't see how that would be better, but at the same time I don't see how that would be worse.
We'd get to experience Vinland as the characters do, not passively with a God's Eye view on the surroundings.
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We'd get to experience Vinland as the characters do, not passively with a God's Eye view on the surroundings.
I think that the inevitable conflict between the two works much better if both sides perspectives are build up at the same time rather than showing the other side reteospectively.
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I pretty much finished reading the Jomsviking war arc. Still can't understand what was the point of all that. I mean, as a whole in the scenario.
And I hope that Hild will turn out to be useful somehow.
My favorite arc until now might very well be the one about slavery.
Can't wait to reach Miklagard…...
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I pretty much finished reading the Jomsviking war arc. Still can't understand what was the point of all that. I mean, as a whole in the scenario.
No one does, maybe reveal that Floki was the one behind the death of Thors.
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Okkkkaayyy, finally reached chapter 185.
I think I can ForEseE how it's gonna turn out. The rats who came with the ships are gonna cause a bacterial shock with the indigenous populations. Lots of people will eventually die and all.
As for Constantinople, it's a bummer. But I guess you cannot bring us to Constantinople -the quintessence of human civilization?- and then to somewhere where people are only gonna farm some land…. it would kill the tension
And, can someone tell me how this manga is released exactly ? Do we get a chapter on a precise schedule like One Piece ? I was told this mangaka takes many pauses, or was it someone else ?
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And, can someone tell me how this manga is released exactly ? Do we get a chapter on a precise schedule like One Piece ? I was told this mangaka takes many pauses, or was it someone else ?
It is a monthly series. I don't know the exact time of publication though
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It's monthly and we lost two whole years in the Baltic.
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And then Capitalism happened.
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Vinland-Saga-chapter-186.html
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So Bug Eyes is a language teacher now, eh? Never saw that coming.^^
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Bears. They're unbearable.
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You can kill again Thorfinn.
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Vinland-Saga-chapter-191.html
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It's getting interesting now.
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Heh. It can't always be about peaceful achievements. I'm hanging to my seat now.
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Just caught up on this thing after finally starting it and then binging it in like, a week. It being on Netflix helped get me going on it. Surprised to see I was in here like two years ago asking if I should read it. You guys should have sold me on it better!
Whew, what a ride!
Nothing in the later part of the story quite as strong or compelling as the "prologue" and all the stuff with Askeladd, but a pretty solid run. I've been meaning to try this series for ages and just never did... now I think I'm going to have to pick up the physical volumes.
I can understand why people might think the farm part is overlong or dull, but not spending years to read it and getting it all in one go it was a hell of a character piece and the change it needed after Thorfinn spent a decade with Askeladde... and the way it slowly built tension up for the confrontation with the king, and the genuine laugh I got at the end of it, was all worth the journey.
I can see it being a pain if it took 4 or 5 years to get through though.
Everything since then has been interesting and relatively light but its neat seeing the "first choice" path being taken.
The moment with Hilde just a few chapters ago really got me too.
The series is due to finish in about a year, right? I picked a good/bad time to finally start it.
I suppose I need to give Kingdom another try now, though that completely failed to grab me last time I tried it.
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@Chrior said in Vinland Saga:
But then it's ruined by the fact that we're promised a journey to find One Piece and then we stop for ages in the Alabasta civil war and, by the time it's finished, instead of continuing the journey, we have a big timeskip and go straight to the final war, while being just informed that yes, they found One Piece.
Okay, I know this is from two years ago but... was it really THAT upsetting that there was a time skip? We saw the part of the journey that ended the civil war and the major character arcs for everyone involved in it... and then the next two years of the journey were relatively uneventful. They peacefully made it to town, traded somehorns, got rich, then came back. Covered in a super quick flashback, no biggie.
If the author has been doing the series for 17 years and is burning out, I'd much rather they high speed it through a not-important part in the middle that is JUST about "getting money so we can then start the real adventure" so they can spend proper time on the ending, rather than spending months or years just going through a filler town where the characters don't grow or change or do anything super new or interesting....
only to then end up hyper rushing the actual finale because they're tired of the series and burned out and just desperately want to be done.
I'm looking at you Oda.
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@Robby said in Vinland Saga:
@Chrior said in Vinland Saga:
But then it's ruined by the fact that we're promised a journey to find One Piece and then we stop for ages in the Alabasta civil war and, by the time it's finished, instead of continuing the journey, we have a big timeskip and go straight to the final war, while being just informed that yes, they found One Piece.
Okay, I know this is from two years ago but... was it really THAT upsetting that there was a time skip? We saw the part of the journey that ended the civil war and the major character arcs for everyone involved in it... and then the next two years of the journey were relatively uneventful. They peacefully made it to town, traded somehorns, got rich, then came back. Covered in a super quick flashback, no biggie.
If the author has been doing the series for 17 years and is burning out, I'd much rather they high speed it through a not-important part in the middle that is JUST about "getting money so we can then start the real adventure" so they can spend proper time on the ending, rather than spending months or years just going through a filler town where the characters don't grow or change or do anything super new or interesting....
only to then end up hyper rushing the actual finale because they're tired of the series and burned out and just desperately want to be done.
I'm looking at you Oda.
While I personally didn't care that much I can totally understand why people are disappointed. The author made it seem like they will go to Constantinople next which of course will make the readers expect that to happen.
I get what you're saying about just skipping unnecassary parts but still, the reader is not at fault for expecting the author to actually show what he announced. I hate how Fishman Island turned out to be in the end but still I wouldn't have wanted Oda to skip it just so that he could quicker to the New World, because he didn't really like writing that part of the series. It was promised and we got it. It'd rather remain not satisfied with how it turned out than not getting it at all. So I get where people are coming from with Vinland Saga.
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On the other hand, in OP it feels like we may be entering a world where we finally get to Elbaf after 25 years of build up and its glossed over and rushed in 10 chapters just to do it, and the big finale war is just sort of a side note because Oda just... can't anymore and wants to be done in 3 years. Even when he doesn't manage it in three and actually still needs five or seven or ten, the fact that he thinks he can finish that fast means there's probably a lot less left in the meal than we expect.
And if he's that in a hurry to wrap it up then I really wish some of the earlier arcs had been half their size so we could cut 3 or 4 years out the way here and have Oda hit the finale with his full energy.
Yeah its nice to hit the checklist and have the adventure, but if its a case where the author tells us "Not much really happened there, three or four panels in a flashback montage kind of cover it" and then move on so they can focus on the ending? I kind of prefer that.
I dunno, the last dozen chapters of Wano just really shook my faith in Oda delivering on the ending of the series and its the first time it's ever really made me doubt. Its the first time in 20 years of following One Piece I've just been flat out unhappy with it and feeling chapter after chapter that Oda has lost it and is missing on all the sorts of things he used to hit perectly every arc...
Then you add in the other series I've been following for decades, Berserk, and well... the author dying. And Hunter X Hunter and the author... whatever Togashi is doing. And Vagabond is probably never finishing because the author just lost his mojo on it... and Negima had to run to a screaming awful finale due to company shenanigans outside the author's control and speedrun what should have been another 20 volumes in 2 chapters... or in the novel world WHeel of Time or the Amber Chronicles never finishing in the author's lifetime...
Well my attitude has shifted a bit on authors showing every detail and minutia and side character along the way and taking decades to do it. That worldbuilding and fleshing out it great... but in the long run I'd prefer if they skim some of the less important stuff along the way so they can put some time in where it really matters before the author just gives out in terms of passion or ability or circumstances out of their control.
But then in this particular case I just binged the series so for me its just how the story naturally flowed. Them going to the far off city was the promise of a day to me, I totally get being upset about it being missing if you'd been waiting for years.
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@Robby said in Vinland Saga:
Okay, I know this is from two years ago but... was it really THAT upsetting that there was a time skip? We saw the part of the journey that ended the civil war and the major character arcs for everyone involved in it... and then the next two years of the journey were relatively uneventful.
I can't speak for Chrior, but on my end, seeing how great the farming and slavery arc had been (I enjoyed it through and through, never felt it long or anything), I was really looking forward to a trading arc that would take us across medieval Eastern Europe. Mostly for the exotic setting and also to watch Thorfinn develop new skills and evolve further away from his warrior ways.
So it was quite disappointing to instead spend ages on the Baltic War arc which honestly cannot hold a candle to the Askeladd years.
I do somewhat agree with your argument about skipping parts that are uneventful for characters and preserving the author's passion - the Oda parallel is really striking in light of the Wano ending. But, Constantinople.
Maybe it wouldn't even have been all that good, because in retrospect Vinland Saga is mostly about small villages and wild fields. It's possible the author wouldn't have fared as well with a sprawling city and complex architecture. Maybe Constantinople would have been his Wano and backing off was the right choice. Still I was eagerly anticipating, because I don't know many historical mangas that take place in this particular setting. -
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Totally get what you mean. Still I would prefer a rushed job at Elbaf than not seeing it at all. To me there's a huge difference between the two. If Elbaf would be Zou sized in terms of chapter it sure wouldn't be what many here expect but to me at least it would let me see the Strawhats have an "Adventure in the Land of Giants".Also I know how you feel about losing faith in Oda being able to deliver on the ending. That was me at the end of Marineford. Back then everyone laughed at me for seeing cracks in Oda's way to handle things and slightly losing beginning to lose faith in him, which is when I realized that APF is pretty much the Bleachasylum and Narutofan of the One Piece community. Took kinda the fun out of interactions when a huge mob pretty much just fangasmed at "no fail GODA" without being able to consider that constructive points of critisism might actually be valid. But boy have things changed in the decade that I have been away.
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@Seafarer33 said in Vinland Saga:
I do somewhat agree with your argument about skipping parts that are uneventful for characters and preserving the author's passion - the Oda parallel is really striking in light of the Wano ending. But, Constantinople.
Oh yeah, I absolutely get wanting to see it. Especially if you spent years waiting for it rather than the... one day or so that I did. I had zero time to get invested in or think about the possibility, especially after the big battle resolved them being chased and all the still lose vikings and old characters and pretty much settled Thorfinn's new attitude.
Going from "chasing down my father's killer for 12 years and doing horrible things for the sake of it" to "letting the man REALLY responsible for my father's death go" showed a ton of growth and that he wasn't going to backslide.
So I kind of felt like everything that had actually been set up and promised had been done at that point, and the rest would just be a whole new trip with a whole new adventure and sideplot. It had no buildup or expectation for me narratively.
And then it was just skipped and I wasn't bothered.
But its entirely possible it was a situation of either skip it, or spend the next 50 chapters and five-six years of real time there, and the author opted for the former.
Nothin stopping him from going back and doing a fill in after the series is done if he feels like it after he's had a break.
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@Ivotas said in Vinland Saga:
Also I know how you feel about losing faith in Oda being able to deliver on the ending. That was me at the end of Marineford.
Any problems I had with Marineford I was able to chalk up as just being the halftime preview, and that "we'd get the real payoff thing later." And then with Fishman Island. "Well that wasn't satisfying but there's all these hooks, its actual story isn't done yet. We'll get that payoff later..." and just generally enjoyed the ride.
Wano is the first time it being too unweildy and more than Oda could juggle, combined with a hyper rushed and unsatisfying ending and multiple retcons and off-screen developments to speed the story along...
Like the can has been kicked down the road for "the payoff" and well... I'm having my doubts after Wano was a 4 year arc and ended with a total miss on multiple accounts. None of the Momo builup paying off, no catharsis for the final hit, no real flashback for the villain, complete off-camera reversal for Yamato's goals after two years of declaring the opposite, everything about Nika and the Luffy's fruit retcon... I kind of liked Gear 5 because the spectacle was fun and that what we kind of figured an awakened rubber fruit would do, but the delivery and lore and exposition around it suuucked.
And it just kind of deflates and makes me sad because it really is the first time I've not been okay with just going on the ride and been actively dissapointed multiple times in a row, and worried for the actual endind.
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@Robby
All understandable and relateble mate. For me it just hit home much earlier with Marineford and then Fishman Island. Of course I'd be lying that there wasn't any gripes with subjective expectations I can't really blame Oda. But there were more than enough things Oda handled just badly and that paired with subjective expectations hit home harder.Ironically the positive thing that came out of it is that I've lowered my expectations so much that personally Wano, doesn't annoy me as much as those other two arcs. Don't get me wrong, I agree with everything you said and I think that it objectively has more missteps than the other two. But at this point I've long accepted that One Piece as a whole isn't as good as I believed it to be the disappointment in Wano just didn't get to me as much anymore. I still consider One Piece to be my favorite manga of all time. But it definitely is not the best in terms of quality. Heck, I'd say it's the worst of my top five on that matter.
All that being said, to get back on topic, I still can see where the others are coming from. If something is said up to happen but you don't even get a chapter, not even a single panel of it, than I think the readers have a right to feel disappointed and cheated by the author.