No the movie isnt overrated. It's underrated…
The official Dark Knight thread
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I think he was being sarcastic.
Especially considering this
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080719/ap_on_en_mo/box_office_dark_knight
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@Sandai:
I think he was being sarcastic.
Especially considering this
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080719/ap_on_en_mo/box_office_dark_knight
Damn I'm still sarcasim-recognizing bait.
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People have way too much time on their hands.
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I had so much fun going to see this with my siblings (and a friend). There were only two problems I had with the movie.
1: It needed more Scarecrow, he's the only reason I went to see the movie, because I'm a diehard fan of the Scarecrow character.
2: I learned why I normally wait for the DVD to come out before I see a movie. I could barely understand Batman's mumbling, and I was wishing he came with subtitles. I could understand every other character easily, but I had difficulty with him.
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Because the Joker was a living breathing version of his Animated Series self. And he was a hard PG-13 version at that.
This is comforting. I was still uncertain, until I see the movie. Though the media hype is still kinda annoying to me. This is a "batman" movie. what about batman.
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I enjoyed watching the movie…It was an improvement from CRAPman Begins.
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@Sandai:
People have way too much time on their hands.
You seem like you need more.
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Ledger blows nicholson outta the water.
I won't let anyone ever tell me that Jack Nicholson's Joker is superior
Jack Nicholson's Joker is superior, I just told and showed you.
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@Mr.:
Why do you always do this?
cuz he's right.
why can't they make a third? o_O
Jack Nicholson's Joker is superior, I just told and showed you.
no, see, here's how it is, simply;
jack was a perfect joker fer the 90's, more comic book-esque movies.
heath is a perfect joker fer the new, more realistic/dark movies.
it's that simple. jack's joker wouldn't work in these, and heath's wouldn't have worked back then. now, if i had to choose one, i'd choose heath's, cuz i prefer dark stuff, but the fact remains.
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This is comforting. I was still uncertain, until I see the movie. Though the media hype is still kinda annoying to me. This is a "batman" movie. what about batman.
The problem with Batman is that the actor can never do both roles as he should. Either he's a good batman and a crappy Bruce Wayne, or vice versa. Christian Bale… I'd have to say I was feeling the Batman more than the Bruce Wayne.
But yeah, Ledger was flawless. Amazing Joker. Wish Harlequin had made some kind of cameo, though, as Dr. Quinzel or whatever. And switching Harvey's disfigurement from acid to burns... well, I know creative changes happen in Hollywood, but... why? What difference would it have made to keep it the way it was?
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no, see, here's how it is, simply;
jack was a perfect joker fer the 90's, more comic book-esque movies.
heath is a perfect joker fer the new, more realistic/dark movies.
it's that simple. jack's joker wouldn't work in these, and heath's wouldn't have worked back then. now, if i had to choose one, i'd choose heath's, cuz i prefer dark stuff, but the fact remains.
There's only ONE Joker and that's the comic book Joker that Heath and Jack portrayed. There was nothing "darker" about this one than the 1989 Batman. Both had Mobs, Both blew crap up, and assasinated people? What? Are you saying Heath's costumed seemed "darker?" Pfft..I call that bad make-up.
Besides Christian Bale's Batman sucked (he played a better Bruce Wayne).
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There's only ONE Joker and that's the comic book Joker that Heath and Jack portrayed. There was nothing "darker" about this one than the 1989 Batman. Both had Mobs, Both blew crap up, and assasinated people? What? Are you saying Heath's costumed seemed "darker?" Pfft..I call that bad make-up.
bad make-up? :getlost:
you really don't think this one was darker than the 89 joker? the things you mentioned aren't what makes them dark, either….. :wassat:
it's not what they did, it's how they did it. how heath's joker changed harvey into two-face, how he manipulated the police and the mob.
and the fact that he had absolutely no motive other than fer kicks. 90's joker had that too, but heath's really showed it.
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The difference between Nicholson's Joker and Ledger's Joker is that they both represent different sides to the character. Nicholson's is the showman, the guy who kills you with Laughing Gas while putting on parade or cracking jokes. Ledgar's is the psychotic side, the one that won't hesitate to kill hundreds and revels in it just because it's fun.
They're both the product of two different comic eras: one belonging to the time where comics were still, well comical and with some leftover 60s camp, while the other belongs to the dark, more gritty era of today.
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He's just trying to get a rise out of those of us who prefer the Nolan films.
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bad make-up? :getlost:
Yes.
you really don't think this one was darker than the 89 joker? :wassat:
Nope, acted like a terrorist more than anything.
it's not what they did, it's how they did it. how heath's joker changed harvey into two-face, how he manipulated the police and the mob.
Jack's Joker manipulated ALL the people of Gothom and the mobs as well. Two-Face was a fail character, I liked Harvey Dent better, Two-face was a rushed product in the film he was an angry guy running around on a vengence killing spree.
and the fact that he had absolutely no motive other than fer kicks. 90's joker had that too, but heath's really showed it.
And Jack's Joker Didn't, lol. Whatever, you can like what you prefer and I'll do the same, but I'll end wit this…
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The difference between Nicholson's Joker and Ledger's Joker is that they both represent different sides to the character. Nicholson's is the showman, the guy who kills you with Laughing Gas while putting on parade or cracking jokes. Ledgar's is the psychotic side, the one that won't hesitate to kill hundreds and revels in it just because it's fun.
They're both the product of two different comic eras: one belonging to the time where comics were still, well comical and with some leftover 60s camp, while the other belongs to the dark, more gritty era of today.
Different sides? Are you talking about Two-face? lol, The Joker is the Joker, nothing more.
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Nicolson's Joker was one of the worst things ever. He was not the Joker. He acted more like Elton John than the Joker. The only reason I can see people liking Jack and that performance is Nostalgia. It and the movies that followed were terrible adaptations of Batman. The movies up till "Batman Begins" were all taking way too much from that god awful sixties show, and not enough from the comic books. "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight" are fantastic movies in spite of being Batman movies.
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The Killing Joke
! What I just realized is that much of the movie is a really clever re-working of The Killing Joke, one in which The Joker wins. I mean, think about it. Instead of Gordon as his target, Harvey is. The Joker goes to great lengths and great pains to destroy Harvey's life, all to prove that if you introduce enough chaos and tragedy into someone's life, they'll crack. Rachel is killed, he's set on fire, his plan to capture The Joker and exonerate Batman in the public's eyes backfires…he has that One Bad Day. And his response? He absolutely lost it.
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First, thanks Taleran for putting that under spoilers. ^^ The earlier comment, I mean.
Second, I agree 100% with Greg's comments about the Hamill!Joker and Heath!Joker, every word of it.
Third, I'm not gonna get into the Jack vs. Heath arguement. Far as I'm concerned, it's apples and oranges. You might as well be adding Caesar Romero to the arguement for how different they all are.
Y'know, for a few moments for before the movie started last night, I had the tiniest doubt that all the accolades, all the praise, EVERYTHING I've heard from critic and fan alike would tint my own views of the film, or have something disappoint me. 8 minutes into the movie, I mentally smacked myself for the thought and grinned.
God, that was the most enjoyable, intense and fulfilling 2.5 hours I've had in years. Not for one second was I bored, or had the inkling as to what would happen next (Joker's 'little experiment' near the end was a highlight of that fact). I cried at the last 10-13 minutes of the film, and I know of one guy among our group that did the same. The emotion was so damn HONEST, and the monologue/narration at the very end was brilliant.
And anyone who says this movie was 30 minutes too long is INSANE; there are several points where the movie could've ended, yes. But there was more than one story that needed ending in TDK, and with the true end, came a whole new beginning. It needed that final chapter, or else it might've felt like the ending of Batman & Robin or something; it would've been to….neat, I guess. Am I making sense here, or rambling for my own sake? XD
I'll be seeing this again with my sister before month's end. I'd be willing to bet the film hits $200 millon in box office before the weekend is over. I KNOW it'll beat out Spiderman 3's opening weekend of $151 million.
...How the hell are they gonna top this? Who's gonna be brave enough to be the film's Bat-villian after Heath's performance? If it'll take ANOTHER 3 years for the next film, will fan's be able to take the suspense/excitement without having strokes? (I dunno if I could)
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Nicolson's Joker was one of the worst things ever. He was not the Joker. He acted more like Elton John than the Joker. The only reason I can see people liking Jack and that performance is Nostalgia. It and the movies that followed were terrible adaptations of Batman. The movies up till "Batman Begins" were all taking way too much from that god awful sixties show, and not enough from the comic books. "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight" are fantastic movies in spite of being Batman movies.
You sir, have bad taste.
Your failure here is that you can't seem to understand analysis, Mr. Ebert.
I understand analysis, and yours was a bad one.
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uh, this joker fight is annoying. They all have their good and bad points. this joker was good, but everyone's making him out to be a freaking god. it's just a movie.
anyways, I went and seen it this morning. good movie. Someone said no batman can play both batman and bruce wayne well. I thought this one did ok. Though, when batman talked, i hated his deep monsterous wisper. Just sounded so forsed to me.
and the comment I made earlier about, "what about batman" well, this movie was more about the joker….
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! 2 face was rushed, as was stated. i think it would have worked better if he was introduced at the end of the movie, to wreak havoc in the next. or introduce him a little earlier.
! um, what happened to scarecrow?
! ooh, and my favorite part was gordon's speech at the very end. ^^ That was onspiring. Oh ya, and I knew he didn't die. hee. -
im on vacation right now, thats why i havent been on all week. But i had to after seeing his movie i had to say 10/10 for me
one of the best movies ive ever seen
ok peace
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You seem like you need more.
I have enough I come here all the time don't I?
You might as well be adding Caesar Romero to the arguement for how different they all are.
Hopefully no one will.
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No use comparing Jokers, Nicks Joker was great for his era, and heath's Joker is good for this Era. Who ever you thing is better hey, thats your opinion, but I do know one thing, The Dark knight takes sit downs on all the other superhero movies, I'm looking at you spider man 1,2,3, Hulk, and Iron man(Even tho Mr Jr performance of stark does out do Bales grunting batman, on some many levels,) Marvel needs to step up there movie game.
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Not really almost all of their movie adaptations rake in the dough even the spotty ones like X-Men.
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@Sandai:
Not really almost all of their movie adaptations rake in the dough even the spotty ones like X-Men.
I'm not really talking about cash, (we will be discussion that soon tho) I'm just talking about story telling, action, just over all quality.
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I'm not really talking about cash, (we will be discussion that soon tho) I'm just talking about story telling, action, just over all quality.
Kind of amusing that two guys with MGS avatars are talking about the X-Men movie when the screenwriter for those is none other than David Hayter, no?
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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Marvel needs to step up there movie game.
I agree that the gauntlet has been thrown down, but the Marvel movies this summer have been top notch, as well as Spider-Man 1 & 2.
As soon as DC churns out movies from their second tier that has been as good as The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man, then we can say that Marvel needs to kick it up a notch.
Heath Ledger's Joker was a force of nature that we rarely see in film, similar to a Anton Chigurh or Hannibal Lecter. I'd like to see the Joker be portrayed again in this Nolan-led series, just not featured in the next movie. Call me optimistic, but I think that another talented young actor could turn in a performance like this one, because the character of the Joker is so rich and I have absolute faith that Christopher Nolan won't fuck up.
If they do a third Batman movie, it'll be interesting to see who becomes the main villain. I think they could easily pull off The Riddler, Catwoman, and the Penguin (especially since all the mob bosses have been killed off, leaving a huge vacuum in Gotham's underworld) in this gritty environment.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
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@Fire Fist:
Kind of amusing that two guys with MGS avatars are talking about the X-Men movie when the screenwriter for those is none other than David Hayter, no?
That I didn't know
I agree that the gauntlet has been thrown down, but the Marvel movies this summer have been top notch, as well as Spider-Man 1 & 2.
As soon as DC churns out movies from their second tier that has been as good as The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man, then we can say that Marvel needs to kick it up a notch.
As much as you may hate it you have to count Spider-Man 3. Also here's here's hoping the next Superman movie is better than the last.
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Nolan said that in the future they want to stay away from villains who've already been portrayed in the movies. I'd like to see a good (read: not Arnold) portrayal of Mr. Freeze, but I think he's a bit too gimmicky.
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Nolan said that in the future they want to stay away from villains who've already been portrayed in the movies. I'd like to see a good (read: not Arnold) portrayal of Mr. Freeze, but I think he's a bit too gimmicky.
Aren't almost all of Batman's Rogue gallery gimmicky?
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Some moreso than others. In terms of gimmickiness, guys like Mr. Freeze and Firefly beat out Killer Croc and that guy who carves a tally into his own skin whenever he kills someone by a mile.
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I agree that the gauntlet has been thrown down, but the Marvel movies this summer have been top notch, as well as Spider-Man 1 & 2.
As soon as DC churns out movies from their second tier that has been as good as The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man, then we can say that Marvel needs to kick it up a notch.
Regardless of how much money they each have made, I think Iron man > all the Spider man movies and Hulk, it was just more entertaining and alot of things flowed, not everything tho. In my eyes its not really about what tier or class of popularity each hero has, Like Superman and Batman are DC big A list tier hero's, and the Question is a no name hero to the average non comic book reader, which I guess makes the question tier 0, but a "The Question" movie can bring in some cash along with growing his fan base, if the movie gets the right attention, good witting/story telling, action, drama etc etc. its mainly about how good the movie is made, sure comic book popularity helps but not most of the time.
Some moreso than others. In terms of gimmickiness, guys like Mr. Freeze and Firefly beat out Killer Croc and that guy who carves a tally into his own skin whenever he kills someone by a mile.
In terms of better, Killer Croc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Firefly.
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well if we're all gonna throw down opinions on other super hero movies, I gotta say I still like spiderman the best. But I've always loved spiderman. he's just my kinda guy. though, batman begins was really really good too.
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There's definitely some villians that would adapt better to the Nolan-verse than others. Folks like Poison Ivy & Mr. Freeze might be pretty rough to bring to the level of 'reality' the movies have managed so far. The best I can think of is have Ivy focused more on the 'poisons/manipulation' factor and less on the plant-control, but I've got nothing for Freeze.
And as much as I'd like to see Nolan's version of Catwoman, there's a few others that I think might be very interesting, and fit well into the movies:
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Clayface – A washed-up/disgraced actor; it'd be easy to lose the 'clay-monster' part, and simply make him a master of disguise, using his ability to gain control over the city through whatever means he wants (City Hall, Gotham P.D., who knows?)
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Ventriloqist & Scarface -- If Nolan could work his magic on Scarecrow (on his first film, no less) I'd love to see what he can do with these two. It'd also be a good way to show Batman's less...stoic side(?) trying to talk Arnold into getting help.
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Mad Hatter -- The mind-control aspect of him is appealing to me, but I'm worried that after TDK, he might be considered a watered-down Joker (which he isn't). It'd work well with Lucius Fox being in the movies though, not to mention a connection to Barbara Gordon, and a former comic storyline of him controlling most of Gotham P.D.
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Taleran, excellent comparison. I read The Killing Joke the night before to get excited about the movie, and it popped in my mind a few times. Right down to The Joker giving out different backstories (yeah it was done twice, but still).
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Jack Nicholson's Joker is superior, I just told and showed you.
You were kind of a faggot in your old account, and still as much as one in this newer one.
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I was very pleased with the movie. They did an excellent job with it. Really. They actually did their work during those three years since the last movie and thought it out. Excellent. I would have wanted to see more of Two-Face, but he looked great. Joker was freaking awesome, holding the entire city, civilians, cops, crooks and all in the palm of his hand.
I have no idea about any future movies. This one WILL get it's money, no doubt about that. But for a third movie? Well, I don't know. They did try to do this in a realistic way as some have said so doing Clayface would be very hard. Also adding that they really like using real effects instead of CGI would complicate that. He was one of my favorite villains in the Animated series so I would love that.
Anyway, it was great. Can't wait to see it again.
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ooh, scar face would be awsome to see.
and speaking of CGI. they did scarface's face with it, didn't they? I don't think that could have been done any other way. specially at some of the angles, where you "should" have been able to see more of his face, if not disfigured.
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ooh, scar face would be awsome to see.
and speaking of CGI. they did scarface's face with it, didn't they? I don't think that could have been done any other way. specially at some of the angles, where you "should" have been able to see more of his face, if not disfigured.
I think you mean Two-Face
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@Sandai:
It's an honest question.
cuz he's right.
why can't they make a third? o_O
No no no, you guys misunderstood why I asked the question. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it on a 3rd Batman movie, I'm just asking why Sandai pulls that kinda crap all the time in threads, but I guess I've already figured it out.
This movie was fan~tab~u~lous! I loved this Joker, Heath hit him spot on. It was the little things he did that really got me amused. I could hardly sit still 'cause I was very pleased with this Joker.
I laughed when Joker got out of the truck and tripped and shot off the gun at the same time xD
! Joker and the pencil trick gave me a good laugh, while the rest of the theatre seemed to not find it funny. You gotta admit, that was prety BA.
! And Joker's whole plot of how he wanted to corrupt Batman, Gordon, and Dent was genius (succeeding only with Dent).
! Two-face was a bit rushed, and I didn't want them killing him off in the end, even though I guess it's better that way. I just wish he was set up as the villian in the next film, sorta like they set up that the Joker would be for this film in Batman Begins, with that Joker card and all.Boy, what a great movie to end my summer '08 movie line-up.
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Well read em and weep.
http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/20080720/121658682000.html
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TDK was fantastic. I loved the whole thing though the Joker was the best part for me.
@Mr.:
! Joker and the pencil trick gave me a good laugh, while the rest of the theatre seemed to not find it funny. You gotta admit, that was prety BA.
! Two-face was a bit rushed, and I didn't want them killing him off in the end, even though I guess it's better that way. I just wish he was set up as the villian in the next film, sorta like they set up that the Joker would be for this film in Batman Begins, with that Joker card and all.see for me everyone started cheering with the pencil thing. Since it was kinda the real first "oh!" moment and all.
! Maybe I'm just making things up but I swear they almost set the third more up for two face by "killing" him. I mean, he fell off a building which really didn't seem like the grand death he deserved. We'll have to see what happens next but I'm betting on him at least showing up in the next movie if he isn't the mastermind.
I would love to see Catwoman next movie with how Dark Knight ended and with what situation Batman is in. Poison Ivy would work well for that space too but I can't see her working in this franchise. Unfortunetly, I think neither of them could stand alone so there would have to be another villain which I'm drawing a blank as to who it could be.
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I just watched Batman Begins again. Great movie. Better than I remembered. I can't wait for the next… Wednesday. That's 23th, right?
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@Sandai:
Well read em and weep.
http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/20080720/121658682000.html
Wow. Someone somewhere is swimming in a pool of money.
Did anyone see this in Imax?
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@Sandai:
Well read em and weep.
http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/20080720/121658682000.html
Didn't I tell you we would be discussion the lettuces soon. =P
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^What's your take on it?
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"Its not who i am, but what i dooooooo that compels me" -Batman ~Batman Begins
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