that in the end OP will change in some action-series like DBZ and only Luffy and Zoro will become stronger and the rest will end up as cheerleaders or fighting some crappy fights like it was in DBZ was the case that only the Saiyans fought the big timers and other major character as Piccolo stays on the side?
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Will OP become like DBZ
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no i doubt it, and if they did a lot of people would complain, especially sanji lovers.
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I doubt it.
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Since last night, I'm convinced the One Piece story is following the same exact formula of DBZ (FF Ace…). So, eventually, we'll all wind up in space eating magic beans with over exaggerated fight sequences.
Besides, the other characters fights are usually retarded anyway. I usually care only for Luffy's, because Nami's are always so slow and retarded, Usopp... well.... never really fights, and when he does, they just kick the shit out of Usopp and then he comes back with some super technique. Sanji's fights, I'll admit, move fairly quick, but I'm barely interested. Zoro's fights are all evenly matched/getting beaten until he pulls out some trick (Lion's Song, Pound Cannon, Asura), and wins.
The only fights worth watching anyway in my opinion are Luffy's and Choppers, and Chopper barely fights at all.
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nah. theres always sanji who is refered to as one of the three freaks(luffy+zoro+sanji) by nami and usopp. They always say those three cant lose to anyone.
also with the new addition of franky who seemed to fight on par with luffy during their little duel. of course franky did have the element of suprise of being a cyborg but he is still strong.
there is also robin and her amazing DF power
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Nah, every Straw Hat has been in at least 1 battle.. Robin and Franky had only 1 or two, thats it, while the rest had many more.
Nah, Ogda likes the distribution
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Yeah I hope as fanboy that Sanji will still on pair ith Zoro and Luffy and fpr Franky… He is strong but I think he is a bit below the other three for now... but maybe he will get stronger on pait with Sanji and Zoro and Luffy will go ahead
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Every other manga is compared to DBZ. OP, Naruto…etc. I don't think (OP and Naruto) will go the DBZ way. Oda (and Kishi) is too smart just to copy.
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Can someone please name a subject for this thread?
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I think the character-popularity polls prove it:
People love the depth and range of characters in One Piece. We got emotionally attached to a –-(spoiler for 430)---, for Oda's sake!
Moreover, it's a match game. If you don't have a Sanji, there's little reason to develop a Jyabura, Bon Kurei, or Kuroobi.
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Subject, "Will OP be like DBZ?"?
anyway, I think op will never become that, especially for those people who say "i hate so and so's fights" cause I think OP is never about the fights, it's about the ends. If Luffy could have avoided fighting Lucci he would have. Nami got Kumadori's key, and Chopper probably would not have faught him if he didn't have to. Even Sanji told Usopp, it's not doing what's there, you should do what other people can't, and others can do what you can't. If Franky did not head on to save Robin, then Luffy would not have been able to fight Lucci without worry.
As such, I doubt any character will ever be useless. I can live without the cool fights, I like watching the characters react together much better.
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Oh, but it has:
1. Hero introduced ( Son Goku, Luffy)
2. Hero #2 introduced (Son Gohan, Zoro)
3. Son of former opponent/acquaintance turns good (Piccolo, Usopp)
4. Random generic characters join (Tienshinhan/Yamcha/Chaiozu, Nami/Sanji/Chopper)
5. Villian owns everyone but main hero (Nappa, Arlong)
6. Hero #1 owns said bad guy.
5. 3rd main character introduced as bad guy (Vegeta, Robin)
6. Main character's boss has a whole crapload of badguys, including an elite squad (Ginyu Squad, Officer Agents).
7. Hero, Hero #2, Hero #3 (still bad guy) and Hero #3's boss proceed to own everyone; Boss owns his men who failed him.
8. Hero #3 attempts to betray/defeat his boss, gets owned. (Vegeta/Frieza, Robin/Crocodile)
9. Main Hero owns Hero #3's boss with some new power move (Super Saiyan, Gomu Gomu no Storm)
10. Hero #3 joins by default. (Vegeta, Robin)
And you know the rest.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fire Fist:
Oh, but it has:
1. Hero introduced ( Son Goku, Luffy)
2. Hero #2 introduced (Son Gohan, Zoro)
3. Son of former opponent/acquaintance turns good (Piccolo, Usopp)
4. Random generic characters join (Tienshinhan/Yamcha/Chaiozu, Nami/Sanji/Chopper)
5. Villian owns everyone but main hero (Nappa, Arlong)
6. Hero #1 owns said bad guy.
5. 3rd main character introduced as bad guy (Vegeta, Robin)
6. Main character's boss has a whole crapload of badguys, including an elite squad (Ginyu Squad, Officer Agents).
7. Hero, Hero #2, Hero #3 (still bad guy) and Hero #3's boss proceed to own everyone; Boss owns his men who failed him.
8. Hero #3 attempts to betray/defeat his boss, gets owned. (Vegeta/Frieza, Robin/Crocodile)
9. Main Hero owns Hero #3's boss with some new power move (Super Saiyan, Gomu Gomu no Storm)
10. Hero #3 joins by default. (Vegeta, Robin)
And you know the rest.
I agree!!!
Not too mention that Nami, Ussop have ALWAYS fought the CRAPPY villains just like a Tien or Kurrin!!! One Piece is already like Dragonball. Oda was inspired by Akira Toriyma's work for God sakes.
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…Good lord, if you use such loose generalizations and comparisons, then everything is Dragonball.
Hell, Kinnikuman probably follows that pattern much better than One Piece. OMG YUDETAMAGO TRAVELLED INTO THE FUTURE AND RIPPED OFF OF TORIYAMA TO MAKE KINNIKUMAN.
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They did change the action genre for manga and anime!!!
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Its a fighting shounen they're all bound to have similarities but can any 1 show truly be that much like another?
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Serioiusly speaking, how many other manga, western comic books, and even western novels also possess many if not all of those same qualities? That's not being like DBZ, that's just moving the story along.
The key isn't doing things differently, it's doing things your own way. Oda does that more than any other writer I know. If it bears some similarities to other stuff, so what? It's still oda's style and nobody else's.
Finally, a point to consider: We're apporaching volume 45 of the One Piece manga. Dragon Ball only lasted 42, and began to get repetitive about the late teens/early twenties (which is when the Piccolo Jr./Saiyan stuff started). One Piece has surpassed Dragon Ball in length, even more so if you start at the piont arcs began becoming repetitive.
All this time without being "like DBZ", I think we'll be okay.
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@Fire Fist:
Oh, but it has:
1. Hero introduced ( Son Goku, Luffy)
2. Hero #2 introduced (Son Gohan, Zoro)
3. Son of former opponent/acquaintance turns good (Piccolo, Usopp)
4. Random generic characters join (Tienshinhan/Yamcha/Chaiozu, Nami/Sanji/Chopper)
5. Villian owns everyone but main hero (Nappa, Arlong)
6. Hero #1 owns said bad guy.
5. 3rd main character introduced as bad guy (Vegeta, Robin)
6. Main character's boss has a whole crapload of badguys, including an elite squad (Ginyu Squad, Officer Agents).
7. Hero, Hero #2, Hero #3 (still bad guy) and Hero #3's boss proceed to own everyone; Boss owns his men who failed him.
8. Hero #3 attempts to betray/defeat his boss, gets owned. (Vegeta/Frieza, Robin/Crocodile)
9. Main Hero owns Hero #3's boss with some new power move (Super Saiyan, Gomu Gomu no Storm)
10. Hero #3 joins by default. (Vegeta, Robin)
And you know the rest.
dude, almost all the fighting shows i have seen follows that pattern in some way or another. Some examples that come to mind are Bleach, Naruto, Yu Yu Hakusho, Hunter X Hunter, etc. These are generic situations that happen because basically as similar it may be they are situations that Readers will always end up liking. so will OP become like DBZ, if u look at it in that aspect its already been like DBZ since the beginning of the show. But, there are also sooo many differences that still exist, and I am positive Oda has no plans on changing them or getting rid of them unless he knows it will make the story better.
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Since none of the characters in OP are obsessed with fighting to the point of putting the lives of their comrades in danger, I'd say no.
For one thing, Dragonball turned into a fighting frenzy pretty early on. The 21st Tenka'ichi Budokai (the 2nd story arc) set the tone for most of the rest of the story: the heroes train and then fight some powerful enemies. The Red Ribbon Army Saga (3rd story arc) really brought this home with Tao Pai Pai and Uranai Baba. All of this occurred before what is typically referred to as DBZ.
One Piece, by comparison, has stayed fairly true to its romance roots. There's plenty of fights, but there's plenty of chase scenes and victory celebrations and mysteries to be unravelled, too. Moreover, the scenery in OP is often breathtaking: Skypeia, Water 7, Enies Lobby. Dragonball had Karin's Tower and..no, that was about it really. Kami's Sanctuary really wasn't all that impressive to me. Even the palace of the King of the World was kind of mediocre.
After a span of about ten years, one couldn't help but feel that DB had done everything it could as a series. Son Goku and Vegeta couldn't become more powerful than they already were without the story involving multiple star systems–it had already planet-hopped several times in the final story arc. Moreover, it would be hard to top Buu as a villain. Anything that powerful could make claims to godhood on several planets, and could easily topple Kai Ou from his position as supreme lord over the Northern Galaxy. After about ten years, Luffy and Zoro can and probably will get stronger. As powerful as Lucci was, I can see him being surpassed in terms of power, toughness, or even strength.
I'm like Hisotensoku: Not here to preserve peace, nor to destroy it. I certainly can't move mountains. Mostly, I'm just full of hot air.- Meh
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All I'm pointing out is that the basic story structure is the same. 3 Heroes, one a former bad guy that worked for a major opponent of the main hero.
But there are many differences between One Piece and DBZ. No one in One Piece can be fly; by the beginning of Z / end of DB, Sky Dance allowed the Z fighters to travel anywhere in the world; we're actually following a set course in One Piece to reach a destination (Raftel). The method for travelling there is using a device that sets at each island (requiring a set course to be taken). There are events occurring elsewhere in the world while this story is taking place (something unheard of in most older manga; look at Hokuto no Ken, DBZ, and Yu Yu Hakusho).
It's a different story. The only thing that's the same is the very rough outline.
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Yeah, but such an outline is so general that it can be applied to several different series, even those predating both series.
Hell, it can even be attributed to a lot of non-japanese stuff.
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@Fire Fist:
Oh, but it has:
1. Hero introduced ( Son Goku, Luffy)
2. Hero #2 introduced (Son Gohan, Zoro)
3. Son of former opponent/acquaintance turns good (Piccolo, Usopp)
4. Random generic characters join (Tienshinhan/Yamcha/Chaiozu, Nami/Sanji/Chopper)
5. Villian owns everyone but main hero (Nappa, Arlong)
6. Hero #1 owns said bad guy.
5. 3rd main character introduced as bad guy (Vegeta, Robin)
6. Main character's boss has a whole crapload of badguys, including an elite squad (Ginyu Squad, Officer Agents).
7. Hero, Hero #2, Hero #3 (still bad guy) and Hero #3's boss proceed to own everyone; Boss owns his men who failed him.
8. Hero #3 attempts to betray/defeat his boss, gets owned. (Vegeta/Frieza, Robin/Crocodile)
9. Main Hero owns Hero #3's boss with some new power move (Super Saiyan, Gomu Gomu no Storm)
10. Hero #3 joins by default. (Vegeta, Robin)
And you know the rest.
Dude this works for A LOT Shonen manga, and it's basically a typical Adventure and fighting manga scheme.
I think One Piece will never become like DBZ at all. However I think one factor in the fights is becoming a little ridiculous. Of course I'm talking about speed. There are only so many ways to illustrate speed in the manga format, and Dragonball pushed those techniques (and indeed most drawing techniques for fighting in manga) to a whole new level, such that all shonen fighting mangas have adopted similar techniques. I'm talking about the ALMOST teleportation style of drawing speed: Goku kicks Cell towards the ground and flies/teleports at great speeds to kick him again before he hits the ground. All of this looks basically like he teleported to where he kicks Cell. Oda basically does the same thing with Soru. Kishimoto (Naruto) has been doing that from the start of Naruto, and Kubo (Bleach) does this all the time except Ichigo's bankai has an extra shadow/cape effect. The list of mangas go on forever.
I guess what I'm saying is that with the exception of the energy balls and the spirit bombs, the fights in One Piece will most likely get closer and closer to DBZ, and frankly it's a damb shame because Oda has always managed to keep his fights VERY unique. The Ace vs BB fight was very cool, but I can't help being reminded of DBZ when I see Ace's energy/flame beams and the ominous aura of dark power surrounding BB. As the enemies in One Piece get stronger, we will only see more of these types of fights.
Like the list that FireFistAce mentions, these types of fights are ubiquitous in Shonen mangas as well. I've already mentioned two other popular mangas, but for me One Piece is and has been waaay more unique and waaay less generic. All the of the fights so far has involved bizarre and original designs thanks to Oda's brilliant mind. I only hope that this continues…
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@Cap'n:
Yeah, but such an outline is so general that it can be applied to several different series, even those predating both series.
Hell, it can even be attributed to a lot of non-japanese stuff.
Indeed, if you cast a wide enough net, you could easily catch an entire ocean. I think the most amusing one is the way he cobbled together a scenario where Piccolo and Usopp fall into the same category.
One of them is the son of a thoroughly malicious villain, who was featured during an entire arc of the series and ended his role in the series by introducing his son with the wish that his loss to the hero will be avenged. The son follows in his father's footsteps by becoming a villain of an arc, but winds up heroically redeeming himself years down the road despite his hatred.
The other is the son of a friendly background character that gave no hints that he had a son and that only had two or three lines of dialogue during his initial appearance and hasn't had much more than a page's worth of dialogue in all of his appearances combined. The son has similiar skills as his father, vaguely looks like him, and immediately becomes great friends with the hero.
My god, without the names, it's impossible to tell them apart just by that description!
Complicating things since 2009.
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Indeed, if you cast a wide enough net, you could easily catch an entire ocean. I think the most amusing one is the way he cobbled together a scenario where Piccolo and Usopp fall into the same category.
Yeah, what the hell kind of catagory is "son of former opponent/acquaintance"? That's pretty much saying "ANYONE WHO IS A SON."
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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So long as the series ends with either Luffy dying the same way Roger did/ a complete repeat of Shanks and Luffy's past, only with Luffy, I honestly could care less how much like DBZ One Piece is.
Besides, tons of Manga follow the DBZ formula, already.
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@Cap'n:
Yeah, what the hell kind of catagory is "son of former opponent/acquaintance"? That's pretty much saying "ANYONE WHO IS A SON."
"Anyone who is a son or had a parent, parents, or a reasonable facsimile thereof at any point in their past."
I dread to think what that "And you know the rest" entails as far categories that didn't make the list if that one did.
11. A character eats food at some point in the storyline (Yajirobe, Ener).
12. A person with facial hair is introduced (Farmer with a Shotgun, Marshall D. Teach).
12. A female person is introduced (Ranfan, Kokoro).
13. A character can be connected, in some fashion or other, with the Communist Party (Owl with a Mao hat, Kohza).And so on.
1. Hero introduced ( Son Goku, Luffy)
This one amuses me no end as I can't think of any series that doesn't introduce a hero or, at the very least a protagonist.
I give credit to "Fire Fist Ace" for proving conclusively that One Piece has turned into Mary Worth because they both introduced a main character at some point.
Complicating things since 2009.
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"Anyone who is a son or had a parent, parents, or a reasonable facsimile thereof at any point in their past."
I dread to think what that "And you know the rest" entails as far categories that didn't make the list if that one did.
11. A character eats food at some point in the storyline (Yajirobe, Ener).
12. A person with facial hair is introduced (Farmer with a Shotgun, Marshall D. Teach).
12. A female person is introduced (Ranfan, Kokoro).
13. A character can be connected, in some fashion or other, with the Communist Party (Owl with a Mao hat, Kohza).And so on.
This one amuses me no end as I can't think of any series that doesn't introduce a hero or, at the very least a protagonist.
I give credit to "Fire Fist Ace" for proving conclusively that One Piece has turned into Mary Worth because they both introduced a main character at some point.
Okay, okay, I get the point. But honestly, Except for the fact that Robin didn't kick the crud out of Luffy and Zoro, it almost exactly follows the Saiyan and Frieza Sagas of DBZ, even with Luffy somehow getting stronger after getting his ass kicked, like Vegeta did. And unlike going to a specific area in the Grand Line, they specifically spend a great portion of the arc travelling in a specific country. The whole reason they went to Namek was to get the Dragon Balls there, not help save the universe from Frieza. Coincidentally, the only reason they were deviating from their normal course was to help their friends, saving the country was just something they happened. Crocodile was defeated because he became part of the problem to helping their friends. If Frieza had never come to Namek and Crocodile had not been directly threatening a friend of Luffy's, then neither would have been defeated.
And not all stories introduce the hero at the beginning. Many times, the narration comes through a friend of the main character, or simply someone who knew him.
And I can think of one book off the top of my head that had no hero: Of Mice and Men. Granted, George was the main character, but did shooting Lenny make him a hero? I don't think so.
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It's the same, because of character types and the road they follow. Also the characteristics are quite similar.
But what isn't similar, so far, is overpowering (which may become a problem) and plot build-up. Oda hasn't thrown the main characters (besides SH… I mean BB, WB etc) forward... he's mainly kept them in the background and created ANOTHER plot (Blackbeard and his journey)... DBZ never had that. That is quite a big difference.
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I think that question about OP becoming one day like DBZ is out of purpose…
OK it's a shonen but hey, DBZ was NEVER funny, it was just about fighting and fighting and so on... There was no character development, except for more ways to kick the "evil man who is far more powerful than the last one".
People like me who enjoyed so much dragon ball (up to sayajin arc) were soooo disappointed : no more kame sennin, no more kuririn, ten chin an and yamcha ??? Lame I think.
OP is a rich world with plenty of aspects, mysteries and its own world which is waaaay beyond shonen genre. I think the secret behind is that Oda is actually enjoying himself creating OP, which was not Toriyama's case in DBZ (after Freezer I must say...)
One more thing : Oda created a world before a main character, and IMO it's a GREAT recipe for a comic book...
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I think the biggest problem regarding DB which OP is avoiding is the abandonment of plot and adventure for mostly reasons to fight. The first arc of DB was pretty much similar to how OP has always been: character interactions, adventure, exotic locals, and a few fights here and there. The Red Ribbon arc is more of a balance of the fights and the adventure, but by Piccolo and beyond, its all just fights and setup for fights. While many shonen more take the later model of Toriyama's work (most of Naruto takes place around Konoha and involves fighting, most of Bleach's battles take place around one or two places), OP more takes the earlier DB model, keeping the interaction and the adventure with the fights as an attraction on the way.
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Why does Gear 2 bring out the worst in people?
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that in the end OP will change in some action-series like DBZ and only Luffy and Zoro will become stronger and the rest will end up as cheerleaders or fighting some crappy fights like it was in DBZ was the case that only the Saiyans fought the big timers and other major character as Piccolo stays on the side?
No way it wont become 100% like it, but EVERYTHING is affected by dragonball z, even video games. so there will be some similarites
@_Luffy_:
no i doubt it, and if they did a lot of people would complain, especially sanji lovers.
I take offense to that lol, (Honetsly dont why people like zoro fight they are only ok)
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Nah. Unlike Toriyama Oda isn't being forced to work and prolong one piece
he's enjoying it, sides I think most of the DB references and similarities are just homages to his favorite series
俺のなかまを守る為に、俺はもっと強くなる！！
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It's only a matter of time before the OP World blows up XD.
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@Fire Fist:
Oh, but it has:
1. Hero introduced ( Son Goku, Luffy)
2. Hero #2 introduced (Son Gohan, Zoro)
3. Son of former opponent/acquaintance turns good (Piccolo, Usopp)
4. Random generic characters join (Tienshinhan/Yamcha/Chaiozu, Nami/Sanji/Chopper)
5. Villian owns everyone but main hero (Nappa, Arlong)
6. Hero #1 owns said bad guy.
5. 3rd main character introduced as bad guy (Vegeta, Robin)
6. Main character's boss has a whole crapload of badguys, including an elite squad (Ginyu Squad, Officer Agents).
7. Hero, Hero #2, Hero #3 (still bad guy) and Hero #3's boss proceed to own everyone; Boss owns his men who failed him.
8. Hero #3 attempts to betray/defeat his boss, gets owned. (Vegeta/Frieza, Robin/Crocodile)
9. Main Hero owns Hero #3's boss with some new power move (Super Saiyan, Gomu Gomu no Storm)
10. Hero #3 joins by default. (Vegeta, Robin)
And you know the rest.
Impressive
DBZ and OP are pretty similar mostly characters and enviroments change but in the end it's just how you explained it. But it's not only OP, there are many mangas following DBZ's story and style.
You can't blame them though, DBZ has set the bar their just keeping up with the times.
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Nah. Unlike Toriyama Oda isn't being forced to work and prolong one piece
he's enjoying it, sides I think most of the DB references and similarities are just homages to his favorite seriesyeah thats more what its like.
i know anything i make will have some one piece homages in it
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So everyone saying that this is such a general outline, name 5 series that follow and igve their examples. I mean, you people are saying that it is SO general that it must be as easy as disagreeing with FF Ace. Personally, I can't do it, so I see his listing aside from point number 1 which was funny so it's cool as valid.
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If OP becomes like DBZ, I will run into the same wall over and over until I beat all knowledge of the event out of my mind/
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@Impel:
If OP becomes like DBZ, I will run into the same wall over and over until I beat all knowledge of the event out of my mind/
Yeah, you really don't know your shonen manga, do you? While Hokuto no Ken started it all, DBZ was a big inspiration for a lot of manga/anime. Hell, even the character designs are the EXACT SAME as DBZ.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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I hate when people say that OP isn't going to be like DBZ, because DBZ ended up crap. I don't think DBZ ended up "crap"… just not as good as it started.
One Piece has gear 2 AND 3... only half way through the series... that could be called a bad move by Oda. Because once gear 2 and 3 are finally no longer useful to opponants, Oda may have to think of something else, thus a new list of transformations begin. That is very possible.
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it might just be me but i wreckon one piece is not just soooo diffrent from DBZ but it is much better than it as well. pluss in dbz all they goal was too save planet earth in one piece they all got a goal each as the main one is one piece and luffy onhis way to find one piece makes it that damn good
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As long One Piece doesn't get: "OMG they can blow up three sun sistems with the pinky finger" I'm okay with it being a little similliar to Dragonball, Toriyama had a big influence on Oda's work afterall.
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@Fire Fist:
Oh, but it has:
1. Hero introduced ( Son Goku, Luffy)
2. Hero #2 introduced (Son Gohan, Zoro)
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How is Son Gohan hero #2? Hero #2 would be Kuririn or Piccolo. Piccolo joined up just at the beginning of DBZ and Kuirin was with him during much of DB.
Kinda hard to not have a second hero if you have more than one.
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How is Son Gohan hero #2? Hero #2 would be Kuririn or Piccolo. Piccolo joined up just at the beginning of DBZ and Kuirin was with him during much of DB.
Kinda hard to not have a second hero if you have more than one.
Kuirin and Piccolo are not Hero#2, they just turned into useless punchbags before to long.
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We… that's nice to see that my first threat have already 3 pages... but my biggest point was... If the other charas will be only there to have some fun and cheerleading Luffy and Zoro, the two with the dream to become the strongest...
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How is Son Gohan hero #2? Hero #2 would be Kuririn or Piccolo. Piccolo joined up just at the beginning of DBZ and Kuirin was with him during much of DB.
Kinda hard to not have a second hero if you have more than one.
Uh, who beat Cell? It sure as hell wasn't Piccolo.
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In length, yes.
In the category of JUST fighting, no. One Piece is way better then that.
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Here, I'll show you something. I'll put Kinnikuman into this little outline of yours. I honestly believe that Kinnikuman fits in much better than One Piece, and it PRECEDED both series. Hell it started 6 years before Dragonball and finished 8 years before it as well.
1. Hero introduced ( Son Goku, Luffy)Kinnikuman, obviously.
2. Hero #2 introduced (Son Gohan, Zoro)
Terryman or Robin Mask fit this description pretty well. But because I like Robin better, I'll use him.
3. Son of former opponent/acquaintance turns good (Piccolo, Usopp)
Brocken Jr., son of the brutal Nazi choujin Brockenman, tried to exact his vengeance on Ramenman, but turned to the good side and became a major protagonist afterward. And he was the son of a former BAD PERSON so we don't need to grab for straws like with this "acquaintance" label.
4. Random generic characters join (Tienshinhan/Yamcha/Chaiozu, Nami/Sanji/Chopper)Wolfman, Geronimo, Terryman (if we don't fit him into the #2), Robin Mask (same), Ramenman.
5. Villian owns everyone but main hero (Nappa, Arlong)
Warsman, Robin Mask, Buffaloman, Akuma Shogun, Neptuneman/Big the Budou, Super Phoenix. This pretty much applies to every main villain in the series, and EVERY MAIN VILLAIN IN EVERY SHONEN SERIES EVER.
6. Hero #1 owns said bad guy.
Kinnikuman beat the hell out of all of these guys.
5. 3rd main character introduced as bad guy (Vegeta, Robin)
Buffaloman. Though Warsman could also fit into this category.
6. Main character's boss has a whole crapload of badguys, including an elite squad (Ginyu Squad, Officer Agents).
The Akuma Choujins. There's also the various teams comandeered by the Five Princes during the Royal Survival Tournament.
7. Hero, Hero #2, Hero #3 (still bad guy) and Hero #3's boss proceed to own everyone; Boss owns his men who failed him. Yeah, that's Akuma Shogun. Neptuneman/Big the Budou as well. Super Phoenix as well, if you go vague enough to consider the various Princes as being on his side.
8. Hero #3 attempts to betray/defeat his boss, gets owned. (Vegeta/Frieza, Robin/Crocodile)
Buffaloman, Buffaloman, Buffaloman. He appears as a second in Akuma Shogun's camp, and then reveals that he's on Kinnikuman's side after he defeats Ashuraman.
9. Main Hero owns Hero #3's boss with some new power move (Super Saiyan, Gomu Gomu no Storm)
What the hell is a "power move"? That's incredibly vague and can be applied to any finishing move ever. At any rate, Kinnikuman finishes developing his Kinniku Driver and uses it to destroy Akuma Shogun. This fits much better than Gomu Gomu no Storm since Kinnikuman had to train and seek out the desired technique; it didn't come out of nowhere.Kinnikuman's use of the Muscle Spark on Super Phoenix also very much fits into this category.
10. Hero #3 joins by default. (Vegeta, Robin)
Buffaloman became a main character from Akuma Shogun's defeat and on.
So there isn't some mysterious "Dragonball formula" that One Piece is mimicking. There is only a severely generalized list of plot points and plot progression, which ALMOST ANYTHING CAN FIT INTO.
the bigot who thinks being an asshole is actually worth shit
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We… that's nice to see that my first threat have already 3 pages… but my biggest point was... If the other charas will be only there to have some fun and cheerleading Luffy and Zoro, the two with the dream to become the strongest…
Yes, Goku uses Gear 3 to beat Super Lucci, and Franky is Android 13, One Piece sucks, let's all start watching Naurtard.
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:happy::blink:To Cosmic: No, there is none.
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1. Hero introduced ( Son Goku, Luffy)
2. Hero #2 introduced (Son Gohan, Zoro)
3. Son of former opponent/acquaintance turns good (Piccolo, Usopp)
4. Random generic characters join (Tienshinhan/Yamcha/Chaiozu, Nami/Sanji/Chopper)
5. Villian owns everyone but main hero (Nappa, Arlong)
6. Hero #1 owns said bad guy.
5. 3rd main character introduced as bad guy (Vegeta, Robin)
6. Main character's boss has a whole crapload of badguys, including an elite squad (Ginyu Squad, Officer Agents).
7. Hero, Hero #2, Hero #3 (still bad guy) and Hero #3's boss proceed to own everyone; Boss owns his men who failed him.
8. Hero #3 attempts to betray/defeat his boss, gets owned. (Vegeta/Frieza, Robin/Crocodile)9. Main Hero owns Hero #3's boss with some new power move (Super Saiyan, Gomu Gomu no Storm)
10. Hero #3 joins by default. (Vegeta, Robin)
the one shounen I don't see using all of these is Hunter X Hunter surprisingly
the forumla's may be the same but it all comes down to excecution / characters
