Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End

CP9_agent

I saw the movie today and I have to say its now my favorite of the trilogy. Everything was perfect. The great visuals, humor, storyline, the return of those two guards who argue with each other from the first movie (I missed them in Dead Man's Chest). I can see why people thought the storyline was confusing. It was in some cases but I felt it was easily overlooked.

As for a Fourth Movie I think its inevitable but if I were to write it only Jack would be back. This movie gave Elizabeth a little more of a point but honestly Will Turner always seemed well a filler character. Yes i know he had alot of points to play such as being the blood they needed in the first movie and all that but his character always seemed so unneeded and sorta boring. Even Elizabeth was sort of slow imo. I hope that Jack will get a new two main characters. Heck a solo adventure is fine with me. This film wrapped up this trilogy. Yet, as much as I want to see more let them take a few years off so we don't get too overfed with Captain Jack.

The Dude

Totally fucking awesome. The final battle was worth admission alone. That's how I envision the ending to OP.

Throes

@CP9_agent:

As for a Fourth Movie I think its inevitable but if I were to write it only Jack would be back.

A healthy dose of Barbossa wouldn't be bad either. But yeah, no Will or Elizabeth.

I hope that Jack will get a new two main characters. Heck a solo adventure is fine with me. This film wrapped up this trilogy. Yet, as much as I want to see more let them take a few years off so we don't get too overfed with Captain Jack.

I think they need to go more into the council, and more Captain Daddy Jack.

Traitor_Jim

I'm going to have to sit someone down and make them go over the whole movie's plot for me. Everything was everywhere, and there are A LOT of things they crammed into one movie.

But hell, I'll watch it again, because I think it's freakin epic. The final battle was the most entertaining thing I've seen lately.

BTW: someone told me to look out for Kuroobi. I looked and looked, but didn't see him ;3; (I feel dumb now… >__>)

CP9_agent

Yes Throes you are right. It actually took this movie to make me realize how awesome Barbossa was.

gaara d. lucci

So we're all in agreement, Barbossa owned this movie. A great character indeed, and a pirate in the truest sense. One of the best trilogies ever.

Hard to believe Davy Jones is CG, he looks so real and lifelike. I can't even tell he's not real.

Anime Master

I believe Kuroobi was one of the fishmen when Bootstrap was in the cell with Elizabeth. He sneered at her.

Throes

I liked Barbossa's character in the first movie best, mainly because he considered Jack's terms if Jack bought him a big hat.

Yoska

Remembering what exactly happened in the first two movies would help but it was okey I suppose. Let's say I give it a 7 (from 4 to 10). Lots of silly fun and action.

Finally people see the light. Barbossa owns.

shining knight

I believe Kuroobi was one of the fishmen when Bootstrap was in the cell with Elizabeth. He sneered at her.

Ah so thats what dragon warrior meant by a dub piece reference!

Ms. Suave Debonair

Good action, good CGI, good fighting but the plot, dear Lord.

I heard before hand that it would be intense so I tried to listen really hard and follow every word but I still got lost. The basics were there and would have been okay on their own but the fact it kept jumping around, Will, Elizabeth, Barbosa, E I Trading Co., Davy Jones. All around, it seemed to ruin it. We'd be in one place, then another, then this would be happening with two stories at once. They built it all up in the second film then realised it would all have to be resolved at the same time and crammed it all together.

The film is meant to be for all ages but I could hear kids around me going 'who's that?', 'why's he on the boat?', A girl in front of me was playing with her feet and eventually feel asleep, I could imagine if I were 10 years old I'd be feeling the same.

The biggest disappiontment was Davy Jones and the FD, all the parts that they bring to light that are missed in the second film was a let down. Why do they need to cut out Will's heart?

Also, the whole thing with Calypso also seemed very pointless and rushed but there we go.

The comedy and fight scenes redeemed the film but really it was a good sequel let down by rushed plots.

Traitor_Jim

@Anime:

I believe Kuroobi was one of the fishmen when Bootstrap was in the cell with Elizabeth. He sneered at her.

…....................... D'OH!!! ><

The Cryokinetic

Loved the movie, I've seen it four times already and by the end of the weekend four more times. But has anyone elese noticed how much foreshadowing there is in the first two. I found it to be kinda predictable. For example "Dead Mans Chest" Jack tells Elzibeth that since hes a captain he came perform marriage on the ship. Foreshadowing Barabosa marring Will and Elizbeth in "At Worlds End". The only thing I didn't see haping were the two Royal Guards joing Jacks crew and Jack the monkey being blown out a cannon. That was fucking awesome.

Throes

@shining:

Ah so thats what dragon warrior meant by a dub piece reference!

No, not at all. He was talking about Kuroobi's line, "I make a cameo in Pirates of the Caribbean 3!" It's Kuroobi's voice that makes the cameo. REMEMBER? It was the one guy

! at the pirate convention on Shipwreck Island.

Ubiq

@taboo:

! I don't remember anything about needing the box, do you have a quote? All I know was that the ship "needed a beating heart, otherwise there wouldn't be a capitan."

! I'll have to watch the film again, but I thought that there was a reference in there somewhere to the heart having to physically be in the box for this to work.
! At any rate, we have several references to the Dutchman needing a living heart and a captain. Considering that the Dead Man's Chest is covered with what is apparently Calypso's symbol, it's probably the magic in the box itself that keeps the heart alive in the first place.

! I believe it was after she betrayed him. Will even asked Jones which betrayl finally pushed him to cut it out.

! > IMDb has the exchange as follows:

Tia Dalma: A woman. He fell in love.
Gibbs: No, no, no, no. I heard it was the sea he fell in love with.
Tia Dalma: Same story, different versions and all are true. See it was a woman, as changing and harsh and untameable as the sea. Him never stopped loving her. But the pain had caused him was too much to live with, but not enough to cause him to die.
Will Turner: What exactly did he put into the chest?
Tia Dalma: Him heart.
Ragetti: Literally or figuratively?
Pintel: He couldn't literally put his heart in a chest.
[pause]
Pintel: Could he?
Tia Dalma: It was not worth feeling what small, fleeting joy life brings. And so him carved out him heart, lock it away in a chest and hide the chest from the world. The key, he keep with him at all times.
! So the implication is that he cut out his heart because of her, but it doesn't really say that it was specifically because she betrayed him.

Anime Master

I rewatched Dead Man's chest and noticed in Tia's hut there was a locket identical to Jones'. They foreshadowed it. Amazing.

taboo

@Ubiq:

! I'll have to watch the film again, but I thought that there was a reference in there somewhere to the heart having to physically be in the box for this to work.

! Then what about the times Jack and James removed the heart? Davy Jones didn't even notice that it wasn't in the box in the second movie.

! At any rate, we have several references to the Dutchman needing a living heart and a captain. Considering that the Dead Man's Chest is covered with what is apparently Calypso's symbol, it's probably the magic in the box itself that keeps the heart alive in the first place.

! Ah, but is that really her symbol, or just a trinket music thingy? And I don't remember if the box had the locket's symbol on it, or just a generic heart.

! > So the implication is that he cut out his heart because of her, but it doesn't really say that it was specifically because she betrayed him.
! See it was a woman, as changing and harsh and untameable as the sea. Him never stopped loving her. But the pain had caused him was too much to live with, but not enough to cause him to die.
! That implies that it was because she was so untameable… I don't know. I think I'd have to rewatch the movie again, but when he asked her why she wasn't there when he came back after 10 years, it was because "It's my nature."

The Dude

@The:

For example "Dead Mans Chest" Jack tells Elzibeth that since hes a captain he came perform marriage on the ship. Foreshadowing Barabosa marring Will and Elizbeth in "At Worlds End".

That's not really foreshadowing, any captain of a vessel can perform marriage.

Cap'n Carter

I most likely won't see it, but I have one question

! What big things does Barbossa do other than marry fag and generic heroine? I mean big things like shooting people, killing babies and whatnot, not stuff like "well herpaderp he leads them through the seas."
! And I couldn't find what he ends up doing at the end of the film. Just stuff about Will trapped on Dutchman and blah blah
! I'm asking because Barbossa was the only thing about the first movie I really enjoyed. I honestly thought it was an average movie; 5, maybe 6/10 at the most. But Barbossa was fucking awesome. I never bothered to see the second film and most likely never will. The third is very unlikely, but I might consider it.

Ubiq

@taboo:

! Then what about the times Jack and James removed the heart? Davy Jones didn't even notice that it wasn't in the box in the second movie.

! Jones is an eldritch creature to begin with though. Whether he cut out his heart when he first took over the Dutchman or after he was betrayed, he was still already in a position where it wouldn't kill him to do so. Will Turner was just a normal person and probably needed whatever magic that was in the chest to keep his heart alive.

! Ah, but is that really her symbol, or just a trinket music thingy? And I don't remember if the box had the locket's symbol on it, or just a generic heart.

! I'm pretty sure that the lock on the chest was the exact same symbol as both lockets. The lockets should predate his cutting out his own heart, so that presumably represents Calypso rather than the chthonian Davy.

! See it was a woman, as changing and harsh and untameable as the sea. Him never stopped loving her. But the pain had caused him was too much to live with, but not enough to cause him to die.
! That implies that it was because she was so untameable… I don't know. I think I'd have to rewatch the movie again, but when he asked her why she wasn't there when he came back after 10 years, it was because "It's my nature."

! The question here seems to be whether Davy Jones cut out his heart when he accepted the role as ferryman of the dead as that was the only way he could be close to her or because he was betrayed. The latter is what seems to be implied by the various references to betrayl, but the former makes more sense from what we actually saw happen and the references to the ship needing a heart.

@Cap'n:

! What big things does Barbossa do other than marry fag and generic heroine? I mean big things like shooting people, killing babies and whatnot, not stuff like "well herpaderp he leads them through the seas."

! The wedding sequence is one of the bigger scenes in the film for him actually as Barbossa is marrying them while singlehandedly fighting two or three of Davy Jones' fishmen, a similar number of East India Company soldiers, and sailing the Black Pearl directly into a maelstrom.
! He also makes a nice speech that basically amounted to telling the other Pirate Lords to get off their fat lazy asses and be actual pirates again.
! Really, I think his most amazing feat in the film is that Barbossa manages to go toe to toe with Jack Sparrow and never be outshone despite being much more low key and Jack intentionally trying to upstage him. Depp is normally and quite naturally the center of attention just by virtue of being onscreen, but Rush manages to keep at least half of the viewer's attention on him at all times.

Cr4zy

Just a question

! Did they just leave Elizabeth on a deserted island?

op74

The way I see the Davy thing is like this. Davy and Cal[sea goddesse] were in love and gave him the FD . The ship needing a living heart and he keep his in him. He spent 10 years ferrying the souls then went to see her but she did not show up. He got mad and cut it out, stopped ferry souls and when to the pirates to tell how to trap her in moral form . As long as the heart was off ship, he did not care for her but when it brought on ship, he started to remember what he did and I think that was the betrayl they were talking about. I could be wrong .

The Dude

Barbossa steals the show. I'm pretty sure he got more screen time than Jack.

taboo

! @Ubiq:
! > Jones is an eldritch creature to begin with though. Whether he cut out his heart when he first took over the Dutchman or after he was betrayed, he was still already in a position where it wouldn't kill him to do so. Will Turner was just a normal person and probably needed whatever magic that was in the chest to keep his heart alive.

I'm pretty sure that the lock on the chest was the exact same symbol as both lockets. The lockets should predate his cutting out his own heart, so that presumably represents Calypso rather than the chthonian Davy.
!
Hmm, I'm willing to say that the symbols are similar enough to be the same heart shaped crab~
! > The question here seems to be whether Davy Jones cut out his heart when he accepted the role as ferryman of the dead as that was the only way he could be close to her or because he was betrayed. The latter is what seems to be implied by the various references to betrayl, but the former makes more sense from what we actually saw happen and the references to the ship needing a heart.
! I really hope you don't mind my say so, but your aguments seem speculative at best. Or the result of bad storytelling. =I

Ubiq

@The:

Barbossa steals the show. I'm pretty sure he got more screen time than Jack.

Spread across the entire film, that's probably true, though he didn't ever get to dominate an entire scene like Jack did in the Locker.

You know, one thing that I wish they had included was a reference to Jack stealing Barbossa's ring in the second film.

@taboo:

! Hmm, I'm willing to say that the symbols are similar enough to be the same heart shaped crab~

! It sure does look like it at any rate. The chest also didn't revert to a different form after Jones died like the Dutchman and its crew. So I don't think it was something that he created or altered, but that came from Calypso.

! > I really hope you don't mind my say so, but your aguments seem speculative at best. Or the result of bad storytelling. =I
! >! Speculative? Yes.
! Bad storytelling? I dunno.
! I think the idea that he cut out his heart because he was betrayed was what we were supposed to come away with because that's what Tia Dalma wanted Jack and company to think, but wasn't actually true.
! More likely, he cut out his heart in the first place so that he could be with her once every ten years for eternity. Since she's immortal and he wasn't, a time would have to come where they would be parted. So he struck the deal to captain the Dutchman. When he came back after ten years, she was nowhere to be found. In a fit of rage, he quit ferrying the dead and sold her out to the Brethern.
! That would also explain his hatred of his own heart; the mere sight of the box is enough to remind him of all that he went through. I really don't see a good reason for him to complain to Beckett about it being aboard otherwise, seeing as how it gives him a chance to reclaim it.
! Jones cutting out his heart before the betrayl is the only explanation that really makes sense in light of what we see in the film.

Ivotas

@Ubiq:

You know, one thing that I wish they had included was a reference to Jack stealing Barbossa's ring in the second film.

Huh, I must have missed that part. What ring are you refering to?

Ms. Suave Debonair

Bloody hell, Ubiq. Let it go.

It's a film.

Ubiq

@Ivotas:

Huh, I must have missed that part. What ring are you refering to?

The ring Jack steals from Tia Dalma's table in the second film looks like the ring that Barbossa wears in the first film. Considering that he's there when Jack and company visit her the first time, it's most likely his.

Ivotas

Ah thanks. Totally forgot about that.

taboo

They never showed us what mark Jack left on Mr EITC, did they?

Bad storytelling? I dunno.

I feel it's bad storytelling if you have to come up with this elaborate theory based on pure speculation with key elements that have no evidenciary support. The viewer should have no doubts about events in a story, in a Disney film rather, in order to assure things aren't considered holes. This ain't Canterbury Tales.

I've spent the better part of the last few days trying to wrap my mind around that whole story line, it still feels like it ended too suddenly… but it was also a weirdly satifying ending.

Masa D. Luffy

Ha! I saw this movie opening night.

I liked it, I wasn't dissapointed, it delivered more than Spiderman 3 or Shrek: The third. I give it 8.8/10. The thing that irked me was that there wasn't enough of Jack, Jack's dad, and it could've used less Will. >: (

I went to this movie cosplaying as Luffy. 1 person recognized me for my cosplay, and 1 girl…didn't, but she thought I was hot anyway.

It didn't occur to me to get her number. Oh well.

Ubiq

@taboo:

They never showed us what mark Jack left on Mr EITC, did they?

Nope.

I feel it's bad storytelling if you have to come up with this elaborate theory based on pure speculation with key elements that have no evidenciary support.

I think I may be overexplaining it a bit actually as it doesn't really strike me as being all that complicated.

At any rate, I find it a good rule in any work to go by what we actually see and not what we hear in dialogue, especially when it's second hand information that we're getting. It's not like Davy Jones actually told us any of this after all. In fact, the primary source is somebody that we know isn't particularly loyal or truthful.

A good example would be the whole sea thing in One Piece; we've had several statements lately about how seawater cancels out Devil Fruit powers. We know that isn't right though because of what we saw at Arlong Park. It can't be explained away as the lagoon being fresh water either as Oda has clearly stated in SBS that even half-immersion, even in bathwater, can trigger the sea's effect on Users. So the logical thing to do is to ignore people who say such things… well, unless Oda somehow retcons Arlong Park.

Mr. All Sunday

@Ubiq:

A good example would be the whole sea thing in One Piece; we've had several statements lately about how seawater cancels out Devil Fruit powers. We know that isn't right though because of what we saw at Arlong Park. It can't be explained away as the lagoon being fresh water either as Oda has clearly stated in SBS that even half-immersion, even in bathwater, can trigger the sea's effect on Users. So the logical thing to do is to ignore people who say such things… well, unless Oda somehow retcons Arlong Park.

I was under the impression that DF powers like Luffy's or Mr. 1's were still active, since both of them were permanently turned into a substance, and can't "turn off" their powers like Logia users can.

On topic: I'm relying on this film to redeem the last movie (and hopefully be better than Spiderman 3), and the trailers and stuff are making it look like it'll be excellent. I'm probably going to see it tomorrow evening.

Ramza

im amazed that theres already pirated dvds on this XD

Ivotas

@taboo:

They never showed us what mark Jack left on Mr EITC, did they?

Oh, they really didn´t? I thought it was poor translating from the german sub that they didn´t get the hints about the past of Jack and Beckett. Well yeah, that´s pretty much a (small) letdown.

KaizokuFan22

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KaizokuFan22

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This movie was the greatest

! Tia Dalma being a goddess,Will turner becoming the new Cpt. of the dutchman,The Epic Whirlpool sea battle, the sword fight between Davey jones and Sparrow, all the backstabbing.
what I dont understand is..though
! was the beginnning, who was the kid? also, what was calypso/tia dalma goddess of?(i could not hear what goddess she was)and what with all the sparrows?

warp

The kid was just a nobody random pirate who I hated to death >>

Gizmo

The kid was retarded. First i was like dude this guy is evil just having constant hangings then I saw the kid and was thinking wow a kid? i know that they're trying to show that the dude is evil but a kid? this is getting ridiculous we know he's evil the kid didnt need to be there

the movie overall was awesome. Barbosa and Jack were kickass. Fight scenes intense, Jack/Elizabeth awesomeness, and the plot was easier to understand.
I felt bad because I read the book with the pictures from teh movie in it giving away the plot except for the ending but overall the ending was great.

Annoying parts:
I wish Sao had a cool fight scene though. He got nothing. In fact I wish all of the captains had some fight scene.
Also Jack's dad comes out of the blue with not a lot of explanation.

GearSecond

You guys are too nice, it was the worst of the three movies.

I think when they had a rough plot for both movies, and then finished the second movie, and had a rough draft for the third, they decided to throw out the second half and start over. It seemed to ignore most loose ends left.

Also, some things were obvious from the second movie(like Tia Dalma's true identity) and yet others had no foreshadowing at all, which leads me to believe they decided to forget most of it and restart from scratch.

The best part was the Jack vs Davy Jones fight, especially when they are up on the rigging.

And the ending left too many random loose ends, and really, it didn't seem like an ending, nor a set-up for another movie.

I think they could have pulled it off if they split it into 3 movies. So many things just happened without an explanation for why, nor a conclusion. Some foreshadowing ended up leading to nowhere. Like WTF was up with the governor? They just kill him, mentioning something about him catching on, but we never actually figure out what it is, and Bootstrap turns insan out of nowhere.

There was even a missing scene explaining that after the 10 years are up, the captain of the flying dutchman is normally released.

And what good did releasing Tia Dalma as a sea goddess? All she did was go away and then make a storm. WTF?

Most messed up plotline EVER. And almost all the jokes were just running gags from the last films together.

The first movie was great by itself. The second was good for a sequel, except reviving Barbosa was sorta a mistake.

There's so much random plot I can't even fit it into a post.

Mr. Half

@GearSecond:

I think when they had a rough plot for both movies, and then finished the second movie, and had a rough draft for the third, they decided to throw out the second half and start over. It seemed to ignore most loose ends left.

As I understand, Disney began filming 2 and 3 simultaneously, and before they actually had an idea what the plot would be for either of them.

DesertSpada

One thing that kind of bothered me is that Will is killed and is now the Captain of the Flying Dutchman and gets to se his wife and child once every decade. That kinda sucks because he will see his wife probably 5-7 more times before she dies. I hated that they killed the Kraken off before the movie even started, and Calypso was useless. When they released her, she turned into a giant and said something which was unintelligible to me and vanishes.

She then creates a maelstrom and thats all. Also, it was confusing to me about who the movie was trying to focus on.

Overall it was a good movie though. Also, I must applaud Davy Jones. They manage to keep him the awesome character that he is and his face is off the charts. I thought it was an actual mask in the first movie. That photo CGI is truly great.

KaizokuFan22

@DesertSpada:

One thing that kind of bothered me is that Will is killed and is now the Captain of the Flying Dutchman and gets to se his wife and child once every decade. That kinda sucks because he will see his wife probably 5-7 more times before she dies. I hated that they killed the Kraken off before the movie even started, and Calypso was useless. When they released her, she turned into a giant and said something which was unintelligible to me and vanishes.

She then creates a maelstrom and thats all. Also, it was confusing to me about who the movie was trying to focus on.

Overall it was a good movie though. Also, I must applaud Davy Jones. They manage to keep him the awesome character that he is and his face is off the charts. I thought it was an actual mask in the first movie. That photo CGI is truly great.

when was this? I did not see this in the film.:wassat:

DesertSpada

This might be a SPOILER…

The Captain of the Dutchman can only go aboard land once every 10 years. Before he had to leave, he spent the rest of the day with his wife, Elizabeth, and had to leave. If you wait until after the credits in the movie, you will see Elizabeth and his son who is 9. As soon as the sun goes down, there is a flash of green light and Will is returning to his wife.

Traitor_Jim

@KaizokuFan22:

when was this? I did not see this in the film.:wassat:

….. That means you missed about the last 10 minutes of the movies, including the ending. And basically all the explaination about the 10-years-on-the-sea-1-day-on-the-shore thing.

EDIT: bummer, DesertSpada beat me to it XP

Mr. All Sunday

@GearSecond:

The first movie was great by itself. The second was good for a sequel, except reviving Barbosa was sorta a mistake.

I think you have that backwards sir.

Cap'n Carter

The movies should've been about Barbossa breaking the curse to protect him and his crew

Jack Sparrow was just being a huge fag and messing with them for no reason

since when do pirates prance around and sing and limp their wrists like a bunch of big fat fairies, why do people want these qualities in their action heroes

carlo8921

i really enjoyed the movie, it was really great and i would give it an A- because of how fun it is. About the story, i do agree that it's all happening to quick and many things are lacking, I applaud keith richards though… even though he only appeared for about 2 minutes... his presense gave a very strong impression during the meeting, the pirate lords should've gottent this too... (That pirate lord with the small voice is funny). Captain Barbosa is also very cool in this movie, probably cooler than Jack. Sao Feng should have a bigger role and a fight scene but oh well. Elizabeth Swann being the praite king is unexpected and also Will being the new captain of the Fying Dutchman, i like the mythology involve in the movie. I guess this is happily ever after for the Will and Elizabeth, which if u you think about it, sucks. about the mark, they didn't explain it in the movie but i heard prequels are being written and we will come to understand more. I can't wait to see the next movie.

KaizokuFan22

@carlo8921:

i really enjoyed the movie, it was really great and i would give it an A- because of how fun it is. About the story, i do agree that it's all happening to quick and many things are lacking, I applaud keith richards though… even though he only appeared for about 2 minutes... his presense gave a very strong impression during the meeting, the pirate lords should've gottent this too... (That pirate lord with the small voice is funny). Captain Barbosa is also very cool in this movie, probably cooler than Jack. Sao Feng should have a bigger role and a fight scene but oh well. Elizabeth Swann being the praite king is unexpected and also Will being the new captain of the Fying Dutchman, i like the mythology involve in the movie. I guess this is happily ever after for the Will and Elizabeth, which if u you think about it, sucks. about the mark, they didn't explain it in the movie but i heard prequels are being written and we will come to understand more. I can't wait to see the next movie.

theres going to be a 4th film???:blink:

The Cryokinetic

@KaizokuFan22:

theres going to be a 4th film???:blink:

wow… ugh in case you didn't know Johnny Deep says he wants to one another few and Jerry Burckhiemer wants to take some time off before thinking about the fourth one. In other words there will be a fourth fitfth and sixth because Johnny Deep wants it.