Does anyone have this? If yes, Please answer som question's I have.
1. Is this Everything really Uncut?
2. Are the subs any good?
3. Does the quality look good? (because I heard from some people It does not.)
4. Is this Price worth it?
5. Where is the Cheapest place to get it?
Sry If this has been mentioned before.
I have it.
1.) To be uncut, it would have to be 4:3 because the top and bottom are cut for widescreen.
2.) FUNi usually has good subs, and yes, these are good
3.) It was not frame by frame cleaned. Plus they used cheap techniques that removed lines and stuff. It was a quick job. Blurred to get rid of grain.
4.) If you don't mind the top and bottom being cropped, I guess.
5.) Probably Best Buy for $30
Also, it is not HD. It is only 480i/p.
Read more about it:
http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?t=4969
1. Is this Everything really Uncut?
Nope. They aren't since 15+% of the picture is being cut out to make it widescreen.
2. Are the subs any good?
Yes, Daimao is in full force and is the only good thing about this set.
3. Does the quality look good? (because I heard from some people Id does not.)
Not really. The automated remastering process really screwed it up. We were better off with what we were getting before.
4. Is this Price worth it?
You get what you pay for. Take that as you will.
5. Where is the Cheapest place to get it?
Best Buy has it for $35. That might be the cheapest.
Oh, and this release isn't HD. They are standard definition DVDs that were downgraded from the HD masters FUNimation threw together. (An HD-DVD/Blu-Ray release of the series is going to be pointless since they removed a great deal of the detail of the picture due to the blurring.)
My personal opinion of the set is that it's bad. It's only worth it to read Daimao's subtitles. Quantity over quality as FUNimation's new motto goes for DBZ. 
1. Is this Everything really Uncut?
Yes, content-wise. Plus the original music to English dialouge (which is a big plus for me)
2. Are the subs any good?
Yep.
3. Does the quality look good? (because I heard from some people It does not.)
I personally haven't found anything wrong it. The picture is clean, sure, but I wouldn't say theres anything spectacular.
4. Is this Price worth it?
Definetly.
5. Where is the Cheapest place to get it?
Best Buy ($29.99). They usually sell their anime cheaper than the MSRP.
For all those who say that sooo much is being cut from the WS release from the FS release should read this:
@FunHack:
As we mentioned last week, our announcement about the Dragon Ball Z Season Sets really perked up the discussions on Dragon Ball Z. Throughout the discussions we came across a lot of questions, so we developed an FAQ to address the main questions and provide some additional information.
Happy Holidays!
**Dragon Ball Z Season Sets FAQ
Q. Are the Dragon Ball Z Season Sets going to be available in HD format, or will they play on a regular DVD player.**
A. The entire Dragon Ball Z series has been digitally remastered in high definition (1080p) for the highest quality video available. The Dragon Ball Z Season Sets will be released on standard definition DVDs.
Q. What changes were made to the voice and audio track on the Season Sets?
A.This is a multi-part answer:
a. For the first time, all 291 episodes of Dragon Ball Z will be presented consistently, meaning, we have brought back the FUNimation voice actors to the studio to record new lines throughout the Dragon Ball Z series.
b. There are multiple options as to the type of play back1. English Voice track with Original Japanese Music - 5.1 Surround
2. English Voice Track with TV Broadcast Music
3. Japanese Voice Track with Original MusicQ. How many episodes are on Season One?
A. Season One is 39 episodes. It includes the entire Vegeta Saga.
Q. Will there be compression and video quality issues caused by including 39 episodes in the Dragon Ball Z Season One release?
A. The original plan for the Dragon Ball Z Season One release was to have all 39 episodes on five DVDs, and this is what was stated in our initial announcement. Right after the announcement, the team involved in the digital remastering and restoring of the Dragon Ball Z series noticed that there was potential for video quality issues. This would negate all of our efforts, so the Dragon Ball Z Season One release will now be six DVDs.
Since this is an important topic, here is a little more information on the release. The Dragon Ball Z Season One release will consist of six DVDs. These DVDs are encoded as 480p progressive discs from a 24fps master. This eliminates 6 frames per second of redundant data which translates to 20% less data that needs to be encoded compared to a master recorded at 30fps. With less data to encode, the resulting files will actually require less space on each disc. We havent lowered the bit rate to fit the 7 episodes onto the disc; we simply have less video to worry about.
Q. If the show was animated and shot at a full screen ratio (4:3), how are we getting more viewable content when its cropped and altered to a widescreen (16:9) format?
A. Its important to note, we DID NOT letter box the transfer from previous Dragon Ball Z DVD releases. The new Season Sets were transferred from the original film prints. We sat down with the guys who do this for a living to get their take on many of the comments and questions being raised. This is a bit of a lengthy answer. Lets start with a little information on what happens to images from a DVD when played back on a television and the process of transferring images from film.
1. Overscan
Most of the forum posts with screen captures, and even the ones we initially provided, do not take into account a 4:3 televisions overscan. Ripping a screen capture from a computer software DVD player will not provide a true representation/comparison of the television viewing experience. When this same DVD is played back on a set top DVD player, connected to a 4:3 television, there will be a certain amount, up to 10% from each side (top, bottom and sides) of the image that will not be viewable. This is known as overscan. Every 4:3 television has some amount of overscan; however, the amount of image that is not visible due to overscan will vary from TV to TV.
Viewing a 16:9 image that is played back as letter boxed on a 4:3 television, there is no image lost to the overscanning for the TV. The full 720x480 anamorphic image is viewable. The television still will not display the same amount of video due to the overscan; however, its not as noticeable because the missing video is black. The amount of image from the film that is lost from the top and bottom of the 16:9 transfer will be very similar to the amount of image lost from the top and bottom of a 4:30 transfer due to the televisions overscanning.
2. Cropping
When transferring film to video, there will always be some amount of cropping that occurs. To avoid areas of the original film that are damaged, the lens can be zoomed closer into the film. Once the film has been framed to avoid this damaged area, it could be considered cropped from its original form. This happens on every film transfer. Less damage to the film provides a greater image area to work with, while more damage to the film results in less area in which to work.
The images **HERE show two consecutive frames from the film used in the Dragon Ball Z Season One transfer. The Original Frame is a shot of the actual film with out any processing applied. Damage at the top of the frame can be seen as well as the rounded corners of the exposed area of the film. The 4x3 Full Frame shows the area of the film when it is transferred from the film as 4:3. The 4x3 Overscan shows the image as it is viewable on a 4:3 television, taking in 10% of each side due to overscan. And finally, the 16x9 widescreen illustrates the same image as it is presented on Dragon Ball Z Season One. Notice that after cropping for the film damage as a 4x3 image and allowing for a televisions overscan, there is little difference between the top and bottom of the 4x3 overscan and the 16x9 widescreen images. At the same time, there is clearly more of the film visible on the left and right sides in the 16x9 transfer.
For those of you who would like more information on some of the topics discussed here are a few links. Internet search terms used overscan and dvd players and television overscan.
http://karmaburn.com/dvd_overscan.php
This website compares different DVD players using composite, s-video, and component cables.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overscan
This is a very good explanation of overscan. It even compares PC monitors and TVs, and explains the differences.http://www.mastersofcinema.org/reviews/03lookingbeyond.htm
A very good example of how much image is lost in a 4:3 image due to overscan.This is a post from FUNimation's forums, one of the admins, who does a very good job explaining exactly what is up with the new releases.
I've purchased it and I can say it's quite good, and as for the "cropping", which there really isn't anything significant, just think about this: the original TV encodes were cropped as well, sometimes even more so than the WS release due to damaged frames, etc.
The actual images are incredibly clear, and the restoring was good, not the greatest, but with their limited time and resources, I'm sure it was the best they could do to clean up 20 year old film prints.
Also, considering this is the first release with English audio over the Japanese BGM, that makes it just that much more enjoyable.
And as for being released in HD, I doubt that will ever happen considering that the original film was from a 16mm print, the quality of the actual animation is no where near what can be achieved with HD video, and therefore the standard definition DVD versions are quality enough where you still get a better quality than the film can actually produce.**
I find it funny that the example they showed, the one with King Kai and Gregory, looked different on the actual DVD.
Also, there are so many faults with the DVD. I would rant about it if Bo-bobo wasn't pissing me off more.
The restoring is good? So many cheap tricks were pulled that I consider that an insult to what Toei did for the DragonBoxes.
I got it myself a copy as well on Wednesday. Wal-Mart have it for $29.96. And I enjoy it a lot I just finished the final disc of Season 1 a hour or so ago. I can say it was worth the $30 in my opinion. But that just my opinion.
This is a post from FUNimation's forums, one of the admins, who does a very good job explaining exactly what is up with the new releases.
Sorry, but that was already been proven to be pure made-up B.S. awhile ago. 
We're losing way more picture than we are gaining anything. FUNimation just doesn't want to admit they screwed up so they threw that together.
I've purchased it and I can say it's quite good, and as for the "cropping", which there really isn't anything significant, just think about this: the original TV encodes were cropped as well, sometimes even more so than the WS release due to damaged frames, etc.
Note, they were slightly zoomed in before. We were still getting 95% of the picture which is much more than what were getting now.
The actual images are incredibly clear, and the restoring was good, not the greatest, but with their limited time and resources, I'm sure it was the best they could do to clean up 20 year old film prints.
Yeah and with this new found clarity comes with the loss of detail because of the automated grain removal. There are other side-effects with this as well.
And if FUNi was having trouble restoring it and making it look even more like crap than before, they were betting off using what they had before…or they could've went and payed Toei some good moolah and get the REAL remastered Dragon Box footage.
Also, considering this is the first release with English audio over the Japanese BGM, that makes it just that much more enjoyable.
Yup, you get to hear Sean Schemmel do his fantastic grunts against Chris Sabat's ten million character peformances set to the original music. That is, if you can hear the sound effects or music when the VAs volume isn't so loud.
@Brad:
Sorry, but that was already been proven to be pure made-up B.S. awhile ago.
Losing more picture than gaining? So what, has that 10% from the top and bottom of the screen suddenly become significant? Honestly, it's sickening to see people pick apart at every aspect of what FUNimation is doing just to try and discredit them. And I agree that they have released substandard DBZ DVDs in the past, but that doesn't mean that people have to pick apart every aspect of it.
Note, they were slightly zoomed in before. We were still getting 95% of the picture which is much more than what were getting now.
You did read into the fact that FUNimation DID NOT just letterbox the already released footage, right?
Yeah and with this new found clarity comes with the loss of detail because of the automated grain removal. There are other side-effects with this as well.
As if the original 16mm master footage was that detailed to begin with…
Yup, you get to hear Sean Schemmel do his fantastic grunts against Chris Sabat's ten million character peformances set to the original music. That is, if you can hear the sound effects or music when the VAs volume isn't so loud.
Haha, now this is a problem I had, the VA's volume was a bit loud, but that only lasted the first few episodes, later on they begin to level the volume at a more acceptable level.
Another big problem I've had with this release is that they didn't bother cleaning up the Japanese audio track, now if they did that, that would go beyond awesome.
And you have to think: What does Akira Toriyama think of these DVDs? I think his opinion is the only one that truly matters on this issue. Personally, I would think he would say something along the lines of, "Hey, that's pretty neat" rather than "ZOMG TOP AND BOTTEM WER KUT OFFF"
Yes, content-wise. Plus the original music to English dialouge (which is a big plus for me)
That is the most interesting part for me. The original orchestrated score was sooooo different
BTW, I love how they say the original color is kept. But one of my favorite examples of the "remastering" from another forum is this. Maybe next I'll get one of the many why DBZ shouldn't be widescreen examples.
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Man….. why can't we just get a release using the DragonBox masters....
Also notice the slight stretch.
Losing more picture than gaining? So what, has that 10% from the top and bottom of the screen suddenly become significant? Honestly, it's sickening to see people pick apart at every aspect of what FUNimation is doing just to try and discredit them. And I agree that they have released substandard DBZ DVDs in the past, but that doesn't mean that people have to pick apart every aspect of it.
Uh…yeah, they are significant. This is like releasing a full-screen only version of Star Wars and telling people that's how it was originally intended to be seen when in fact it isn't.
Toei animated the goddamn show in 4:3 and framed it for that presentation. FUNimation is just lopping the top and bottom off to pass it as something "new" and "undiscovered" when in reality it shows the lack of faith they have in the series. ("Gasp! It can't sell on its own! Impossible! We gotta do something to it to make it relevant to today's widescreen-digital animation world!") Let's also ignore the fact they cropped the footage so they wouldn't have to clean up the damage in those areas.
And you want to know why some of us are ripping this release apart?
Because we're sick and fucking tired of FUNimation dicking around with DBZ.
Remember the Ultimate Uncut DVDs? The ones they never finished after people had collected them? Yeah.
It's like they can't give us a straight-up, god honest release of the series without doing something retarded to it. It's not that hard to do people. VIZ and other companies can do it, why can't FUNimation? I mean, they gave us a solid release for Dragon Ball, why not Z?
Another reason why we're pissed about this release is also because:
1 ) They hyped it up to be the greatest thing ever to happen to DBZ in history and it was an utter dissapointment after they revealed what they were doing.
2 ) They say right on the friggin' DVD that they were doing a "pain-stacking frame-by-frame" remastering of the series when it's quite obvious from the footage that they just threw the film into a machine and pressed "start" with no supervision at all. The results are there and I can post screenshots to prove it.
3 ) They were just going to release the episodes like they were before. (Remember when the box was yellow) That would've been fine but then they pull this crap.
4 ) We're getting less picture than what was previously offered.
5 ) They can do great releases for other series, but not DBZ. We can't have that, now can we?
6 ) These remasters are pure crap when compared to the real remastered footage Toei has on the R2 DVDs. Hell, even Spain has a similiar remaster for their DVDs. I bet more than anything that FUNimation could've gotten these but decided to save money and do their own "remastering".
You did read into the fact that FUNimation DID NOT just letterbox the already released footage, right?
Yes, they didn't crop the already released footage, that's true. But for the masters they have and used, we're still getting less than what was offered before. And don't trust those comparision images FUNimation posted. The one with Kaio-sama and Gregory isn't even how it ended up looking like on the DVD.
As if the original 16mm master footage was that detailed to begin with…
Look at the pics EGX posted. Also, the painted backgrounds are smuged and lack detail now AND multiple characters in the same shot will have different degrees of blurring and that's when they are standing next to each other at the same distance.
It looks like an ugly pastel painting.
Also, when there is an earthquake or the frame is shaking, the lines on the characters will flicker and chop up in every other frame which didn't happen on the previous un-remastered release. I'll post a screencap later of one of the scenes that had this problem.
Another big problem I've had with this release is that they didn't bother cleaning up the Japanese audio track, now if they did that, that would go beyond awesome.
See, if FUNi payed Toei we would've gotten remastered japanese audio as well.
And you have to think: What does Akira Toriyama think of these DVDs? I think his opinion is the only one that truly matters on this issue. Personally, I would think he would say something along the lines of, "Hey, that's pretty neat" rather than "ZOMG TOP AND BOTTEM WER KUT OFFF"
No offense to Mr. Toriyama but the guy can't even remember his own goddamn characters. He probably doesn't give a crap what FUNimation (or Toei for that matter) is pulling because quite frankly, he's been done with DB and has moved on since then.
Besides, it's the animators that have the say in what the animation looks like and I would bet they wouldn't be too happy with what FUNimation is doing.
Now, while I posted all this crap, I just want to say I don't hate FUNimation itself. I just hate what they are doing to DBZ. They can release great stuff when they try and it just pisses me off they continue to retardify DBZ over and over and over again but offer great releases for other shows.
I've said it before but the fans can only take so much, y'know?
I still need Saiyan Saga on DVD. Are these still regular DVD's? Even though they're butchered, I'd still want to get them.
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Uh…yeah, they are significant. This is like releasing a full-screen only version of Star Wars and telling people that's how it was originally intended to be seen when in fact it isn't.
You know, Star Wars was shot in Super35 film, which means that the widescreen version you see is cropped exactly the same way as DBZ was for these releases. You'd be surprised at the actual amount of movies that are shot in the Super35 format. Here's an example from "Terminator 2: Judgment Day"
So are you saying I should buy the fullscreen releases of movies as well, because the tops and bottoms have been cut from the movie just for that teensy weensy bit of sides for the widescreen release?
Yes, they didn't crop the already released footage, that's true. But for the masters they have and used, we're still getting less than what was offered before. And don't trust those comparision images FUNimation posted. The one with Kaio-sama and Gregory isn't even how it ended up looking like on the DVD.
It's funny you mention that shot, because when I watched that scene I compared what FUNimation had, and the DVD and I could swear they were awfully damn close, not exactly the same, but awfully damn close.
Look at the pics EGX posted.
That was probably one of the worst examples of the errors caused by color correction that he could find.
Also, the painted backgrounds are smuged and lack detail now AND multiple characters in the same shot will have different degrees of blurring and that's when they are standing next to each other at the same distance.
It looks like an ugly pastel painting.
16mm footage, not that highly detailed, and when it's blurred to clean up dust dirt and grain from an image at 1080p, you will barely be able to see the results once they've been resized down to DVD format, so your argument about the "blurring causing massive amounts of lost detail" is just nonsense.
Also, when there is an earthquake or the frame is shaking, the lines on the characters will flicker and chop up in every other frame which didn't happen on the previous un-remastered release. I'll post a screencap later of one of the scenes that had this problem.
Please do so.
No offense to Mr. Toriyama but the guy can't even remember his own goddamn characters.
But still, he is the creator, so if he thinks it's an abomination, which I doubt he would, he probably would say something about it. But in all honesty, I think if he saw that release, he would think it's neat that FUNimation was able to do that.
Besides, it's the animators that have the say in what the animation looks like and I would bet they wouldn't be too happy with what FUNimation is doing.
Haha, you know, I bet the animators of the series care even less about the show than Toriyama currently does… Seriously, I've seen people that claim that the series was painstakingly put together frame by frame to be as perfect as possible, and I can tell you, no, guarantee you, that that is just not the case. Seriously, since when has Toei been concerned with the quality of animation, as long as it's making them money, they couldn't care less.
Now, while I posted all this crap, I just want to say I don't hate FUNimation itself. I just hate what they are doing to DBZ. They can release great stuff when they try and it just pisses me off they continue to retardify DBZ over and over and over again but offer great releases for other shows.
I've said it before but the fans can only take so much, y'know?
Yeah, I know what you mean there, and every release of DBZ has been sub standard, but this current release is more perfect than the other ones have been, purely for the fact that it has the Japanese BGM over the English audio, which wasn't really touched up all that well I will admit, still some translation errors, and the added dialogue… Disappointing, but nevertheless, still not ultra bad, at least content-wise it's uncut, and there's always the subs. Just look at 4kids uncut One Piece releases... Oh wait, there were none.
Worst example? I get to post more!? YES!
Damn I wish I could screen-cap frame jitters.
Oh the remastered goodness is just so pretty. If this was really done frame by frame and not half-assed, this wouldn't exisist. Pay the damn money for the DragonBox masters cause quality isn't even close.
I 100% prefer the old DVDs.
Also, the shot with Kaio-sama and Gregory was stretched out horizontally and even more was cropped than original. But I'm suuuure you are going to deny it. So let me find the images.
This was framed for fullscreen. Movies are framed for Widesceen. Keep things what they were framed for. Also, if you can't remaster correctly and just wanna throw it through a machine, leave it alone.
You know, Star Wars was shot in Super35 film, which means that the widescreen version you see is cropped exactly the same way as DBZ was for these releases. You'd be surprised at the actual amount of movies that are shot in the Super35 format. Here's an example from "Terminator 2: Judgment Day"
So are you saying I should buy the fullscreen releases of movies as well, because the tops and bottoms have been cut from the movie just for that teensy weensy bit of sides for the widescreen release?
The thing to note here is the framing of the picture and what the director and cinematographer want us to see.
They frame the important details in the widescreen area. More often than not, you'll see mistakes in the bottom or top portion of the original super 35mm's full frame that the director and cinematographer intended to cut out of the picture. Either a piece of electrical equipment used to power a prop or an actor holding a different prop in each take, these areas were meant to be removed.
That's the prime difference between what FUNimation is doing against what filmmakers do with Super 35mm. DBZ was never meant to be presented in 16:9 widescreen. If it was, the R2 DVDs would be in widescreen format.
What the animator/director/cinematographer intended for people to see is the most vital thing to abide by, which in the case of DBZ, is a fullscreen presentation as evidenced it being made and aired in the 1980s in fullscreen and on the R2 DVDs and every other DVD release. This is the only release of DBZ to be in widescreen.
That was probably one of the worst examples of the errors caused by color correction that he could find.
16mm footage, not that highly detailed, and when it's blurred to clean up dust dirt and grain from an image at 1080p, you will barely be able to see the results once they've been resized down to DVD format, so your argument about the "blurring causing massive amounts of lost detail" is just nonsense.
Please do so.
ORLY?
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Fantastic stuff here man.
But still, he is the creator, so if he thinks it's an abomination, which I doubt he would, he probably would say something about it. But in all honesty, I think if he saw that release, he would think it's neat that FUNimation was able to do that.
Good for him. But too bad he isn't the director of the anime.
Haha, you know, I bet the animators of the series care even less about the show than Toriyama currently does… Seriously, I've seen people that claim that the series was painstakingly put together frame by frame to be as perfect as possible, and I can tell you, no, guarantee you, that that is just not the case. Seriously, since when has Toei been concerned with the quality of animation, as long as it's making them money, they couldn't care less.
Too true, but I'm sure one of the animators is probably going,"WTF?!" at this decision but they could care less since they have a pristine DVD release on their side of the world that doesn't have these problems.
Look, I mean if you enjoy this release, go ahead man. I'm not stopping you. But just because you think the picture and everything else is great doesn't hide the fact that the set has problems. 
I'm curious Brad, what kind of TV and DVD player are you using to watch these discs?
Because out the three images you posted as links, I honestly have not noticed those flaws.
Do you think FUNimation realizes they made a mistake? Do you think they'd go back and fix these problems if they could?
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I have noticed on an HDTV. DVD player with component cables. What FUNi meant the discs to be viewed on. Also, the overlay that you still get with the discs really kills some scenes.
The only appropriate thing FUNi can do is release it 4:3 with getting the masters for the DragonBoxes. But that would take a miracle. So many things are still so saturated with FUNi's release.
Alright, I just capped this. One of the scenes that scrolls horizontally. Starts at the bottom and gets to here and stays here for a little bit (more fun with overlay on the TV);
I'm curious Brad, what kind of TV and DVD player are you using to watch these discs?
Because out the three images you posted as links, I honestly have not noticed those flaws.
These are ripped straight my PC's DVD drive. I have seen these problems on two TVs, one of which has a component video hookup. They are there, just check for youself.
Might I also add that the TV with the component cables has some bad overscan so it renders the extra footage FUNimation brags about useless. ![😕](https://forums.arlongpark.net/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f615.png?v=i9pjs0vqrag ":\")
I don't know if FUNi could get their hands on the Dragonbox footage.
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I don't know if FUNi could get their hands on the Dragonbox footage.
Well Spain has something along the lines of Dragonbox footage for their DVDs. If they can get something like that, I'm sure FUNimation can.
@Brad:
Well Spain has something along the lines of Dragonbox footage for their DVDs. If they can get something like that, I'm sure FUNimation can.
Yeah, but that's a different DVD region; other factors may need to be taken into account.
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@Brad:
These are ripped straight my PC's DVD drive. I have seen these problems on two TVs, one of which has a component video hookup. They are there, just check for youself.
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Nope, I still haven't found them, I swear. Chances are…
Theres something wrong with your PC's DVD drive
Something is wrong with your monitor
Something is also wrong with the TVs
Theres something you need to adjust on either one of those mediums.
I've been watching them on a 5-disc DVD player on a 32" Color TV, and the picture has been coming in clear. (Nothing is HD)
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FUNi's:
Color is totally not different at all. Nor stretched in width. No sir.
Something must be wrong with your TV then. I've already talked to other people who have confirmed seeing this.
EDIT: And it's pratically impossible for three seperate, different sources to suffer the same problem.
If I can watch it, and not have any picture problems, why the hell would I think that there is anything wrong with the TV I'm using?
Seriously, this is getting more ridiculous the more I look into it. Has anybody sent in complaint letters to FUNimation? I know I will.
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I just know this, the crappy color kills my retinas.
@EvilGamerX:
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[qimg]http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/8494/vlcsnap2916352hs8.jpg[/qimg]Color is totally not different at all. Nor stretched in width. No sir.
Wow, the FUNi shot looks really really crisp and clean by comparison 
Actually they just look really faded. Also, stretching the width doesn't help video, ever.
It's over-saturated not to mention overlit. They are disregarding the original, natural colors the animaters painted onto the cells. Go FUNi!
…Jesus, I would hate to imagine if FUNimation and co. were in charge of remastering Wizard of Oz...
@Brad:
Something must be wrong with your TV then. I've already talked to other people who have confirmed seeing this.
EDIT: And it's pratically impossible for three seperate, different sources to suffer the same problem.
Yeah, the DVDs have that problem, mine do to, but they happen so quickly I couldn't honestly give a shit.
@EvilGamerX:
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[qimg]http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/696/bscap022qa6.jpg[/qimg]FUNi's:
[qimg]http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/8494/vlcsnap2916352hs8.jpg[/qimg]Color is totally not different at all. Nor stretched in width. No sir.
The colors seem more natural on FUNi's version.
I shall also note that the reason FUNimation's version looks "stretched" is because FUNimation actually rescanned each frame, instead of using the old footage, so in all actuality, that first image is stretched, and FUNimation's isn't.
Good for you! It doesn't mean the problem is going to go away. This is going to happen any time the screen shakes and that happens ALOT in DBZ.
These screens prove that FUNimation didn't even fucking check their own masters before releasing them. They rushed this thing out the door people.
FUNi's masters aren't the greatest. Also, did you see how they did things? They put it in a machine and pretty much set it to auto. I HIGHLY doubt Toei would take the time to clean frame by frame to release a squashed version.
@EvilGamerX:
FUNi's masters aren't the greatest. Also, did you see how they did things? They put it in a machine and pretty much set it to auto. I HIGHLY doubt Toei would take the time to clean frame by frame to release a squashed version.
I'm saying they used prescanned footage and cleaned that up, which means the footage they started with was already squashed, and to be honest, it's not even squashed enough to be significant in either release. (Toei or FUNimation)
EDIT: And more accurately, it's not squashed footage, merely slightly rotated, and since FUNimation did feed theirs through a machine, it's highly doubtful that they have slightly rotated film, now Toei however…
PLease… please stop. You think Toei would.... that is kinda funny. I will give you points on that. FUNi's version looks like ass because they put it through a machine and set it on auto.
Oh, look how awesome my avatar looks now. It's better.
@EvilGamerX:
PLease… please stop. You think Toei would.... that is kinda funny. I will give you points on that. FUNi's version looks like ass because they put it through a machine and set it on auto.
Oh, look how awesome my avatar looks now. It's better.
It's funny, you letterboxed your avatar, how very clever. Either way, I'll stop, because everyone should know you can never win an argument on the internet, no matter how hard you try.
But I would like to finish with this: Toei is known for being cheap as hell, so I doubt they would bother to fix any distortion to the actual image, except for the scratches and dirt, and they would probably do it as cheaply as possible too, I doubt anyone who originally worked on that series really cares anymore, in fact, I would guess that a good number of those people hate it now because of how much it's been through. Toei is just trying to squeeze every penny out of that series that they can get, and if they can release a mediocre box set with some dirt and scratches removed, and get fans to think it's ZOMG TEH AWESOME, then Toei wins.
Also, just for kicks. If you look at the Goku images. Notice how in FUNi's extra viewing pleasure, Goku's left arm get's a little ~. There are tons of those as well as cel placement errors because those area's weren't framed to be seen.
@EvilGamerX:
Also, just for kicks. If you look at the Goku images. Notice how in FUNi's extra viewing pleasure, Goku's left arm get's a little ~. There are tons of those as well as cel placement errors because those area's weren't framed to be seen.
Haha, I noticed that from that frame you caputred.
Toei is just trying to squeeze every penny out of that series that they can get, and if they can release a mediocre box set with some dirt and scratches removed, and get fans to think it's ZOMG TEH AWESOME, then Toei wins.
Source Video
For these DVDs they actually pulled the original 16mm film reels out of cold storage, and used them as the primary source material. All previously released DragonBall content (even the original Fuji TV airings) were based off either the master tapes (copies of the 16mm film), or copies of the masters. Since the 16mm film is actually the original photography of the animation cels, what you are seeing when viewing these discs is essentially the original cel animation, as fresh as the day it was painted!Remastering
Since the source material is the original cel photography, the picture is already as pristine as it will ever be. However, as with any film, it is bound to suffer some damage. Pony Canyon has taken the time to carefully remove all damage from the film, presenting us with a perfectly clean picture, yet never compromising the integrity of the actual animation. On top of this, since they have gone back to the 16mm films, they can create an all-new frame alignment!
When making the original masters for a series, it is typical to copy the film while slightly zoomed-in. This reduces the risk of catching the edge of a misaligned cel (ie. seeing the edge of the image). However, with time, money and new digital technology on their side, Pony Canyon has created a new print that captures more image than the original masters. In some cases this actually meant re-aligning some of the frames, which not only allowed for a larger image surface, but also greatly reduced all former traces of jitter!Source Audio
As with the video, they have also gone straight to the source material for the audio. Unfortunately, since the series was recorded in mono, it will always have that dated feel to it, but the audio presented here is of very good quality, all things considered. The audio never gives out or cracks during high notes in a song or loud screams, and the typical background noise (that horrible "shhhhhhh" sound) is virtually nonexistent. Also, the opening and ending themes, although remaining in their broadcast mono forms, have been greatly improved and sound very close to stereo quality.
http://www.kanzentai.com/guide/dvd/jpn/db_dragon_box_z1/index.html
If that is a mediocre remastering job and DVD boxset, FUNimation's release is the Anti-Christ.
EvilGamerX and Brad Redfield, exactly how much more footage do we gain from your remastered avatars?
By the way, have you gguys actually complained to FUNimation yourselves?
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I think this is the line smudging technique FUNimation used http://www.lyris-lite.net/dnr.html
EvilGamerX and Brad Redfield, exactly how much more footage do we gain from your remastered avatars?
By the way, have you gguys actually complained to FUNimation yourselves?
You're getting highly enhanced cinematic viewing. Carefully restored pixel by pixel.
And I can already tell they'll sell a million copies!
Of course it''ll sell really well, it's "Dragon-freakin'-Ball Z" for christs' sake! I hope that the loads of money it'll make will mean reprintings of the set(s) in fullscreen.
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Please for the love of god, can someone cut out the "OVER 9000!!!" scene from the HD release? I must have it. Should be episode 28.
EvilGamerX and Brad Redfield, exactly how much more footage do we gain from your remastered avatars?
By the way, have you gguys actually complained to FUNimation yourselves?
I wouldn't know because I threw it into some sort of expensive and pretty machine and pressed,"start". I mean, I didn't look over what the machine was doing to it but the end result is there and its fantastic.
And yes, I've already e-mailed them (back when I first heard about the widescreen announcement) and sent them a letter two weeks ago and posted on their message board.
Found it,
