The Toughest Obstacle?!

Eggherd

Lucci, no question as long as we're talkin about people the strawhats have fought already, which we are, so I don't know why anyone's bothering to mention people that haven't been fought by las mugiwaras yet.

Lucci and Luffy's fight was a slug fest. It would be different if Luffy had say fought normally and then pulled out one of the gears and beat Lucci, but Luffy was using Gear 2 or Gear 3 for pretty much the entire fight and Lucci took the attacks, and the fight went on forever. Lucci is the toughest.

Impel Down

Enies Lobby ITSELF was the biggest obsticale.

WHITEBEARD

Mr 0…................

Phenomenol

What….. Why is Whitebeard's name croosed out??? What does that mean?

Cochise

That means he's banned, yo.

ONEinchPUNCH

@Phenomenol:

What….. Why is Whitebeard's name croosed out??? What does that mean?

That usually means you've been banned, that can't be right?

Phenomenol

Why, did he get Banned???

CosmicDebris

pm ocean or I, don't drag the thread off-topic please.

MARIMO KUN

No.1: Lucci
No.2:Crocodile
No.3:Arlong
No.4:Enel

Kma

I think the Buster call followed by the Skypia arc.

Buster call because well so many captains, commanders, and if Sanji didnt pull that off and the Strawhats didnt pull through it would have been the end of their adventures.

Skypia because in that arc Luffy was the only person left that was able to fight. That huge thunderball would have decimated them. Everyone was more split up in that arc too, they had that battle royale. I had the feeling everyone was going more solo.

Aoi Koji was also a critical moment for the Strawhats. They almost lost their captain and the team almost broke down. Zoro reminded them that this was a critical moment for their group and they had to trust the captain.

gaara d. lucci

1. Lucci - Luffy barely broke even. Luffy couldn't even move after the fight
2. Crocodile - Beat Luffy twice, and had a plan for everything
3. AOkji - Had his intent been malicious, there'd be no SH
4. Enel - Nobody except Luffy stood a chance

FireFistAce 0

@gaara:

1. Lucci - Luffy barely broke even. Luffy couldn't even move after the fight
2. Crocodile - Beat Luffy twice, and had a plan for everything
3. AOkji - Had his intent been malicious, there'd be no SH
4. Enel - Nobody except Luffy stood a chance

You know, The Longringlongland situation was really Luffy's fault. If Luffy hadn't been screaming and yelling like a dumbass, Kuzan wouldn't have decided he needed to shut the hell up and kicked his and Robin's ass.

Phenomenol

@gaara:

1. Lucci - Luffy barely broke even. Luffy couldn't even move after the fight
2. Crocodile - Beat Luffy twice, and had a plan for everything
3. AOkji - Had his intent been malicious, there'd be no SH
4. Enel - Nobody except Luffy stood a chance

Crocodile was the toughest villain…..Not only for Luffy but the ENTIRE SH crew!!!!! He should be number 1 on the list.

Crocodile is still number one for being the most difficult.

FireFistAce 0

@Phenomenol:

Crocodile was the toughest villain…..Not only for Luffy but the ENTIRE SH crew!!!!!

Crocodile is still number one for being the most difficult.

Well, except for Kuzan. Kuzan actually took a rifle without even flinching before using his power.

Phenomenol

@Fire Fist:

Well, except for Kuzan. Kuzan actually took a rifle without even flinching before using his power.

One attack….I would like to see how Aokiji does WITHOUT his logia powers like Crocodile????

He has yet to show me if he has the durability to take a beating like Croc.....we shall see.

So far crocodile was the toughest out of all the villains.

FireFistAce 0

@Phenomenol:

One attack….I would like to see how Aokiji does WITHOUT his logia powers like Crocodile????

He has yet to show me if he has the durability to take a beating like Croc.....we shall see.

So far crocodile was the toughest out of all the villains.

Well, I didn't think I need to mention it, but Luffy did Storm against Aokiji and it didn't even affect him. Plus, Zoro and Sanji both attacked him and were instantly defeated. Robin even clutched him and he easily reformed his body. And Kuzan caught Luffy's fist with his hand.

Basically, if Kuzan hadn't been feeling generous, the series would've ended then and there.

Phenomenol

@Fire Fist:

Well, I didn't think I need to mention it, but Luffy did Storm against Aokiji and it didn't even affect him. Plus, Zoro and Sanji both attacked him and were instantly defeated. Robin even clutched him and he easily reformed his body. And Kuzan caught Luffy's fist with his hand.

Basically, if Kuzan hadn't been feeling generous, the series would've ended then and there.

Aokiji used his LOGIA powers for all of those incidents…......

If Crocodile was not in a hurry keeping a schedule the series would have ended the first time they met as well.

Brook Lesnar

Luffy vs Zoro( This was the toughest fight ive seen in one piece they'll may be end up with each other)
2)luffy vs Usopp
the toughest obstacles SH have been fought is fighting with each other…

Kma

@Brook:

Luffy vs Zoro( This was the toughest fight ive seen in one piece they'll may be end up with each other)
2)luffy vs Usopp
the toughest obstacles SH have been fought is fighting with each other…

Ya thats true the Luffy and Ussopp fight was a critical moment for the Strawhats. Luffy really had to take on the role of captain during these events.

The Luffy and Zoro fight started out pretty serious but it ended with humour with how Nami KO'ed them and Luffy learning it was a misunderstanding.

You know how Zoro said in the begining if Luffy ever makes him do anything that jeopardizes his dream he will cut him up. I dont know why but I think it might happen and there will be a huge fight between them. Haha for some reason I want that to happen just cause it will be so dramatic. Although I cant imagine Luffy ever intentionally making Zoro abandon his dream because we all know how much dreams mean to Luffy. Still it would be a cool scenario in my opinion. Maybe with how recently Zoro says if he cant trust the captain he'll cause a ruckus and leave.

FireFistAce 0

@Kma:

Ya thats true the Luffy and Ussopp fight was a critical moment for the Strawhats. Luffy really had to take on the role of captain during these events.

The Luffy and Zoro fight started out pretty serious but it ended with humour with how Nami KO'ed them and Luffy learning it was a misunderstanding.

You know how Zoro said in the begining if Luffy ever makes him do anything that jeopardizes his dream he will cut him up. I dont know why but I think it might happen and there will be a huge fight between them. Haha for some reason I want that to happen just cause it will be so dramatic. Although I cant imagine Luffy ever intentionally making Zoro abandon his dream because we all know how much dreams mean to Luffy. Still it would be a cool scenario in my opinion. Maybe with how recently Zoro says if he cant trust the captain he'll cause a ruckus and leave.

You know, I thought about that, and I always wondered what would happen if Luffy got in a bad situation, and Mihawk showed up, and Zoro had to choose between defeating Mihawk and saving Luffy. What would Zoro really do in that situation? To be quite honest, the only person I can see giving their life or dream to save Luffy is Usopp, and that's only because Usopp is essentially Luffy's best friend. Plus, by giving his life to save Luffy, Usopp would achieve his dream.

Mister_Anbu

Interesting scenario. Although I disagree without, I believe they would all save Luffy over their personal agenda. Yet, I doubt Luffy would want that, Luffy would probably want his Nakama to fulfil their dreams over saving his life.

Impel Down

Yeah, because he can save his own life.

FireFistAce 0

Except:

1. When he was underwater at Baratie.

2. When he was underwater at Arlong Park

3. When he was in quicksand outside Rainbase.

4. When he was lying defenseless during the Buster Call after beating Lucchi.

@Kma:

Ya thats true the Luffy and Ussopp fight was a critical moment for the Strawhats. Luffy really had to take on the role of captain during these events.

The Luffy and Zoro fight started out pretty serious but it ended with humour with how Nami KO'ed them and Luffy learning it was a misunderstanding.

You know how Zoro said in the begining if Luffy ever makes him do anything that jeopardizes his dream he will cut him up. I dont know why but I think it might happen and there will be a huge fight between them. Haha for some reason I want that to happen just cause it will be so dramatic. Although I cant imagine Luffy ever intentionally making Zoro abandon his dream because we all know how much dreams mean to Luffy. Still it would be a cool scenario in my opinion. Maybe with how recently Zoro says if he cant trust the captain he'll cause a ruckus and leave.

Yeah I can imagine that too and I have the feeling when they will meet Shanks and his crew…

If Zoro finds out that Shanks is/was once a rival of Mihawk he will challenge him but Luffy goes wild and try to stop him...

Impel Down

I think the next big obstacle will be Smoker's crew.

Kma

@Roronoa:

Yeah I can imagine that too and I have the feeling when they will meet Shanks and his crew…

If Zoro finds out that Shanks is/was once a rival of Mihawk he will challenge him but Luffy goes wild and try to stop him...

ya I also imagined that it would have something to do with Shanks and Mihawks too.

Impel Down

Smoker's crew, in the New World, will present not only the biggest threat so far, but the best fights we've seen.

Kishido

I would say

BB's crew
Shanks crew
or
Smoker's crew

Impel Down

I don't think they'll fight against Shanks, but rather with Shanks.

Phenomenol

Why Not, Luffy said that he will find a crew that will beat Shanks crew?!

Impel Down

Yeah, but they're just such nice guys, I just can't see Oda having them fight.

AD-HD Pirate

Actually, this is what Luffy said:

Luffy: I DO!!!
Someday I'll find a crew that's even better than yours!!
I'll find the greatest treasure in the world!!!

Phenomenol

That is from Stephen's scripts…I am talking about LITERAL (original japanese translation). From the anime he says beat Shanks crew.

Impel Down

Well, to beat Shanks' crew would be to reach Raftel.

AD-HD Pirate

That is from Stephen's scripts…I am talking about LITERAL (original japanese translation). From the anime he says beat Shanks crew.

Oh, he says that in anime?
Oh wow, then it must be real.
…No.

Luffy haven't never said anything about beating Shanks crew.

Phenomenol

He says it in the ORIGINAL japanese translation!!!! it is real.

Impel Down

Well, even if he did…(read what I posted a moment ago)

Phenomenol

You would have too go through Shanks to reach Raftel.^^^

Impel Down

You can just go past him, not nessacarily through him.

Phenomenol

To reach One Piece you must CONQUER the New World, do you believe Shanks is going to give his spot up that easily?

Impel Down

Well, maybe BB will kill him so Luffy won't have to.

Phenomenol

LOL!^….That is going to be a tough task for Blackbeard as well.

Impel Down

Not really. If BB can scratch him with gravity, I'm sure he can kill him. Although, I do think that Shanks > BB.

Phenomenol

Well, I have too see Shanks in action first to make a judgement on the two.

AD-HD Pirate

He says it in the ORIGINAL japanese translation!!!! it is real.

Show me that. And if it's in anime, I don't believe you.

Nauykuyr

@WHITEBEARD:

Its canon that says they are equal. period

You said you know its canon….......why are you ignoring canon???????

They are equal.

We are off topic lets take this to the shanks and grap thread.

I posted this in the other thread, but I'll give a summary here:
If one goes by the Red Book, then Zoro is more powerful since he has much more dexterity and intelligence than Luffy. The red book isn't an indicator of fighting ability. Zoro and Luffy at 6 strength is simply a way of saying that a fight between them wouldn't be decided easily

On an added note: ability does not mean utility. Zoro might have more intelligence than Luffy, but Zoro seems to be a straight forward fighter, while Luffy has shown use of trickery like afro mirror and water Luffy. Generally in shonen manga, will power is half the deciding factor in a fight.

edit:

Whether or not Luffy says he'll "beat" shanks, his speech is more of a gesture than a literal. Shanks and Luffy won't fight for One Piece. Currently there seems to be three confirmed people looking for One Piece: WB, BB, and Luffy. If Luffy and Shanks fight, it'll be friendly, like Coby vs. Luffy.

Phenomenol

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AD-HD Pirate

Yeah, fanbased anime sub in always good place to find reliable translation.

Phenomenol

@Nauykuyr:

Whether or not Luffy says he'll "beat" shanks, his speech is more of a gesture than a literal. Shanks and Luffy won't fight for One Piece. Currently there seems to be three confirmed people looking for One Piece: WB, BB, and Luffy. If Luffy and Shanks fight, it'll be friendly, like Coby vs. Luffy.

LOL!….What makes you think that Shanks is NOT looking for One Piece? Do you think he is sailing the seas for no reason at all? He is an Emperor and his motives are unknown but it is most likely he is looking for One Piece. Luffy said he will beat his crew, and that is what he is going to have to do. To find One Piece you must Conquer the New World and that includes Shanks!!!

Nauykuyr

@Phenomenol:

LOL!….What makes you think that Shanks is NOT looking for One Piece? Do you think he is sailing the seas for no reason at all? He is an Emperor and his motives are unknown but it is most likely he is looking for One Piece. Luffy said he will beat his crew, and that is what he is going to have to do. To find One Piece you must Conquer the New World and that includes Shanks!!!

He hasn't been confirmed to be looking for one piece.

At the moment there are plenty of powerful pirates not looking for one piece. Saying you're gonna beat someone doesn't mean you have to literally beat someone in battle.

Conquering the New World also doesn't mean you have to "beat" (fight and win) everyone there. Do you really take everything so literally? You think he's gonna go island to island, ship to ship, and kill everyone in the new world?