Yes, that's right who is the toughest opponet the SH's has faced? In terms of BLUNT Force, which opponent exudes crazy "durability?!."Who was able to last the longest and take the most punishment?
The Toughest Obstacle?!
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IMO, probably Krieg.
Not on an absolute basis, he's probably 15 douriki once you pull the tin can off, but on a relative one… he could absorb punishment thanks to his armour for a long time from the Luffy of the time. And with Mihawk taking Zoro out of play, the staging of the Arlong arc leaving Nami out of commission, and Sanji not a truly a Mugiwara yet, he didn't have to withstand a lot to stay standing.
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IMO, probably Krieg.
Not on an absolute basis, he's probably 15 douriki once you pull the tin can off, but on a relative one… he could absorb punishment thanks to his armour for a long time from the Luffy of the time. And with Mihawk taking Zoro out of play, the staging of the Arlong arc leaving Nami out of commission, and Sanji not a truly a Mugiwara yet, he didn't have to withstand a lot to stay standing.
I thought the fight with Bon Clay was pretty intense.
He even wondered how many bones he had broken at the end of the fight. -
I would say Mr 0, Aka killer Croc, he took Luffys Bazooka head on and Laugh it off.
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That wasn't toughness. That'd be a lack of solidity.
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Obviously Lucci. He's the only one that took so many shots head on, including Gear 2 and Gear 3. Only the most powerful attack shown in Gear 2 actually finished him after so long.
After that's Croc. He took alot too, and sent an attack even when he was punched at the sky after so much. You can't say something other than Gomu Gomu no Storm would finish him there. -
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If we're talking the SH have faced, excluding Luffy… then Eneru. Eneru owned Zoro, Robin, Sanji and the rest without breaking a sweat. They got owned big time. But he wasn't able to last the longest.
Either Kreig or Croc. Kreig because the SH were all over the place, and Croc because he was the new level. From Arlong, Mr 3 and all them to Croc is a big step, and it took Luffy three goes to beat him.
Lucci though, is bad ass.
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Krieg doesn't count because of his armor. To his physical body, he took three blows: Luffy's punch through the spike cape to the face, the gavel to the deck of Baratie, and then got slugged by Gin.
And Crocodile did not "laugh off" Luffy's Bazooka.
Luffy: GOMU GOMU…
Cobra: WHO IS THAT?!!
Crocodile: TCH...
BOY...!!!- Page 82 -
Luffy: "BUZZSAW"!!!!
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Luffy: Heeheeheehee!!
Cobra: He knocked him out…!!!
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Luffy: Haah…
Haah...Miss All-Sunday: Wow.
Luffy: GET UP.
So far, it's Lucchi, Bleuno, and Arlong.
Arlong took a gatling, a bullet, a whip, and a bell without flinching. Then had his teeth shattered once, ripped out four times (Once by Luffy to free his arm, second time by Luffy to get teeth for himself, and twice by Arlong himself), got speared to the chest, impacted with concrete, Impacted with a building (Both during Shark on Darts), Had his nose shattered and then reset (The resetting is even more painful), and then finally had a five story building collapse on top of him.
Bleuno took a Jet Rifle and a Jet Bazooka, Luffy's first super-powered moves.
And of course, Lucchi took more blows than we can count.
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@Fire Fist:
Arlong took a gatling, a bullet, a whip, and a bell without flinching. Then had his teeth shattered once, ripped out four times (Once by Luffy to free his arm, second time by Luffy to get teeth for himself, and twice by Arlong himself), got speared to the chest, impacted with concrete, Impacted with a building (Both during Shark on Darts), Had his nose shattered and then reset (The resetting is even more painful), and then finally had a five story building collapse on top of him.
Yeah, I think by now all of us already got the point that Fist Fist Ace thinks Arlong had the most punishment handed to him so I don't see why you need to keep emphasizing it.
Anyway for me it has to be Arlong, Crocodile and Rob Lucci. For every other opponent Luffy has faced, it took a decent hit to send them flying. But those three I've mentioned are clearly a level above and always refuse to go down. Kind of fitting that when they were each defeated, Luffy was issued a new bounty.
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@Rai:
Obviously Lucci. He's the only one that took so many shots head on, including Gear 2 and Gear 3. Only the most powerful attack shown in Gear 2 actually finished him after so long.
That sums it up.
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Rob Lucci. IMO, Krieg and Arlong were mere jokes comparatively. They were owned when Luffy was still at his weakest. Enel and Crocodile lasted only because of their Logia; without them, their physical strength would have been owned by Luffy too.
And Rob Lucci's power is for all to see. There's no contest that he's Luffy's greatest opponent so far (Enel would have been only if Luffy wasn't his weakness)
Though, in technical terms.. Since the SHs faced Mihawk and Aokiji before, then these 2 are probably the craziest, though we haven't really seen how much punishment either could take. So I wouldn't count them for now.
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Rob Lucci- case and point. How many of us can honestly say arlong or kreig could take a barrage of jet moves followed by the assault that is gear three and STILL BE A PIMP.- Before the hero factor aka usopp's speech and jet gatling that is.
Rob Lucci- Who all badasses look up to- Currently.
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to the topic
its like a rule for a manga to develop characters with more and more strength or do you want to see luffy fighting with gear2 against someone like arlong in strength…..
No the next opponent must have more power so that at first they seem like unbeatable... so luffy must also get more power and so a superfight can start..lolbut after thriller bark they come to mermaidiland(in the new world?? no i blieve the last island before) and their is the most powerful shishibukai !!jimbei!!!.....so the rest of the shishibukai cant have such a power how we will see their........and we know mihawk is the final opponent of zoro..but we havent seen what he really all can lol
Also the emperors are the highest powers who exist and Adm AoKiji we see how his power is instaed of luffys.....
So we see already more than 3\4 of the powerful character in op.......
So it cant be so crazy grown like in dbz with the power of one human....
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Must say that Crocodile. He wiped out Luffy what, three times? He was around 11-volumes and was puppetmaster in Alabasta.
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Hmm…. I find it amusing that everyone is picking their own avatar as the toughest enemy faced so far.
Hmm....In that note, I have to say that the Sky King was the toughest. He didn't even flinch from wiper's bazooka or zoro's cannon. I think even lucci would have been KO'd faster if he had a little luffy stuck in his intestine attacking his colon from the inside. I mean, you can't keep tekkai on forever.
And as far as blunt force is concerned, you don't get any blunter a force than a skyscraper sized reptile landing on your head.
Definitely the sky king.
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It's obviously Lucci.
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A lot of it is the environment too.
If you dropped Luffy and Lucci in an empty field, the fight would play differently than how it did in Enies Lobby.
! Gear 3 or no, Gigant Rifleing through a brick wall consumes a fair amount of energy. The Buster Call is sort of a distraction, and we can assume some weakening from fighting Blueno and making his way to Lucci.
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Depends what we mean by durability, without thinking I'd just say lucci. Although with a bit of thought I'd say mr1 took quite a bit of damage.
He took everything zoro did and took no damage what so ever. Now yeah I know that's because he was made out of of metal and couldn't be hurt by the SH's attacks back then. But he still endured it all, if zoro did all that to another enemy and quite sure they'd be dead.
If we aren't counting him though I'd say lucci.
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I think your all forgetting about the one guy Luffy cannot beat (yet)…
SMOKER!!!
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I think your all forgetting about the one guy Luffy cannot beat (yet)…
SMOKER!!!
Well technically smoker doesn't take the attacks, they pass straight through him.
Now Mr1 isn't a logia so he physically took those attacks even though he is steel. So he endured all of zoros attacks, smoker hasn't endured anything all attacks passed straight through him.
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Yeah, but Nami could beat Smoker with her wind attacks.
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Baron Omatsuri from Movie 6.
Although, that might not count, so Aqua Laguna was the toughest obstacle. That was a freaking big wave.
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Depends what we mean by durability, without thinking I'd just say lucci.
Really? doesn't the CP9 have to use a special technique ("Tekkai") too take powerful attacks? I remember Lucci using alot of this technique.
If I chose a character that was the most durable I had to say Crocodile was, despite being a Logia he sure was taking Luffy's attacks head on.
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
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Really? doesn't the CP9 have to use a special technique ("Tekkai") too take powerful attacks? I remember Lucci using alot of this technique.
If I chose a character that was the most durable I had to say Crocodile was, despite being a Logia he sure was taking Luffy's attacks head on.
Yeah, that was pre-gear Luffy, which, tbh, was his only major power-upgrade. Luffy was already strong. Look at all the blows that Arlong took before being knocked out. A gatling, a spear, a bell, getting his teeth ripped out multiple times… Luffy did a Buzzsaw once he discovered Croc's weakness and stunned him. If you really go back and read it, once Luffy had Croc's weakness, Croc didn't take nearly as many blows as you think.
All of Luffy and Bleuno's blows were with Gear 2 / Gear 3rd. Sure, Lucchi used Tekkai, but Gear 2nd and 3rd went THROUGH Tekkai. Gear 3rd could have taken out a battleship.
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@Fire Fist:
Yeah, that was pre-gear Luffy, which, tbh, was his only major power-upgrade. Luffy was already strong. Look at all the blows that Arlong took before being knocked out. A gatling, a spear, a bell, getting his teeth ripped out multiple times… Luffy did a Buzzsaw once he discovered Croc's weakness and stunned him. If you really go back and read it, once Luffy had Croc's weakness, Croc didn't take nearly as many blows as you think.
All of Luffy and Bleuno's blows were with Gear 2 / Gear 3rd. Sure, Lucchi used Tekkai, but Gear 2nd and 3rd went THROUGH Tekkai. Gear 3rd could have taken out a battleship.
Crocodile took the "BUZZSAW" and even laughed at it!!! Crocodile took a powered up GOMU GOMU…!!!"BAZOOKA"!!!! He has taken a Gummo Gummo storm through tons of bedrock!!!! and survived. Now this is a guy who had no special technique for his durability like Luuci who's tekkai was like a shield.
Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!
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Crocodile took the "BUZZSAW" and even laughed at it!!! Crocodile took a powered up GOMU GOMU…!!!"BAZOOKA"!!!! He has taken a Gummo Gummo storm through tons of bedrock!!!! and survived. Now this is a guy who had no special technique for his durability like Luuci who's tekkai was like a shield.
Luffy: GOMU GOMU…
Cobra: WHO IS THAT?!!
Crocodile: TCH...
BOY...!!!- Page 82 -
Luffy: "BUZZSAW"!!!!
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Luffy: Heeheeheehee!!
Cobra: He knocked him out…!!!- Page 84 -
Luffy: Haah…
Haah...Miss All-Sunday: Wow.
Luffy: GET UP.
And then the clock even ticked to show time had passed before he got back up.
And I KNOW you'll try to say he "laughed it off". Read it again:
Crocodile: Hahaha...
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Luffy: When I grabbed your hand back there,
**< <crocodile: gaaah!!!<="" strong="">He was startled by it. He was trying to hide it.
You probably didn't read much of the Lucchi fight. Go read it again. Lucchi took a LOT of blows that went THROUGH TEKKAI. And on TOP OF THAT, they were in Gear 2 and Gear 3rd. If Crocodile took Gear 2nd or Gear 3rd, he would've been obliterated.</crocodile:>**
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presently : Lucchi is the toughest so far. (not including Aokiji)….
future-ly : Shanks, Blackbeard or unknown that hasn't been introduced yet.
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@Fire Fist:
You probably didn't read much of the Lucchi fight. Go read it again. Lucchi took a LOT of blows that went THROUGH TEKKAI. And on TOP OF THAT, they were in Gear 2 and Gear 3rd. If Crocodile took Gear 2nd or Gear 3rd, he would've been obliterated.
I guess your right! Luuci is the toughest….........
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Huh, i was gonna post more stuff for lucci being the toughest to date, but FFA helped me out, by the way does someone remember the volume and chapter for the Arlong fight, I'd like to read it again since yu brought up some points i dont seem to remember-
Please and Thank Thank you.
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The toughest obsticale will be the Yonkou, I imagine.
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Really? doesn't the CP9 have to use a special technique ("Tekkai") too take powerful attacks? I remember Lucci using alot of this technique.
Well he did take a beating, but if you mean without using tekkai to drain out part of the damage.
If I chose a character that was the most durable I had to say Crocodile was, despite being a Logia he sure was taking Luffy's attacks head on.
Then yeah croc did take a massive beating.
You probably didn't read much of the Lucchi fight. Go read it again. Lucchi took a LOT of blows that went THROUGH TEKKAI. And on TOP OF THAT, they were in Gear 2 and Gear 3rd. If Crocodile took Gear 2nd or Gear 3rd, he would've been obliterated.
We have to decide using the level luffy and his opponents are on though, characters get stronger as the series progresses. Imagine the later fights, it's unfair to say previous enemies wouldn't be able to take those attacks (which you are right, they wouldn't)
You have to judge a fight by level, think of a boxing fight.
Light weight (earlier luffy) vs light weight (croc)
Croc took all of luffy's attacks and just kept getting back up, damaged and battered but he still got back up.
Now light weight (croc) vs heavy weight (current luffy)
The fight will be over in seconds it's an unfair comparison
Lucci was a heavy weight when he fought luffy so we go by the hits he took not what the techniques were and how powerful. Now if you look at it that way croc took quite a bit of damage, but if we look at it your way then lucci takes it.
MAKE YOUR PLAY!!
And the villains toughest obstacle…. ZORO not even death itself can take his life away!!!!!
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And the villains toughest obstacle…. ZORO not even death itself can take his life away!!!!!
I must agree with this!! Zoro is possibly the most durable character in ALL of One Piece (Blackbeard)!!! This man has lost gallons of blood, it is not even funny.
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@Impel:
The toughest obsticale will be the Yonkou, I imagine.
Yeah.
The Whitebeard, for sure. Mihawk will be tough for Zoro. Aokiji and the other two Admiral's will be. Dragon will be.
One of the other un-named Shichibukai's will be super powerful, if I'm guessing right. I hope that Shichibukai is like really evil and as powerful (if not more powerful) than Mihawk (and plase, no screaming Mihawk fans at me… I'm guessing).
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Bible Bear, Jinbei, and Doflamingo,other 2 yonkou^
Dont forget about them.
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@$abZ:
Yeah.
The Whitebeard, for sure. Mihawk will be tough for Zoro. Aokiji and the other two Admiral's will be. Dragon will be.
One of the other un-named Shichibukai's will be super powerful, if I'm guessing right. I hope that Shichibukai is like really evil and as powerful (if not more powerful) than Mihawk (and plase, no screaming Mihawk fans at me… I'm guessing).
No-ones going to shout at you they'll just shower you with logic. Zoro always fights the 2nd strongest so that makes mihawk the most likely 2nd stongest.
Unless you want to go by the theory that mihawk is one of the weaker characters in OP because he hasn't shown us anything special (according to a select few). Which means when zoro defeats him his final opponent will be someone else, which I think is rather pointless.
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No-ones going to shout at you they'll just shower you with logic. Zoro always fights the 2nd strongest so that makes mihawk the most likely 2nd stongest.
Unless you want to go by the theory that mihawk is one of the weaker characters in OP because he hasn't shown us anything special (according to a select few). Which means when zoro defeats him his final opponent will be someone else, which I think is rather pointless.
Shower me with logic?
Wasn't it you that suggested that Luffy will fight Blackbeard, but after beating him another villian will emerge? Well… one of the remaining yet unknwon Shichibukai could be him/ her.
Plus... if Luffy and Zoro are equal, that doesn't mean their opponants are going to be. I think Mihawk and Zoro will have an equal fight, but Zoro will win. I think Luffy and his opponant's match will be different. Luffy will be getting owned, then start getting into the fight and win.
EDIT: I don't want to argue about Zoro and Luffy being equal.
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No-ones going to shout at you they'll just shower you with logic.
LOL
there nothing to argue sabz they are equal.
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@$abZ:
Shower me with logic?
Wasn't it you that suggested that Luffy will fight Blackbeard, but after beating him another villian will emerge? Well… one of the remaining yet unknwon Shichibukai could be him/ her.
I clearly marked that as theory, we haven't seen enough of the big timers yet to find a definite last villain. There are alot of people who see someone in action and suddenly think he's God.
Plus… if Luffy and Zoro are equal, that doesn't mean their opponants are going to be.
So what?
Luffy and zoro's opponents have never been equal so far, why should their final enemies be? Maybe on the final page of OP in the distance we'll see this phrase
zoro-"Fists or Swords, we never got to see which is stronger"
luffy- "want to settle the score?"
I think Mihawk and Zoro will have an equal fight, but Zoro will win. I think Luffy and his opponant's match will be different. Luffy will be getting owned, then start getting into the fight and win.
I don't have a clue, I'll wait a and see.
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there nothing to argue sabz they are equal.
All the proof you guys have provided isn't good enough to PROOVE anything. The 2 minute fight, the attributes… yawn.
6... as a rough estimate. Do you know what the scale between 6 and 6.1 would be... being only a division of 6 for attributes. It'd be a lot of difference.
AT THIS POINT IT'S DIFFICULT TO TELL, AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FACTS TO HAVE A PROPER DEBATE ABOUT IT.
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@$abZ:
All the proof you guys have provided isn't good enough to PROOVE anything. The 2 minute fight, the attributes… yawn.
6... as a rough estimate. Do you know what the scale between 6 and 6.1 would be... being only a division of 6 for attributes. It'd be a lot of difference.
Well its canon….................and you have what guess work?????
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Well its canon….................and you have what guess work?????
I know it's canon… you just haven't understood what I've said. You're not thinking closely enough. If the attributes were at a scale of 1,000,000... then the difference in decimals is very little. If it's out of 6, the decimal difference is very high. See what I mean?
So, both Zoro and Luffy being at 6 just means they're around about the same sort of power (in terms of stage). Doesn't mean they're completely even.
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ignore him guys,don't close this thread cuz he is off topic and can't back up his words (who am i talking for?)
anyway back on topic,the toughest the SH faced is definately aokiji,he owned zoro,sanji and luffy easily
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@$abZ:
All the proof you guys have provided isn't good enough to PROOVE anything. The 2 minute fight, the attributes… yawn.
So a fight which wasn't needed in the series put in by Oda isn't good enough? Attributes written by Oda who has already written the end of his story, do not count?
Zoro dodging both jabura and kaku with usopp as a handicap, that doesn't show how stronger he is?
6… as a rough estimate. Do you know what the scale between 6 and 6.1 would be... being only a division of 6 for attributes. It'd be a lot of difference.
There is an actual pie chart type thing of the stats and 6 fills up all the space, you cannot go any higher until one piece yellow book and that's if they go higher.
AT THIS POINT IT'S DIFFICULT TO TELL, AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FACTS TO HAVE A PROPER DEBATE ABOUT IT.
Plenty of facts you just choose to speculate and I think. Instead of reading the facts and acknowledge them.
TO ANY MODS READING SABZ HAS TAKEN THIS OFF TOPIC, I JUST CANNOT RESIST REPLYING.
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@$abZ:
I know it's canon… you just haven't understood what I've said. You're not thinking closely enough. If the attributes were at a scale of 1,000,000… then the difference in decimals is very little. If it's out of 6, the decimal difference is very high. See what I mean?
So, both Zoro and Luffy being at 6 just means they're around about the same sort of power (in terms of stage). Doesn't mean they're completely even.
Its canon that says they are equal. period
You said you know its canon….......why are you ignoring canon???????
They are equal.
We are off topic lets take this to the shanks and grap thread.
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TO ANY MODS READING SABZ HAS TAKEN THIS OFF TOPIC, I JUST CANNOT RESIST REPLYING.
Telling on me? XD. C'mon… you can't really stoop that low.
Oh... btw, you took it off-topic... I only suggested that another Shichibukai could be stronger than Mihawk, thus being THE TOUGHEST OBSTACLE. You started the "shower you with logic" which related to Luffy and Zoro being equal.
EDIT: WHITEBEARD, I don't want to argue with you. It's pointless because you ignore what I say. OIP is more fun to argue with XD.
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@$abZ:
EDIT: WHITEBEARD, I don't want to argue with you. It's pointless because you ignore what I say. OIP is more fun to argue with XD.
you ignore canon….......................what you say is pontless when Oda has said they are equal.
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you ignore canon….......................what you say is pontless when Oda has said they are equal.
I don't ignore canon. Oda hasn't directly said it. No more replying to you.
I just want to say that Mihawk can possibly be surpassed, thus a tougher obstacle arriving. The pie chart OIP was talking about… there is no decimal option for it, so the space covering 6 HAS to be the same. Oda hasn't gone into decimal detail... he's just labelled them around about 6... which cannot be bigger or smaller on the pie chart.
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@$abZ:
I don't ignore canon. Oda hasn't directly said it. No more replying to you.
I just want to say that Mihawk can possibly be surpassed, thus a tougher obstacle arriving. The pie chart OIP was talking about… there is no decimal option for it, so the space covering 6 HAS to be the same. Oda hasn't gone into decimal detail... he's just labelled them around about 6... which cannot be bigger or smaller on the pie chart.
this is moved to my thread,anyone in charge please delete the off-topicness and not lock this up
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Or do lock it. Whatever floats your boat.
