About what shanks and garp said and asura

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@Gaiyae:

….if that 6 really deceided everything between him and luffy. That means they'll never would have become any stronger. Because they'll always just stay at 6..

No it means they are on 6 for strength compared to the other strawhats, they will and have gotten stronger. However their strength (which in manga's means how good a fighter you are) is the only one on 6 showing their superiority to the other strawhats.

I don't really think you can really compare ANY strawhat. I mean ..it wouldn't suprise me if zoro lost against some really good sniper (von auger/Jasopp) , and later on Usopp would beat that same sniper. Does this automaticly mean Usopp > Zoro ? Or are many of you Zoro fanboys seriously going to say, Zoro can beat every enemy that Usopp can beat?!

Usopp cannot beat luffy so he cannot beat zoro, therefore if someone beats zoro they will also beat luffy since they are equal.

Face it.. strength doesn't always determine a win in OP!

Strength in manha's is fighting ability, if someones is higher than yours you lose no matter the style. If you were correct about styles being a factor, luffy would lose to anyone with a sword.

And about the the facts:

• The 6 of strength doesn't determine everything in battle.

So how good a fighter you are doesn't determine anything? Read this thread everything you said has been discussed

• Mihawk stated that Luffy's goal was higher then Zoro's.. so if Luffy would like to have his goal achieved.. he HAS to end up stronger then Zoro.

No to being the PK is harder because you need to find ONE PIECE which the strongest man in the world hasn't found in 22 years. If you had to be the strongest to be PK, then roger wouldn't be PK.

Why? Because whitebeard equaled him, meaning he wasn't the strongest.

• Luffy has a higher bounty, althought the bounty doesn't say everything about power.

Luffy's bounty means nothing, he has just been seen doing more making him a bigger threat.

As for me.. I think all strawhats are equel in there own way.

That's nice…. too bad ODA doesn't.

[Phenomenol]

Haaa….sits back and watches as OIP owns you people.

[GoAnderson]

… owns... how, exactly? Touting a single digit as undeniable gospel? Insulting his rivals with supposed fact? Color me unimpressed.

First point, being the number "6" which you've been bickering about. It's a six. It's a six. As some have said before me (valiant souls, all), I believe, Oda's placing someone on a rough tier is far from a concrete power level. If it was, say, 1,000 and both were equal, I'd think you would have more room to argue. As it stands, it's a single-digit numeral.

Second point, being the relative "who can beat who" stuff. I don't find it very impressive, Shonen or not. Saying that one person can beat another person is all well and good… but will they ever fight? Will we ever see? Until Oda delivers some concrete proof, hey, I've got facts on my side.

I don't read this thread thoroughly as, frankly, you people -- all of you bickering -- give me a migraine. Rather than saying "read the thread," why can't you sum it up for me? It's just a copy-paste job, I think.

[SabZ]

@GoAnderson:

… owns... how, exactly? Touting a single digit as undeniable gospel? Insulting his rivals with supposed fact? Color me unimpressed.

First point, being the number "6" which you've been bickering about. It's a six. It's a six. As some have said before me (valiant souls, all), I believe, Oda's placing someone on a rough tier is far from a concrete power level. If it was, say, 1,000 and both were equal, I'd think you would have more room to argue. As it stands, it's a single-digit numeral.

Second point, being the relative "who can beat who" stuff. I don't find it very impressive, Shonen or not. Saying that one person can beat another person is all well and good… but will they ever fight? Will we ever see? Until Oda delivers some concrete proof, hey, I've got facts on my side.

I agree.

OIP isn't OWNING people, because if he did… they would not have been able to reply with anything. They don't ignore things OIP says, OIP... and especially Phenomenol and WB, ignore things we say or reply with things that we just argued against.

[Phenomenol]

@GoAnderson:

… owns... how, exactly? Touting a single digit as undeniable gospel? Insulting his rivals with supposed fact? Color me unimpressed.

Color me bored….....supposed facts?:wassat: OIP has been going off ACTUAL facts from the data books and the Luffy vs. Zoro fight in the manga. BTW, the manga supports that "single digit" you people dred and hate.

First point, being the number "6" which you've been bickering about. It's a six. It's a six. As some have said before me (valiant souls, all), I believe, Oda's placing someone on a rough tier is far from a concrete power level. If it was, say, 1,000 and both were equal, I'd think you would have more room to argue. As it stands, it's a single-digit numeral.

Yeah, A single digit that gagues the strength of the Strawhat Crew, and Luffy and Zoro's strength was 6.

I don't read this thread thoroughly as, frankly, you people – all of you bickering -- give me a migraine. Rather than saying "read the thread," why can't you sum it up for me? It's just a copy-paste job, I think.

They say that the data book is just a rough estimation…..They say that fight Luffy and Zoro had was too short.......They say that Luffy is stronger than Zoro because of his Gears.......And I say They are simply speculating!

@$abz:

I agree.

OIP isn't OWNING people, because if he did… they would not have been able to reply with anything. They don't ignore things OIP says, OIP... and especially Phenomenol and WB, ignore things we say or reply with things that we just argued against.

You are a glutton for punishemnt, You guys don't reply you RECYCLE your argument over and over as if it were fact. Also OIP and Phenomenol don't ignore anything we address everything. BTW, WHITEBEARD is No longer with us I don't know why you keep saying that.

[DemonX]

^and i say that the dates in the data books can change over times and that you can´t argument alll the time with the same old argument/date/whatever even if it was written by the autor

[Gaiyae]

No it means they are on 6 for strength compared to the other strawhats, they will and have gotten stronger. However their strength (which in manga's means how good a fighter you are) is the only one on 6 showing their superiority to the other strawhats. And like i said before.. Nami could've never beaten Califa that way.

I want some more info about this one… If strenght really determed everything, i wonder why ODA even bothered to put things like DEX in... And althought you fanboys like Zoro so much, you can't ever say he had more DEX than lets say Usopp.

Usopp cannot beat luffy so he cannot beat zoro, therefore if someone beats zoro they will also beat luffy since they are equal.
Haha, you pulled that one out of your ass.. Usopp NEVER fought Zoro, so how would you know?

Strength in manha's is fighting ability, if someones is higher than yours you lose no matter the style. If you were correct about styles being a factor, luffy would lose to anyone with a sword.

If you where right, Nami would've never beating califa, and Usopp would've never beaten one of Arlongs merman. And Zoro would've beaten Enel .
So how good a fighter you are doesn't determine anything? Read this thread everything you said has been discussed.
I sure did.. but when people come with arguments like "if zoro used water on his sword he would probably beat crocodile with one hit" i just can't hold myself in. I mean come on , Crocodile was one of the Shikibukai. :getlost:

No to being the PK is harder because you need to find ONE PIECE which the strongest man in the world hasn't found in 22 years. If you had to be the strongest to be PK, then roger wouldn't be PK.

Why? Because whitebeard equaled him, meaning he wasn't the strongest.

Excuse me when im wrong.. But Roger earned his PK title alot different then Luffy.. He got everything in the world.. Making him PK. Was it ever said that he found OP. If that is so maybe he created it. But im not completely sure of this argument myself

Luffy's bounty means nothing, he has just been seen doing more making him a bigger threat.

Not completely nothing. If you look at it.. everyone in OP with a bounty as high as Luffy, are incredible warriors. For now i didn't see any exceptions on this rule! And i know Nico Robin had a 79 milion bounty when she still was young. But people with the amount of bounty that Luffy has, all are incredible strong. Or can you prove otherwise?

That's nice…. too bad ODA doesn't.

We can't say this now. But i seriously don't think so. Or else Luffy could've just as good get only incredible strong Nakama. But i think your going to pull a "krillin" on me about this comment.

[AlmostLegendary]

@ONEinchPUNCH:

Usopp cannot beat luffy so he cannot beat zoro, therefore if someone beats zoro they will also beat luffy since they are equal.

I don't think that is true. I find it pretty hard to believe that zoro could have beaten crocodile, lucci, enel or arlong. They may have the same strength that doesn't put them on the fighting level though.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

Well done $abz and GoAnderson for using no fact withs your post, theres some good ideas in there but no facts.

Me and phenomenol are using ODA's direct words, if we are wrong then so is ODA.

@$abZ:

I agree.

OIP isn't OWNING people, because if he did… they would not have been able to reply with anything. They don't ignore things OIP says, OIP... and especially Phenomenol and WB, ignore things we say or reply with things that we just argued against.

We don't ignore your theories they are quite good but you are trying to place your theories above ODA's facts. You claim we ignore your theories while you are blatently ignoring ODA's facts.

Also why are you people constantly talking about WHITEBEARD? Did he leave that much of a wound in your fanboyish theories that you had no choice but to get him banned.

Instead of talking behind the guy's back I suggest you get his e-mail or something and allow him the pleasure of destroying your theories again.

@MonkeyDMalcolm:

I don't think that is true. I find it pretty hard to believe that zoro could have beaten crocodile, lucci, enel or arlong. They may have the same strength that doesn't put them on the fighting level though.

Where are the facts to back up anything of what you posted?

@Gaiyae:

No it means they are on 6 for strength compared to the other strawhats, they will and have gotten stronger. However their strength (which in manga's means how good a fighter you are) is the only one on 6 showing their superiority to the other strawhats. And like i said before.. Nami could've never beaten Califa that way.

It shows nami's fighting ability is greater than califa's since nami won.

> I want some more info about this one… If strenght really determed everything, i wonder why ODA even bothered to put things like DEX in... And althought you fanboys like Zoro so much, you can't ever say he had more DEX than lets say Usopp.

Dex can be used for more many things, while fighting ability is used for fights.

Usopp cannot beat luffy so he cannot beat zoro, therefore if someone beats zoro they will also beat luffy since they are equal.

Haha, you pulled that one out of your ass.. Usopp NEVER fought Zoro, so how would you know?

Luffy=Zoro if usopp can't beat luffy how the hell would he beat zoro.

Strength in manha's is fighting ability, if someones is higher than yours you lose no matter the style. If you were correct about styles being a factor, luffy would lose to anyone with a sword.

If you where right, Nami would've never beating califa, and Usopp would've never beaten one of Arlongs merman. And Zoro would've beaten Enel .

Nami's fighting ability must have been higher than califa since nami won, same with usopp. Zoro fought enel when he had his powers, luffy fought enel without his powers therefore lowering enels fighting ability.

Zoro fought a stronger version of enel, one which had lightning powers. Luffy fought one where his lightning powers were nulified, how hard is it to understand that?

So how good a fighter you are doesn't determine anything? Read this thread everything you said has been discussed.

I sure did.. but when people come with arguments like "if zoro used water on his sword he would probably beat crocodile with one hit" i just can't hold myself in. I mean come on , Crocodile was one of the Shikibukai. :getlost:

Crocodile had a higher fighting ability but once his power was nulified his fighting ability went down. This allowed luffy to win and it would have been the same for zoro.

**> Excuse me when im wrong.. But Roger earned his PK title alot different then Luffy.. He got everything in the world.. Making him PK. Was it ever said that he found OP. If that is so maybe he created it. But im not completely sure of this argument myself

So what? I just proved you wrong, you don't have to be the strongest to be PK

Luffy's bounty means nothing, he has just been seen doing more making him a bigger threat.

Not completely nothing. If you look at it.. everyone in OP with a bounty as high as Luffy, are incredible warriors. For now i didn't see any exceptions on this rule! And i know Nico Robin had a 79 milion bounty when she still was young. But people with the amount of bounty that Luffy has, all are incredible strong. Or can you prove otherwise?

Just because someone's bounty is lower it doesn't make them weaker, it just means they have done less against the WG. Bounty sometimes plays a factor but most of the time it doesn't.

That's nice…. too bad ODA doesn't.

We can't say this now. But i seriously don't think so. Or else Luffy could've just as good get only incredible strong Nakama. But i think your going to pull a "krillin" on me about this comment.

So you're disagreeing with ODA with your own theory, reminds me of $abz**

[gamistras]

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[DemonX]

@ONEinchPUNCH:

Where are the facts to back up anything of what you posted?

i don´t think you need facts for everything…
and i don´t think Zoro could have beat Enel at his level in Skypia (ok,if he´d get a super-mega-giga power-up he´d beat him *lol)

[Phenomenol]

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[SabZ]

Say if Luffy has gotten stronger than Zoro since the last chart, and Sanji is at 5. Oda would leave Zoro at 6 and Luffy would also be at 6, but Luffy would be stronger. That doesn't make them equal.

Use your logic when reading charts. Don't just look at the chart and say "OMFG!! 6! INSTANT EQUALS!!"

Use logic to come to the conclusion that it doesn't FULLY prove that they are equal, because 6 isn't a fixed number for their power.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@$abZ:

Say if Luffy has gotten stronger than Zoro since the last chart, and Sanji is at 5. Oda would leave Zoro at 6 and Luffy would also be at 6, but Luffy would be stronger. That doesn't make them equal.

If luffy is stronger than zoro Oda will show that, if he hasn't they will remain on equal numbers. And what do you car anyway? You said $%"$ the yellow book.

Use your logic when reading charts. Don't just look at the chart and say "OMFG!! 6! INSTANT EQUALS!!"

No I should look at it through your eyes where 6 doesn't equal 6

Use logic to come to the conclusion that it doesn't FULLY prove that they are equal, because 6 isn't a fixed number for their power.

6 is the maximum, if it goes any higher they will escape the chart. Only the yellow book will show if one is stronger than the other by having a new chart. If he uses the same chart and shows 6 for both of them it proves once again that they are equals.

[Gaiyae]

Me and phenomenol are using ODA's direct words, if we are wrong then so is ODA.
We don't ignore your theories they are quite good but you are trying to place your theories above ODA's facts. You claim we ignore your theories while you are blatently ignoring ODA's facts.
Your just speculating.. I get the feeling that you 2 want it this way, just because you like Zoro so much.. I want FACTS.. things that you dont seem to give..

It shows nami's fighting ability is greater than califa's since nami won.

How the HELL do you know, it was NEVER stated. Quit making FACTS out of thin air. I think you keep confusing OP with some anime made by Akira Toriyama. Oda never stated that STRENGTH was everything. HE NEVER DID, and unless its proven otherwise.. you cant come up with those fake facts of yours.

Dex can be used for more many things, while fighting ability is used for fights.

Agreed, but it still is used in combat… Same goes for smarts. Your talking like it's impossible to outsmart anyone in OP because strenght cant be overcome by brawn in OP (like nami did with Califa) . That was never stated.. And if nami was so strong... how can she couldn't move as fast as Califa? Strength had to do with every fighting ability right? Where talking about ODA here, not Akira Toriyama.

Luffy=Zoro if usopp can't beat luffy how the hell would he beat zoro.

So your telling.. that lets say Usopp battles von Auger.. that he may have a tough battle. But when Zoro would battle von Auger, he'd kill von Auger in one hit, or it would be a really easy match for him.. Somehow i doubt that. Or else ODA wouldnt constantly put people of the same type against each other. Like Swordsmen vs Zorro, Marshal artist vs Sanji etc. Or maybe nami and Usopp should just leave battle next time ..going with your theory, they don't even have to fight. Since Zoro probably would kill Usopp and Nami's enemy's with one hit because of his "powerlevel"

Nami's fighting ability must have been higher than califa since nami won, same with usopp. Zoro fought enel when he had his powers, luffy fought enel without his powers therefore lowering enels fighting ability.

Zoro fought a stronger version of enel, one which had lightning powers. Luffy fought one where his lightning powers were nulified, how hard is it to understand that?

Yes, of course.. now i get it. Enel used his first form, and he later powered up into Final form Freez… uhh i mean Enel. Your pulling those facts out of nothing..

Crocodile had a higher fighting ability but once his power was nulified his fighting ability went down. This allowed luffy to win and it would have been the same for zoro.

Where do you get that info from.. Do you seriously believe that Crocodile became a Shicibukai by having such a easy weakness?! Come on.. you just WANT to believe that, because you like Zoro so much.
Just because someone's bounty is lower it doesn't make them weaker, it just means they have done less against the WG. Bounty sometimes plays a factor but most of the time it doesn't.
That was never stated to be true for the real high bounty's at which i was aiming.

So you're disagreeing with ODA with your own theory, reminds me of $abz
Im disagreeing with facts you like to take from DBZ and put them into OP.

[Phenomenol]

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[SabZ]

OIP, prove to me that Oda made 6 = 6 as equals, instead of using maths and making it a sixth. Prove to me that it isn't a fixed number.

Until you don't, you're speculating that he has made them equal.

EDIT: Phenomenol… there's no point you posting, leave it to OIP.

[wolfwood]

@Gaiyae:

How the HELL do you know, it was NEVER stated. Quit making FACTS out of thin air. I think you keep confusing OP with some anime made by Akira Toriyama. Oda never stated that STRENGTH was everything. HE NEVER DID, and unless its proven otherwise.. you cant come up with those fake facts of yours.

and thats kinda what i was getting on a couple of pages back albeit a little less aggresivly that we dont know that the rating Strength=fighting ability which is why i find it pretty amusing how OIP is riding about on his high horses preaching what he belives to be facts and putting down anyone who disagrees with his interpertation of the chart.

but like what someone else already said a while back its not like one side is just gonna back down so this is getting kinda pointless.

[Phenomenol]

Can you plese use the quote system?

@Gaiyae:

Your just speculating.. I get the feeling that you 2 want it this way, just because you like Zoro so much.. I want FACTS.. things that you dont seem to give..

WTF?:wassat: We are giving you facts stright from the manga and character guides. I am not a fan of Zoro nor Luffy, just pointing out the obvious.

Agreed, but it still is used in combat… Same goes for smarts. Your talking like it's impossible to outsmart anyone in OP because strenght cant be overcome by brawn in OP (like nami did with Califa) . That was never stated.. And if nami was so strong... how can she couldn't move as fast as Califa? Strength had to do with every fighting ability right? Where talking about ODA here, not Akira Toriyama.How the HELL do you know, it was NEVER stated. Quit making FACTS out of thin air. I think you keep confusing OP with some anime made by Akira Toriyama. Oda never stated that STRENGTH was everything. HE NEVER DID, and unless its proven otherwise.. you cant come up with those fake facts of yours.

Are you watching or reading One Piece with your eye's closed? Strength is usually everything in Luffy and Zoro's battles! Don't try and compare Nami or Ussopp's battles and dreams with Zoro's or Luffy's. Your trying to fit a square into a circle. BTW Akira Toriyama is "GOD" in Oda Eiichiro's eye's, hell in many manga writers eye's. He did change the manga genre!!!!!

So your telling.. that lets say Usopp battles von Auger.. that he may have a tough battle. But when Zoro would battle von Auger, he'd kill von Auger in one hit, or it would be a really easy match for him.. Somehow i doubt that. Or else ODA wouldnt constantly put people of the same type against each other. Like Swordsmen vs Zorro, Marshal artist vs Sanji etc. Or maybe nami and Usopp should just leave battle next time ..going with your theory, they don't even have to fight. Since Zoro probably would kill Usopp and Nami's enemy's with one hit because of his "powerlevel"

Luffy was holding back against Ussop, all the DEXTERITY in the world could not save Ussop from a beat down. The same would be with Zoro he would kill Ussop easily.

Yes, of course.. now i get it. Enel used his first form, and he later powered up into Final form Freez… uhh i mean Enel. Your pulling those facts out of nothing..

Listen, what he is saying is if Luffy was NOT rubber he would end up like Zoro.

@Wolfwood:

and thats kinda what i was getting on a couple of pages back albeit a little less aggresivly that we dont know that the rating Strength=fighting ability which is why i find it pretty amusing how OIP is riding about on his high horses preaching what he belives to be facts and putting down anyone who disagrees with his interpertation of the chart.

but like what someone else already said a while back its not like one side is just gonna back down so this is getting kinda pointless.

Strength in anime/manga is OVERALL power!!! Look at Whitebeard's STRONGEST man in the World title!!! Or when people like Freeza state that they are the STRONGEST in the universe it means just that OVERALL power.

[GoAnderson]

After having read everyone's arguments for the last ten pages, I think I've pretty much decided that it's a lost fight. I have no hope of convincing you, nor do I have hope of relating to you my opinion. Even so, I've got nothing better to do than to fight on, now, do I?

What I read was mainly "6=6" with only rarely anything else to back it up. From what I can tell, I'd say your main argument is that: 1) Luffy and Zoro fought to kill at Whisky Peak, didn't overcome one another, and thus are equal; 2) Whitebeard is Uber and cannot be beaten in a fight by anyone introduced thus far; 3) The number Six equals Six in any possible context.

Point One - Luffy and Zoro claimed that they fought to kill. Maybe they did fight to kill. I won't make any assumptions, as you say you aren't. However, the fact is that they didn't kill each other. The fact is that one punch each from Nami ended the fight, and thereafter only marginal resistance was given. That is the facts that I've seen in the fight.

Point Two - Whitebeard is invincible. Saying that he's "The World's Strongest Man" is all well and good, and even Oda's intro box for him indicates that he's strong, but strength is still relative. Do you mean that he's the strongest fighter physically? Mentally? Emotionally? The ultimate in every category possible, and thus undefeatable? I don't honestly think that's what you're saying, but if you are, I will have to question it.

Point Three - Six equals six. It's a number; one digit, one stroke of the pen. I'll ask you: Do you know that Oda meant what you believe he meant? I don't. I don't know what he based the chart off of, and I don't believe any of us would precisely.

Now… I'll admit I suck at debating. I have no individual ideas on such things, and I'm a wretched human being. Even so, your behavior towards others is more than a tad annoying. The least I can do is try to return the favor.

[SabZ]

Let me re-post something, just for my good friend OIP.

"OIP, prove to me that Oda made 6 = 6 as equals, instead of using maths and making it a sixth. Prove to me that it isn't a fixed number.

Until you don't, you're speculating that he has made them equal."

[Phenomenol]

@$abz:And let me requote myself for something that you did NOT address. This is the answer

@Phenomenol:

Prove to me that Oda wipes his @#%&* with his left hand? If it is NOT written down in the data book or the manga it can NOT be discussed. .

^^^^

[SabZ]

@Phenomenol:

Prove to me that Oda wipes his @#%&* with his left hand? If it is NOT written down in the data book or the manga it can NOT be discussed. .

Lol… this supports my theory.

Since Oda didn't write "Hey, 6=6 btw and I did no maths", that means you guys are speculating too.

That answer is no good.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@$abZ:

OIP, prove to me that Oda made 6 = 6 as equals, instead of using maths and making it a sixth. Prove to me that it isn't a fixed number.

Until you don't, you're speculating that he has made them equal.

Why do I need to prove anything? You are making up theories, I'm reading chart that Oda made. Like final ends post said earlier if Oda did that why is there no indication of it?

EDIT: Phenomenol… there's no point you posting, leave it to OIP.

He's owns you with each post, are you trying to not get owned by telling him not to post?

@Gaiyae:

Me and phenomenol are using ODA's direct words, if we are wrong then so is ODA.
We don't ignore your theories they are quite good but you are trying to place your theories above ODA's facts. You claim we ignore your theories while you are blatently ignoring ODA's facts.

Your just speculating.. I get the feeling that you 2 want it this way, just because you like Zoro so much.. I want FACTS.. things that you dont seem to give..

I couldn't give a crap about any character, if your're talking about my sig that's just the coolest move I've seen that resembles life in the way he moves.

It shows nami's fighting ability is greater than califa's since nami won.

How the HELL do you know, it was NEVER stated. Quit making FACTS out of thin air. I think you keep confusing OP with some anime made by Akira Toriyama. Oda never stated that STRENGTH was everything. HE NEVER DID, and unless its proven otherwise.. you cant come up with those fake facts of yours.

Sanji effortlessly blocked kalifa and could have easily defeated her, she wasn't that much of a strong fighter. Nmai beat her because she was a better fighter, she wouldn't have won if she was weaker.

Isn't that obvious?

Dex can be used for more many things, while fighting ability is used for fights.

Agreed, but it still is used in combat… Same goes for smarts. Your talking like it's impossible to outsmart anyone in OP because strenght cant be overcome by brawn in OP (like nami did with Califa) . That was never stated.. And if nami was so strong... how can she couldn't move as fast as Califa? Strength had to do with every fighting ability right? Where talking about ODA here, not Akira Toriyama.

Fighting ability will use whatever traits they have, it's quite neccessary for a swordsman to need more dex than a brawler.

Luffy=Zoro if usopp can't beat luffy how the hell would he beat zoro.

So your telling.. that lets say Usopp battles von Auger.. that he may have a tough battle. But when Zoro would battle von Auger, he'd kill von Auger in one hit, or it would be a really easy match for him.. Somehow i doubt that. Or else ODA wouldnt constantly put people of the same type against each other. Like Swordsmen vs Zorro, Marshal artist vs Sanji etc. Or maybe nami and Usopp should just leave battle next time ..going with your theory, they don't even have to fight. Since Zoro probably would kill Usopp and Nami's enemy's with one hit because of his "powerlevel"

Luffy battles the captain doesn't matter what style they use, zoro fights swordsman because he wants to be the best swordsman and sanji just seems to get the leftovers.

Nami and usopps fights are jokes compared to luffy and zoro's, do yourself a favour and don't compare jokes to serious fights.

Nami's fighting ability must have been higher than califa since nami won, same with usopp. Zoro fought enel when he had his powers, luffy fought enel without his powers therefore lowering enels fighting ability.

Zoro fought a stronger version of enel, one which had lightning powers. Luffy fought one where his lightning powers were nulified, how hard is it to understand that?

Yes, of course.. now i get it. Enel used his first form, and he later powered up into Final form Freez… uhh i mean Enel. Your pulling those facts out of nothing..

No zoro fought enel+electricty, luffy fought enel-electricity which enel has a higher fighting ability? That is obvious it's in the damn manga an enel who can't use his powers fights luffy.

If you took zoro's swords away from him his fighting ability would go down. If you took luffy's DF away his fighting ability would go down. It's the same for enel, his DF was basically taken away.

Crocodile had a higher fighting ability but once his power was nulified his fighting ability went down. This allowed luffy to win and it would have been the same for zoro.

Where do you get that info from.. Do you seriously believe that Crocodile became a Shicibukai by having such a easy weakness?! Come on.. you just WANT to believe that, because you like Zoro so much.

Once against enels DF was voided this obviously lowers his fighting ability, if you say it doesn't you're in denial. All logia's have a weakness so are they all weak? Even Ao kiji?

Just because someone's bounty is lower it doesn't make them weaker, it just means they have done less against the WG. Bounty sometimes plays a factor but most of the time it doesn't.

That was never stated to be true for the real high bounty's at which i was aiming.

It's proven by the fact zoro=luffy and luffy's bounty is higher than zoro's.

So you're disagreeing with ODA with your own theory, reminds me of $abz

Im disagreeing with facts you like to take from DBZ and put them into OP.

No you are disagreeing with The red data book, which are Oda's direct words.

[Phenomenol]

@$abz:

Lol… this supports my theory.

Since Oda didn't write "Hey, 6=6 btw and I did no maths", that means you guys are speculating too.That answer is no good.

SIG MATERIAL!!!!…........

Wrong, don't try and twist my post around. You saying that Oda used a rough estimation is bullocks. 6=6 which means SAME, EQUAL; If I have six jelly beans in one hand and I have six in the other that means that the BALANCE IS EQUAL!!!!!

[SabZ]

@ONEinchPUNCH:

Why do I need to prove anything?

HAHA!!

I'll leave it at that.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[Phenomenol]

Thanks for ignoring my post!….. ^^^

[SabZ]

@Phenomenol:

Thanks for ignoring my post!….. ^^^

Nah… it wasn't really good enough to reply too.

It's just the same thing "6 equals 6"... and I've said everything about how that may not be correct, in Oda's view.

Prove to me what his true intentions were. Prove to me he didn't use maths. Prove to me that he actually meant Luffy = Zoro with the number 6, which is low.

Prove it with a statement from Oda.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@$abZ:

HAHA!!

I'll leave it at that.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Why do I have to prove your theory right? I read the read book and saw 6=6 if you lack reading abilities that's not my fault.

Oh and nice one on ignoring anything that proves you wrong including phenomenals post

I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT

[Phenomenol]

MORE sig material…........

@$abZ:

Nah… it wasn't really good enough to reply too.

@$abZ:

I agree. OIP isn't OWNING people, because if he did… they would not have been able to reply with anything.

You just owned yourself!

Prove to me what his true intentions were. Prove to me he didn't use maths. Prove to me that he actually meant Luffy = Zoro with the number 6, which is low.

Prove it with a statement from Oda.

Because the manga battle supports is "low number."

[SabZ]

@ONEinchPUNCH:

Why do I have to prove your theory right? I read the read book and saw 6=6 if you lack reading abilities that's not my fault.

Oh and nice one on ignoring anything that proves you wrong including phenomenals post

I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT

If you can't prove your own theory… which is what I asked you to do... you're speculating.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@$abZ:

If you can't prove your own theory… which is what I asked you to do... you're speculating.

This comment makes you look so stupid, a theory is something you invent. I've read Oda's data book and used direct info from that, you claim this to be speculation?

Oh and READ PHENOMENALS POST ABOVE, You'll look even worse

[SabZ]

Not as stupid as you looked with your reply to this…

" OIP, prove to me that Oda made 6 = 6 as equals, instead of using maths and making it a sixth. Prove to me that it isn't a fixed number.

Until you don't, you're speculating that he has made them equal."

If you manage to prove this, that means you have proved your own theory. If you can't, that means you are speculating.

And with Phenomenol... he played around with the meaning of the post. Not replying to something good... is what I meant. Phenomenol's posts aren't particularly good. Nice try in making me look stupid.

EDIT: No time to stay and chat. I'm off.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@$abZ:

Not as stupid as you looked with your reply to this…

" OIP, prove to me that Oda made 6 = 6 as equals, instead of using maths and making it a sixth. Prove to me that it isn't a fixed number.

He doesn't say anything about your maths, so your proof is non-exsistant. I read the book so if the book says luffy=6 and zoro=6 it can only mean what is written down. Twist this around as much as you want but It won't change what the red book says.

Until you don't, you're speculating that he has made them equal."

Reading facts is not speculating, making up theories is speculating something you seem to love.

If you manage to prove this, that means you have proved your own theory. If you can't, that means you are speculating.

The proof is in the book if you ignore it that isn't my problem.

And with Phenomenol… he played around with the meaning of the post. Not replying to something good... is what I meant. Phenomenol's posts aren't particularly good. Nice try in making me look stupid.

Earlier you explained the meaning of being owned, you said it's when someone says something and you are unable to reply to them.

It seems phenomenal has done just that.

EDIT: No time to stay and chat. I'm off.

MOTD eh? So if two teams score and it's 1-1 would that be a draw? Or will you use YOUR MATHS MAKING ONE TEAM WIN?

[Final End]

I see Sabz is still trying to say that he is best friends with Oda, and that the Red Data Book is wrong, b/c he and Oda were drinking the night, Oda made Red Data Book. Oda must of hit you up on speed dial and told you that the Data Book is a rough estimation, Huh? Sabz.

@Phenomenol:

Wrong, don't try and twist my post around. You saying that Oda used a rough estimation is bullocks. 6=6 which means SAME, EQUAL; If I have six jelly beans in one hand and I have six in the other that means that the BALANCE IS EQUAL!!!!!

Thats right Phenom…........ take them back to 1st grade.

[SabZ]

@ONEinchPUNCH:

He doesn't say anything about your maths, so your proof is non-exsistant. I read the book so if the book says luffy=6 and zoro=6 it can only mean what is written down. Twist this around as much as you want but It won't change what the red book says.

If he doesn't say anything, we can only speculate.

@ONEinchPUNCH:

Earlier you explained the meaning of being owned, you said it's when someone says something and you are unable to reply to them.

It seems phenomenal has done just that.

Did you even read my reply to this. I meant reply to something good. His post wasn't even good enough to reply to. It's not like I can't reply to it… infact I have replied to his post throughout this debate.

@ONEinchPUNCH:

MOTD eh? So if two teams score and it's 1-1 would that be a draw? Or will you use YOUR MATHS MAKING ONE TEAM WIN?

Actually, that's a good point. If Man Utd played West Ham Utd, and dominated the whole game… but West Ham got a late equaliser at the end, to make it 1-1, would that make the two teams overall equal? It would make the match outcome equal... but the teams... NO.

Luffy and Zoro are the same.

"OIP, prove to me that Oda made 6 = 6 as equals, instead of using maths and making it a sixth. Prove to me that it isn't a fixed number.

Until you don't, you're speculating that he has made them equal."

If you manage to prove this, that means you have proved your own theory. If you can't, that means you are speculating."

Oda wrote nothing... so you can only speculate, like I am.

[Radical jack]

Nobody is owning anybody.Is it to hard to understand when sombody says the same thing over and over again he tends to get ignored?Are views have already been stated over the 6=6 thing.your only saying phenomonal is owning people because he agrees with you

if some guy trys to force a religon on you and don't reply to his rubbish.Does that mean you got owned!

@phenomenol

Haaa….sits back and watches as OIP owns you people.

its posts like these that gets you ignored

MOTD eh? So if two teams score and it's 1-1 would that be a draw? Or will you use YOUR MATHS MAKING ONE TEAM WIN?

Edit:If you can only be allowed to score one point how can you prove their equal?

sorry sports reference isn't good

[Final End]

If he doesn't say anything, we can only speculate.

Luffy and Zoro are equals…..........no need to speculate.

Did you even read my reply to this. I meant reply to something good. His post wasn't even good enough to reply to. It's not like I can't reply to it… infact I have replied to his post throughout this debate.

LMAO thats a sad excuse…....your just mad because phenom took you back to 1st grade.

Actually, that's a good point. If Man Utd played West Ham Utd, and dominated the whole game… but West Ham got a late equaliser at the end, to make it 1-1, would that make the two teams overall equal? It would make the match outcome equal... but the teams... NO.

Well then Luffy and Zoro would be equals if they always tied….......:getlost:

"OIP, prove to me that Oda made 6 = 6 as equals, instead of using maths and making it a sixth. Prove to me that it isn't a fixed number.

Does it say any where in the Red Bata Book that the numbers are fixed???
NO!….....

Until you don't, you're speculating that he has made them equal."

6 and 6 are the same, equal….......did you not read phenom's post??? did you pay attention in 1st grade??

If you manage to prove this, that means you have proved your own theory. If you can't, that means you are speculating."

Well then time for you to sit back and come up with a new argument.

Oda wrote nothing… so you can only speculate, like I am.

LMAO

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@Radical:

Nobody is owning anybody.Is it to hard to understand when sombody says the same thing over and over again he tends to get ignored?Are views have already been stated over the 6=6 thing.your only saying phenomonal is owning people because he agrees with you

No I'm saying he's owning people because he absolutely rips your posts apart and you don't reply to him or you write some crap.

if some guy trys to force a religon on you and don't reply to his rubbish.Does that mean you got owned!

No it means religion isn't a fact, it's faith. A fact is something that is there and is proven like luffy and zoro's stats.

@phenomenol

its posts like these that gets you ignored

Why because your posts are so poor he doesn't even need to reply?

Edit:If you can only be allowed to score one point how can you prove their equal?

sorry sports reference isn't good

Let's use Oda's chart and not one of your win win situation charts

@$abZ:

If he doesn't say anything, we can only speculate.

Haha let's all go and deny facts.

Did you even read my reply to this. I meant reply to something good. His post wasn't even good enough to reply to. It's not like I can't reply to it… infact I have replied to his post throughout this debate.

Well his post beat yours, so ignoring just because you think it isn't good enough doesn't change the fact you didn't answer.

Actually, that's a good point. If Man Utd played West Ham Utd, and dominated the whole game… but West Ham got a late equaliser at the end, to make it 1-1, would that make the two teams overall equal? It would make the match outcome equal... but the teams... NO.

I'm talking score numbers not how the teams played.

Luffy and Zoro are the same.

"OIP, prove to me that Oda made 6 = 6 as equals, instead of using maths and making it a sixth. Prove to me that it isn't a fixed number.

Until you don't, you're speculating that he has made them equal."

If you manage to prove this, that means you have proved your own theory. If you can't, that means you are speculating."

Wrong, unlike you I'm not speculating I'm reading ODA's words. It's like him writing these two doors are blue and you say well one might be turquise blue.

Oda wrote nothing… so you can only speculate, like I am.

Oda wrote luffy-strength=6, zoro-strength=6, that is what I read I didn't speculate this because it's there. Yours isn't there in any way or form.

[SabZ]

@Final:

Luffy and Zoro are equals…..........no need to speculate.

Wow Final End, you really got me there. Like seriously… everything makes sense now.

Great reply.

EDIT: Oda wrote nothing about his intentions.

Your replies are so useless OIP.

[Radical jack]

Luffy and Zoro are equals…..........no need to speculate.

Post like these really own people

Edit:i guess you got to it before I did sabz

[Final End]

@$abZ:

Wow Final End, you really got me there. Like seriously… everything makes sense now.

Great reply.

I know I did…..b/c you only replied 2 that part of my post, all the other stuff made you look silly 2 the point you could not.

You too jack LMAO

[Radical jack]

No I'm saying he's owning people because he absolutely rips your posts apart and you don't reply to him or you write some crap

i guess since his "godly" posts rips me apart I'll continue replying to you since your posts always suck

No it means religion isn't a fact, it's faith. A fact is something that is there and is proven like luffy and zoro's stats.

the data book hasn't shown anything to prove thsy are equal

Why because your posts are so poor he doesn't even need to reply?

wow you guys love to kiss ass don't you?

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@Radical:

i guess since his "godly" posts rips me apart I'll continue replying to you since your posts always suck

Is that why I constantly prove you wrong and you either change the subject or reply with something else I prove wrong.

the data book still haven't proven anything

This post is garbage, how doesn't a data book wriiten by the guy who writes OP not proof?

wow you guys love to kiss ass don't you?

What's up you can't reply so you type some more garbage? I could say the same about you lot.

[Final End]

Funny how no one quotes this and trys to dismiss it…....

@Phenomenol:

Wrong, don't try and twist my post around. You saying that Oda used a rough estimation is bullocks. 6=6 which means SAME, EQUAL; If I have six jelly beans in one hand and I have six in the other that means that the BALANCE IS EQUAL!!!!!

Nuff said.

Edit:Stop flamming…....looks like you guys are trying to get this thread closed. (wonders why)

[SabZ]

Prove to me Oda didn't do maths but not explain it to us.

Did Oda actually say "hey, I didn't do maths, and Luffy and Zoro are equal because 6 is a fixed number"? No.

Prove it to me without saying "but 6=6" because 6 could be a sixth or the SHs power, which is a range of numbers, which can seperate two individuals in power.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@$abZ:

Prove to me Oda didn't do maths but not explain it to us.

Did Oda actually say "hey, I didn't do maths, and Luffy and Zoro are equal because 6 is a fixed number"? No.

Prove it to me without saying "but 6=6" because 6 could be a sixth or the SHs power, which is a range of numbers, which can seperate two individuals in power.

Why don't you just read it instead of creating theories?

[Nauykuyr]

@$abZ:

Prove to me Oda didn't do maths but not explain it to us.

Did Oda actually say "hey, I didn't do maths, and Luffy and Zoro are equal because 6 is a fixed number"? No.

Prove it to me without saying "but 6=6" because 6 could be a sixth or the SHs power, which is a range of numbers, which can seperate two individuals in power.

Don't try arguing with them, dude. You're wasting your time. They don't understand what implication logic and reasoning is.

[SabZ]

@Nauykuyr:

Don't try arguing with them, dude. You're wasting your time. They don't understand what implication logic and reasoning is.

Yeah they haven't proved what I asked them too. He asked me to read it, instead of actually using the chart to prove me wrong.

I can't help it though XD. We won a while back… I'll let them go on.

Go on OIP, WB and Phenomenol... say what you wish. Try to answer my above post too... if you can.

[Final End]

@$abZ:

Prove it to me without saying "but 6=6"

OMG! Thats like saying the sky is not blue, 6 = 6….........period
and Sabz are you trying to flame me by calling me WB?

Edit: and you want us to answer your post above?? you and Jack didnt even answer phenom post, but you want to ignore it and post as if you dismissed it already. I can see that your a rich kid, thats always getting his way.