About what shanks and garp said and asura

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@wolfwood:

okay so lets do this your way(well actualy finals but what the hey) show me where in the data book is specifys that the strength rating means fighting capabilities and not just strenght just do that small thing and ill admit it as a fact and not a speculation.

"Whoooaaa that guy is too strong!!!!" That is a typical manga statement, what does it mean? That he is the weight lifting champion? No it means that guy is on another level, too fast and strong for the character saying it.

Oda has been inspired by possibly the manga that says that quote the most DBZ, it's a typical shounen law. Oda has done this through whitebeard strength is in the data book, which was made after alabasta and after alabast the manga shows us whitebeard with 'Worlds strongest (STREBGTH) man" after his name.

How is that coincidence he introduced the two thing at basically the same time.

as i said above its not that im saying your wrong i just want you to admit that its as much speculation from your part as it is from ours.

"Whoooaaa that guy is too strong!!!!" That is a typical manga statement, what does it mean? That he is the weight lifting champion? No it means that guy is on another level, too fast and strong for the character saying it.

Oda has been inspired by possibly the manga that says that quote the most DBZ, it's a typical shounen law. Oda has done this through whitebeard, strength is in the data book, which was made after alabasta and after alabasta the manga shows us whitebeard with 'Worlds strongest (STRENGTH) man" after his name.

How is that coincidence he introduced the two thing at basically the same time.

Don't get me wrong when ODA states they aren't equal I will have no objections. But with all these facts pointing to them being equal, you'd have to be a fool not to see it

[wolfwood]

you both put forth very fine cases for the strength category to be fighting ability that are very viable but its still speculation, so if id were you id tone down the use of the word fact.

[GoAnderson]

And here I had thought that WHITEBEARD and psolaras being gone would help… Odd. Keep things to a simmer, ladies and gentlemen. No flaming, bashing, whatever, as per the rules of the forum... Much obliged.

You say that you're talking "fact." I'll admit that I haven't read this thread all the way through, nor do I have the motivation to look through this puerile bickering and poor grammar (not naming names). It just makes no sense to me that you'd take this so far over a bunch of semantic nonsense.

Now you may continue your regularly scheduled... stuff.

[Final End]

@wolfwood:

you both put forth very fine cases for the strength category to be fighting ability that are very viable but its still speculation, so if id were you id tone down the use of the word fact.

As I said before fighting ability falls under the word Strength,(in mangas/animes) because if what you say is true then when Cell is talking about unmatched strength he means physical, and I guess Whitebeard is the worlds strongest man because he can lift the most.

[bedrock]

@ONEinchPUNCH:

Oda has shown through the manga with the words "WORLDS STRONGEST MAN (STRENGTH)" that strength indeed means how good a fighter you are. If it didn't mean that whitebeard would just be some strong guy, which is false.
….

the same wording can have different meanings depending on the context (and in most cases is easily understood out of this context

1. "strongest man" in a gym most likely means he´s the best at benchpressing
2. "strongest man" in the pirate-world clearly means he´s the best killer
3. "STRENGTH" used in a chart alongside other personality-traits like INTELLIGENCE, DEXTERITY, CURIOSITY, etc. - not many people would come to think that this could be understood as fighting-ability

ONEinchPUNCH, did you ever have the slightest feeling that other interpretations of this wonderful statistic might be possible, perhaps even equally valid? (This is a real question, I´d very much appreciate if you could answer it.)

Perhaps Oda left things (fighting-ablility-wise) unclear on purpose? I think that is really one of his strengths and rather typical for his action - just look at all those handicaps in our heroes fights, they make it rather impossible to get some valid comparison of their "real" fighting ability.

@ Final End: You asked why I posted?
You asked a question - I answered it!
(Sorry if you didn´t like my flavour)

[Final End]

@bedrock:

@ Final End: You asked why I posted?
You asked a question - I answered it!
(Sorry if you didn´t like my flavour)

You said you didnt like this thread and didnt care for the debate (massacre)
yet you still posted??? I like your flavour:ninja:LOL

Again Oda didnt write fighting ablitiys because in mangas and animes that falls under the word strength, If it was physical, Oda would have wrote that down in the data book.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@bedrock:

the same wording can have different meanings depending on the context (and in most cases is easily understood out of this context

1. "strongest man" in a gym most likely means he´s the best at benchpressing
2. "strongest man" in the pirate-world clearly means he´s the best killer
3. "STRENGTH" used in a chart alongside other personality-traits like INTELLIGENCE, DEXTERITY, CURIOSITY, etc. - not many people would come to think that this could be understood as fighting-ability

"Whoooaaa that guy is too strong!!!!" That is a typical manga statement, what does it mean? That he is the weight lifting champion? No it means that guy is on another level, too fast and strong for the character saying it.

Oda has been inspired by possibly the manga that says that quote the most DBZ, it's a typical shounen law. Oda has done this through whitebeard, strength is in the data book, which was made after alabasta and after alabasta the manga shows us whitebeard with 'Worlds strongest (STRENGTH) man" after his name.

How is that coincidence he introduced the two thing at basically the same time.

I felt this explained it, there isn't really anything else I can say.

ONEinchPUNCH, did you ever have the slightest feeling that other interpretations of this wonderful statistic might be possible, perhaps even equally valid? (This is a real question, I´d very much appreciate if you could answer it.)

I'm all for listening to other peoples theories, I even have a few of my own sometimes. But when we are shown the whiskey peak fight and constant hints from the manga, including whitebeards title. It makes it pretty clear they are equal.

Each of them has greatly improved in each arc since whiskey peak, so if they were equal then and have each grown in strength, why aren't they now?

Luffy has Gears and zoro has asura/demon ki. Luffy says gear 2 and enters another state with new moves, I won't add gear 3 since it's too slow.

Zoro says asura and enters another state and from this state we have seen him name one move (can't remember the name, it was that attack used on kaku)

So they both have had massive improvements why aren't they still equal?

Perhaps Oda left things (fighting-ablility-wise) unclear on purpose? I think that is really one of his strengths and rather typical for his action - just look at all those handicaps in our heroes fights, they make it rather impossible to get some valid comparison of their "real" fighting ability.

It's a nice theory we all have our own but that will always be a guess, you have to go by what is written or at least until one of the two clearly show one is weaker than the other, be it through a statement or fight.

[bedrock]

@Final:

You said you didnt like this thread and didnt care for the debate (massacre)
yet you still posted??? I like your flavour:ninja:LOL

Again Oda didnt write fighting ablitiys because in mangas and animes that falls under the word strength, If it was physical, Oda would have wrote that down in the data book.

It´s often hard to tell what´s the background if someone doesn´t seem to get a single point, so I tend to be rather soft and understanding. Thanks for giving me some idea of your motivation - behave thee well, whoever you are …

goes off to test the ignore-button

[Ms. Suave Debonair]

@bedrock:

goes off to test the ignore-button

It's a life saver, believe me.

[bedrock]

@ONEinchPUNCH:

I'm all for listening to other peoples theories, I even have a few of my own sometimes. But when we are shown the whiskey peak fight and constant hints from the manga, including whitebeards title. It makes it pretty clear they are equal.

Each of them has greatly improved in each arc since whiskey peak, so if they were equal then and have each grown in strength, why aren't they now?

Luffy has Gears and zoro has asura/demon ki. Luffy says gear 2 and enters another state with new moves, I won't add gear 3 since it's too slow.

Zoro says asura and enters another state and from this state we have seen him name one move (can't remember the name, it was that attack used on kaku)

So they both have had massive improvements why aren't they still equal?

Good job in avoiding my question - is it really that painful to show your real face?

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@bedrock:

Good job in avoiding my question - is it really that painful to show your real face?

Avoiding what? I told you what I thought about theories, I'll tell you again if you want.

When shown all that information there is no speculating neccessary it clearly explains strength is fighting ability and 6=6. It's like someone arguing a blue door isn't blue.

If there were no information like the one I showed you I'd probably think like you. Oh and you did a pretty good job in ovoiding all the facts I showed you - is it really that painful to accept facts?

[Final End]

@bedrock:

It´s often hard to tell what´s the background if someone doesn´t seem to get a single point, so I tend to be rather soft and understanding. Thanks for giving me some idea of your motivation - behave thee well, whoever you are …

goes off to test the ignore-button

Thats nothing new…...alot of people use the "ignore-button" when canon is place in front of there theories. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, with the 6 = 6 statement and Odas chart form the Red Data Book.

[Gaiyae]

If strenght really would've effected all of the fighting ability's Nami would've never been able to defeat Califa. Same goes for Usopp and that merman at Arlong Park. People tend to compare this to DBZ , where strenght is everything. Im just glad Oda didn't make this anime like that

[Pants-eater]

Thats nothing new…...alot of people use the "ignore-button" when canon is place in front of there theories.

Yes, because Bad Beat is such a pussy weakling for being sick of such innane arguing over the number 6.

For Gods' sake, mangakas are not gods, they can make contradictions as well, look at Naruto.

[Kiden4911]

Ummm, I was gonna post about how good the original post was in this thread but it seems the said author got banned. Now I see people arguing about something I have no idea about.
Someone should post an "update" post in this kind of thread and explain just wth is going on since it seems interesting and i feel like joining in the fray. If someone can do that without writing a 5 page essay thatd be great. And sorry, but 42 pages is just too much for me to read…

[Angel emfrbl]

The most amazing thing is people are beconing everyone to get back on topic… And they have been ignored for the last 10 pages.

[taboo]

@Kiden4911:

Ummm, I was gonna post about how good the original post was in this thread but it seems the said author got banned. Now I see people arguing about something I have no idea about.
Someone should post an "update" post in this kind of thread and explain just wth is going on since it seems interesting and i feel like joining in the fray. If someone can do that without writing a 5 page essay thatd be great. And sorry, but 42 pages is just too much for me to read…

lol sure, I can do thatt. prepare to be amazed

Edit: Yes, that's much better. And more accurate!!

[Paulie]

Sounds accurate.

[bedrock]

Have mercy, please! Let it sink … please:blink:

[Archtyrant]

Haha..

For summary, basically now, or rather, some time ago (it stopped altogether alluva sudden, which is a good thing), people were discussing whether Luffy and Zoro are exactly equals in terms of fighting ability, or is someone marginally stronger than the other.

Some, making to about 3 to 4 people altogether, are saying that, since the Red Data book has a chart in which both Luffy's and Zoro's "strength" stat is maxed out at 6, therefore they must be exactly equal, since, they claim, manga in general traditionally use "strength" to determine fighting ability, and that "6 must be = 6"

Everyone else is saying that the chart is open to interpretations, especially since 6 is too small a denomination to make such a claim that Luffy and Zoro are exactly equal in terms of fighting ability. Some cited that Luffy is always fighting the strongest "bosses", some claimed that "strength" cannot be used as the only determining factor in a fight since many others come into play, some even say that since Luffy has a stronger ambition than Zoro, therefore Luffy should ultimately be stronger. There were many other points, but for the moment I can't remember what they are.

Yarp, it took me 10 minutes to type this out. I reckon it'll take less than 2 to read this to comprehension. Yeah I know I might be sparking something again but lets face it; it's fun to debate about something. It just doesn't work so well when people start making retarded statements or, even worse, start flaming one another.

I'll be the first one now to say:sorry, if i've ever flamed anyone with regards to this debate, and without reason.

[Phenomenol]

@Archtyrant:

Some, making to about 3 to 4 people altogether, are saying that, since the Red Data book has a chart in which both Luffy's and Zoro's "strength" stat is maxed out at 6, therefore they must be exactly equal, since, they claim, manga in general traditionally use "strength" to determine fighting ability, and that "6 must be = 6"

And those three to four people use ACTUAL FACTS to back up theor words. The Data book has their strength equal at 6 and the manga proves it when they do battle. Also strength does equate to overall fighting ability, look at Whitebeards strongest man in the world title.

Everyone else is saying that the chart is open to interpretations, especially since 6 is too small a denomination to make such a claim that Luffy and Zoro are exactly equal in terms of fighting ability. Some cited that Luffy is always fighting the strongest "bosses", some claimed that "strength" cannot be used as the only determining factor in a fight since many others come into play, some even say that since Luffy has a stronger ambition than Zoro, therefore Luffy should ultimately be stronger. There were many other points, but for the moment I can't remember what they are.

Luffy does NOT fight the stronger bosses, Zoro has fought Mihawk and Daz Boness! Characters that would KILL Luffy. Also in Zoro and Luffy's fights STRENGTH is always the factor whenever they battle an opponent, don't try and compare their fights to Nami's or Ussopp battles. Who cares if Luffy's ambition is suppose to be stronger than Zoro's, too bad even with those ambitions Luffy is NOT stronger than Zoro.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

This post is deleted!

[Final End]

Well Luffy = Zoro….....Now its time for the Big One.

! Does, Mihawk > Shanks

[Archtyrant]

Lol yarp those are the 3.

Now you see why so many people just decided to give up on them?

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@Archtyrant:

Lol yarp those are the 3.

yarp, narp? I take you've seen hot fuzz.

Now you see why so many people just decided to give up on them?

You've given up with speculation and decided to just read the red book and accept the facts? It's about time you lot realized numbers don't change value no matter how much your inner fanboy demands it.

[Phenomenol]

@ONEinchPUNCH:

yarp, narp? I take you've seen hot fuzz.

You've given up with speculation and decided to just read the red book and accept the facts? It's about time you lot realized numbers don't change value no matter how much your inner fanboy demands it.

Yahhoohohohoohhoohoho!!!!!

Great job OIP!!!!!

lets all do it…together....Zoro..Yohohohohoooo...equals...Yahooooohhhooo...Luffy!

[Archtyrant]

LMAO

If you like to think so then go ahead, be my guest

The result of this debate is obvious for all to see =))

[Pants-eater]

Mihawk was not the boss of anyone and Mr. 1 was someone Luffy COULD NOT fight. Like I said, the plot determines WHO they fight. And even then, They were only two people.

[Archtyrant]

So what's the point?

Enel owned Zoro and Luffy owned Enel, now would you accept that as explanation that Luffy owns Zoro? Obviously not right?

Saying Mr 1 would beat Luffy is PURE SPECULATION (a term well-beloved) on anyone's part.

I know the 3 of them won't understand that, but I'm hoping that at least you do? You do seem very inclined on their side though.

[Paulie]

6 = 6

4000 = 2200 ?

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@Paulie:

6 = 6

4000 = 2200 ?

You need to re-read this thread we've been through that crap. The quick explanation would be how easily zoro owned kaku just tekkai stood in his way. Once asura stance came and the mist move was unleashed, the fight was over. Luffy with his upgrade was getting thrown all over the place against lucci.

One more thing where the hell does it say zoro has 2200 douriki? We only saw zoro walk all over someone with 2200 douriki.

@Archtyrant:

So what's the point?

Enel owned Zoro and Luffy owned Enel, now would you accept that as explanation that Luffy owns Zoro? Obviously not right?

We've been through this you need to re-read the topic.

Saying Mr 1 would beat Luffy is PURE SPECULATION (a term well-beloved) on anyone's part.

No it's what would happen if you punch a blades edge, even you fanboys must know what happens when you punch a blades edge.

If you don't watch onimusha warlords ending

at 1.20 someone attempts to punch a blades edge.

I know the 3 of them won't understand that, but I'm hoping that at least you do? You do seem very inclined on their side though.

More like you can't read simple facts from a book, are you so desparate that you're trying to convert other members now?

What did I tell you about numbers? No matter how many people you bring the value of a number will not change.

[FireFistAce 0]

Guys, does it really matter? You've spent page after page arguing the same specs.

The fact is, this is Luffy's story. He's the hero, and he's the Captain. He will defeat the strongest opponents, Zoro will defeat the swordsmen or the first mates.

And really, that's all that needs to be said. It doesn't matter who's stronger, it matters who the hero is.

This is like arguing if Yusuke or Hiei is stronger. It doesn't matter because Yusuke was the hero and the spirit detective; he was the one who fought Yomi, not Hiei.

[Radical jack]

holy shit.I thought This thread was dead..
*sigh can't be helped I guess

Luffy does NOT fight the stronger bosses, Zoro has fought Mihawk and Daz Boness! Characters that would KILL Luffy. Also in Zoro and Luffy's fights STRENGTH is always the factor whenever they battle an opponent, don't try and compare their fights to Nami's or Ussopp battles. Who cares if Luffy's ambition is suppose to be stronger than Zoro's, too bad even with those ambitions Luffy is NOT stronger than Zoro.

The only person that zoro has fought that was stronger than any villian luffy has fought yet is Mihawk.And mihawk owned both of them.So this statement doesn't matter.Daz bones is no where near top tier in the one piece villians.And they don't use brute strength to win their all their battles.

Yahhoohohohoohhoohoho!!!!!

Great job OIP!!!!!

lets all do it…together....Zoro..Yohohohohoooo...equals...Ya hooooohhhooo...Luffy!

a very ironic reply to oip's statement

No it's what would happen if you punch a blades edge, even you fanboys must know what happens when you punch a blades edge.

If you don't watch onimusha warlords ending

at 1.20 someone attempts to punch a blades edge.

I know your a fan of manga/anime so please don't use this argument.How many times have you seen in your own eyes charcters in manga defy impossible physics and odds.It happens all the time in almost every shonen ever made.Your acting like daz bones was created to be stronger than luffy,NO he was not.He was created to lose to zoro. Its even worse for your argument,That we haven't even seen luffy and mr 1 engage in battle.
defying the impossible are what shonen chracters do
If you want to try to feed us a fight that never happend as a fact Than fine Ill leave you be
and for the record,here are the enemies luffy and zoro has both fought

Buggy.Luffy won zoro lost
Mihawk both lost
Arlong:luffy one zoro lost
enel:luffy one zoro lost

luffy 3-1 zoro is to 0-4

no matter what excuses and odds you will put against zoro its still facts.You guys put up a fight that never happened.It would be denial not saying mr 1 can beat luffy is speculation.

If i "Ignored" anybody elses post please post.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@Radical:

holy shit.I thought This thread was dead..
*sigh can't be helped I guess

The only person that zoro has fought that was stronger than any villian luffy has fought yet is Mihawk.And mihawk owned both of them.So this statement doesn't matter.

You can say whatever you want zoro fought Mihawk who is the strongest villain to be fought so far. Mihawk merely dismissed luffy like a piece of trash luffy didn't get a fight. All this post is doing is proving zoro has fought the strongest eney so far, it isn't commenting performance.

Daz bones is no where near top tier in the one piece villians.And they don't use brute strength to win their all their battles.

Doesn't change the fact he is a walking blade.

I know your a fan of manga/anime so please don't use this argument.How many times have you seen in your own eyes charcters in manga defy impossible physics and odds.It happens all the time in almost every shonen ever made.Your acting like daz bones was created to be stronger than luffy,NO he was not.He was created to lose to zoro. Its even worse for your argument,That we haven't even seen luffy and mr 1 engage in battle.

I'm just telling and showing you what happens if you punch a blade, you may speculate luffy would grow swords using gear 4 but I'd rather use the facts.

defying the impossible are what shonen chracters do
If you want to try to feed us a fight that never happend as a fact Than fine Ill leave you be

And if you want to speculate be my guest, but remember speculation remains speculation.

and for the record,here are the enemies luffy and zoro has both fought

Buggy.Luffy won zoro lost

Nami helped luffy win go re-read the fight, buggy had the advantage.

Mihawk both lost

Wrong only zoro lost luffy didn't get to fight he was simply side stepped, you could SPECULATE mihawk saw he was a weaker opponent.

Arlong:luffy one zoro lost

So losing 5 litres of blood and beating half of arlong park and hatchi counts as nothing? Luffy lost to arlong instantly, arlong threw him under water luffy lost. If not for sanji he would be dead, you really need to get your facts straight.

enel:luffy one zoro lost

Erm RUBBER he would have been owned otherwise

luffy 3-1 zoro is to 0-4

hahah how babyish

no matter what excuses and odds you will put against zoro its still facts.You guys put up a fight that never happened.It would be denial not saying mr 1 can beat luffy is speculation.

with what we are shown luffy cannot defeat mr1, it is speculation to assume he would do this or that.

[SabZ]

Lol… this is still going on? I wrapped things up a while back.

Nobody is going to agree with each other... so really, this is pointless until we get more useful info from Oda.

[Radical jack]

I don't think you understand the point of my post.Your throwing around mr 1 beating luffy as a fact when they never even fought.And you refuse to take into account that zoro has lost.No matter what excuse he stiil lost to people luffy has beaten.you insist 100% that luffy would lose,But thats speculation until he lose which might I add is pointless speculation because they will never fight.

Nami helped luffy win go re-read the fight, buggy had the advantage

He still won….its what happens when you take your eyes from a fight.

So losing 5 litres of blood and beating half of arlong park and hatchi counts as nothing? Luffy lost to arlong instantly, arlong threw him under water luffy lost. If not for sanji he would be dead, you really need to get your facts straight.

your really grasping,straws here.They fought him striaght up,and compleatly owned him when he got angry.everybody would have been owned if luffy was not there

Erm RUBBER he would have been owned otherwise

that's his power…Zoro would have been owned by everybody without swords,Nami and clima tact,sangi and strong legs.chopper and his power
do I need to go on?

hahah how babyish

how is this any differnt then ""mr 1 is a walking blade,so he'll beat luffy"

with what we are shown luffy cannot defeat mr1, it is speculation to assume he would do this or that.

you can't prove they lost untill they fight

Lol… this is still going on? I wrapped things up a while back.

Nobody is going to agree with each other... so really, this is pointless until we get more useful info from Oda.

its okay Im just adsressing this "mr. 1 can beat luffy" nonsense

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@Radical:

I don't think you understand the point of my post.Your throwing around mr 1 beating luffy as a fact when they never even fought.And you refuse to take into account that zoro has lost.No matter what excuse he stiil lost to people luffy has beaten.you insist 100% that luffy would lose,But thats speculation until he lose which might I add is pointless speculation because they will never fight.

No I'm saying with what we are show luffy cannot defeat mr1, anything else is speculation.

He still won….its what happens when you take your eyes from a fight.

No luffy and nami won

your really grasping,straws here.They fought him striaght up,and compleatly owned him when he got angry.everybody would have been owned if luffy was not there

So luffy didn't lose by getting thrown into the sea? Is that what you are saying?

that's his power…Zoro would have been owned by everybody without swords,Nami and clima tact,sangi and strong legs.chopper and his power
do I need to go on?

You fail to understand enel fought luffy without that power because luffy's rubber nulified it. If luffy wasn't rubber he couldn't have won.

how is this any differnt then ""mr 1 is a walking blade,so he'll beat luffy"

All I said is luffy cannot defeat Mr1, I didn't say he'd beat luffy, luffy can run if he wants. What you said is just childish

you can't prove they lost untill they fight

I'll I'm proving is if you punch a blade you won't be a very happy camper, all the evidence shows this. Luffy cannot beat Mr1 with all the evidence shown so far.

its okay Im just adsressing this "mr. 1 can beat luffy" nonsense

I agree punching a blades edge is nonsense and cannot be done without splitting your hand in half.

[Kma]

I still think that they are equal but I got a question though. Does Mr 1 feel pain among contact? from Zoro's attack it didnt seem like it.

I just want to remind Luffy dosent mind punching pointy objects. He punched through Kriegs Spikes. Also supposedly Arlongs Nose is pretty durable too. Still Krieg is leagues behind Daz Bones. I don't see how Luffy could have beaten Mr. 1 during his current strength in the Alabasta arc.

[Phenomenol]

@Radical:

The only person that zoro has fought that was stronger than any villian luffy has fought yet is Mihawk.And mihawk owned both of them.So this statement doesn't matter.Daz bones is no where near top tier in the one piece villians.And they don't use brute strength to win their all their battles.

no matter what excuses and odds you will put against zoro its still facts.You guys put up a fight that never happened.It would be denial not saying mr 1 can beat luffy is speculation.

What? Only clear villain that Luffy has fought over Zoro was Crocodile. Yet Zoro fought Daz Bones a character who arguably would KILL Luffy! Not too mention the fact that Luffy's fight against Crocodile is something that ANYONE could have done, Zoro could have dipped his swords in water and in ONE blow it possibly would be over for Crocodile!!! Or what about Zoro's "The Breath of All things" technique??? Which can cut anything! If Zoro would have fought Crocodile he would have beaten Crocodile as well…maybe even faster than Luffy! So please don't use that weak argument about Luffy beating the bosses because Zoro would beat them Too!

[Hawkeye]

Omg i leave for a like a week and you fools are still argueing over something that cant be proved? wait for new data book fools

[lucchi's mustache]

if one of them backs down, theyre admitting that the other has a larger e-peen.

[Phenomenol]

@Hawkeye:

Omg i leave for a like a week and you fools are still argueing over something that cant be proved? wait for new data book fools

Why wait for the NEW data books when most of the people on this forum will ignore it?:wassat:

[Pants-eater]

This post is deleted!

[Phenomenol]

Internet Tough Guys!!!! Got to love them.^^^

[Pants-eater]

Zoro kicked Mr. 1 in the gut and it did more damage to him than Zoro's normal slicy attacks.

[Final End]

Lol… this is still going on? I wrapped things up a while back.

You mean your argument right?…....good job.

Nobody is going to agree with each other… so really, this is pointless until we get more useful info from Oda.

Why?…....you said "Fuck the yellow data book", and thats new info from Oda.(there also a few that agree with you on that.) We have info from Oda now that you and others love to call false/ignore/down play/thats not right/you must work it out/Oda meant it like this, even if its not in writting/my word is above all Canon,facts, and quotes from the manga/that Canon is old, and so on...

[Archtyrant]

Haha.. FFA, this isn't a matter of "who's right" anymore.

It's just "who won't back down". Some people just stay in denial for the sake of their own ego i guess.

I'll agree with you that it doesn't matter who's stronger, but when people start acting like fools..

Haha, nvm, I don't wanna bother about this anymore.

[bedrock]

@$abZ:

Lol… this is still going on? I wrapped things up a while back.

Nobody is going to agree with each other... so really, this is pointless until we get more useful info from Oda.

… common sense would help too:wassat::getlost::blink::sick:

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@Archtyrant:

Haha.. FFA, this isn't a matter of "who's right" anymore.

Isn't it have you lot actually seen how wrong you are and are wothdrawing your ridiculous 6 doesn't equal 6

It's just "who won't back down". Some people just stay in denial for the sake of their own ego i guess.

So going by whats inside the Red Data book written by ODA is denial

I'll agree with you that it doesn't matter who's stronger, but when people start acting like fools..

It doesn't matter who is stronger I agree because Oda says they are equal.

Haha, nvm, I don't wanna bother about this anymore.

Because you are wrong and even if new data comes out, you'll probably think like your clever little mates below.

@Final:

Why?…....you said "Fuck the yellow data book", and thats new info from Oda.(there also a few that agree with you on that.) We have info from Oda now that you and others love to call false/ignore/down play/thats not right/you must work it out/Oda meant it like this, even if its not in writting/my word is above all Canon,facts, and quotes from the manga/that Canon is old, and so on...

[Gaiyae]

….if that 6 really deceided everything between him and luffy. That means they'll never would have become any stronger. Because they'll always just stay at 6..

I don't really think you can really compare ANY strawhat. I mean ..it wouldn't suprise me if zoro lost against some really good sniper (von auger/Jasopp) , and later on Usopp would beat that same sniper. Does this automaticly mean Usopp > Zoro ? Or are many of you Zoro fanboys seriously going to say, Zoro can beat every enemy that Usopp can beat?!

Face it.. strength doesn't always determine a win in OP!

And about the the facts:

• The 6 of strength doesn't determine everything in battle.
• Mihawk stated that Luffy's goal was higher then Zoro's.. so if Luffy would like to have his goal achieved.. he HAS to end up stronger then Zoro.
• Luffy has a higher bounty, althought the bounty doesn't say everything about power.

As for me.. I think all strawhats are equel in there own way.