About what shanks and garp said and asura

[wolfwood]

@Franklin:

It's also the same reason why we can't use bounties as a power level gauge. Robin has a bounty higher than Sanji, but if they went all out 1v1 in a battle of power, we can all agree that Sanji will beat Robin.

most definitly not, even if we say for the sake of the argument that Sanji would ever lay a finger on his beloved Robin-chan, he still wouldnt have much of a figting chance, i for one belive that a melee fighter without any means to escape nor counter her grasp has slim to no chance against her.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

I can't believe $abz is posting those two phrases together and not seeing that he is owning himself.

Originally Posted by ONEinchPUNCH
Wrong, if a graph doesn't say six is a sixth, 6 is fixed, rough overview, not to scale or this is an average. It means whatever is written is definite and must be read as it is presented.

So the chart shows a number 6 which means six of these "1" it doesn't specify six is a sixth. Now how do you read this chart? You just look at it as 6=6 since nothing else is specified.

Originally Posted by $abZ
So if 6 = 6 has anything to do with the chart, Oda would have written… "btw, the value of both 6s are the same".

He didn't.

Now lets see how he has just owned himself

The 6=6 is on the chart, so if a chart doesn't say 6 is a sixth you just read the chart.

So because Oda hasn't written or specified anything about the 6's value, it means the 6 is automatically a normal real life 6. It isn't a sixth, or a rough estimation.

Now I didn't answer this because I was honestly laughing like crazy and I am truley suprised no-one else is.

C'MON GUYS HE JUST OWNED HIMSELF!!!

[zeroxtb]

hjfdhdjjgkdjkughhOOUUGHH STOP STOP JUST STOP IT AAHHHHH

WHERE IS THIS THREAD GOING

[Final End]

@ONEinchPUNCH:

C'MON GUYS HE JUST OWNED HIMSELF!!!

He been owned….now he owned himself. LOL

HE TRIED TO FIGHT THE CANON!(manga, Facts)…........AND THE CANON WON!

Heck Sabz tried to fight the simple things/CANON! in life…....Like a normal 6 = a normal 6.

[regasatanum]

@Nauykuyr:

Chikara(力), physical strength:
Chikara is used in the red book to indicate strengths of the Straw Hat crew. It is used alongside other dubious attributes. The kanji's original representation is an arm, and means only physical strength when the kanji is used alone. This measurement has only been used in the databook.

Tsuyoi (強), powerful, true strength:
This is used to declare a "powerful" person, equivalent to fighting ability. The word can also be used to declare a greater/stronger person. When Cobi is defeated by Luffy, he calls Luffy powerful (強). The kanji for tsuyoi is also used in other shonen manga, such as Dragonball Z.

Whitebeard is known as the strongest (強) man in the world.

although this cant prove they are not equal yet, but maybe we need to re-evaluate the databook.

[SabZ]

@ONEinchPUNCH:

So because Oda hasn't written or specified anything about the 6's value, it means the 6 is automatically a normal real life 6. It isn't a sixth, or a rough estimation.

Are you stupid? Real Life 6? Haha, a real life 6 has a value.

Your are SPECULATING that Oda has made that 6 a "real life" 6, instead of a sixth.

If Oda mentioned no value, why do you have to assume it's a "real life" 6? Where did he say "assume it's a "real life" 6 because I said nothing about a sixth"

If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that a "real life" 6 has a value too… and Oda mentioned no value of 6, so that makes 6 nothing but a number with an unknown value.

You owned yourself... but haven't realised yet lol.

That's like someone saying... I have an unknown pie in the box... and you going "oh, it's a chicken pie because I eat them every day and you mentioned nothing about any other pie". No. It would make the type of pie unknown.

[gamistras]

@$abZ:

Are you stupid? Real Life 6? Haha, a real life 6 has a value.

Your are SPECULATING that Oda has made that 6 a "real life" 6, instead of a sixth.

If Oda mentioned no value, why do you have to assume it's a "real life" 6? Where did he say "assume it's a "real life" 6 because I said nothing about a sixth"

If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that a "real life" 6 has a value too… and Oda mentioned no value of 6, so that makes 6 nothing but a number with an unknown value.

You owned yourself... but haven't realised yet lol.

That's like someone saying... I have an unknown pie in the box... and you going "oh, it's a chicken pie because I eat them every day and you mentioned nothing about any other pie". No. It would make the type of pie unknown.

what???????????????????????????????????????????????:wassat:

is this an argument or a joke?:getlost:

i can't believe i wasted a minute to read this

anyway,yeah $abz,the oranges are green,the hippos fly,the turtles dance,the chicken breath fire and you are right!

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@$abZ:

Are you stupid? Real Life 6? Haha, a real life 6 has a value.

Your are SPECULATING that Oda has made that 6 a "real life" 6, instead of a sixth.

If Oda mentioned no value, why do you have to assume it's a "real life" 6? Where did he say "assume it's a "real life" 6 because I said nothing about a sixth"

If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that a "real life" 6 has a value too… and Oda mentioned no value of 6, so that makes 6 nothing but a number with an unknown value.

You owned yourself... but haven't realised yet lol.

That's like someone saying... I have an unknown pie in the box... and you going "oh, it's a chicken pie because I eat them every day and you mentioned nothing about any other pie". No. It would make the type of pie unknown.

Hahaha you still miss the only part that matters.

Because Oda has stated no value for the 6, it automatically becomes a normal 6 like 1,2,3,4,5,6 .

If the 6's on the chart had a different value it would be specified, since it isn't the graph is only what you see.

We see two 6's with nothing specifying their value, according to law their value would be just the number 6 nothing else because it isn't specified.

So you just owned yourself AGAIN!! How can't you see what you're doing everyone else has.

[SabZ]

Oda said nothing about 6 = 6. He says NOTHING. Even if it is natural to count them as equal… it isn't 100% certain that the values are the same.

And how do you know that Oda would come out and say whether 6 is a sixth? You're speculating on that part.

You can't just go by something because Oda says nothing.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@$abZ:

Oda said nothing about 6 = 6.

Nothing about the numbers is specified, so what you see is automatically a normal real life 6. Two 6's from here "1,2,3,4,5,6" both have the same value, so the two numbers are equal.

He says NOTHING. Even if it is natural to count them as equal… it isn't 100% certain that the values are the same.

Oda hasn't specified anything, so the 6's are just default real life 6's from here "1,2,3,4,5,6" only specifying otherwise next to the chart will make the 6's value different.

And how do you know that Oda would come out and say whether 6 is a sixth? You're speculating on that part.

No I'm using how to make a chart laws, which state if nothing is specified a chart is only what you see. We see 2 of these "6" from here "1,2,3,4,5,6" no value is stated, so they are automatically just normal 6's from here "1,2,3,4,5,6".

You can't just go by something because Oda says nothing.

Storywise no, chartwise yes you can because that's how they are made by law.

This time think before you reply.

[SabZ]

@ONEinchPUNCH:

Nothing about the numbers is specified, so what you see is automatically a normal real life 6. Two 6's from here "1,2,3,4,5,6" both have the same value, so the two numbers are equal.

You do realise that if Oda says nothing, the rest is opinion.

Like, you're choosing to believe 6 = 6 and I'm choosing not to believe that, because we have no FACT from Oda.

So it's opinion until Oda states them equal.

The normal person would see them as 6=6, correct. But that would be opinion since Oda hasn't said anything about the value of 6. So it's opinion.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@$abZ:

You do realise that if Oda says nothing, the rest is opinion.

Like, you're choosing to believe 6 = 6 and I'm choosing not to believe that, because we have no FACT from Oda.

So it's opinion until Oda states them equal.

The normal person would see them as 6=6, correct. But that would be opinion since Oda hasn't said anything about the value of 6. So it's opinion.

By posting this you haven't understood anything from my last post.

[AD-HD Pirate]

I see it this way:
5.75 = 6. And of course Luffy is 6 and Zoro 5.75.

[SabZ]

There is no LAW behind charts. Not officially, anyway.

You can't just speculate the value of 6 because the author says nothing. Yes, it is very likely that 6 = 6 on the chart… but it is NOT FACT. The author must explain his chart.

So until Oda says nothing, the 6 is a sixth to me, by opinion... and it is a fixed value to you, by opinion.

There is no OFFICIAL Law, and if there is... I'd love to see it.

EDIT: AD-HD... you mean 6.75 = 6... because remember... the highest value could be 6.9.

5.75 would class it as 5 overall in the chart.

[AD-HD Pirate]

EDIT: AD-HD… you mean 6.75 = 6... because remember... the highest value could be 6.9.

5.75 would class it as 5 overall in the chart.

Oh, okay. My mistake.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@$abZ:

There is no LAW behind charts. Not officially, anyway.

Oh yes there is , in a published book anything like values must be specified. You have just lost any remaining credibility you had.

You can't just speculate the value of 6 because the author says nothing. Yes, it is very likely that 6 = 6 on the chart… but it is NOT FACT. The author must explain his chart.

Nothing about the numbers is specified, so what you see is automatically a normal real life 6. Two 6's from here "1,2,3,4,5,6" both have the same value, so the two numbers are equal.

So until Oda says nothing, the 6 is a sixth to me, by opinion… and it is a fixed value to you, by opinion.

Oda hasn't specified anything, so the 6's are just default real life 6's from here "1,2,3,4,5,6" only specifying otherwise next to the chart will make the 6's value different.

There is no OFFICIAL Law, and if there is… I'd love to see it.

Look it up if you please or ask a teacher, in a published book a chart must specify if values of the same number isn't equal.

OTHERWISE THE CHART WOULD BE MISLEADING

EDIT: AD-HD… you mean 6.75 = 6... because remember... the highest value could be 6.9.

5.75 would class it as 5 overall in the chart.

Now heres a question for you if 6.0 is the MAX how have you gone higher? And don't say how do you know what the higest value is, if the bar goes any further it would exit the chart.

[SabZ]

The bar is fixed… the actual graph is always fixed. You should know that a graph goes by the chart numbers only.

But the numbers of the chart have unknown values.

You're acting as if speculating that 6 is a sixth is illegal because of a law. I will look the law up... but I have never come across an OFFICIAL law for a chart.

Law can mean what generally (not always) happens. Like the laws of physics. But you're making it out to be a law where you MUST do something.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@$abZ:

The bar is fixed… the actual graph is always fixed. You should know that a graph goes by the chart numbers only.

No look at the chart diagram it shows the bar reaching the MAX it offers "6.0"

Are diagrams wrong too?

But the numbers of the chart have unknown values.

No each bar reaches 6.0 look at the chart

You're acting as if speculating that 6 is a sixth is illegal because of a law. I will look the law up… but I have never come across an OFFICIAL law for a chart.

Law can mean what generally (not always) happens. Like the laws of physics. But you're making it out to be a law where you MUST do something.

What's that old saying the law says?

IGNORANCE IS NOT AN EXCUSE, just because you have never come across it, doesn't make it false.

The way you talk if you didn't know murding was against the law, it means it isn't true and you'd get away scott free.

[SabZ]

Did you ignore my post.

A graph is always fixed… because it presents a chart. A chart has deeper values to be exploited by the author. And I will look up on the law when I have time... but I doubt it says "If the value of 6 is not given, speculate that 6 is a 'real life' 6".

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@$abZ:

Did you ignore my post.

A graph is always fixed… because it presents a chart. A chart has deeper values to be exploited by the author. And I will look up on the law when I have time... but I doubt it says "If the value of 6 is not given, speculate that 6 is a 'real life' 6".

The chart shows a 6.0, 6=6.0 you are speculating that 6.0 is of higher value

[MoleUK]

Sorry for butting in, but it seems common sense to me that the way Oda used his scoring chart was a general guide. If 6=6 no matter what then neither opponent could win, no? It's a general ranking guide, showing that they are on the same level of fighting ability. Doesn't mean they are 100% equal, but they are close.
if 1=1, 2=2, 3=3, 4=4, 5=5 and 6=6 that would mean there would only be 6 measures of strength/intelligence etc, which would make absolutely no sense.

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@MoleUK:

Sorry for butting in, but it seems common sense to me that the way Oda used his scoring chart was a general guide. If 6=6 no matter what then neither opponent could win, no? It's a general ranking guide, showing that they are on the same level of fighting ability. Doesn't mean they are 100% equal, but they are close.
if 1=1, 2=2, 3=3, 4=4, 5=5 and 6=6 that would mean there would only be 6 measures of strength/intelligence etc, which would make absolutely no sense.

Right but from what this chart says they are equal, thinking anything else is speculation. And the whiskey peak fight shows their best moves are equal.

It could even be possible that they aren't equal but from what we are shown, they are equal.

[Phenomenol]

This post is deleted!

[Pants-eater]

Does Oda round up?

[gamistras]

well i say patience people until yellow data book comes out, zccorin to a new thread it will be in exactly one month! so maybe shanks vs mihawk and luffy vs zoro will be solved once and for all!

[Phenomenol]

Sorry gamistras, Mihawk and Shanks are equal just like Luffy and Zoro are equal. How Ironic for all of these charcters to be intertwined as equal.

[Final End]

They are equals until Oda says other wise….......If 2 people fight and tie, they are equals until they fight again.

Luffy and Zoro fought and fought as equals........they are equals until they fight again. The data book backs this up.......anyone saying "No! luffy is stronger with out canon should keep it as an opinion.

@OIP….Dont reply to Sabz…..he got bad grades in math.

[gamistras]

@Phenomenol:

Sorry gamistras, Mihawk and Shanks are equal just like Luffy and Zoro are equal. How Ironic for all of these charcters to be intertwined as equal.

well i respect your opinion but shanks and mihawk are ex-rivals,their rivalry has ended and that is why in the data book it is said:"when he was a rival of mihawk he carried his sword…....."

mihawk is the no1 SM while shanks is a SM so i think this speaks for it self

i think luffy's relationship with zoro is not the same as shanks and mihawk's but as WB's and mihawk's

and this part is my speculation,i believe mihawk is the strongest schichibukai and we know WB is the strongest person,on the other hand the powers are equal so somebody has to be close enough to WB in terms of strenght and i believe that is mihawk,so in my point of view luffy's and zoro's final opponents (WB and mihawk) are really close in strenght since luffy always fights the strongest and zoro the 2nd stronger

but as for shanks he definately isn't mihawk's equal,he was he rival once uppon a time but now he isn't,i respect your opinion and i would be happy to discuss or debate about it!

[SabZ]

@Final:

@OIP….Dont reply to Sabz…..he got bad grades in math.

Don't get ahead of yourself… OIP is the only one carrying your arguement with any chance. You're just his backup.. an unimportant side kid that makes a smart-ass comment now and again, thinking that he is cool (with the "yo" and "check it" now and again that make you sound like a wigger).

Don't flame me.

And OIP... I have checked on the law thing... and found nothing OFFICIAL. Show me where you got an official statement about the fact that we have to instantly assume 6 is a "real life" 6 if the value isn't specified.

Link me or quote from the book or whatever you read it from.

[Final End]

@$abZ:

Don't get ahead of yourself… OIP is the only one carrying your arguement with any chance. You're just his backup.. an unimportant side kid that makes a smart-ass comment now and again, thinking that he is cool (with the "yo" and "check it" now and again that make you sound like a wigger).

Don't flame me.

And OIP... I have checked on the law thing... and found nothing OFFICIAL. Show me where you got an official statement about the fact that we have to instantly assume 6 is a "real life" 6 if the value isn't specified.

Link me or quote from the book or whatever you read it from.

So going by your logic Mr UK….........you cant answer this 5 + 5 Huh?

Since I never stated the value of 5. huh? Looks like you got bad grades in simple math.

Zoro and Luffy both have the same symbol (6) since you dont want to call it a number.

They fought as equals and the battle end with them being equals…...they are equals until they fight again or Oda says other wise.

[gamistras]

@$abZ:

Don't get ahead of yourself… OIP is the only one carrying your arguement with any chance. You're just his backup.. an unimportant side kid that makes a smart-ass comment now and again, thinking that he is cool (with the "yo" and "check it" now and again that make you sound like a wigger).

Don't flame me.

And OIP... I have checked on the law thing... and found nothing OFFICIAL. Show me where you got an official statement about the fact that we have to instantly assume 6 is a "real life" 6 if the value isn't specified.

Link me or quote from the book or whatever you read it from.

i think you just flamed FE and then said "don't flame me"

no offence but your argument is more of a joke than something to be answered,you understand it but you are acting immature so that you don't admit you were wrong,maybe you are still under 18:wassat:

now that serlock made his analysis i think the yellow data book will answer everything we are arguing about and that is why it is coming now,after EL

cuz many things have changed and a new data book is needed,so patience for a month

[Final End]

@gamistras:

i think you just flamed FE and then said "don't flame me"

no offence but your argument is more of a joke than something to be answered,you understand it but you are acting immature so that you don't admit you were wrong,maybe you are still under 18:wassat:

now that serlock made his analysis i think the yellow data book will answer everything we are arguing about and that is why it is coming now,after EL

cuz many things have changed and a new data book is needed,so patience for a month

The yellow book wont answer anything for Sabz…....because oda needs to tell him what the values of the new numbers on the new chart are.........a normal 6 or 1000 wont do it for sabz.

[gamistras]

@Final:

So going by your logic Mr UK….........you cant answer this 5 + 5 Huh?

Since I never stated the value of 5. huh? Looks like you got bad grades in simple math.

Zoro and Luffy both have the same symbol (6) since you dont want to call it a number.

They fought as equals and the battle end with them being equals…...they are equals until they fight again or Oda says other wise.

exactly,$abz go ask your math teacher about your sayings cuz i am doing logical maths in the university and i am too bored to search for all these terms in english to explain it to you but believe me you are wrong

@Final:

The yellow book wont answer anything for Sabz…....because oda needs to tell him what the values of the new numbers on the new chart are.........a normal 6 or 1000 wont do it for sabz.

lol,indeed!!!!!!!!!!!

[SabZ]

@gamistras:

i think you just flamed FE and then said "don't flame me"

no offence but your argument is more of a joke than something to be answered,you understand it but you are acting immature so that you don't admit you were wrong,maybe you are still under 18:wassat:

now that serlock made his analysis i think the yellow data book will answer everything we are arguing about and that is why it is coming now,after EL

cuz many things have changed and a new data book is needed,so patience for a month

I am under 18.

I am not wrong. Or have not been proven wrong. I bet you don't even know what my arguement is.

OIP thinks that since the value of 6 isn't mentioned, then we should naturally assume 6 is equal to 6… and that the 6 isn't a sixth (various numbers... a result of a division of 6). He claims there is a law.

My arguement is not a joke, and if you think it is (which is obvious), then please explain why.

[gamistras]

@$abZ:

I am under 18.

I am not wrong. Or have not been proven wrong. I bet you don't even know what my arguement is.

OIP thinks that since the value of 6 isn't mentioned, then we should naturally assume 6 is equal to 6… and that the 6 isn't a sixth (various numbers... a result of a division of 6). He claims there is a law.

My arguement is not a joke, and if you think it is (which is obvious), then please explain why.

well i thought you were under 18,some of your sayings might be solved in a next class,according to your age it might be natural to have those questions

well it would be hard to explain in english but i will give it a try

the "strenght" that is refered in the data books is a scale,the symbol "6" shows how far it is from the beginning (the "0"),in scales that only have positive measurements like strenght the absolute price of 6 is 6 and not -6, the scale "strenght" is from it's own a division and the numbers inside it vary only by price while their "ability" remains the same since the scale "strenght" states their ability

i couldn't explain it better,i am sure in a coming class you will be taught some basics of the logical maths

also $abz,i think you should accept the aruments and the posts that are reffering to you with a taste of humour,we are discussing about one piece,not democracy,it is a "light" issue and our opinions on it are judged by people that don't know us,so i think you should disagree of course but put a smillie sometimes in!!!

like that!

i have read all the thread from the beginning and i think you should see that some users like psolaras,WB,phenomenal,FFA are debating in some issues while they are agreing on others and they take no offence,don't become one with $abz,it is not you but your opinion about one piece

well that is too sophisticated for me! time to play dumb!:silly:

[Final End]

@$abZ:

My arguement is not a joke, and if you think it is (which is obvious), then please explain why.

Your argument is a joke…..as my last 2 post pointed that out, you want Oda to make all his readers look like dumb shits, and say somthing like "the 6 is a normal 6, its not a sixth," We see 6 in the data book not a sixth. the symbol 6 which means lets count them up sabz......

---

There are six stars in my post. thats the value of the 2 sixs in the data book chart.

[gamistras]

@Final:

Your argument is a joke…..as my last 2 post pointed that out, you want Oda to make all his readers look like dumb shits, and say somthing like "the 6 is a normal 6, its not a sixth," We see 6 in the data book not a sixth. the symbol 6 which mean lets count them up sabz......

---

There are six stars in my post. thats the value of the 2 sixs in the data book chart.

well this is an example of bad carma!!! people take the blind turtle position and repeat after me: aaaahmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

[SabZ]

@gamistras:

the "strenght" that is refered in the data books is a scale,the symbol "6" shows how far it is from the beginning (the "0"),in scales that only have positive measurements like strenght the absolute price of 6 is 6 and not -6, the scale "strenght" is from it's own a division and the numbers inside it vary only by price while their "ability" remains the same since the scale "strenght" states their ability

Since I think the scale is too small for such low numbers to equal each other… I think that Oda divided the Straw Hat power levels (powers) by 6, creating 6 bounderies... with each number being a sixth in value.

How is that theory a joke?

[gamistras]

@$abZ:

Since I think the scale is too small for such low numbers to equal each other… I think that Oda divided the Straw Hat power levels (powers) by 6, creating 6 bounderies... with each number being a sixth in value.

How is that theory a joke?

i pretty much explained this but…what do you mean by:

with each number being a sixth in value.

?????????

i explained that all the numbers inside the scale have the same ability and only vary by price so i would like you to explain with examples what do you mean

[SabZ]

@gamistras:

ii explained that all the numbers inside the scale have the same ability and only vary by price so i would like you to explain with examples what do you mean

You've xplained, but haven't proved.

Oda never states the price. By a sixth… I mean one sixth of the straw hats power levels... which is various numbers.

For example... should the straw hat power levels added up add up to 60, then anyone from 51-60 is classed in the number 6. Luffy could have 59 and Zoro could have 54...

I know it's speculation, but it hasn't been proved incorrect. I instantly saw 6 is a number too low for a fixed value... and I can't imagine 6 to equal 6 in the chart.

[Final End]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

There you have it folks…...............A normal 6 that Luffy has does not equal the normal 6 that Zoro has, in a simple comic book, Data Book.

[gamistras]

@$abZ:

You've xplained, but haven't proved.

Oda never states the price. By a sixth… I mean one sixth of the straw hats power levels... which is various numbers.

For example... should the straw hat power levels added up add up to 60, then anyone from 51-60 is classed in the number 6. Luffy could have 59 and Zoro could have 54...

I know it's speculation, but it hasn't been proved incorrect. I instantly saw 6 is a number too low for a fixed value... and I can't imagine 6 to equal 6 in the chart.

i see,well oda used a 6 so it would be easy to understand that they have the same strenght

first of all everything i "explained" are rules of maths so they prove what i say

secondly you don't see what strenght is:how can usopp and chopper have the same strenght? usopp said in alabasta he gives up with lifting 20 pounds and he couldn't raise dalton's body while chopper ripped merry's mast and threw it far away

the strenght in the data book is speed,fighting ability,strategic knowledge inside the battlefield,stamina,physical power and other things as well

that is why usopp and chopper both have the same strenght while chopper's raw strenght is much bigger,cuz strenght in that data book is the thing that wins the fights and it shows that people with the same number are equal

and again about the sixth everything is explained in my previous post

[SabZ]

Basically, you are saying that in a chart, from 0 to 6… each number has the same increase in price/ value like they would in day-to-day charts. You're saying that 6 = 6 because they are the same distance from 0. Am I right?

Well, Oda hasn't proven that, so as much as you may be right... it hasn't been clarified yet.

I would like you to remember that strength is ability, and seperating the two is the incorrect thing to do.

I still have to hear why my theory is a joke.

[gamistras]

@$abZ:

Basically, you are saying that in a chart, from 0 to 6… each number has the same increase in price/ value like they would in day-to-day charts. You're saying that 6 = 6 because they are the same distance from 0. Am I right?

Well, Oda hasn't proven that, so as much as you may be right... it hasn't been clarified yet.

I would like you to remember that strength is ability, and seperating the two is the incorrect thing to do.

well about the day to day chart,i assume you are telling that they both increase their strenghts everyday or after every fight so the data change??

if you are assuming that untill EL i think the red data book was enough but with gears and stuff this is why a new data book is coming out presicely after the EL so we will see what oda will say

i assume that luffy is (well after the ears that is though they also seem equal) or sometime will be slightly stronger than zoro but till now the facts we have show that they are equal

I still have to hear why my theory is a joke.

so you were offended:wassat: i am sorry if i hurt your feelings,i take it back since you see it that way,are we cool?

[SabZ]

They're not facts until stated facts. Seriously… OIP thinks we should just think 6 = 6 since Oda says nothing about the value. But doesn't that make it opinion in the end... because the Oda hasn't made anything fact except that Luffy and Zoro both have 6. Oda is the only one that can make anything to do with OP a fact... and he has said nothing about the value of 6.

@gamistras:

so you were offended:wassat: i am sorry if i hurt your feelings,i take it back since you see it that way,are we cool?

No, I wasn't offended, I was confused. I can't see how my theory is a joke… because it makes perfect sense to me.

Yeah, we're cool. Just don't flame me... about my maths or whatever... because I'm the one who brought maths up.

I don't know why everyone thinks I'm all serious too. I just don't joke around a lot, and I'm never that angry... I'm just regular and calm.

It's hard to judge ones personality by text form.

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[gamistras]

@$abZ:

They're not facts until stated facts. Seriously… OIP thinks we should just think 6 = 6 since Oda says nothing about the value. But doesn't that make it opinion in the end... because the Oda hasn't made anything fact except that Luffy and Zoro both have 6. Oda is the only one that can make anything to do with OP a fact... and he has said nothing about the value of 6.

well oda doesn't know english!!!! so it is easy to assume his math are even worse!!!!!!!!!! so i think we should accept the obvious in the eye and don't question it

No, I wasn't offended, I was confused. I can't see how my theory is a joke… because it makes perfect sense to me.

Yeah, we're cool. Just don't flame me... about my maths or whatever... because I'm the one who brought maths up.

I don't know why everyone thinks I'm all serious too. I just don't joke around a lot, and I'm never that angry... I'm just regular and calm.

It's hard to judge ones personality by text form.

well that is true but you could try a smillie once in a while!!!

also i remember you said you are from UK,lucky bastard!! i am from greece and i can't stop watching premiership!!! cuz our football leaue sucks!! i only watch my team olympiakos,the eternal champion! also i am a fan of man utd and cristiano ronaldo!!!! (and i am kinda liking blackburn cuz morten gamst pedersen is amazing!) we will seriously kick gerrard's ass tomorrow! what team do you support?? (i hope you don't say chelsea)

[SabZ]

Liverpool will beat Man Utd tommorow. Come on reds (I support Liverpool).

forced smile

Anyway… I still don't see the value of 6 as a fact.

[gamistras]

@$abZ:

Liverpool will beat Man Utd tommorow. Come on reds (I support Liverpool).

forced smile

Anyway… I still don't see the value of 6 as a fact.

well as an olympiakos i haye gerrard for letting us out of CL with his rocket goal in the last minutes but i know along with ronaldinho and henry they are the fullest players for their positions

and the forced smile was a beginning!

well i can't wait for the yellow data book!!!

[Pants-eater]

First…

I used the Mihawk and Shanks argument as an example of you guys ignoring facts! I argued that they were equal and I am also arguing that Zoro and Luffy are equal from the DATA BOOKS!!! Yet you guys wanna say "no the data books chart is wrong concerning Luffy and Zoro" then so is the info about Shanks and Mihawk!

Also you just said that Luffy and Zoro do NOT have the same exact strength….YOU said this Archtyrant...While ODA gave them a SIX in the STRENGTH column! Who I am I going to listen too? I wonder...........ODA.

Who cares about Nami and Califa, All I know is that Luffy and Zoro FOUGHT and came out even and the Data books CHART supports this.

Later…

Noone really is asking you what you guys think. I am TELLING you what Oda has put down in the Data Book and the information that he put down is backed up in the dang comic!!! Luffy and Zoro fought and they came out even. Don't give me "it was too short of a fight and Luffy gets better as the fight goes on." Well so what, they BOTH used their best techniques on each other and Both did not move an inch, Zoro himself ALSO gets better as the fight goes on…. Not too mention they tried to KILL each other in that moment. Who cares if you think the numbers don't work....ODA DOES! All I know is the ENTIRE chart has Luffy and Zoro very close in their ATTRIBUTES specifically the STRENGTH column! They are equal until Oda says or shows otherwise.

So if you guys want to try and dismiss that information and call it bogus fine, EVERYTHING must be ignored in the data book as of now. For all you Red-Haired Shanks FANBOYS out their, all that talk about Mihawk being equal to Shanks is dismissed! Hawkeye's Mihawk will kick Red-Haired Shanks @#$%&* because Shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk is the World's GREATEST!!!!!

Yes, Mihawk can KILL your precious Emperor in Shanks........Mihawk > Shanks

No you suck! Yeah going off the data book, but now since we are not going off the data book anymore Hawkeye's will kick the @#%&* out of Shanks!!!!

Even later…

Sorry gamistras, Mihawk and Shanks are equal

This is funny because he contradicts himself.