New World = The Americas??

[b0it0i]

We all know that Oda draws inspiration from real world events

well, the age of exploration lead to the discovery of "The Americas". and The Americas were labled as the "New World"

Oda's "New World" and the Americas "New World" not only share the same name… but if you analyze more closely, you can see many similarities.

Crossing the Redline in order to get to the New World is like Crossing the Atlantic: Dangerous, Mysterious, Exciting

The 4 emperors = 4 nations fighting for the americas "New World": England, France, Spain, Portugal. These 4 nations eventually split the new world and ruled their own section, much like the 4 emperors of one piece.

and the most important part, Raftel...
i've seen many people speculate about Raftel being a lost and ancient civilization....
Well, The Americas, before the europeans arrived had advanced civlizations such as the Mayas, Aztecs, Incas,

and most intriguing part, there was one specific group of native americans that "mysteriously" vanished....

They had a calender that was planned out far into the future, but all of a sudden, the calender stopped. = Poneglyph??

the name of this group slips my mind

Not sure if anyone has ever come up with this theory, but having the same name "New World" stood out to me.

edit*

at first i didn't think of adding further detail. but it seems like further elaboration is needed

about the ancient calender predicting doomsday and my connectioin of it to the poneglyphs is the fact that, some people believe that the poneglyphs hold information about the void century, and the evil things the world government has done.

Poneglyphs warning future generations of the evils of the world government
Calender warning whoever finds it of the day that the world would end

and about the "New World". of course it's just a name, and of course the "New World" is not necesarily "New" to the NATIVE INHABITANTS..... but to the EXPLORERS in the AGE OF EXPLORATION.. ya dig??

and i just read the thread about "BB proof that dragon is a logia" and found this nifty gem

1. Byakko the White Tiger (Whitebeard), Associated with West and Autumn; a protector, and known as the King of animals and lord of mountains.

2. Suzaku the Red Phoenix (Shanks), Associated with the South and Summer; associated with Good fortune and Prosperity.

3. Seiryu the Blue-green Dragon (?????), Associated with East and Spring; a symbol of justice and benevolent rule.

4. Genbu the Black Turtle (?????), Emperor of Winter and the North, Bringer of Wisdom and Longevity.

i saw it before, but it slipped my mind when i made this post..

well East, West, North, South

East (North America) = Britain --> Colonies

West (South America) = Spain --> ALOT of spanish countries. (although the spanish had alot of influence on territories all around South America, and thus they were not necesarily confined to the Western part of the Americas..

after the Treaty of Tordesillas, Spain agreed with Portugal to split the possesion of the territory with a line drawn near Brazil. Spain gets everything to the West. and Portugese get everything to the East, basically Spain got the entire West Coast... including parts of the West Coast in North America

South (South America) = Portugal --> Brazil, (and actually before the spanish took over, Portugese explorers sailed and explorered the southern tip of South America) and see ^^above, Treaty of Tordesillas. basically, the Portugese were confined to South America

North (North America) = France --> Canada

About columbus finding the West Indies by ACCIDENT

Wouldn't that fit in?? Oda has constantly compared Roger to Luffy. and looking at Luffy, we can see that he's very clumsy, and gets lucky.... now IF luffy is like Roger, Roger could be a goofball too. And people were asking, If Roger went to Raftel, why doesn't Shanks know the location.... Maybe cause Roger found Raftel by ACCIDENT, and doesn't have a real location mapped out..

ya digg?

[Gizmo]

Nice research, yea this could be a real part of where he got his ideas from. Two thumbs up

but i think the poneglyph lost civilization is from somewhere else though, but it oculd also be from here.

[FireFistAce 0]

No, the Aztec calender is not the Poneglyph.

Poneglyphs come from Olivier Levasseur, a Pirate nicknamed "The Buzzard". He was a brilliant pirate who was known to be incredibly fast. Upon his execution, he took off a necklace he was wearing and threw it into the crowd, shouting, "Find my treasure, he who may understand this!" In the necklace was a cryptogram with twelve lines. To this day, no one has fully solved the cryptogram.

And as for the New World, Spain pretty much had dominance for most of the Great Pirate Age, because they owned the Peruvian Silver Train. The only pirate to successfully capture the Silver Train was Sir Francis Drake.

[b0it0i]

New World, Spain pretty much had dominance for most of the Great Pirate Age, because they owned the Peruvian Silver Train.

hrmm. i meant during the Age of Exploration.

Spain sure dominated a lot of land. Central America and South America, but
Portugal ended up with Brazil, pretty big sized area
England ended up with Colonial America, in North America
and France ended up with Canada

[Gizmo]

@Fire Fist:

No, the Aztec calender is not the Poneglyph.

Poneglyphs come from Olivier Levasseur, a Pirate nicknamed "The Buzzard". He was a brilliant pirate who was known to be incredibly fast. Upon his execution, he took off a necklace he was wearing and threw it into the crowd, shouting, "Find my treasure, he who may understand this!" In the necklace was a cryptogram with twelve lines. To this day, no one has fully solved the cryptogram..

Yea, now I remember. somebody put that up in a thread. That was pretty cool find.

[Kirin D. Cross]

FFA wasnt there a thread a while ago that talked about Levasseur and his cryptogram?

Anyways who knows.. It kinda makes since.. Ahh I cant think of it off the top of my head but there was that like whole city or something that no one found until recently that was to be built by the Aztecs or Mayans.. I think they found it or mabye they didnt?? anyone wanna clear me up here

[FireFistAce 0]

@Kirin:

FFA wasnt there a thread a while ago that talked about Levasseur and his cryptogram?

Anyways who knows.. It kinda makes since.. Ahh I cant think of it off the top of my head but there was that like whole city or something that no one found until recently that was to be built by the Aztecs or Mayans.. I think they found it or mabye they didnt?? anyone wanna clear me up here

That's the Incas, and you're referring to El Dorado, the city of gold that exists in the mountains. It's the inspiration for Shandora, obviously, only El Dorado is hidden in the Andies Mountains, not in the sky. It's never been found.

[Kirin D. Cross]

@Fire Fist:

That's the Incas, and you're referring to El Dorado, the city of gold that exists in the mountains. It's the inspiration for Shandora, obviously, only El Dorado is hidden in the Andies Mountains, not in the sky. It's never been found.

Nah it was macchu Picchu it just came to me.. But that was discovered in the early 1900s..

[joekido the Second]

To tell you, America was never really an new world, people has come here for thousands of years before Columbus. It just that it's not until 1492 that Europe begins to colonize the land and it's "new" to them, but not to the Indians.

[Zulen]

One Piece is a burger joint.

[Cap'n Carter]

[Zulen]

Fun for the whole family!

[joekido the Second]

Yeah, that's funny but I hope your not make a mockery of me.

[Mister_Anbu]

@ Joekido, being the new world means it's new to a certain group of people.

Also, you could look at it as the new world in one piece has always been there too. Thus, the similarities continue. New World is just a label for something unknown.

[b0it0i]

^^word..

and it's in the books that the Americas are called the "New World"

i didn't just come up with the name

[Strohhut-Ruffy]

Maybe Oda took this idea up from here.
We'll find it out, when someone asks him in SBS.

[Pants-eater]

I hope Luffy and his crew enslave the peoples in the new world and sell them off as slaves to work in plantations whilst keeping and brutalising their own group and raping them as they please.

Nah. Great theory b0it0i. Using this, I think we might to able to guess some characters personalities.

[Chlodwig Shillingsfürst]

Didn't we already see the natives with their indian-like mythology and ruins and all that back in Skypeia…?

However, this whole New World thing is of course exciting, especially the colonies and stuff like that. Wouldn't mind seeing a late 19th century Alaska-ish Island, or a Peruvian Incaian Island, where the natives are poor and all that, exploited by the World Government who has put up colonial regimes there. Seriously, I'd love it if One Piece went a bit Tintin-ish at some points.

However, the island I would most like would be a 19th century Australian Island, with aboriginals, out-laws, gold-diggers, and all that. And of course where it's Dreamtime, and the laws of physics is all fucked up.

The probability that any of thhese things will happend is of course less than 1 over infinity, yet, I always wished for the Strawhats to reach a Venice-like Island, and when Water 7 appeared, thanks, Oda...

To the point... I think that with the New World Oda would more probably be refering to that in the New World in the 16th and 17th century, didn't really mean the Americas, but rather the Caribbean, where the pirates were far more powerful. Yet, who knows?

[zeroxtb]

@Cap'n:

http://markprigoff.com/dvd/coming_to_america.jpg

eddie murphy will be the newest crewmember

[MB.]

@joekido:

To tell you, America was never really an new world, people has come here for thousands of years before Columbus. It just that it's not until 1492 that Europe begins to colonize the land and it's "new" to them, but not to the Indians.

What indians? I don't see any indians. You are lying.

[Masta D.]

Yet another interesting theory surfaces. Brilliant find. Why can't more people put their minds into research like this instead of starting Usopp appreciation day and ShanksxMihawk threads…???

[Polygon]

**I had an idea similar to this awhile ago (I don't post half the ideas I get), though it wasn't as deep as this.

Nice job.**

[Kirin D. Cross]

With the America being the new world and all can really go hand in hand with the grand line.. Obviously people had to live on the grandline in ancient times ( The Ancient Civ. its kinda like the natives of the Americas) but It wasnt Amerigo Vespucci( i think ) made it to the Americas that countries actually started to go there..

If you think of it like the then Roger is kinda like the columbus of One piece.. He was the first to brave it all without fear and actually make the grandline his home

[CoCo2576]

if columbus was Roger it would be messed up, since Columbus only found america by accedent…

[b0it0i]

^^^

actually, wouldn't that fit in?? Oda has constantly compared Roger to Luffy. and looking at Luffy, we can see that he's very clumsy, and gets lucky…. now IF luffy is like Roger, Roger could be a goofball too. And people were asking, If Roger went to Raftel, why doesn't Shanks know the location.... Maybe cause Roger found Raftel by ACCIDENT, and doesn't have a real location mapped out..

[Impel Down]

Look, One Piece world is NOT Earth. America does not exist.

[Polygon]

@Impel:

Look, One Piece world is NOT Earth. America does not exist.

This made me laugh.

[Gizmo]

@Impel:

America does not exist.

Where do I live then?

[Le Lawliet]

When the crew gets to the new world, will they meet Pocahontas?

[Gizmo]

@Le:

When the crew gets to the new world, will they meet Pocahontas?

They could, watch in the new world they go to a native american island where the people are at peace but then the WG starts changing them or something like htat.

[Greg]

Ow, brain….hurting.....blood.....seeeping into.....eyes........nervous system........shutting dow-

A theory is a theory but don't you think that's a bit of a stretch? So far your evidence is based upon a foreign perspective and symbolism. We can't even be sure that Oda would recognize such themes in the same way.

I'm not one to throw down discussion and I'm sure it will be a very different place, but I doubt he'd want to connect it to the real world that much because then it would be just....

boring

[b0it0i]

^^^why not

the idea of the government being evil, pirates (in general), specific pirates, asian mythology, the moon, the ocean… the ships.....

is that not all part of OUR World

and about the foreign perspective.
these are facts, that are put into textbooks. it's not just my opinion. but i can understand that facts in a textbooks are opinions too..... but... yeah.

well i didn't know if i should add this.. but

Zheng He, BEFORE COLUMBUS, and every one else, was a Chinese Explorer that sailed from China through the Indian Ocean and traveled along the West Coast of Africa. He's considered to be one of the greatest explorers, even though he isn't widely popular.

I live in America, and i am learning about all this, and ^^ this Chinese explorer.

Now.. If i was a japanese student, that went to a japanese school, i would most definitely learn about Zheng He. and this japanese student being Oda.
You can't tell me Oda just wanted to create a story about pirates exploring the seas without being inspired by something he learned, can you?

[Greg]

Now.. If i was a japanese student, that went to a japanese school, i would most definitely learn about Zheng He. and this japanese student being Oda.

Would you like me to ask one? There's about 400 of them exactly 7 meters to my right at this very instant.

[FireFistAce 0]

@b0it0i:

and i just read the thread about "BB proof that dragon is a logia" and found this nifty gem

1. Byakko the White Tiger (Whitebeard), Associated with West and Autumn; a protector, and known as the King of animals and lord of mountains.

2. Suzaku the Red Phoenix (Shanks), Associated with the South and Summer; associated with Good fortune and Prosperity.

3. Seiryu the Blue-green Dragon (?????), Associated with East and Spring; a symbol of justice and benevolent rule.

4. Genbu the Black Turtle (?????), Emperor of Winter and the North, Bringer of Wisdom and Longevity.

i saw it before, but it slipped my mind when i made this post..

well East, West, North, South

East (North America) = Britain –> Colonies

West (South America) = Spain --> ALOT of spanish countries. (although the spanish had alot of influence on territories all around South America, and thus they were not necesarily confined to the Western part of the Americas..

after the Treaty of Tordesillas, Spain agreed with Portugal to split the possesion of the territory with a line drawn near Brazil. Spain gets everything to the West. and Portugese get everything to the East, basically Spain got the entire West Coast... including parts of the West Coast in North America

South (South America) = Portugal --> Brazil, (and actually before the spanish took over, Portugese explorers sailed and explorered the southern tip of South America) and see ^^above, Treaty of Tordesillas. basically, the Portugese were confined to South America

North (North America) = France --> Canada

ya digg?

I just wanna point out that the Shijin are the four guardian spirits (5 in the chinese myth) of the Cardinal Directions. They have nothing to do with the "New World" concept, they go back very far in ancient Chinese/Japanese Shinto Mythology.

[Le Lawliet]

@Greg:

Would you like me to ask one? There's about 400 of them exactly 7 meters to my right at this very instant.

O please, you don't teach 400 students at one time.

Do you?

But yea, Greg should know, seeing as he is a teacher in Japan on… say Greg, what do you teach anyways?

[FireFistAce 0]

@Le:

O please, you don't teach 400 students at one time.

Do you?

But yea, Greg should know, seeing as he is a teacher in Japan on… say Greg, what do you teach anyways?

Isn't it obvious? English, silly rabbit.

[Le Lawliet]

O psh, I only speak American.

[FireFistAce 0]

@Le:

O psh, I only speak American.

Yet your usernname is French.

Anyway, BoT: The New World is just a general term for the unknown. Oda's not a political Scientist, he's a mangaka. He'll put whatever seems cool in the New World.

And Lief Erikson Discovered America.

[Le Lawliet]

Yet your usernname is French.

Incorrect. It's not french. My last name is Le, and Lawliet is L's last name from Death Note.

[Greg]

O please, you don't teach 400 students at one time.

That would be chaos.

I say 400 because I'm in the teacher's office and across the 7m courtyard is every classroom ^_~ I can actually see every class from my desk if I turn my head right.

I teach American. ^O^

And so this relates somehow to the discussion at hand.

They haven't a clue who he is.

[Sogeking D. Usopp]

Actually all Columbus did was find the West Indies; and even then he was looking for India. He's accredited for things that aren't really credible; as the indiginous peoples were there way before he was.

Columbus: "I do say we must've found India!"
Crewmate: "But thats an island, not a landmass…" gunshot
Columbus: "India I say!" holding smoking gun

Stabs Thread Silly Portugese Explorers.

Not to mention New World in One Piece refers to the sea, not a continent. It would be difficult to show any similarities.

[b0it0i]

Greg what grade do you teach? if they dont know who they are, then i'm mistaken, it was an assumption. but i'm sure at least a couple of students have heard something about him….

^^yeah columbus stumbled upon the indies by accident, and i added a reply discussing that.

and the New World is JUST the sea??? .... can't be... I'm pretty sure the New World is EVERYTHING past that red line.... not just land... not just sea...

[Greg]

10th, 11th and 12th Graders.

[Pants-eater]

Australia One Piece-fied is win.

[Angel emfrbl]

Okay they are not slabs of stone… But there is a written language in america that no one can read. There were some indians who used beads + string like we used pen and paper. No one can read them now because the readers are all dead. And its not easy because this is text involved, but string and beads.

[FireFistAce 0]

@Angel:

Okay they are not slabs of stone… But there is a written language in america that no one can read. There were some indians who used beads + string like we used pen and paper. No one can read them now because the readers are all dead. And its not easy because this is text involved, but string and beads.

This is Levasseur's cryptogram:

Any questions?

[Buuhan1]

Jesus Christ, just when I thought Oda couldn't be more of a genius, he proves me wrong. If Oda truly does research all this and has made it into the story as early on as what some of that points to than….just...wow...

[Monkey D. Ruffy]

Hehe yeah I thought everyone knew that the first European to discover America was Leif Eriksson, like 50 years before Columbus there was that Chinese, but as mentioned he wasn't European, but 500 years before Columbus was Leif Eriksson, who was Nothern European, but it wasn't until Columbus that Europeans started colonising America.

And anyway, I don't buy this whole theory that the "New World" is supposed to be America, since we know that Elbaf is in the New World, and everyone knows they are based on the Vikings.

//Monkey D. Ruffy

[Impel Down]

The chinese could have discovered it, but then Zheng He got arrested or something

[MasterLag]

@b0it0i:

3. Seiryu the Blue-green Dragon (?????), Associated with East and Spring; a symbol of justice and benevolent rule.

Im just gonna say this guy will have ryuu ryuu no mi(dragon devil fruit) power