Yes, they would burn the water. How intelligent. Anyway, I believe, still, that this will a be a purely Brooke themed arc.
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"Sixth Person" Arc Theory
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@Impel:
Yes, they would burn the water. How intelligent. Anyway, I believe, still, that this will a be a purely Brooke themed arc.
No, I mean they would get the book out of lake, dry them and then burn them or destroy by means of somethng else.
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Well, they blew up the island anyway, so the books are gone. For good. And besides, the SHs aren't going to Ohara any time soon. They are STILL IN THE GRAND LINE!
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@Impel:
Well, they blew up the island anyway, so the books are gone. For good. And besides, the SHs aren't going to Ohara any time soon. They are STILL IN THE GRAND LINE!
The books weren't gone after they blew up the island. Somehow I have the feeling that Olvia sacrificed herself for nothing.
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i think you guys are reading a little bit too much into the whole 'numbering' theory, as i don't really understand what difference it makes, but anyways. here's to hoping this clears things up a bit. this is no 'solid' evidence but i think it might clear some things up. i got all of this information from full-color spreads.
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you can clearly see that each member is numbered from 1-6, starting with luffy and ending with chopper. the only person who doesn't have a designated number is robin, which leads me to…
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and its right on her shirt.
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i think you guys are reading a little bit too much into the whole 'numbering' theory, as i don't really understand what difference it makes, but anyways. here's to hoping this clears things up a bit. this is no 'solid' evidence but i think it might clear some things up. i got all of this information from full-color spreads.
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you can clearly see that each member is numbered from 1-6, starting with luffy and ending with chopper. the only person who doesn't have a designated number is robin, which leads me to…
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and its right on her shirt.
Those numbers don't match the Titles from the manga, though.
"The First Person" is Zoro joining.
"The Fourth Person" is Sanji joining.
"The Second Person" is after Luffy defeats Arlong, freeing Nami.
And "The Third and the Seventh" was just recently.
So Robin is definitely the 6th person from the Title point of view.
Those color spreads are unconnected.
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Robin's and Aokiji's discussion seemed to signify that Robin finally had settled with her past at Ohara, and that she had found her place, and were happy about it. It would be "crappy sequel"-ish of Oda to give her another runaway.
The only person in the Strawhats at the present that I could expect a runaway from at the present time is Zoro.
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Zoro wouldn't run away for nothing tho…it'd have to be something like...."BlackBeard's over there...Mihawk is 50 miles in the other direction...split up and whatever happens happens" kind of thing. Either that or he'd fall asleep on an island or something.
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"Pretty isn't beautiful: Pretty is what changes…
What the eye arranges is what is beautiful"
-S. Sondheim, sunday in the park with george
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Come to think of it, unlike for Nami Robins enemy still isn´t defeated. She just made peace with the nightmare that was chasing her. The World Government Luffy declared war on still exists and is fully functional.
I don´t think that Robin has to run away again or to pull something of that sort to get her "sixth person" title. IMO it coule work quite well to see the fall of that enemy which if it happens will take place very late in the story. Either the fall of the Gorosei of Sengoku or simply Akainu´s defeat will be proper moments for that title IMO.
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Random, but has anyone noticed that Oda has like never done a spread with Franky ever?
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@Impel:
Random, but has anyone noticed that Oda has like never done a spread with Franky ever?
Yes he has, twice.
One of them is way back then. It showed the strawhats, including Franky, and at the bottom all of CP9.
Also, on one of the more recent ones, where all the strawhats are going down stairs.
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… coincidentally the chapter we're talking about most of the time in this thread. It's chapter 439 "Third and Seventh Person", in case you forgot.
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I remember that intently. That means that Robin is member #6, and she already had her arc. Brooke needs some love too.
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Im pretty sure the whole robin thing is done since there was a whole freaking arc about her it is just assumed she is the 6th crew member. this is just overthinking things at its best
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I guess that makes TS the 8th crew member. And Brooke the 9th. If you add Luffy, that's the golden 10 crew members Luffy wanted.
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ships are not nakama Usopp had to learn that lesson the hard way.
edit:also even if they are…iono its a ship, not really a person.
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Im pretty sure the whole robin thing is done since there was a whole freaking arc about her it is just assumed she is the 6th crew member. this is just overthinking things at its best
The sole fact that Oda after over 400 chapters still uses the concept of numbering Luffy´s crewmates in the chapter titles shows that there is no overthinking of things. The title "Third and Seventh Person" is the proof that he doesn´t forget about people who didn´t have that treatment so far and that no matter how long it takes they will get one. Usopp got his one after hunderds of chapters. Robin and Chopper, who are the only ones who don´t have one yet will most definitely get one at some point.
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WTF would someone explain how we "dont have Robin"
幸せについて本気出して考えてみた!!
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WTF would someone explain how we "dont have Robin"
Robin and Chopper have not gotten their "5th person" and "6th person" chapters yet, meaning there's something they still have to resolve. For Chopper, it's probably Monster point. For Robin, who can say? It's probably a confrontation with Sakazuki.
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@Fire Fist:
Robin and Chopper have not gotten their "5th person" and "6th person" chapters yet, meaning there's something they still have to resolve. For Chopper, it's probably Monster point. For Robin, who can say? It's probably a confrontation with Sakazuki.
ok elaborate a little bit more
what do you mean by 5th person and 6th person chapters? are you basing this off of chapter titles?
幸せについて本気出して考えてみた!!
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ok elaborate a little bit more
what do you mean by 5th person and 6th person chapters? are you basing this off of chapter titles?
Every person that has joined Luffy has had a Chapter called "The nth person" when their situations are resolved. For example, Zoro had nothing really holding him back, so his chapter was "The first person" right when he joined. Nami's "The 2nd person" chapter didn't come until Arlong's defeat. Usopp's "The 3rd Person" didn't come until he let go of the GM and realized he wasn't a kid playing pretend anymore. (Chapter 438) Sanji's "The 4th person chapter came after Krieg's defeat and Sanji realized Zeff and the Baratie was safe. And Franky's Chapter came at the same time as Usopp's, when the Franky Family were given jobs at Galley-La and Franky knew they could take care of themselves.
So far, Chopper has not had a "The 5th Person" chapter, and Robin has not had a "The 6th Person" Chapter. That means that there's something left for them to resolve before they can fully commit themselves to the crew.
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I don't think Chopper's deal is his Monster Point alone. I mean, the only thing he did was break Kureha's promise. Although, he still joined for light reasons and still has his own cute world. Yeah, he suffered in his 3 fights and had his will strong, but he won in a flash. And in the last fight he had it extrmemly easy. He won without being there.
Also, he had the rest of the arc from his two last solo fights not known to him. He didn't have that tension that might break him, and I'm sure Oda means that.He doesn't really know much about the Monster Point too, much less than Nami.
I don't have so much ideas how to fix this though, while still making it good and enjoyable to the fullest. Oda might do so. Oda will do so.Robin.. Dunno, maybe after more experience while seeing Chopper break and return or something, and finalize her feeling completely [we might think they are now, but maybe she will show a weakness later]. Let's say, if she was replaced with another member except Usopp in WG saga, and already had her EL arc, she'll be a real nakama at the end.
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Robin had her 6th (or rather 7th since they counted Luffy) in the anime… Does that count?
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Personally, I wouldn't count it. I'm going by Oda's manga chapter titles and, for me, the author is the single most definitive information source.
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Personally, I wouldn't count it. I'm going by Oda's manga chapter titles and, for me, the author is the single most definitive information source.
The chapter titles have noting to do with deciding who is an officially member of strawats crew. This is over analyzing things way too much.
Luffy decides who is part of his crew. Don't tell me no one, as in either readers or Luffy and other strawhats, considered Ussop part of the crew until that chapter titled "3rd" person came up? Additionally if Franky is 7th member than Robin must be counted already as the 6th member. Number 7 comes after number 6 not after number 5
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The chapter titles have noting to do with deciding who is an officially member of strawats crew. This is over analyzing things way too much.
Luffy decides who is part of his crew. Don't tell me anyone, as in either readers or Luffy and other strawhats, considered Ussop part of the crew until that chapter titled "3rd" person came up? Additionally if Franky is 7th member than Robin must be counted already as the 6th member. Number 7 comes after number 6 not after number 5
Unless they've resolved their past, they have obligations that CAN prevent them from totally dedicating themselves to the Strawhats. Usopp was NOT a crewmember until he let go of the GM and acknowledge that Luffy is Captain (And not him pretending to be one).
Until their past is resolved and they can fully dedicate thsemselves to the crew, they're not nakama, despite the fact Luffy considers them one or not. Oda came up with "The nth Person" chapters for this specific purpose. The fact that he uses this 438 chapters after "The 1st Person" joined is proof of that.
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Additionally if Franky is 7th member than Robin must be counted already as the 6th member.
That doesn't make sense. And yes, the number are involved.
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And TS is the 8th and Brooke is 9th.
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TS is the 8th
Ships are not people.
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GM never was a number, she was only really considered a nakama upon its final hours. Was not a "Number" she was a ship.
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Nah. She was a nakama. There's difference between nakama and crewmember, that's why we're using two different words.
GM was a nakama, Vivi's a nakama, TS's a nakama, but none is a crewmember. -
Going Merry was was a crewmember because she got her own cover.
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Vivi got her cover too. Is she a crewmember?
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@Impel:
Going Merry was was a crewmember because she got her own cover.
She's not. She was a nakama, not a crewmember. Just like Tom was a nakama to Roger. Crewmembers get numbers. There's an SBS in Skypeia where Chopper identifies everyone's 2 numbers and smell (Except his own, of course).
Luffy: Captain
1st Person: Zoro
2nd Person: Nami
3rd Person: Usopp
4th Person: Sanji
5th Person: Chopper
6th Person: Robin
7th Person: Franky
8th Person: Brook (If he joins)No ship, no Carue, no Vivi. They were Nakama, not official crewmembers.
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This isn't the first time I've been introduced to this theory (or not so much theory anymore). I find it quite outstanding that Oda has planned from the beginning of the story when Usopp "joins", when he would actually join as a crewmember. The planning ahead is just amazing…
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Well, Usopp was always a crewmember, he just got scared and ran off for a while.
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@Impel:
Well, Usopp was always a crewmember, he just got scared and ran off for a while.
That means it wasn't official. And he didn't get scared, he felt useless.
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Even though he beat Chuu, Mr.4, helped beat Sasori, repaired stuff, built Nami's weapon, and other things?
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@Impel:
Even though he beat Chuu, Mr.4, helped beat Sasori, repaired stuff, built Nami's weapon, and other things?
I thought we had already done this to death….
Yes. After the encounter with Ao Kiji, Usopp realized that the Mugiwaras would be facing foes of that level from now on; they weren't a small-time crew anymore. Usopp then broke down over the fact that he isn't nearly as capable in battle as any of his nakama, and that inferiority complex, his stubbornness, and his attachment to Going Merry led to his leaving the crew.
However, Usopp realized later on that traveling with Luffy et al. is what he really wants to now that he's admitted his foolishness for leaving (but not resolved his other problems), the crew re-accepted Usopp back in the crew and Usopp got a numbered chapter, which tells us that he's free of his doubts about sailing with Luffy, and is prepared to follow him to the ends of the earth.
But yes, back to the five and six numbered chapters - my suspicion is that Robin gets hers after Aka Inu catches up to the Mugiwaras and Robin is facing the consequences of Ohara's research again; Chopper gets his after he does something truly awful while using Monster Point (as in maim a fellow crew member or destroy an innocent town or something) and faces a crisis of confidence that causes him to worry if he's fit to travel with the Mugiwaras or not.
And while I'm here, I'm still not sold on Brook being the next permanent crew member or not. I think the guy's hilarious, but I have no idea how this Thriller Park arc is going to end up.
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We have been over this, but FFA was douching off again and I had to put him in his place.
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And while I'm here, I'm still not sold on Brook being the next permanent crew member or not. I think the guy's hilarious, but I have no idea how this Thriller Park arc is going to end up.
Wait, you don't? I thought it's pretty obvious.. Not much to wonder, But I seriously think you people are taking this too seriously. Have you been like that every single arc a crewmember entered?
Luffy asked Brooke to join, Brooke denied and unpurposely provoked Luffy to go to where he is. Luffy seemed pretty determined too, and Brooke will happily join them if he has his Shadow. We have 8 super strong people and some shitty guy stealing shadows where it means no shit.
Oh god, that last sentence actually sounds cool [At least to me]. -
They didn't really do lots of info about Franky though. Maybe the next one is about him (like how did you became a cyborg ot such
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@Jedi:
They didn't really do lots of info about Franky though. Maybe the next one is about him (like how did you became a cyborg ot such
How he became a cyborg? He modified himself after the incident. That's all there is to it, dude. The only thing Franky might have we don't know and is important is his dad, and his other cool weapons. They gave enough info on him, and for proof he got his chapter title.
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Chopper has no mystery behind him. Now, Brook is right now as mysterious as Kuma, I think.
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@Impel:
We have been over this, but FFA was douching off again and I had to put him in his place.
And ID kicks a field goal… FTW!
@Rai:
We have 8 super strong people and some shitty guy stealing shadows where it means no shit.
Oh god, that last sentence actually sounds cool [At least to me].At least for you is right. The second half of that… I can't even comprehend. Sorry.
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@Impel:
Even though he beat Chuu, Mr.4, helped beat Sasori, repaired stuff, built Nami's weapon, and other things?
Cough Don't insult me, kid.
In a Shonen Manga, your worth is determined by your combat ability, not by your ability to fix stuff. Franky made a bunch of crap for the Strawhats, but he can fight, too. Usopp can't fight so great. In my eyes or your eyes or even the Strawhat's eyes, he's valuable, but he's garbage to many of the people in the OP world, and that's why Usopp feels useless as well. And Usopp said it himself:
Usopp: No, I'm serious… I've been thinking it over...
To be honest, I don't think I can keep up with you freaks of nature anymore!!!
Hell, I can't even be trusted to guard money anymore.
I'm only going to hold you guys back in the future...!!!
You don't need weak crew members!!!
You're going to be the Pirate King, Luffy.
I don't have to go all the way to the "top" with you...!!
Now that I think back on it, when I was ready to set sail...Usopp has low self esteem. The Franky Family beating the crap out of him didn't help.
He felt useless. End of story.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fire Fist:
Cough Don't insult me, kid.
In a Shonen Manga, your worth is determined by your combat ability, not by your ability to fix stuff. Franky made a bunch of crap for the Strawhats, but he can fight, too. Usopp can't fight so great. In my eyes or your eyes or even the Strawhat's eyes, he's valuable, but he's garbage to many of the people in the OP world, and that's why Usopp feels useless as well. And Usopp said it himself:
Usopp: No, I'm serious… I've been thinking it over...
To be honest, I don't think I can keep up with you freaks of nature anymore!!!
Hell, I can't even be trusted to guard money anymore.
I'm only going to hold you guys back in the future...!!!
You don't need weak crew members!!!
You're going to be the Pirate King, Luffy.
I don't have to go all the way to the "top" with you...!!
Now that I think back on it, when I was ready to set sail...Usopp has low self esteem. The Franky Family beating the crap out of him didn't help.
He felt useless. End of story.
Bull.
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Isn't it just easier to say that Usopp, feeling USELESS, was SCARED to carry on with the Straw Hats because he felt weak.
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No, he wasn't feeling useless or weak, he was scared because he know the Admirals or the CP9 or someone would come and rape them up the ass.
