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      This is Anime/Manga Fantasy land!! Who says fire is going to melt sand?? Can you show me in real life sand CUTTING Bulidings and destroying TEMPLES!!?? Or how about Lightning hot enough NOT able to melt Rubber?!!!

      Like I said we don't know how the fights will turn out all so you should shutup and wait for that to happen.

      Crocodile vs. Smoker???

      I said "yes" as a taunt.
      My main point was that we don't know the outcome of fights we haven't seen.

      As for sand destroying buildings, it's called erosion, it's slow, but it happens, look it up. Also, I was just acknowledging OIP's point. I know this is fantasy and that's why there are no set rules.

      My reasons for the Smoker comment are based on Smoker's own comments, not on some theory about how smoker and sand affect each other.

      WARNING (Explicit Dialog)!!

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        Well I can agree to that.

        Lets just wait and see how things play out then we can start who vs who will win threads OK.

        Ace, Croc Enel, CP9 and east blues guys are the only ones we seen go all out.

        Just sit back and wait b/c nothing going to get resolved.

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          we don't know how smoker vs croc would have been,propably smokey would win cuz of his sword and ace vs aokiji is tricky

          @WB what exactly is that smilie doing???????? is is what is think it is?

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            I said "yes" as a taunt.
            My main point was that we don't know the outcome of fights we haven't seen.

            As for sand destroying buildings, it's called erosion, it's slow, but it happens, look it up. Also, I was just acknowledging OIP's point. I know this is fantasy and that's why there are no set rules.

            My reasons for the Smoker comment are based on Smoker's own comments, not on some theory about how smoker and sand affect each other.

            I agree with WHITEBEARD!!!!

            My point is only characters that you have seen go all out are the ones that you can compare (CP9, Ace, Crocodile, Ener, etc..)!!!

            Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!

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              @WB what exactly is that smilie doing???????? is is what is think it is?

              Its LOL so hard that its crying.

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                As for sand destroying buildings, it's called erosion, it's slow, but it happens, look it up. Also, I was just acknowledging OIP's point. I know this is fantasy and that's why there are no set rules.

                A giant sand sword/pole smashing rocks or anything in its way is not erosion, this is called brute strength. Erosion happens over time, whether its 20 seconds or 20 years

                I'm also going to agree with WHITEBEARD just wait and see what happens.

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                  Its LOL so hard that its crying.

                  are you sure????? i think it is: (18+)

                  [hide] http://www.therallyshack.co.uk/images/biker%20t-shirts%20uk/blowjob%20t-shirt.jpg [/hide]

                  just look at it

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                    A giant sand sword/pole smashing rocks or anything in its way is not erosion, this is called brute strength. Erosion happens over time, whether its 20 seconds or 20 years

                    I agree.

                    Corc cut the ground and he cut it deep.

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                      and he cut it deep.

                      LMAO,you can use it like this:
                      [hide]
                      "you can me" (when needed) [/hide]

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                        LOL smoker did you not read what smoker said after he beat that guy with the weak bounty.Luffy cant beat smoker. it will be the same as it was in smokers town.

                        So you say, but you're ignoring how much Luffy has improved since Loguetown.

                        You act like Croc ko and punch him in to the water. Croc had smoker in a sea stone cage the only thing that going to save luffy from him.

                        Completely missing the point. It doesn't matter HOW he was beaten, the fact remains that if he can easily be trapped in a cage and then almost drowned, then Crocodile outwitted him. Who said pirates fight fair? That's one of the first things Shanks says at the start of the series. Pirates are pirates. If they can trick you or outsmart you, then they'll do it. This isn't a world where everyone's gonna go, "Okay, the honoroable thing to do is meet at 3 tomorrow and fight each other. Okay?"

                        Its hot touching him it is hook on his strap.

                        Yeah, so explain to me how a thin leather strap protects him from his Jutte's seastone when he had to wear a thickass jacket before and thick leather gloves.

                        You love to ignore facts.…..Smoker also works at his own pace.
                        The man told the 5 stars the highest authority of the WORLD to eat shit!
                        Smoker do as he please.

                        Yeah, you ignore facts. Apparently you don't have a job, especially a military job. If you told your superior officer (even your immediate superior) to "Eat shit", you'd be court martialed and put in the brig so fast your head would spin.

                        Smoker is lucky as hell he's not in jail right now.

                        I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                          So you say, but you're ignoring how much Luffy has improved since Loguetown.

                          It dont matter. luffy has no way of beating smoker.

                          Completely missing the point. It doesn't matter HOW he was beaten, the fact remains that if he can easily be trapped in a cage and then almost drowned, then Crocodile outwitted him. Who said pirates fight fair? That's one of the first things Shanks says at the start of the series. Pirates are pirates. If they can trick you or outsmart you, then they'll do it. This isn't a world where everyone's gonna go, "Okay, the honoroable thing to do is meet at 3 tomorrow and fight each other. Okay?"

                          Smoker was not beaten by croc! Show me when they fought???

                          Yeah, so explain to me how a thin leather strap protects him from his Jutte's seastone when he had to wear a thickass jacket before and thick leather gloves.

                          Come oh FFA his sea stone is not toching him.

                          Yeah, you ignore facts. Apparently you don't have a job, especially a military job. If you told your superior officer (even your immediate superior) to "Eat shit", you'd be court martialed and put in the brig so fast your head would spin.

                          So your point is?????? this is One piece not the Real World.

                          WE HAVE NOT SEEN SMOKER GO ALL OUT YET NOTHING IS GONIG TO GET RESOVLED.

                          SO SIT BACK AND WAIT! TILL WE SEE WHAT NEEDS TO BE SEEN!

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                            It dont matter. luffy has no way of beating smoker.

                            You don't know that. Dude, USOPP could beat Smoker by sucking him up into a Milky dial.

                            Smoker was not beaten by croc! Show me when they fought???

                            So the only way someone can be beaten is in combat? That's completely absurd. Smoker was tricked into getting trapped in a Seastone cage by Crocodile and almost drowned. Smoker was outwitted by Crocodile.

                            Come oh FFA his sea stone is not toching him.

                            Whatever, this is too minor to worry about.

                            So your point is?????? this is One piece not the Real World.

                            WE HAVE NOT SEEN SMOKER GO ALL OUT YET NOTHING IS GONIG TO GET RESOVLED.

                            SO SIT BACK AND WAIT! TILL WE SEE WHAT NEEDS TO BE SEEN!

                            My point is, you don't talk back to your superior officers without repercussions. Two pirates talked back to Krieg and got capped. A Marine talked back to Scarface and got capped. Gin refused to kill Sanji and got gassed. Smoker's lucky to still have a job.

                            I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                              You don't know that. Dude, USOPP could beat Smoker by sucking him up into a Milky dial.

                              LOL I not going to responed. I change my mind you think smoker would use his df power on ussop!

                              So the only way someone can be beaten is in combat? That's completely absurd. Smoker was tricked into getting trapped in a Seastone cage by Crocodile and almost drowned. Smoker was outwitted by Crocodile.

                              Show me when they fought???????

                              Whatever, this is too minor to worry about.

                              I think that right before I reply.

                              My point is, you don't talk back to your superior officers without repercussions. Two pirates talked back to Krieg and got capped. A Marine talked back to Scarface and got capped. Gin refused to kill Sanji and got gassed. Smoker's lucky to still have a job.

                              and who has the power to do that!:wassat: To SMOKER! If THAT WAS THE CASE SMOKER SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD.

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                                LOL I not going to responed. I change my mind you think smoker would use his df power on ussop![qimg]http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/29/41941/alol.gif[/qimg]

                                Smoker doesn't know Usopp from Adam. Smoker sees a pirate, will start turning into smoke, Usopp sucks him up. Usopp wins.

                                Show me when they fought???????

                                You're dense, dude. They didn't physically fight, but Crocodile outwitted Smoker, period. You seem to fail to realize if it wasn't for Luffy, Smoker would have died because of being outsmarted by Crocodile .

                                Mr. 3 beat Broggy, does that mean they fought? No, Mr. 3 simply outsmarted the giant.

                                Apparently you don't put much value in intelligence, which is sad.

                                I think that right before I reply.

                                and who has the power to do that!:wassat:

                                The only reason he's not sitting in jail right now is because they think he defeated Baroque Works and foiled Crocodile's plan. Otherwise, he would be.

                                I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                  Smoker doesn't know Usopp from Adam. Smoker sees a pirate, will start turning into smoke, Usopp sucks him up. Usopp wins.

                                  That what you think!

                                  You're dense, dude. They didn't physically fight, but Crocodile outwitted Smoker, period. You seem to fail to realize if it wasn't for Luffy, Smoker would have died because of being outsmarted by Crocodile .

                                  Mr. 3 beat Broggy, does that mean they fought? No, Mr. 3 simply outsmarted the giant.

                                  Apparently you don't put much value in intelligence, which is sad.

                                  Show me when they fought?????

                                  The only reason he's not sitting in jail right now is because they think he defeated Baroque Works and foiled Crocodile's plan. Otherwise, he would be.

                                  Smoker been a shit talking marine guy since day one. Your points hold no water. and didnt hina say something about helping him stay in the marines every time they are to ban smoker form the academy or something like that.

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                                    That what you think!

                                    Dude, he saw Usopp for about all of a few minutes. Smoker knows nothing about his abilities at this time.

                                    Show me when they fought?????

                                    It doesn't matter… Crocodile managed to trap Smoker in a cage and almost kill him. If it wasn't for Luffy, Smoker would be dead. Stop thinking that people have to have a one on one fight to be beaten. Smoker was outwitted by Crocodile. Period, end of story. If he hadn't been, he would've never been trapped in the seastone cage.

                                    mr. 3 trapped Broggy in wax. That's beating him. If they had fought head on, Mr. 3 would be dead. But Mr. 3 outsmarted Broggy.

                                    Apparently outsmarting people isn't good enough for you. But it doesn't matter what you think, because the fact remains that both Broggy and Smoker were outsmarted by Crocodile and Mr 3.

                                    Smoker been a shit talking marine guy since day one. Your points hold no water. and didnt hina say something about helping him stay in the marines every time they are to ban smoker form the academy or something like that.

                                    That's the ONLY reason he's not in the ocean with a bullet in his head. Did you completely forget the marine that talked back to Scarface?

                                    I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                      Dude, he saw Usopp for about all of a few minutes. Smoker knows nothing about his abilities at this time.

                                      FFA listen to yourself. USOPP!

                                      It doesn't matter… Crocodile managed to trap Smoker in a cage and almost kill him. If it wasn't for Luffy, Smoker would be dead. Stop thinking that people have to have a one on one fight to be beaten. Smoker was outwitted by Crocodile. Period, end of story. If he hadn't been, he would've never been trapped in the seastone cage.

                                      Show me when they fought?????? then we will talk.

                                      That's the ONLY reason he's not in the ocean with a bullet in his head. Did you completely forget the marine that talked back to Scarface?

                                      Smoker dont give a shit…......Smoker would be ranked higher if he did not have a badass take no shit form no one attitude. Dont trip FFA smoker is working in his people skillz.

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                                        FFA listen to yourself. USOPP!

                                        Once again, you completely miss the point. Smoker doesn't know Usopp from a hole in the ground. In theory, he'll see Usopp as a threat, turn into smoke, and immediately will be sucked up by Usopp's Milky dial.

                                        Show me when they fought?????? then we will talk.

                                        They fought in a battle of wits. Smoker lost. Nothing you say or show me will change this fact. Smoker got captured by Crocodile and put in a cage. He was outsmarted by Crocodile.

                                        And apparently despite all your rants about "Show me where they fought" and crap, nothing will change the fact that Smoker almost died because of Crocodile.

                                        Smoker dont give a shit…......Smoker would be ranked higher if he did not have a badass take no shit form no one attitude. Dont trip FFA smoker is working in his people skillz.

                                        If it wasn't for Hina, he'd be in jail.

                                        I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                          Once again, you completely miss the point. Smoker doesn't know Usopp from a hole in the ground. In theory, he'll see Usopp as a threat, turn into smoke, and immediately will be sucked up by Usopp's Milky dial.

                                          Smoker would not use his logia powers on Usopp.
                                          Infact smoker would…...

                                          ! IGNORE USOPP

                                          They fought in a battle of wits. Smoker lost. Nothing you say or show me will change this fact. Smoker got captured by Crocodile and put in a cage. He was outsmarted by Crocodile.

                                          And apparently despite all your rants about "Show me where they fought" and crap, nothing will change the fact that Smoker almost died because of Crocodile.

                                          Smoker did not battle cocr at all your point is not needed in this discussion.

                                          If it wasn't for Hina, he'd be in jail.

                                          No he would have been banned from the ACADEMY. smoker is a captain in the marines now.

                                          Smoker is still talikng shit and geting higher ranks.

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                                            C;mon Arlong can pwn Bellamy hands down!

                                            Originally Posted by Nightwing

                                            Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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                                              I'll answer the title's question with a simple answer:

                                              Blackbeard can easily beat Whitebeard because Whitebeard is weak. I dare someone to show me anything that shows Whitebeard as strong, and I mean ACTUAL PICTURES OF HIM DOING THINGS, not words.

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                                                I am your Huckleberry!!!


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                                                  Great, they split clouds in two. Blackbeard picked up a whole town. Besides, how would he do that to Blackbeard? If he can suck anything up, Whitebeard is gone before the fight starts.

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                                                    Great, they split clouds in two. Blackbeard picked up a whole town. Besides, how would he do that to Blackbeard? If he can suck anything up, Whitebeard is gone before the fight starts.

                                                    LOL they split the sky!

                                                    Look at stephens trans….........

                                                    and WOW BB pick up a few old houses.

                                                    House dont hit back!

                                                    and I didnt see Ace get sucked up? WB is stronger then Ace.

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                                                      I've read the thread, you've basically called Ace weak, which says a lot about Whitebeard, doesn't it?

                                                      Show me anything else of Whitebeard, besides sitting on his ass and maybe I'll say Blackbeard can beat him. As it stands, Blackbeard can do a lot more than Whitebeard can, since Whitebeard has only waved a weapon once, thus showing he can't do anything else, based on your logic.

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                                                        I've read the thread, you've basically called Ace weak, which says a lot about Whitebeard, doesn't it?

                                                        Whitebeard is above Ace. and alot more. (stated the strongest man in the world)

                                                        Show me anything else of Whitebeard, besides sitting on his ass and maybe I'll say Blackbeard can beat him. As it stands, Blackbeard can do a lot more than Whitebeard can, since Whitebeard has only waved a weapon once, thus showing he can't do anything else, based on your logic.

                                                        We have not seen Whitebeard or any other Big Timers in action, or going all out.

                                                        ! All your doing is guess work.

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                                                          Which is exactly what YOU are doing by saying Whitebeard can beat Blackbeard, and that whole arguement with Shanks (though that's another thread).

                                                          So, using your logic, Whitebeard has the magical sitting power and can slash a weapon (who's name escapes me right now). Also according to your logic, logic doesn't have a place in debating, since it's null and void to your arguements.

                                                          Don't get pissy at me for using your own arguements against you.

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                                                            Whitebeard is above Ace. and alot more. (stated the strongest man in the world)

                                                            We have not seen Whitebeard or any other Big Timers in action, or going all out.

                                                            ! All your doing is guess work.

                                                            Ace, as far as we know, is Whitebeard's second strongest guy. That Marco thing is speculation.

                                                            But yeah, Saloma has a point. I don't think anyone in Whitebeard's crew with a face isn't a big timer.

                                                            Also, we're all doing guesswork WHITEBEARD, the real Whitebeard's done nothing so far. Blackbeard's ability is pretty strong ,so far all we know BB is already stronger.

                                                            Also,

                                                            House dont hit back!

                                                            Neither does a cloud, and houses are a lot heavier then clouds come to think of it.

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                                                              HE'S THE STRONGEST MAN IN THE WORD!!!!!!!! HE SPLIT THE SKY!!!!

                                                              Isn't that enough info to tell you he is strong?

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                                                                HE'S THE STRONGEST MAN IN THE WORD!!!!!!!! HE SPLIT THE SKY!!!!

                                                                Isn't that enough info to tell you he is strong?

                                                                BLACKBEARD LIFTED A TOWN. HE BEAT ACE! HE DESTROYED AN ISLAND!

                                                                ….see, the reason that most boards forbid all caps posts is that it really doesn't make you seem more convincing.

                                                                The thing is, everyone, One Piece purposely withholds information from us. Some things we just can't know.

                                                                We all need to stop acting like we know these things.

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                                                                  Correction, Whitebeard AND Shanks split the sky. For all we know, it could have entirely been Shanks that did that. Him being the strongest in the world also isn't an arguement.

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                                                                    Which is exactly what YOU are doing by saying Whitebeard can beat Blackbeard, and that whole arguement with Shanks (though that's another thread).

                                                                    LOL Whitebeard is the strongest man in one piece.
                                                                    WB is greater then All until Oda says diff.

                                                                    So, using your logic, Whitebeard has the magical sitting power and can slash a weapon (who's name escapes me right now). Also according to your logic, logic doesn't have a place in debating, since it's null and void to your arguements.

                                                                    WTF?????

                                                                    Don't get pissy at me for using your own arguements against you.

                                                                    Im not your the one saying Whitebeard is weak b/c he sits on his ass all day. and guessing BB can kill him, when we have not seen WB in action yet.

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                                                                      @Saloma and Onemoment. You guys can NOT make assumptions on Whitebeards powers because he has yet to be given the opputunity that Blackbeard has had to display his skills. Blackbeard is strong and has shown the STRONGEST abilities so far yes I know, but that does NOT mean he is automatically stronger than any other High Profile player!

                                                                      Whitebeard is the STRONGEST man in the world until we see him in action THEN we compare abilities. But for now NO…..

                                                                      Thou he slay me, yet shall I trust him!!!!

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                                                                        LOL Whitebeard is the strongest man in one piece.
                                                                        WB is greater then All until Oda says diff.

                                                                        Not an arguement, since it's so flawed in many ways.

                                                                        WTF?????

                                                                        You said Shanks was weaker than Mihawk because he used a slash to attack Whitebeard with, despite the fact that we haven't seen him do anything but that, you said Mihawk was stronger because he's the strongest swordsman in the world. With that logic, Whitebeard is weaker than anyone because all he's done is do the same.

                                                                        Im not your the one saying Whitebeard is weak b/c he sits on his ass all day. and guessing BB can kill him, when we have not seen WB in action yet.

                                                                        Prove to me that Whitebeard is strong. I don't want bullshit arguements, either, I want canon proof this guy is strong. Word of mouth isn't an arguement, since people called Don Krieg and Arlong strong, so all you have is him splitting the sky. We've seen Blackbeard do much more than that, thus making him stronger in your logic.

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                                                                          LOL Whitebeard is the strongest man in one piece.
                                                                          WB is greater then All until Oda says diff.

                                                                          Im not your the one saying Whitebeard is weak b/c he sits on his ass all day. and guessing BB can kill him, when we have not seen WB in action yet.

                                                                          See, you keep doing this. You throw around words like guessing and assumptions while your ideas aren't certain either.

                                                                          The title "worlds strongest man" doesn't mean that he'll be that forever. BB is new, and in all honesty BB could be stronger then him now.

                                                                          I'm not saying he's right, but it is possible.

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                                                                            BLACKBEARD LIFTED A TOWN. HE BEAT ACE! HE DESTROYED AN ISLAND!

                                                                            Enel destroyed an island can he beat Whitebeard also?

                                                                            ….see, the reason that most boards forbid all caps posts is that it really doesn't make you seem more convincing.

                                                                            Whatever

                                                                            The thing is, everyone, One Piece purposely withholds information from us. Some things we just can't know.

                                                                            It didn't withhold "Worlds strongest man"

                                                                            We all need to stop acting like we know these things.

                                                                            We do know on e thing

                                                                            "Worlds strongest man"

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                                                                              Look, all I know is that it has been stated several times throughout the manga that Whitebeard is CURRENTLY the strongest man in the world. Until it is stated or shown otherwise, as in, until I see Whitebeard fight and lose, I will maintain that canon fact. Whitebeard is still strongest.

                                                                              Um… hi.

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                                                                                Enel destroyed an island can he beat Whitebeard also?

                                                                                Oh! You have a point! Maybe….

                                                                                no...but you missed my point. These impressive feats aren't accurate strength comparisons. Splitting the sky is a fancy feat, but in a vs. fight it's certain of nothing.

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                                                                                @Saloma and Onemoment. You guys can NOT make assumptions on Whitebeards powers because he has yet to be given the opputunity that Blackbeard has had to display his skills. Blackbeard is strong and has shown the STRONGEST abilities so far yes I know, but that does NOT mean he is automatically stronger than any other High Profile player!

                                                                                Whitebeard is the STRONGEST man in the world until we see him in action THEN we compare abilities. But for now NO…..

                                                                                No, my problem is these guys are acting like they have logical proof and that we're stupid for even thinking of it.

                                                                                BB being stronger then Whitebeard is a strong possibility, and I see no evidence proving otherwise.

                                                                                And I don't care as to whether or not I'm right on this either. I'm just saying that it's a possibility, especially since BB is after him. Doesn't it kind of make sense? Blackbeard wants Whitebeard gone, so maybe when the time is right he will just phyiscally beat him.

                                                                                Why are we removing options?

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                                                                                  If Enel could make a Raigou in the same amount of time Blackbeard destroyed the island, than maybe he could beat Whitebeard. But since we'll probably never see him again in the actual storyline, we won't know for sure.

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                                                                                    Oh! You have a point! Maybe….

                                                                                    no...but you missed my point. These impressive feats aren't accurate strength comparisons. Splitting the sky is a fancy feat, but in a vs. fight it's certain of nothing.

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                                                                                    Look, all I know is that it has been stated several times throughout the manga that Whitebeard is CURRENTLY the strongest man in the world. Until it is stated or shown otherwise, as in, until I see Whitebeard fight and lose, I will maintain that canon fact. Whitebeard is still strongest.

                                                                                    Read that onemoment

                                                                                    Now when Oda rings you and tells you otherwise you can debate, until then you're what if this and that speculation is wrong

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                                                                                      As I said, him being called "The World's Strongest Man" is a terribly flawed arguement and thus not valid in this debate.

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                                                                                        @Saloma and Onemoment. You guys can NOT make assumptions on Whitebeards powers because he has yet to be given the opputunity that Blackbeard has had to display his skills. Blackbeard is strong and has shown the STRONGEST abilities so far yes I know, but that does NOT mean he is automatically stronger than any other High Profile player!

                                                                                        Whitebeard is the STRONGEST man in the world until we see him in action THEN we compare abilities. But for now NO…..

                                                                                        QFT….....................all you WHITEBEARD HATERS STFU.

                                                                                        Sit back and wait b/c nothing is going to get resolved with out seeing who can do what.

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                                                                                          As I said, him being called "The World's Strongest Man" is a terribly flawed arguement and thus not valid in this debate.

                                                                                          Really?? Hmm, damn, sorry, I didn't realize I lived in a world where facts stated by a mangaka in his manga are a "terribly flawed argument". Sorry for the misunderstanding. =(

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                                                                                            As I said, him being called "The World's Strongest Man" is a terribly flawed arguement and thus not valid in this debate.

                                                                                            "Oda can you see this whitebeard isn't the strongest man in the world"

                                                                                            ODA-"what do you mean? It's my story I choose who is and isn't the strongest"

                                                                                            "Yea well sorry this person is reading ahead of even you the creator"

                                                                                            ODA-"…..Damn!"

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                                                                                              Read that onemoment

                                                                                              Now when Oda rings you and tells you otherwise you can debate, until then you're what if this and that speculation is wrong

                                                                                              Well, of course Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world until he's beaten…

                                                                                              I'm saying that when the time comes, Whitebeard will lose that title. Blackbeard is a worthy candidate.

                                                                                              Really?? Hmm, damn, sorry, I didn't realize I lived in a world where facts stated by a mangaka in his manga are a "terribly flawed argument". Sorry for the misunderstanding. =(

                                                                                              And yet, Oda also has this person of an undetermined level of strength who is after Whitebeard.

                                                                                              So, a fact is that Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world an Blackbeard's coming to get him. I like that summation.

                                                                                              However, if all of Blackbeards threats are useless, then aren't we wasting our time?

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                                                                                                "Oda can you see this whitebeard isn't the strongest man in the world"

                                                                                                ODA-"what do you mean? It's my story I choose who is and isn't the strongest"

                                                                                                "Yea well sorry this person is reading ahead of even you the creator"

                                                                                                ODA-"…..Damn!"

                                                                                                Hahaha, an interesting way of putting it. I'm totally with ONEinchPUNCH here.

                                                                                                Um… hi.

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                                                                                                  Really?? Hmm, damn, sorry, I didn't realize I lived in a world where facts stated by a mangaka in his manga are a "terribly flawed argument". Sorry for the misunderstanding. =(

                                                                                                  I'll show you what I mean.

                                                                                                  1.) Who gave him the title "World's Strongest Man"? - Someone would have to be the one who started calling him that, how do we know this person wasn't misinformed?

                                                                                                  2.) What determines strength? - Time and time again One Piece has showed that the strongest person doesn't always win. What do they mean by "strongest"? Is it being able to lift a lot? Is it fighting ability? They haven't gone into this at all, so you can't use it anyway you like.

                                                                                                  3.) What about unknown people not included? - The government didn't even know about Blackbeard, who is obviously a serious threat to him. He was good at hiding despite the fact that he's strong. There's also people like Luffy, who are underestimated and thought to be weaklings.

                                                                                                  4.) How long has Whitebeard had this title? - One would think he got it when Gold Roger died, which is probably the case, but if that's true, how do we know he's still as strong as he was? Since we don't know, we also do not know how strong he is.

                                                                                                  5.) How strong is "World's Strongest"? - Calling someone "World's Strongest" says nothing about HOW strong he is. For all we know, he's %0.0001 stronger than Shanks, but is the world's strongest because of that tiny difference. You can't use the arguement "He's the world's strongest!" because we don't know how strong that is.

                                                                                                  I could go on, but that covers most of it.

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                                                                                                    Dame I thought only 3 guys on this forum Ignore ODA!

                                                                                                    Well the list grows.

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                                                                                                      Questioning is not ignoring.

                                                                                                      Get your facts straight.

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                                                                                                        Dame I thought only 3 guys on this forum Ignore ODA!

                                                                                                        Well the list grows.

                                                                                                        WHITEBEARD, think about it. Whitebeard is the strongest person, and Blackbeard is trying to overthrow him.

                                                                                                        What do you think will happen when that time comes? Whitebeard just "pwning" him would be kind of boring.

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