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    Zoans: Key to reviving the dead and possible immortality? (Spoilers included)

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      CAUTION: Very long post and possible spoilers.

      We all know the properties of a Zoan type DF. We know that it it gives the user the ability to become one specific animal. We also know that they can be "fed" to inanimate objects, where the fruit creates life in the object (in the cases of Funkfeed and Lasso); this was one of the discoveries made by Dr Vegapunk's experiment.

      This leads me to my theory. What if Zoans can be used to raise the dead, or at least partially. I mean, if they can be "fed" to none living objects, can they not be "fed" to formerly living things like corpses and skeletons. So far we have seen that the objects possessing zoans, when in there hybrid mode, retain some of the properties of the object have; and they also have both full object mode as well as full animal mode. If this was applied to a corpse, could some of the properties retained, besides appearance, include memory, fighting abilty and speech, making it no different than a Zoan fruit user in their hybrid form. Also when in the normal form (as a corpse or skeleton), I theorize that they would be able to move freely of their own accord, based on the belief that the only reason Funkfeed did not move in it's sword form was because it lacked self-movement (which humans don't), as it had to be conscious to know when to change forms.

      The second part of my theory is to do with the fact that the user is dead, and if something is dead it can't be killed again (I guess). If the user is re-animated in this form, then they are technically half-dead, making them undead (speculation). If this was the case then they should be immortal in that state, as they can't die a second time (more speculation).

      The thing(s) that lead me to this belief are as such. I was curious as to why CP9 (employees of the WG like the Marines) had so many zoan types. After Coby explained about Vegapunk, I started to think that he, Vegapunk, was the one who Zoan-ised Spandam's sword, as well as being the connection Spandam mentioned that provided them with the Zoan DFs, seeing as he must have a few to use for his experiments. If my theory above is correct, then Vegapunk could be trying to create Marine super soldiers, from fomer marines. e.g. If a marine officer of great power without a DF (Garp?) died while in service, then they could be revived not just with more strength coming from the DF, but also with possible immortality. On a side note this could be one of the theories that explains the existence of Brooke Funny-bones.

      Please discuss and comment (constructive criticisms are also greatly encouraged).

      Rather live a coward than die a man.

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        That is actually very good theory. At least for now, I don't find any flaws in it.
        Put me thinking, if that theory is true, maybe Sengoku's goat is one of those experiments? You know, the real Sengoku.

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          You know, this goes along the lines of my "Brooke is Mr. 11" theory, so I don't have to make a seperate thread.

          Since Mr. 11 was an agent of Baroque Works, I always assume he ate some crappy zone like the "Bone Bone Fruit" or something, so they didn't really "Kill" him so much as kill his human body…. so now he's a skeleton. Mr 11 and Brooke are dressed exactly alike, and I don't think Oda introduced Mr. 11 without a reason.

          I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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            Wow! Congrats BG… this is really awsome! Never tought of it!

            Your theory makes Vegapunk the most dangerous man in the world!

            Could there be someone (DF or non user) who can actually kill the undead?!

            Wow... I´m amazed man....

            @ FFA: could you please tell me which was the chapter where Mr.11 was presented?

            Yeah, Brook is family…

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              Um, sure I guess you could create skeliton animals with dead bodies and Zoans. Now, giving a skeliton a hito hito would just revive the body, making it just an undead human aka a zombie.

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                I can't remember the exact chapter, but it's just after drum… Smoker tricks him into acknowledging the existence of Baroque Works.

                He wears a suit just like Brook (Except for the hat). He's also a very tall man (like Brooke).

                I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                  If it could be done, it wouldn't work fully. It's be like Funkfreed. He can't move around when he is a sword. If a corpse was turned into a Zoan, then it's only be able to move etc when it is an animal…

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                    @Fire Fist:

                    You know, this goes along the lines of my "Brooke is Mr. 11" theory, so I don't have to make a seperate thread.

                    You do have a lot of crazy theories FFA. Well nothing is definite at this point, but when I read One Piece I generally keep an open mind and when a new character is introduced, they are new. I don't start drawing lines connecting people together.

                    But assuming Brooke is telling the truth, he stated he hasn't seen a living person for 10 years and since the triangle is famous for ghost, I think you won't be far from the truth to assume he's been living (or spent his after-life 👅) in the triangle.

                    Then again, this is Oda we are predicting and it might end up just like Blackbeard using black holes. You might be right … again

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                      @Simplicio:

                      You do have a lot of crazy theories FFA. Well nothing is definite at this point, but when I read One Piece I generally keep an open mind and when a new character is introduced, they are new. I don't start drawing lines connecting people together.

                      But assuming Brooke is telling the truth, he stated he hasn't seen a living person for 10 years and since the triangle is famous for ghost, I think you won't be far from the truth to assume he's been living (or spent his after-life 👅) in the triangle.

                      Then again, this is Oda we are predicting and it might end up just like Blackbeard using black holes. You might be right … again

                      See, part of my theory ties in with that. What Brook/Mr 11 could have been saying is a pun. 10-11, get it? His codename was Mr. 11.

                      I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                        All Baroque Works members with DF abilities were 1-5 and it is stated somewhere that they were the only one's with DF powers.

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                          @Ajiro:

                          All Baroque Works members with DF abilities were 1-5 and it is stated somewhere that they were the only one's with DF powers.

                          Only 1-5 agents were shown with DF powers, but it was never stated that they were the only ones with those powers. Besides, Mr. 11 could have been a special case, and maybe his zoan was worthless (After all, what good would a Bone Zoan be except saving his ass from dying)?

                          I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                            @Fire Fist:

                            See, part of my theory ties in with that. What Brook/Mr 11 could have been saying is a pun. 10-11, get it? His codename was Mr. 11.

                            Isn't there a crack in Brook's forehead too, that would make sense, since Mr.11 got shot in the head. Such crazy theory's.

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                              Why would you want to be able to revive somebody when you're living in a world where nobody ever dies? XD
                              No seriously, Interesting theory! Though I'm not quite sure if this would be possible. "Objects" are pretty much "inanimate things", right? But so are ships. The issue about objects eating a Devil's Fruit raises a lot of questions. How are they able to "eat"? But more importantly, as you mentioned, why do the objects seem to become alive after having eaten a Devil's Fruit? I'd say objects probably were animate already - as in Japanese shintoistic belief, everything can have a soul and so on. So after having eaten a DF, objects just gain the ability to transform and move around in their new animal form.
                              As I understand it, DFs merely give body-based abilities or attributes in exchange of other abilities or attributes (ie not being able to swim = losing all powers when surrounded by water). Reviving would be a whole different deal. I think One Piece would also jump the shark if reviving was possible… and it would take away the spooky ghost theme of the Florian Triangle arc.

                              As for why the CP9 had so many Zoans... well they're the World Goverment, the most influential power in the world. If anybody could hoard a lot of DFs then it's them. And the CP9 with their funky rokushiki kung fu are aware of the fact that a power up to their close combat abilities is pretty alright so they got themselves some Zoan fruits.

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                                @Kenechi:

                                If it could be done, it wouldn't work fully. It's be like Funkfreed. He can't move around when he is a sword. If a corpse was turned into a Zoan, then it's only be able to move etc when it is an animal…

                                this seems to be the one big hole in this theory

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                                  the brook/mr.11 idea is quite intresting

                                  though i believe it is just oda's way to show us that
                                  mr.11 really died the way back, but not being brook

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                                    Well, if Brooke is a zoan skeliton with the hito hito no mi, then he could move when he is in half-human half-dead guy mode.

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                                      WOW great theory… since this is manga... your theory works

                                      Gol D Roger might just alive/half-alive 🙂

                                      but speaking on immortal... (skeleton in cp422)...
                                      i not really like it... i rather they introduce some soft of the curse than prevent they from dying...

                                      curse hemm might not original, but at least new for OP

                                      well I can now confirm... Davy Jones is about to appear...

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                                        May I ask what a BW agent is doing so close to the New World, when all the other agents we've met has been located in the first parts of GL?

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                                          Its the tea, its some kind of alchimistic immortalty potion. Its just that his body has fallen apart in the years, but the main functions are still intact.

                                          That, or he is just some poor cursed guy.

                                          "Sleep brings no rest to me; The shadows of the death my wakening eyes may never see surround my bed"-Emily Bronte(The Horrors of Sleep)

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                                            Didn´t Oda said in an interview like 2 years ago that someone from the alabasta-arc would appear again in the storyline? Or join or something like that…

                                            He COULD have meant the mini-story about borouque-works... but i´m not sure...

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                                              @ "Fire Fist" Ace

                                              Just want to say something about your theory of Brooke being Mr. 11.

                                              It could be true, I'm not doubting that, but I don't think it is for juts one reason.

                                              Brooke said "I haven't seen livings in 10 years!" This leads me to believe that there are more than 1 ghosts/skeletons in that area. I think that Brooke is just another one of those.

                                              However, I could be wrong. Who knows.

                                              Check out my art here… maybe...?

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                                                The gun dog Lassu moved around in half gun half dog form so I don't see why a skeleton couldn't move around in the half skeleton half animal form. Also, its possible that not all Zoan fruits behave the same. Chopper used a drug to alter his fruit for additional transformations and powers, who is to say that a natural zoan might not possess different transformations and abilities than the one's we've seen so far.

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                                                  Black Galleon, admit that Brooke is the reason for this topic.

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                                                    Looking over the past couple of pages, I saw the Mr. 11 theory and the Zoan immortality theory. HOWEVER! Baroque Works agents numbered 1-5 were the only one with Devil Fruit powers. So, might I be so bold as to suggest to combine the two theories? Brooke was Mr. 11, but was his corpse given a Devil Fruit after his organs and whatnot rotted away? The whole Zoan immortality thing is interesting, but I'd also like to wonder why the CP9 was given Devil Fruits (Zoan at that) in life since they are probably the most likely candidates for these types of experiments… I'm being open minded here, I'd like to look at the flip side of the coin. While the Zoan Immortality theory does seem plausible after the evidence, it doesn't seem to add up if all these strong people (Smoker, Aokiji, the CP9, etc.) were given these Devil Fruits if it would be more beneficial to give them to them after death.

                                                    Perhaps Oda will reveal what's going down in Chapter 443. Or perhaps not.

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                                                    Black Galleon, admit that Brooke is the reason for this topic.

                                                    Yes. An explanation for the awesomeness that is Brooke is appreciated.

                                                    Originally Posted by FUNimationRules

                                                    Teenagers watch crap like Family Guy and South Park and make insults like fuck you and some does drugs or play sports or play video games.

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                                                      Somehow, I doubt that Mr. 11 had a DF that could change his entire personallity, make him a pirate captain, change his hair and costume, and make him an undead skeliton.

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                                                        your theory is pretty plausible HG, but i wish to think that he's just undead by some other supernatural means. But that'd be explaining some more weird things, so the theory is plausible.

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                                                        Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?

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                                                          @Impel:

                                                          Somehow, I doubt that Mr. 11 had a DF that could change his entire personallity, make him a pirate captain, change his hair and costume, and make him an undead skeliton.

                                                          We only see Mr. 11 for a minute, we have no clue what his personality really is like. Clothes? He got new ones. Captain? He mentioned nothign living in 10 years, he's like Jack sparrow in that sense 😛 You've got me on the hair though, no solution for that. …Unless it's a wig...

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                                                          Teenagers watch crap like Family Guy and South Park and make insults like fuck you and some does drugs or play sports or play video games.

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                                                            Hmm, i dont think you can revive the dead or grant immortality with devil fruits.
                                                            Oda always takes some parts of real life, sagas, history etc. to his story. In this case, i believe we can take religion to clear it up. Hinduism says everything has a soul while living. When you die, depending on how you acted your soul goes over to a new thing. Could be a stone if you were bad, could be a human if you were nice. But the thing is, after death your body has no more soul.
                                                            Without a soul, you cant make a pact with the devil. Meaning dead people cant eat or however else become living again with a devil fruit, cause they miss a soul.

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                                                              Hmm, i dont think you can revive the dead or grant immortality with devil fruits.
                                                              Oda always takes some parts of real life, sagas, history etc. to his story. In this case, i believe we can take religion to clear it up. Hinduism says everything has a soul while living. When you die, depending on how you acted your soul goes over to a new thing. Could be a stone if you were bad, could be a human if you were nice. But the thing is, after death your body has no more soul.
                                                              Without a soul, you cant make a pact with the devil. Meaning dead people cant eat or however else become living again with a devil fruit, cause they miss a soul.

                                                              Spandam's sword didn't need a soul… Since the Devil Fruit is just that-the fruit of the Devil-who know what other secrets it has. I'm now leaning towards that it's just a mystery of the Triangle how Brooke ended up this way, not a DF power. I'm trying ot look at both sides of the coin though.

                                                              Just had a though, maybe if Brooke leaves the triangle, his soul can pass on peacefully? Maybe he wants to go with Luffy so he can finally die?

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                                                                The elephant sword had the soul of, get ready for it!: AN ELEPHANT! Everyone's personality changes with the Zoan! Chopper became more human, Jyabura became a hunter, Lucci played with his prey (he didn't when he was 13, remember).

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                                                                  Hmm, i dont think you can revive the dead or grant immortality with devil fruits.
                                                                  Oda always takes some parts of real life, sagas, history etc. to his story. In this case, i believe we can take religion to clear it up. Hinduism says everything has a soul while living. When you die, depending on how you acted your soul goes over to a new thing. Could be a stone if you were bad, could be a human if you were nice. But the thing is, after death your body has no more soul.
                                                                  Without a soul, you cant make a pact with the devil. Meaning dead people cant eat or however else become living again with a devil fruit, cause they miss a soul.

                                                                  Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. Signed.

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                                                                  So what you're saying is "The Devil's Fruits just might have this special side effect of which we didn't know about before". In particular, animating things that aren't alive. That's a bit too random for my taste. Oda seems to have developed a definite system for the DFs in his mind. For example that DFs always only change things which affect your body. Although it is said you gain a new abilty, this doesn't include abilities like "cooking", "fencing" or "navigating" (I've had enough of "Mihawk ate the DF that makes him the best swordsman in the world" theories…). Rather "infinite stretching due to unlimited tensibility", or the ability to change your body to that of an animal, or to an elemental material. Body altering stuff.
                                                                  Because of this apparently definite system I cannot believe in unknown side effects. Especially side effects as big as reviving the dead.

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                                                                    "Brooke is Mr. 11"

                                                                    Fack no.

                                                                    So this means it will start a chain of dying, being reanimated as a bone-animal or animal then dying as said animal, being mixed up again, being another bone-animal or animal.

                                                                    Since being bone, you would be unable to do things apart from turn into a bone animal or animal.

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                                                                      I think Also… ^

                                                                      If your a skeleton and you eat the horse fruit, then you'll just be able to turn from one set of bones into a horse set of bones. 😕

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                                                                        You can turn from a skeliton, a horse skeliton, and a horse covered in rotting flesh.

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                                                                          No real flaw, but I personaly won't ever believe Oda will be playing with dead characters' bodies just like that, forget about an immoral army. That's just another horror movie.

                                                                          Ace: I don't think he's gonna be back.. No matter how I look at him, he's gotta be old around there. The flag had an afro too, so I think he's the captain [Yeah, I know Mr.11 could be a captain, but he was captured alone!].
                                                                          Basically there's nothing that can stop you on this one. I at least hope he isn't that one.

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                                                                            About the Mr.11 thing, Mr.4 didn't have a DF and he was and officer agent. And I don't think Mr.11 was THAT tall. Just playing Devil's advocate. 😊

                                                                            I really like this theory, but Blackbeard could easily infiltrate a W.G lab, steal some zoan fruits, desecrate a grave, and raise an army of zombie pirates. Then it would go Pirates of the Carribean on us and I would probably get bored.

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                                                                              Look, Mr. 11 has no real purpose in the story-line. The billions killed him and that's it. Even the DUB acnoladged that he got shot in the fucking head! THE DUB!

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                                                                                Look, Mr. 11 has no real purpose in the story-line. The billions killed him and that's it. Even the DUB acnoladged that he got shot in the fucking head! THE DUB!

                                                                                points to the bullet hole in Brook's head Your point?

                                                                                I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.

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                                                                                  That's not a bullet hole, it's just a crack. The crack could have come from anywhere. 'Sides, if he was shot, a chunk of skull would be missing.

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