Colored Manga - Need Cel Shaders

GearSecond

I have been lucky enough to get a translator and a soft shader, but I am the only Cel Shader, and a majority of our work will be Cel Shaded. So I need help.

If you have photoshop and ar einterested in learning to Cel Shade for our group, please visit the following link(it's popup free and a very nice guide) and you can learn how.

http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~pazuzu/Zarosaki/tutorial/basictutorial.htm

If it just doesn't seem to be your thing, that's alright too. If everyone could color manga they'd color it for themeselves.

Joining our group, the coloring process works simply. I will get raws, clean them(not always a complete clean, I'm like Usopp playing Shipwright) sometimes, and pass them on. A single Cel Shader will need to complete the entire chapter. There isn't a rush, due to complications Chapter 2 has been on hiatus for in all a month maybe more and is just picking up again. One page a night is fast and hard. Look forward to anywhere from 16-23 pages to color, each requiring a repeated process.

You will also be able to download a Pallette, which in normal terms is an image with a bunch of colors and a descriptive name next to them, you basically use the eyedropper to ge tthe color and move from there.

Our forum can be found at http://www.kaigun.proboards84.com/ and I will accept a "resume" of sorts by either posting a piece of manga(no major spoilers please, I'd like to keep the thread safe for everyone) here or over on our forums, I check both regularly.

Once I get 2-3 more Cel Shaders(I'll pick the best ones) and from there the pace can pick up with the first "arc" involving Coby and Morgan to be finished.

Having little free time is fine, but make sure there's at least a few days a week that you'll have regular oppertunities, having an hour a month is simply waaay too slow, coloring manga takes time to do, a couple nights a week when free time is there to kill is fine.

rs8389

Hey, by the way, what do I do with the translations? Haha, I did a couple chapters, but I had no idea what to do with them ^^

GearSecond

Send me the script?

Kaze no Barako

Well, good luck with that. ^^;

I'd consider applying to join, but I'm starting college this week, and… your palette kind of burns my eyes. Hope you find someone else!

GearSecond

It's a work in progress. CHapter 2 will be particularly bright, chapter 3 will be toned down a bit, so will 4, ect and after Lougetown the colros won't be very bright at all.

And yeah, I do karate and it takes up so much time I wonder how I fit in what coloring I do.

Kaze no Barako

Well, as for the palettes, a word of advice… I recommend you take the colors directly from the manga colorspreads when at all possible. Oda does his spreads with Copic markers, and the colors they come in do have a certain quality to them. It doesn't look nearly as much like One Piece if the colors aren't the same as the ones that Oda use, in my opinion. ^^;

GearSecond

Well I took the crew's colors from that. Alvida is the only villain with a skin color so far which will change after she eats the sube sube fruit, the colors are alot less yellow.

I took the crew's colors from a scan I did of Color Walk 2's cover. Luffy matches pretty neatly with the Anime around Arabasta, I'll use the manga colors when at all possible.

The coloring job in your avatar is very nice, DiD you do it yourself or was it taken from something?

Kaze no Barako

That's good, I'm sure the colors will improve then. ^^

And yes, I did color it, a couple nights ago in fact. <3 I've been on this Ace kick, been drawing a lot of him by hand… so I figured what the hell, I'd do something by mouse as well. I would have drawn the lines myself, but I liked that panel. :P

Zulen

Ugh, I absoloutly HATE Ace's whole "No shirt" thing going on! I feel dirty every time he pops on screen. Seriously.

It's like you're watching and some half-naked dude just runs on screen really sudden – "HAYGUYZWHATZGOINON?!". I automatically fly backwards whenever he shows up!

Kaze no Barako

@Private:

Ugh, I absoloutly HATE Ace's whole "No shirt" thing going on! I feel dirty every time he pops on screen. Seriously.

It's like you're watching and some half-naked dude just runs on screen really sudden – "HAYGUYZWHATZGOINON?!". I automatically fly backwards whenever he shows up!

…Seriously? XD

I guess it IS a bit startling, but daaamn... it's not as bad as say, some half-naked dude running on screen and suddenly starting to make out with other half-naked dudes or something… now THAT would be startling.

Franky must make you go into convulsions. >_>;

GearSecond

if you don't mind, keep in on topic.

That is a very high quality coloring. You can join if you'd like, but if don't want to work that much I understand.

I really have only so long to get Cel Shaders. If anyone is interested at all, we can start going on a roll and getting the chapters out once we get a couple cel shaders.

Hey i can partake in your project because im bored but i can only invest like 2 hour a week.

GearSecond

Depends. Try the tutorial, make a product(preferably without the tutorial so I can see if you remembered everything) and I'll see. I don't want a sucky coloring job.

A little general update, Page 6 is still giving me issues, it seems whenever it's up Photoshop decides after a bit it wants to go crazy. This time I was backing up my edits(Control+Z) and somehow I opened the Extract menu(again) and when I went to clsoe both of the screen went white(aside from some grey on menus) and it "was not respondong" so I lost my Alvida coloring job.

Frustrating? Yes, sicne that's the 2nd/3rd time I've lost it, the 2nd time that may or may not be there(you decide) I didn't edit much since PS freaked out while I was doing another image.

So here I go, restarting, AGAIN! I want to move on at this point, but I can't, since I'l forget page 6. So it's help back once again.

GearSecond

Sorry for the double post.

I have decided to make everyone color the same image from now on.

So I cleaned this. So ahead and use it, make your own colors, but eyesores or badly done color schemes are a definite no, you need some eye for color, and if it looks like a joke I won't risk it, even if the coloring is good. Remember, Cel not Soft shading.

Kreed

I have colored manga pages before, but only characters. Doing a background was different, but I managed to do this:

!

I know, it's probably not too good, but I'll let you be the judge.

GearSecond

Now here's the exact problem with it. Aside from the colors themeselves which do not quite match very well(I used low saturation yellow pink and green) you blended. And Cel Shading doesn't use blending.

Specifically I want you too look at the beak on the ship's "head".

Compare. THere is shading, but it's not blended. Notice the shading on the heart on the ship's "neck".

Riisha

Uhm, I don't really get what I'd have to do, but I love coloring (whatever pictures) and have a lot of time. So yeah, I'll just try coloring that pic and post it then. I mean only if you still need cel shaders of course.

GearSecond

Still need plenty of Cel Shaders. I'll allow up to 5 more, but I'm trying for only 3 more tops, and since the positions are limited and I want to keep the team small enough that I can manage the whole thing and color at the same time.

Once I get more cel shaders started on the next few chapters I'll go ahead and finish Chapter 2(I keep losing Page 6 shortly after starting so it's been stuck there) and finish the pallette for the Buggy arc.

CC ann

gosh! I'd love to join as a cell shader, but Im not really a coloring expert.
Its just that i enjoy coloring them…
sadly I'm really busy with college ( Im graduating soon) so I think I cant join your team yet.
But I tried coloring some manga scans...they're kinda ok

you could check out my DA to see if my cell shading skills are worth it or not...
maybe there are better cell shaders out there :)

GearSecond

SOme of those are Soft Shading, correct?

I just want to know if you knoe the difference, there's some cel shading but alot of soft shading. If you know the difference, you're in.

How many hours a week are you available?

CC ann

I know the difference of cell shading and soft…I guess I mostly updated soft shaded artworks more...

but then I dont really have that much free time because Im kinda busy with graduation...

But then Im sorry, though I wanted to..maybe there are many other cell shaders who have more free time than me.

GearSecond

If you want, I'm so desperate at this point(I have to have somebody) that anyone with enough skill will be allowed in. If you want you could do it on a trial basis, see if the schedule will work out. We're off to a very slow start, and Chapter 2 has some delays thanks to photoshop glitches and Page 6….you don't want to know....

Anyways my point is if you want to try it, let me know and I'll give you exactly what you need to do. It involves a quick download and some Cel Shading(not Soft Shading) and a couple other small things. Once that is underway, we'll see how it works out.

hyper_megaman

no offence meant, but frankly, your cel shadings are quite 'artificial'

let me explain, look at dragon's face in ur avatar. the shadow goes a straight line down before it curves up at his chin.
cel shading doesn't work that way. cel shading is exaggerating on shadow and light differences, making them more obvious, but it doesn't change shadow positions

so a tip here, try picturing the face in 3D in your mind, THEN drawing out the shadow lines on places where the light can't reach. because if u can't, the things will just look artificial.

and uh, if u're using photoshop, u can use the entire palette can't u, why are the colours all so saturated? try desaturating 1) the sky 2)their skins

cel shading doesn't make it inferior to soft shading and 3d drawing, and in ALL drawings u HAVE to position the shadows correctly, or it wouldn't bring out the soul and the 'feel' of the picture.

if u want good examples, check out toriyama, he had fantastic three-colour cel shades. look at how the shadow wraps around their faces to bring out their 3D, make them feel real.

Buuhan1

Yeah, no offense man but your Dragon avatar bothers me. It isn't even the same angle as his face..

Greg

Yeah, where were those pics of CP9's unveiling and Lucci's revealed first transformation some fan colored a while back? That shit rocked.

G-ology

By "Oda" (yeah, this guy calls himself like our Hero)

Greg

Yeah, that's just sick. The best I've ever seen is that one someone I think here made of the crew all lined up at EL. But that obviously took a lotta work.

This on the other hand looks like it was done quickly and damn effectively. Beautiful stuff.

igalsfy

@G-ology:

By "Oda" (yeah, this guy calls himself like our Hero)

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8353/colopq1.th.jpg

the guy is a french doing amazing colorings. i'll check where you can find all his stuff and post a link.

G-ology

Yup, "Oda" ist just sick :D
This coloration made me go O____o'

One thing i find quite annoying is, that with every Naruto-chapter u "get" sometimes 10~15 colorations, but how much do u "get" with OP?! (Less than five in a year..)
Naah.. i think its just this Naruto x One Piece type-a-thing.. but all these damn "Naruto-istics" should color OP^^
(btw, i dont want to offense Null or Rush!! Their colorations in some chapters were also great..)

@igalsfy:
That would be awesome!

Zulen

Also, Gear Second, you colored Dragon's scarf as if it was his skin.

G-ology, that coloring was amazing! The hand in the second panel was just… WHOW. I'm impressed, and I'm not easily impressed!

Actually, I'm easily impressed and entertained by even the stupidest and most boring activities, but that coloring was still great.

Cr4zy

@Private:

G-ology, that coloring was amazing! The hand in the second panel was just… WHOW. I'm impressed, and I'm not easily impressed!

Actually, I'm easily impressed and entertained by even the stupidest and most boring activities, but that coloring was still great.

you DO know he didnt do the coloring, right? Read before you post about a post.

CC ann

@GearSecond:

If you want, I'm so desperate at this point(I have to have somebody) that anyone with enough skill will be allowed in. If you want you could do it on a trial basis, see if the schedule will work out. We're off to a very slow start, and Chapter 2 has some delays thanks to photoshop glitches and Page 6….you don't want to know....

Anyways my point is if you want to try it, let me know and I'll give you exactly what you need to do. It involves a quick download and some Cel Shading(not Soft Shading) and a couple other small things. Once that is underway, we'll see how it works out.

I guess I'll have to think about it…
I really want to color...but then my schedules in school is blocking the opportunity.
I'll tell you soon If I want to try the position.
I feel that One PIece needs more colord chapters compared to naruto..it kinda bugs me to see so many fan colorings that are not so exceptional.(well paintpixel is really good..we should have someone like her who is willing to color for one piece :) )

Buuhan1

@G-ology:

By "Oda" (yeah, this guy calls himself like our Hero)

[qimg]http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8353/colopq1.th.jpg[/qimg]

Ah, I saw this along with CP9 revealing a few months ago on deviantART. It was submitted a long time ago so I suppose that was his dA.

GearSecond

Just so everyone knows, my dragon avatar turned out…horrible. It's notihng like it should have been. And Dragon doesn't have a scar(at least from what we've been shown) because that red thing is his tattoo.

And before anyone else says anything, everyone's art improves over time. Even KF wasn't as good as they are now when they started. My point: I'm just the first guy to decide to color One Piece as a whole series not just the occasional page.

So I'll ask everyone now, would everyone rather have me do each panel so perfect and awesome, and each one take about oh say a year to complete and then get started on the next one, or a release ever couple months thats still pretty good?

I picked Cel Shading because I felt it reflected Oda's art style, more 3D and cartoony, I'll be going back and double checking the crew's skins for Chapter 3, and am slowly going to make the colors darker and a bit less saturated.

Something about desatureated colors messes with me, I like them for certain things but it usually looks weird. I'll work on it a bit more. I like the critisizm, if I find soemthing truely wrong(for one, my old skins were too yellow, I didn't realize the peach color was more reddish) I will change it. Immidiatly. If anyone has issues with the current "product" because if I don't hear about it now it'll never get changed.

Since the Straw Hats have been taken from a Color Walk I may use a high quality HD pic from an anime style drawing(like the ANimation Logbook) to pick the exact colors, but I've been spending my time not o Chapter 2, but on the Buggy arc. I want to get Buggy's color scheme dowen for his importanct later on. I also want to figure out how to do the Mayor's armor, and I got a pretty nice idea now.

So it's not too late to change, since Alvida's skin color WILL be changing in the Lougetown arc to a more pink color instead of Yellow, so she's not so important right now. Luffy can change too if noone likes Chapter 2's skin.

We'll see.

hyper_megaman

it's not about using the brightest of colours to prove that he has that, for example, no one's tongue is THAT faint maroon. it's supposed to be wine reddish with a tinge of black and white, and luffy is not supposed to have jaundice.

and the point is not that you're using cel shading, rather it is your bad usage of any sort of shading. because you're not shadowing, you're just putting in another layer of darker colour at the edges.
there's a difference. cel shading isn't that simple, it's not about putting darker colours near the chins and all, you gotta draw out the shadow accurately.

and dragon looks like he has jaundice too. try desaturating the colours then stepping back. like i said, for good examples of colouring and shadowing, look at toriyama's paintwork. they rocked. or at least at oda's OWN one piece artwork.

Buuhan1

Don't mean to hijack your topic man, but I've been really wanting to color a chapter of One Piece so I'm gonna ask everyone here this question.

What chapter would you most like to see in full color?

happyaddict

@GearSecond:

Just so everyone knows, my dragon avatar turned out…horrible. It's notihng like it should have been. And Dragon doesn't have a scar(at least from what we've been shown) because that red thing is his tattoo.

It's just been bothering me for a while. Nobody has EVER said "scar"… they're pointing out the scarf, scarFFFF. You colored it as if it was a part of his flesh.

FireFistAce 0

@Buuhan1:

Don't mean to hijack your topic man, but I've been really wanting to color a chapter of One Piece so I'm gonna ask everyone here this question.

What chapter would you most like to see in full color?

If I had to pick, probably the final chapter of Robin's flashback. Saul's face as he's frozen in ice, the flames bouncing off the waves as Robin laughs her "Dereshishi", the flames consuming Ohara.

Chapters like that are made for color.

Zulen

@Mr.Prince:

you DO know he didnt do the coloring, right? Read before you post about a post.

Yep, I did know that, and if you would stop being such a hypocrite and read my post, you would see I never said that.

Ronaldinho

@GearSecond:

Just so everyone knows, my dragon avatar turned out…horrible. It's notihng like it should have been. And Dragon doesn't have a scar(at least from what we've been shown) because that red thing is his tattoo.

GearSecond we are not talking about the scar. Its the SCARF.

GearSecond

ahh.

Yeah I went back and I redid it a few weeks ago.

I also added wind in.

I didn't like it so I decided not to put it up. I'm making a ne wone once I find a good image to post.

Cr4zy

Um, did you get my message at your forum? Sent a picture.

GearSecond

Mr. Prince, Welcome to Kaigun Colored Manga. I'll be sending you instructions soon once I finish the Pallette. I'll upload it and try to explain anything I may have missed before. You'll be working on Chapter 3. Try to get a head start and attempt to clean tthe pages of those little specks of dust, they are one pixel big and are just dotty, the more you can clean the higher quality it will be.

I know, this message is kind of pointless, but the manga forum has turned into a steaming pile of…you don't want to know. So this is an important message and a bump.