BB proof that dragon is a logia? and time affects power?

psolaras

well i have made that thread b4 but it was based on the spoiler then so it got deleted but this time i combined a 2nd question too

1)now that we have seen what BB is capable of and his unique logia abilities,do you think dragon is also a logia? he could easily be now,my theory is that he can control all elements:wind,thunder etc

2)do you think time affects power? well that question is related mostly about garp and WB,garp said the years have made his throw weaker but it could also be an excuse to let luffy flee

so do you think dragon is a logia and WB and garp have lost power with the passing of time?

Kirin D. Cross

I think its possible.. With BB being a logia it really made me think if alot of the other higher powers are also logia. I mean if BB is a direct threat to WB then that means that WB can realy just own a logia user..

This really made me think that more of the Three powers might have abilities

VL7

How does BB being a Logia prove Dragon is a Logia, I don't see the connection.

And yeah, people obviously get weaker with age, so Garp and WB were probably stronger in their younger days.

FireFistAce 0

If Dragon DID eat a Devil fruit, it's probably the Ame Ame no Mi (Rain Rain Fruit). Before you flame me, there's a reason for this, and it's based on the Chinese Emperors of the 5 directions. The four cardinal emperors were:

1. Byakko the White Tiger (Whitebeard), Associated with West and Autumn; a protector, and known as the King of animals and lord of mountains.

2. Suzaku the Red Phoenix (Shanks), Associated with the South and Summer; associated with Good fortune and Prosperity.

3. Seiryu the Blue-green Dragon (?????), Associated with East and Spring; a symbol of justice and benevolent rule.

4. Genbu the Black Turtle (?????), Emperor of Winter and the North, Bringer of Wisdom and Longevity.

Now, in Chinese Myth, there's a fifth, Quan Long, the father of Seiryu. He taught the other four gods knowledge and writing, and had the power to create and control rains. He could also see the future (being 2000 years old, he achieved ultimate wisdom). He taught this skill to Genbu after Genbu achieved 1000 years of age.

In Japan, Quan Long is known as Ouryu, or Dragon King. In addition to their abilities in the Chinese Myth, they can assume the form of humans. They are said to wear a dragon or serpent-like hood, or carry a serpent-like tail. They also are seemingly able to come and go with the wind, spreading their prophecies.

It's up to you if you believe this or not.

As for the time thing, if they train during that time, they get stronger. If they don't train, they weaken. Simple as that. Look at Arlong. He WAS nearly equal to Jimbei. When Luffy got to him, he was still strong, but sucked at combat.

VL7

@Fire Fist:

If Dragon DID eat a Devil fruit, it's probably the Ame Ame no Mi (Rain Rain Fruit). Before you flame me, there's a reason for this, and it's based on the Chinese Emperors of the 5 directions. The four cardinal emperors were:

1. Byakko the White Tiger (Whitebeard), Associated with West and Autumn; a protector, and known as the King of animals and lord of mountains.

2. Suzaku the Red Phoenix (Shanks), Associated with the South and Summer; associated with Good fortune and Prosperity.

3. Seiryu the Blue-green Dragon (?????), Associated with East and Spring; a symbol of justice and benevolent rule.

4. Genbu the Black Turtle (?????), Emperor of Winter and the North, Bringer of Wisdom and Longevity.

Now, in Chinese Myth, there's a fifth, Quan Long, the father of Seiryu. He taught the other four gods knowledge and writing, and had the power to create and control rains. He could also see the future (being 2000 years old, he achieved ultimate wisdom). He taught this skill to Genbu after Genbu achieved 1000 years of age.

In Japan, Quan Long is known as Ouryu, or Dragon King. In addition to their abilities in the Chinese Myth, they can assume the form of humans. They are said to wear a dragon or serpent-like hood, or carry a serpent-like tail. They also are seemingly able to come and go with the wind, spreading their prophecies.

It's up to you if you believe this or not.

As for the time thing, if they train during that time, they get stronger. If they don't train, they weaken. Simple as that. Look at Arlong. He WAS nearly equal to Jimbei. When Luffy got to him, he was still strong, but sucked at combat.

Where do you find all of this Chinese and Japanese mythology stuff? Some of it sounds amazing.

Rai

@Fire Fist:

Long post

That's cool. Didn't know about that.
Seeing as how Oda changed their symbols, however, I'd say he'll add a little more to Dragon's power.

Offtopic, is it possible to call the blue-green one yellow? Even though it's on a different view, it has a connection.. Or is there a one-word romaji for blue-green?

As for the time, FFA said it perfectly.

psolaras

@Fire Fist:

If Dragon DID eat a Devil fruit, it's probably the Ame Ame no Mi (Rain Rain Fruit). Before you flame me,

ace we might have had a strong debate about shanks and mihawk but that doesn't mean i hate you,i apologize if i flamed you somehow but that sure wasn't my intention,i find most of your theories respectable :wub: ,especially the whole sengoku–->budha--->enlightment--->light fruit ,

other times i disagree with your theories or for example when you post and post theories over and over again instead of making your own threads (especially with momotaro) or just pasting a link of a previous post of yours cuz people get tired when reading posts with 6 or 7 paragraphs when they already know the 4 or 5 of them so it could be easier to skip with a link

there's a reason for this, and it's based on the Chinese Emperors of the 5 directions. The four cardinal emperors were:

1. Byakko the White Tiger (Whitebeard), Associated with West and Autumn; a protector, and known as the King of animals and lord of mountains.

2. Suzaku the Red Phoenix (Shanks), Associated with the South and Summer; associated with Good fortune and Prosperity.

3. Seiryu the Blue-green Dragon (?????), Associated with East and Spring; a symbol of justice and benevolent rule.

4. Genbu the Black Turtle (?????), Emperor of Winter and the North, Bringer of Wisdom and Longevity.

Now, in Chinese Myth, there's a fifth, Quan Long, the father of Seiryu. He taught the other four gods knowledge and writing, and had the power to create and control rains. He could also see the future (being 2000 years old, he achieved ultimate wisdom). He taught this skill to Genbu after Genbu achieved 1000 years of age.

In Japan, Quan Long is known as Ouryu, or Dragon King. In addition to their abilities in the Chinese Myth, they can assume the form of humans. They are said to wear a dragon or serpent-like hood, or carry a serpent-like tail. They also are seemingly able to come and go with the wind, spreading their prophecies.

It's up to you if you believe this or not.

As for the time thing, if they train during that time, they get stronger. If they don't train, they weaken. Simple as that. Look at Arlong. He WAS nearly equal to Jimbei. When Luffy got to him, he was still strong, but sucked at combat.

now that is an awesome theory (where is the flaming? ) and if the rain fruit includes wind and thunder from the storms then i'll have that in mind

Polygon

**I like how the description of the Emporers fit how they actually are.

And people take the old-people-get-weaker thing way to seriously. People really don't understand how close to their prime one can stay.

I think old people are unestimated.**

psolaras

@Polygon:

I like how the description of the Emporers fit how they actually are.

And people take the old-people-get-weaker thing way to seriously. People really don't understand how close to their prime one can stay.

I think old people are unestimated.

well WB propably is the same as when he fought roger cuz this way luffy beating him would be like he not only became the strongest in the world but also he would surpass the pirate king in strenght and become the strongest character that ever set foot on the OP world

(also that is why i don't agree with the theory of BB beating WB,at least not before luffy does)

MB.

@Polygon:

I like how the description of the Emporers fit how they actually are.

And people take the old-people-get-weaker thing way to seriously. People really don't understand how close to their prime one can stay.

I think old people are unestimated.

Correct.

It's a lot easier to maintain strength than it is to make gains in strength. Go to any gym and you'll see lots of 40-50 year old men who are just below their peak strength. The reason they feel old/weaker or complain about it is because they simply can't make the gains they used to.

Their bodies don't recover as fast and it takes twice as long for their muscle fibers to repair. That's why they just accept their strength and only try to maintain it.

So whitebeard could easily perform/battle at the same strength he did in his prime…..but if he's wounded he will remain wounded for a lot longer and die from any serious wound.

Polygon

**My point exactly.

Also, what a fighter may lose in physical strengh (though, if s/he trains properly the losses won't be very bad at all) they can certainley gain in skill. Knowledge is infinite.

And with all our new medical technology and knowledge pouring in, it can only get better for us. I'm not sure how advanced medical tech/knowledge is in the OP world. But Chopper's magic seems to work pretty damn good, and he's only gonna get better.

If an 80 year old guy could do this, I don't see how another old guy can't beat up people younger than them.**

ONEinchPUNCH

@Polygon:

If an 80 year old guy could do this, I don't see how another old guy can't beat up people younger than them.

lol it's zoro's dad

Kazu-kun

@Fire Fist:

If Dragon DID eat a Devil fruit, it's probably the Ame Ame no Mi (Rain Rain Fruit). Before you flame me, there's a reason for this, and it's based on the Chinese Emperors of the 5 directions. The four cardinal emperors were:

1. Byakko the White Tiger (Whitebeard), Associated with West and Autumn; a protector, and known as the King of animals and lord of mountains.

2. Suzaku the Red Phoenix (Shanks), Associated with the South and Summer; associated with Good fortune and Prosperity.

3. Seiryu the Blue-green Dragon (?????), Associated with East and Spring; a symbol of justice and benevolent rule.

4. Genbu the Black Turtle (?????), Emperor of Winter and the North, Bringer of Wisdom and Longevity.

Now, in Chinese Myth, there's a fifth, Quan Long, the father of Seiryu. He taught the other four gods knowledge and writing, and had the power to create and control rains. He could also see the future (being 2000 years old, he achieved ultimate wisdom). He taught this skill to Genbu after Genbu achieved 1000 years of age.

In Japan, Quan Long is known as Ouryu, or Dragon King. In addition to their abilities in the Chinese Myth, they can assume the form of humans. They are said to wear a dragon or serpent-like hood, or carry a serpent-like tail. They also are seemingly able to come and go with the wind, spreading their prophecies.

It's up to you if you believe this or not.

As for the time thing, if they train during that time, they get stronger. If they don't train, they weaken. Simple as that. Look at Arlong. He WAS nearly equal to Jimbei. When Luffy got to him, he was still strong, but sucked at combat.

Just to add something and correct some stuff…

First off
Here are some mistakes that you listed. Suzaku is not a phoenix, although in many different adaptations Suzaku has been viewed as a phoenix. Suzaku is actually a bird, a vermillion/red bird. The phoenix is Ho-ou the king of birds (hence the usage of Hou as phoenix) Suzaku being a phoenix is actually a common misconception.

Your description and name "Quang Long" is also incorrect. His name is Qilin
and in the japanese counterpart Kirin. Kirin has always been depicted as a beast with a dragon's head, and an ox like body. Eventually he had become depicted as a giraffe, that's why the word "kirin" is used for giraffe in japan. He is the father of all animals. I don't know a lot about Qilin, but there is another thing to add. He has been considered both as the most fearsome and most benevolent of all the beasts. He is said to be able to walk on grass without crushing on any blade and walk on water. (yes, just like jesus) He does not eat meat, and he is said to breath fire.

Genbu, Seiryuu, Byakku, and Suzaku are all the japanese names for the 4 benovlent animals that you mentioned

The chinese names are the following
Xuán Wǔ: Black Tortoise -to add on Black Tortoise has been mentioned as a 2 headed tortoise, one with the head of a turtle and the other with the head of a serpent.
Zhū Què: Vermilion Bird
Qīng Lóng: Azure Dragon
Bái Hǔ: White Tiger

FireFistAce 0

@Kazu-kun:

Just to add something and correct some stuff…

First off
Here are some mistakes that you listed. Suzaku is not a phoenix, although in many different adaptations Suzaku has been viewed as a phoenix. Suzaku is actually a bird, a vermillion/red bird. The phoenix is Ho-ou the king of birds (hence the usage of Hou as phoenix) Suzaku being a phoenix is actually a common misconception.

Your description and name "Quang Long" is also incorrect. His name is Qilin
and in the japanese counterpart Kirin. Kirin has always been depicted as a beast with a dragon's head, and an ox like body. Eventually he had become depicted as a giraffe, that's why the word "kirin" is used for giraffe in japan. He is the father of all animals. I don't know a lot about Qilin, but there is another thing to add. He has been considered both as the most fearsome and most benevolent of all the beasts. He is said to be able to walk on grass without crushing on any blade and walk on water. (yes, just like jesus) He does not eat meat, and he is said to breath fire.

Genbu, Seiryuu, Byakku, and Suzaku are all the japanese names for the 4 benovlent animals that you mentioned

The chinese names are the following
Xuán Wǔ: Black Tortoise -to add on Black Tortoise has been mentioned as a 2 headed tortoise, one with the head of a turtle and the other with the head of a serpent.
Zhū Què: Vermilion Bird
Qīng Lóng: Azure Dragon
Bái Hǔ: White Tiger

Thanks for the corrections, but are you sure about the Qiin/Kirin part? I've always read that Kirin was a seperate guardian spirit in the Chinese myth not associated with the Shijin; rather, Huang Long (Ouryu in Japanese) is the gold dragon associated with the center. Huang Long is not part of the Shijin in the Japanese myth, and Ouryu is considered something entirely different.

An Ouryu in Japanese myth is believed to be a Dragon that has lived 1500 years. 500 years turned the Ryu into a Kakuryu (Horned Dragon), and another 1000 years turned a Kakuryu into an Ouryu (King Dragon).

The equivalent of a Dragon King in Chinese myth is a Long Wang (Please, no jokes). They lived in crystal palaces on the floor and had vast armies with Crab Generals. Like their Japanese counterparts, they could control rains and cause floods.

Chlodwig Shillingsfürst

Freidrich Wilhelm Nietzsche! I feel owned! Honestly, where did you guys learn all these mythology and stuff? Are you randomely reading every page on Wikipedia 24-7 or something?! Seriously, I want to know! Dude, you're good!

psolaras

@Chlodwig:

Freidrich Wilhelm Nietzsche! I feel owned! Honestly, where did you guys learn all these mythology and stuff? Are you randomely reading every page on Wikipedia 24-7 or something?! Seriously, I want to know! Dude, you're good!

i feel the same way,but that also means:

more time to party for us!!!!:silly:

smurfx

i think whitebeard might of gotten alot weaker since his younger days since i don't think there are many in the grandline that want to challenge whitebeard to a fight. whitebeard was probably at his strongest when he was fighting with gold roger and against all the other marines like garp and sengoku. now all he does is probably just sit on his ship while most of his subordinates take care of any threat that comes his way.

Impel Down

Look, when you get older, you get weaker. Just ask any old person. And I think Dragon's power is more complex than just rain. I think his power is just that a storm occurs, but he has no power over the storm itself, other than it's location.

cdjgamer

most likly dragon has the cyclone df or storm him listening to the wind may be a clue

Polygon

@Impel:

Look, when you get older, you get weaker. Just ask any old person.

**Not only do you not know what you're talking about, but 99% of old people let themselves go.

@** smurfx: Whitebeard has not gotten a lot weaker since he was younger, simply because of the fact that he is just now fighting a Yonko. Not only that, but he is still known as the strongest man alive. If he had gotten a lot weaker, that would mean he and Roger would have to be many times stronger than the likes of Shanks or Mihawk. And obviously, that isn't the case.

servus

i think garp stated in chapter 438 that he was a lot stronger and got weaken with the time,so we can assume the same for whitebeard

psolaras

well garp also may have said that in the whole spirit "i will let luffy escape" as an excuse

Impel Down

No, I feel he was completely honest. Old people talk alot about how they're weaker. Trust me, I've met lots of old people.

Rai

Err, it's just a common line to be humble, or at least try to in front of other people.
Really, people, you should read more manga.

Impel Down

Hey! I read so much manga that people beat me up! Don't tell me I need to read more!

Polygon

@Impel:

No, I feel he was completely honest. Old people talk alot about how they're weaker. Trust me, I've met lots of old people.

**I bet none of those old people have been training (just about) every day or even making an effort to stay strong physically.

and like MB said, you feel weaker because you aren't growing any longer.**

Impel Down

Um, yeah. That's what people already know.

old people strength really depends on their conditioning and their lifestyle.

but eventually time catches up to people. reaction time gets slower, stamina reduced, druabilty decreased.

Taleran

people get older so they get weaker….whats the big mystery?

Polygon

And you guys still don't get it.

FireFistAce 0

@Polygon:

And you guys still don't get it.

Dude, let's be sensible. 5 or 10 years if you're constantly training is one thing. But a 100 year old man is not going to wallop a 30 year old one with the same physique. After a certain age, muscle and bone mass deteriorates. People just get old.

Taleran

thats of course not including the one Old Master in every manga who could still whoop ass when needed.

FireFistAce 0

@Taleran:

thats of course not including the one Old Master in every manga who could still whoop ass when needed.

Yeah, because I really fear Master Roshi and his .005 power level. XD

But seriously, look at Genkai, look at Yoh's Grandfather (Can't remember his name). Look at Yosho. All these people are powerful, but not nearly as much as they were in their prime.

Kirin D. Cross

Well since garp was once strong enough to corner Gold Roger, I would say that he was most likely stronger 20+ years ago..

Kma

During the time that I have played rugby, football and working out heres some observations about time affecting power. First off it is crucial to understand the difference between power and strength. Strength is basically how much force you can apply and Power is how much force you can apply in a second. The major difference is time so speed comes into play in Power. I do kickboxing now and strength is meaningless if you can't hit your opponent. Power is the combination of speed and strength. Personally I'm not all to impressed with strength alone, to me speed is more impressive but the combination of both is needed in combat and sports.

Now based on Human physiology men reach their prime in their late 20s or early 30s. However I notice that people are generally more quick, agile in their late teens and early 20s. When they reach their late 20s and early 30s they get stronger and usually they have a decrease in speed but technically this is when they have the most amount of power. After that you can still get stronger but unfortunately you do get slower and your power decreases. When I'm at the gym alot of the people that can lift their most are in their 40s and 50s. I talk to some of them recently and one of them told me that he can lift more then ever but hes more "sluggish." Another example is Arnold Schwknagihong (you know who…). He was at his biggest around his late 30s and 40s. Alot of runningbacks retire when their power declines and that is around their late 20s and 30s. Also as you age your injuries will stack up and no matter the amount of rest they will always nag you (for example, concussions, dislocated shoulders, broken bones, sprained ankles will nag you for life).

In REALITY I do think Garp and Whitebeard are less powerful, if not by alot. In ONE PIECE REALITY (and most mangas) I think they are less powerful but the difference is minimal to make the fights more interesting.

EDIT: finally fixed it, had to run ad-aware...

ONEinchPUNCH

@Kma:

During the time that I have played rugby, football and working out heres some observations about time affecting power. First off it is crucial to understand the difference between power and strength. Strength is basically how much force you can apply and Power is how much force you can apply in a second. The major difference is time so speed comes into play in Power. I do kickboxing now and strength is meaningless if you can't hit your opponent. Power is the combination of speed and strength. Personally I'm not all to impressed with strength alone, to me speed is more impressive but the combination of both is needed in combat and sports. Now based on Human physiology men reach their prime in their late 20s or early 30s. However I notice that people are generally more quick, agile in their late teens and early 20s. When they reach their late 20s and early 30s they get stronger and usually they have a decrease in speed but technically this is when they have the most amount of power. After that you can still get stronger but unfortunately you do get slower and your power decreases. When I'm at the gym alot of the people that can lift their most are in their 40s and 50s. I talk to some of them recently and one of them told me that he can lift more then ever but hes more "sluggish." Another example is Arnold Schwknagihong (you know who…). He was at his biggest around his late 30s and 40s. Alot of runningbacks retire when their power declines and that is around their late 20s and 30s. Also as you age your injuries will stack up and no matter the amount of rest they will always nag you (for example, concussions, dislocated shoulders, broken bones, sprained ankles will nag you for life). In REALITY I do think Garp and Whitebeard are less powerful, if not by alot. In ONE PIECE REALITY (and most mangas) I think they are less powerful but the difference is minimal to make the fights more interesting.

You should use paragraphs that was hard to read, some good points though.

I think it's how you live your life that counts, you can always get stronger it just takes alot more effort than before since you heal slower (like many of you have said before).

But like polygon said maintaining your strength isn't as hard as gaining strength. So older people can concentrate alot more on their speed while they train muscles just enough to maintain their strength.

A few examples would be zoro's dad polygon showed earlier he has stamina and strength. Older Shaolin monks still look like they're in their 20s when they do demonstrations. Then theres that guy 80 year old guy in australia who does 100s of push ups every morning. He looks ripped and beat up 2 robbers who tried stealing from his house.

Kma

@ OneInchPunch haha ya paragraphs were my intention but for some reason it keeps getting clumped together. I kept going back trying to edit it but same result. Anyone know how to fix this? its really bothering me…

About the Shaolin monk thing, I learn Shaolin and I can tell you this, my master is one crazy SOB (grew up and became a master at the Shaolin Temple). He's not young either but he moves like a cat or something. He jumps incredibly high and dosent make a noise when his feet hit the ground. Looking at him makes what I said in my previous post look like crap. Hes incredibly fast and he dosen't even look it.

Polygon

**My point exactly, OiP.

Like I said before, people underestimate old people. they think that once you get older you get weaker and that's that. It is possible for one past their prime to mantain and in extremley rare cases get better in certain physical areas. The thing is, most old people either don't care for staying fit, give up or are just too busy with other things. Then there are medical problems and injuries stacking up. and todays medicine is helping out the last part.**

ONEinchPUNCH

@Kma:

@ OneInchPunch haha ya paragraphs were my intention but for some reason it keeps getting clumped together. I kept going back trying to edit it but same result. Anyone know how to fix this? its really bothering me… about the Shaolin monk thing, I learn Shaolin and I can tell you this, my master is one crazy SOB (grew up and became a master at the Shaolin Temple). He's not young either but he moves like a cat or something. He jumps incredibly high and dosent make a noise when his feet hit the ground. Looking at him makes what I said in my previous post look like crap. Hes incredibly fast and he dosen't even look it.

I'm not sure about the paragraph part, I just press enter twice at the end of the sentence and every goes fine.

You could try closing the window and opening it again, I remember Italic's getting locked and I couldn't write normally. I just closed it and re-opened the page and all was fine

So anyway I'm going to try and follow in these olders guy's footsteps showing their will and spirit is much appreciated.

dlo62282

Polygon, what you fail 2 realize is that no matter how much you train when you get older things on your body dont work the same as before.

Rather if its your eyesight, diseases, immune system, and etc. Alot of these people have no control over. That comes with old age. You can be in great physical shape and still have a heart failure.

Impel Down

I still don't see how BB having a gravity fruit makes Dragon a logia.

ONEinchPUNCH

@dlo62282:

Polygon, what you fail 2 realize is that no matter how much you train when you get older things on your body dont work the same as before.

Rather if its your eyesight, diseases, immune system, and etc. Alot of these people have no control over. That comes with old age. You can be in great physical shape and still have a heart failure.

Right and that's where medicine comes into play. So far only the ones with the best lifestyle and determination have managed stay strong and healthy.

When we get older medicine will have evolved stopping alot of these diseases that get in the way. Everyday their finding these new vitamins making your heart healthier. Then theres omega 3 which is good for many things but the most attractive trait it has in my eyes is it's effects on our joints. Having enough omega 3 in our diet will help stop arthritis.

Imagine how far medicine will have evolved in 40-50 years, this gives our generation more reason to not give up.

Polygon

@dlo62282:

Polygon, what you fail 2 realize is that no matter how much you train when you get older things on your body dont work the same as before.

Rather if its your eyesight, diseases, immune system, and etc. Alot of these people have no control over. That comes with old age. You can be in great physical shape and still have a heart failure.

**No, I do understand that. I alreedy talked about medicine, and like OiP sai, medicine is only getting better.

Also, training does matter. It usually prevents things like that. Of course, there is also genitics and things like that. Our technology is growing rapidly. Even 10 years can provide a lot of improvment in every field. Remember, there was a time where most people weren't expected to live past 40. Back then, a simple sickness could = death. And look at us now.**

Kma

A big part of it also is our hormones and as men, our proud awesome Testosterone plays a big part in maintaining musclemass, aggressiveness as well as reproduction purposeness. Once we reach our 50s, 60s our bodies don't produce nearly as much. From an evolutionary standpoint, when we reach that age we aren't 'useful' to the population anymore. We are unlikely to produce any more offspring and provide food for our children, so there isn't as much reason for our hypothalamus to keep pumping out testosterone (as well as other hormones such as growth hormone). So unfortunately if your less aggressive and more passive once you reach that age you will in a sense get 'weaker.' You won't have as much drive as you do now. I'm not just talking physically either, notice how many older business men are more passive, not looking for promotions while younger ones will.

Wow I think I was pretty offtopic so I'll say something about OP

Garp, Whitebeard, Zeff, and all those old men have altered their hormone system and are aggressive and strong as ever.

Polygon

@Kma:

A big part of it also is our hormones and as men, our proud awesome Testosterone plays a big part in maintaining musclemass, aggressiveness as well as reproduction purposeness. Once we reach our 50s, 60s our bodies don't produce nearly as much. From an evolutionary standpoint, when we reach that age we aren't 'useful' to the population anymore. We are unlikely to produce any more offspring and provide food for our children, so there isn't as much reason for our hypothalamus to keep pumping out testosterone (as well as other hormones such as growth hormone). So unfortunately if your less aggressive and more passive once you reach that age you will in a sense get 'weaker.' You won't have as much drive as you do now. I'm not just talking physically either, notice how many older business men are more passive, not looking for promotions while younger ones will.

Wow I think I was pretty offtopic so I'll say something about OP

That's true. I wouldn't say you would nessarilly get weaker from that, but you just don't try as hard on most things as you used to. but like always, there are always those few exeptions.

Ronaldinho

@Polygon:

**No, I do understand that. I alreedy talked about medicine, and like OiP sai, medicine is only getting better.

Also, training does matter. It usually prevents things like that. Of course, there is also genitics and things like that. Our technology is growing rapidly. Even 10 years can provide a lot of improvment in every field. Remember, there was a time where most people weren't expected to live past 40. Back then, a simple sickness could = death. And look at us now.**

Well,this might be true,but there are new diseases evolving trhat we can not control. We destroy the nature and it is trying to fight back with new diseases. Also, we still can't control viruses.

ONEinchPUNCH

@Ronaldinho:

Well,this might be true,but there are new diseases evolving trhat we can not control. We destroy the nature and it is trying to fight back with new diseases. Also, we still can't control viruses.

@Polygon:

there are always those few exeptions.

That's where this^ comes into play.

Polygon

**I wonder why old people are so underestimed when they have lifted more than a dozen bricks with their teeth, moved entire ships by themselves, do 100s of puchups every day and are teaching people decades younger than them while still kicking ass.

I mean, yeah old ae does present problems. But, it's not like those problems can't be prevented or at least taken care of in most instances. Yes, there are always enitics, "incurable" desieses and the like, but we could also have kids who can't walk or kids who age really fast.

If a girl who wasn't ever supposed to be able to walk could work hard enoough and go on to win a gold medal at running, I don't see why an old guy who trains just as hard and takes care of their body can't still stay strong.

And this was in no way an attack at you,** Ronaldinho.

ONEinchPUNCH

@Polygon:

I wonder why old people are so underestimed when they have lifted more than a dozen bricks with their teeth, moved entire ships by themselves, do 100s of puchups every day and are teaching people decades younger than them while still kicking ass.

I mean, yeah old ae does present problems. But, it's not like those problems can't be prevented or at least taken care of in most instances. Yes, there are always enitics, "incurable" desieses and the like, but we could also have kids who can't walk or kids who age really fast.

If a girl who wasn't ever supposed to be able to walk could work hard enoough and go on to win a gold medal at running, I don't see why an old guy who trains just as hard and takes care of their body can't still stay strong.

And this was in no way an attack at you, Ronaldinho.

Don't forget bruce lee beating paralysis.

Doctors told him he would never walk again. He overcame it and then the doctors told him he was lucky and he would never fight again.

What did he do? H eproved them wrong again reclaiming his crown as the greatest martial artist ever (IMO).

You people should stop stereotyping yourselves, you can do whatever you put your mind to

Ronaldinho

@Polygon:

**I wonder why old people are so underestimed when they have lifted more than a dozen bricks with their teeth, moved entire ships by themselves, do 100s of puchups every day and are teaching people decades younger than them while still kicking ass.

I mean, yeah old ae does present problems. But, it's not like those problems can't be prevented or at least taken care of in most instances. Yes, there are always enitics, "incurable" desieses and the like, but we could also have kids who can't walk or kids who age really fast.

If a girl who wasn't ever supposed to be able to walk could work hard enoough and go on to win a gold medal at running, I don't see why an old guy who trains just as hard and takes care of their body can't still stay strong.

And this was in no way an attack at you,** Ronaldinho.

I didn't say that old people are weak. It's just that the "few exceptions" are growing. Look for example at Aids. Look at how many people have HPV. I am sure that researchers will find a way to stop thesese diseases. But what if the virus change only strand? I think that old people can stay strong but their reflexes worsen. I know someone who trains himself every day. He gets phisically stronger but his speed is decreasing.

Ps: You reallly don't have to write that it wasn't a attack against me.