I think Pipboy was saying that BB takes damage whenever he absorbs an attack.
Does that mean Luffy must give a punch with more energy than that atomic explosion ace made to defeat BB?
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Chapter 441 "Duel on Barona Island" Discussion
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THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELLS YOU
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4. Blackbeards power is not Light phobic. If it where his arm couldn't become shadow like it does. Crocodile couldn't transform while wet. Blackbear can transform when in the presence of a gigantic mini sun. Look at his hand. Whatever its weakness its NOT LIGHT PERIOD! NO white holes, no particle fountains no light light fruits. Gomu gomu no DAME!
Actually Crocodile could still produce sand when wet. He used Desert Spada after Luffy poured water on him in the gardens of the Alabasta palace, it was his defensive abilities that were cancelled by water/blood. As Blackbeard only produces darkness while being unable to completely turn his body into darkness, it's very possible daylight is indeed partly cancelling his powers.
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So Blackbeard is a vampire which goes back to my post above with the cross.
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Crocodile drained himself of water if you remember. He placed his own hand on himself and dessicated. The result. Dryness. Thats why luffy's plan to soak him was incomplete and why he had to keep his own fists wet through the course of the fight.
Furthermore Blackbeard obviously dissassciated into shadow (he loses a human siloutette in a negative manner) while under light.
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この2人の争いは 後に起こるあの極めて大きな事件の・・・引き鉄として語られる事とな
The fight between these two is an exceedingly talked about affair by those who would draw their swordsThat was from the other translation that BF posted. by Martigan. This definitely seems to point to the Whitebeard vs Shanks scenario goin on apparently at the same time, so maybe we may get to see more about that after all.
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Ì think that BB's power is alot like the sea, with Luffy he would just be unable to willingly stretch, so he would be alot more like a normal person. So he would still be able to take hits and the like, and use Gear 2 and 3. If he cant, then i dont see how he would be able to really do much to fight BB…..........But i spose Oda will do it some other way, if he has to
Maybe Gear 2 Octopus Fireworks would work against BB.
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White Beard is a wimp…
He's all talk...
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So now that we've seen one "D." prey on another "D." – does this give us enough evidence to prove that each individual "Will of D." is working independently towards an individual (selfish) goal, and not working collectively towards some sort of common "Will of D" goal?
Hmm.
Interesting.And as for the theories about the nature of B's devil fruit power. As best I can tell, it's a lot like Blueno's Door-Door -- except that Blackbeard seems to act both as a doorway to another place and as that other place (or at least temoprarily).
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0_0; What happened to Ace? I hope he is not gulp Dead!
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While I do think that Ace lost the battle and maybe died I don't think the hat at the end is solid proof that he lost/died. Obviously you guys know that during the fight Ace lost his hat when Blackbeard first grabbed him and he isn't seen with the hat for the rest of the fight. So although I think that the hat does signify Ace lost/died saying all that remains of Ace is his hat is kinda weird cause he wasn't wearing his hat when he used Fire King. Uh hope I wasn't stating the obvious…
Anyways I would just like to comment on how sick some of Ace's moves are. The Holy Flame Shiranui and Fire Cross were wicked. I also used to think that Enel was too powerful, especially with that huge thunderball he created with Maxim and I had a hard time imagining how the stronger pirates would match. Finally though, after seeing Ace's Fire King relieves me.
Also while I do believe that Ace dying would benefit certain aspects of the story, I would also be kind of angry if he does. I'll admit Ace is one of my favourite characters. I wouldnt mind him dying so much if I got to see his character get developed more. Im hoping for an Ace backstory and how he meets Whitebeard.
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I just want to add to my last post (probaly should have done an edit but…)
If you look at Ch. 178 the fight between crocodile and Luffy, when Luffy gets impaled how does Oda end the chapter? You guessed it, a shot of his strawhat.
While its obvious that Luffy didnt die because he is the main character and the same thing can't be said about Ace, I just wanted to point that out. Oda could have just used it for dramatics.
I still am torn about whether to think hes just defeated or died. Argh, cant wait till next chapter.
EDIT: http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceManga/onepiecechapter178.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=3488
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You have the edit button, kma.
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Well, this is utterly diffrent from the spoiler. Man, I can't believe that the yami yami fruit (I STARTED CALLING IT THAT FIRST!) is just gravity. That's kinda lamish and really restricts you to what you can do, kinda. Plus, it's too much of an uber-power, like Tyki Mikk (D. Gray-man reference). Still awesome. Next ch. will have nothing to do with this fight, though.
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Impel Down, did you not just see Ace get owned?
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Well, so far Oda hasn't had the heart to kill a flesh-and-blood character that's not in a flashback, so here's hoping Ace isn't dead. Likely isn't, but it doesn't change the fact that he's likely going to lose.
But whoo! Hatless Ace is sexy stuff. Ahh, if only Luffy could reach levels of hotness (no pun intended) like this. Maybe in three years when he's 20 like Ace. (although he'll never have the cuteness of Ace's freckles)
I'm glad that Oda has given Blackbeard a weakness in that he CAN be hurt unlike other Logia users. His power is still freaking insane, but the drawback does leave a window of opportunity for his defeat. When giving characters powers it's always important to limit them in some way or else they'll just be seen as cheesy and unbelievable coughaizencough.
And the question that begs to be asked: If there's a Dark fruit, is there a Light fruit?
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I like how this had a Western theme to it beginning with Ace and Blackbeard staring it other down in an alley before all Hell breaks lose. I was hoping that Blackbeard would turn out to be more of a physical fighter and his devil fruit only seems to compliment his massive strength given that he only hit Ace twice before he was reeling.
"Yeah, I only wish Manny were here to see this."
"…Then why did you kill him?"
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Am I the only one who thinks the fight has concluded? Similar to how we got the shot of Luffy's hat, we got the shot of Ace's hat. Ace has lost, to me this is what that signifies in addition to the final phrase of the chapter. However, I doubt Ace is dead, i'm willing to make the assumption he's still alive until proven otherwise.
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Am I the only one who thinks the fight has concluded? Similar to how we got the shot of Luffy's hat, we got the shot of Ace's hat. Ace has lost, to me this is what that signifies in addition to the final phrase of the chapter. However, I doubt Ace is dead, i'm willing to make the assumption he's still alive until proven otherwise.
Agreed. There would be no point in the fight continuing except to add some more attacks by either combatant. We've seen enough of Blackbeard's power to get the gist of it with any other stuff being surprises along the way. Ace seems to have served his part in the story as well. Having the fight continue would accomplish nothing really.
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Not sure if this is brought up by anyone, but who thinks that it will be cool to see Blackbeard use his abilities to transform into a being a darkness, just like how Eneru transformed into an electrical god.
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Since Luffy is strong as fuck with out his Rubberness and since Being flattened isn't really that big a deal for someone made of rubber. I see no handicapes in a Luffy vs. BlackBeard fight.
Also I believe this fight is conlcuded. I don't know why we're speculating that it isn't.
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i think that after the collision buggy is going to come rescue ace
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Man, I cant WAIT to see this fight animated in the anime. Also, it would be pretty funny if it turns out Ace won the stuggle against BB in that sun vs. black hole.
Blackbeard for the next Grand Battle!
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that would be pretty cool
to see how Buggy's powers have "evolved" since last we saw him.
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Since Luffy is strong as fuck with out his Rubberness and since Being flattened isn't really that big a deal for someone made of rubber. I see no handicapes in a Luffy vs. BlackBeard fight.
.One problem with that. Ace was always able to defeat Luffy even after Luffy got his Gomu Gomu abilities. Plus we have no real idea what happened to Ace. So until we do, we have no idea on how he was "99% likely" defeated.
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Ace and Luffy both have one big difference. Stamina and endurance. One thing that we have all noticed among Logia users, they are all frail at taking damage. This is due to the fact that they aren't used to taking damage due to their invulnerability. Whereas Luffy always gets physically clobbered each and every fight, making him tougher and tougher as the story progresses. Right now I would say that Ace stripped of his powers is a definite no contest against Luffy.
As for the OHKO thing… I believe it most impossible to occur again. The only reason that Bellamy went down in one punch is because the attack was a counter-punch, meaning he actually took two attacks, Luffy's punch and his own spring lunge. So unless Blackbeard lunges at him at lightspeed, there is no way that Luffy can bring Blackbeard down in one attack.
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seems to me that since bb's power sucks everything in, when he's attacked, hits stop when they reach him rather than go through: nothing can escape the gravity. so to me it's not that he doesn't function like a normal logia, but rather he feels the effects of attacks due to them not being able to just pass through and escape the effectts of his own power.
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I agree with aallx…... Ace body might have gotten weaker because he rely too much on his Mera Mera fruit which no one can hit.... while Luffy gets pounded here and there........ which body do you think will get stronger over time?
I wonder if the eventual Luffy vs Blackbeard fight will turn out to be the last fight for One Piece....... this chapter already proves that Blackbeard is almost virtually the Pirate King...as he OWNS all devil user in ability!!!
Now, all he needs is to get rid of the marines, the world government, whitebeard, shanks, the 2 other yonkou, Luffy ....
and he is automatically the Pirate King...
Pro-Main Cast Evangelist. In Oda We Trust. TheJackAss Crew. AMC = Anti-main Cast. Luffy x Nami.
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Well I broke my mouse when I clicked the next page only to realize the chapter was over. Damnit I want more!
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Some of you are missing the point here.
1. Blackbeard's power is the manipulation of Gravity.
Gravity is a force that accelerates any mass towards the central point of gravitation at a rate equal to the gravitational constant (g, which on earth is 9.8 meters/seconds² towards the core of the earth). Remember the 100x g training rooms from DBZ? Same idea.
So, Blackbeards power is simply to accelerate any object and most forms of energy towards his shroud of darkness.
For example: in his Black Hole technique, Blackbeard expands his darkness shroud through out the town and then ramps up the gravitational constant (g) of all mass in its vicinity. The buildings aren't meant to resist that kind of stress and crumble. In his Liberation technique, he reverses the (g) and all the buildings shoot up into the air.
After that, blackbeard draws back the shroud so that it is only covering his jacket, feet and hands.
2. The force behind Blackbeards punches is beyond the limit of physical strength.
Force equals mass x acceleration. A normal punch has a maximum force equal to the mass of the arm times the speed at which the punch can be thrown. The only way a regular fighter can increase the force of their punches is to work out and gain strength so as to throw a punch faster.
Blackbeard adds the gravitational acceleration (g)caused by his ability to each one of his punches. If he can get his (g) up to 100x earths gravity, then he's throwing SSJ level of punches. He's only limited by his control of the devil fruit.
3. Luffy would have a much easier time defeating blackbeard than any logia would. Rubber has the convenient ability of bouncing in gravity. You drop a rubber ball onto a hard surface and it manipulates the force of the gravity to repel itself back away from the source of gravity. So, luffy should be able to bounce off the shroud if he's can atleast get himself a little jump first.
Also, unlike with a logia, blackbeard's touch will not stop luffy from being rubber (think stretchy neck in arlong park.) This means that luffy will still be immune to most of blackbeards physical attacks and while he won't be able to stretch at will, should still be able to use gears and knock BB around. Honestly, we haven't seen BB have any techniques that would be useful against luffy yet.
4th. There was a time gap in this fight between Ace's Crossfire attack and the big fire sun vs dark globe finale while Van auger was talking. So, we should expect BB to have some more tricks in his sleave. This also means that Ace took more damage than just the gut punch and the neck strike. He's not that pathetic.
5th. Blackbeard had his darkness shroud on his jacket for most of the fight. This probably meant that he could gravitate Ace's crossfire attack towards his fire resistant jacket and thus avoid a direct fire attack at his chest. Ace didn't have a chance.
That's my peace. Be happy all.
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Actually, I'm not sure rubber's bounciness will do a lot of good.
Rubber bounces, but a steel ball will bounce higher in equal conditions, because it's more of an inelastic collision.
When rubber hits the floor, some of the kinetic energy is burnt on heating and deforming the rubber or converted into sound. The less of that, the more bounce-back you get.
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3. Luffy would have a much easier time defeating blackbeard than any logia would. Rubber has the convenient ability of bouncing in gravity. You drop a rubber ball onto a hard surface and it manipulates the force of the gravity to repel itself back away from the source of gravity. So, luffy should be able to bounce off the shroud if he's can atleast get himself a little jump first.
Also, unlike with a logia, blackbeard's touch will not stop luffy from being rubber (think stretchy neck in arlong park.) This means that luffy will still be immune to most of blackbeards physical attacks and while he won't be able to stretch at will, should still be able to use gears and knock BB around. Honestly, we haven't seen BB have any techniques that would be useful against luffy yet.
good point…....now, maybe with that argument, Luffy might "LOOK" like to have a slight edge..... only slight........ but i doubt that's significant enough......... Luffy still has a limit on getting hit...... as we saw during the Lucchi fight....
but I still doubt Gears will work on Blackbeard......... he virtually is immune to damages...... just look at Ace's attacks.......... Blackbeard just brushed it away like it is a mosquito bite!
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Something else to consider: Blackbeard's powers don't necessarily work like Seastone. Seastone's been shown to weaken Luffy but leave him stretchy. Blackbeard could possibly change Luffy's body from Rubber to Normal on any contact.
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Also, unlike with a logia, blackbeard's touch will not stop luffy from being rubber (think stretchy neck in arlong park.)
Blackbeard specifically said that if he touches ANY DF user (logia, zoan, paramecian), the ability of the user is nullified.
Which means if Luffy touches BB, he cannot bounce off because the rubber properties are negated.
I think it will be a close-hitting match between BB and Luffy. No DFs, no nasty tricks, pure ol' scrappin'.
And I also agree that Ace's (or any Logia, for that matter), usual "over-dependence" on their DF powers to phase through normal attack lessen their prowess in physical fighting. I mean, if Croc and Enel fought Luffy with just bare hands, Luffy would have had an easier time. It's easy to think that Luffy has surpassed Ace in terms of physical strength over time since Luffy practically gets beat up most of the time while Ace, like BB said, has not felt any direct hit on him since eating/mastering that DF. I don't really understand how people fail to imagine this scenario just because Luffy made a comment once that Ace owned him when they were younger.
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people change over time….. like Luffy...... after the battle in Enies Lobby...... he probably got stronger and wiser after all that beating from Lucchi...and the crap talk from Lucchi...... makes his realise he is still not good enough....
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people change over time….. like Luffy...... after the battle in Enies Lobby...... he probably got stronger and wiser after all that beating from Lucchi...and the crap talk from Lucchi...... makes his realise he is still not good enough....
yea Luffy will be able to take out Blackbeard in the end…but not now. He's not ready. He needs holy water, crosses...
Kuma's probably the best chance against Blackbeard right now.
Seriously though, i think Luffy has a better chance than Ace, but he'll probably still lose right now.
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Blackbeard specifically said that if he touches ANY DF user (logia, zoan, paramecian), the ability of the user is nullified.
Which means if Luffy touches BB, he cannot bounce off because the rubber properties are negated.
I think it will be a close-hitting match between BB and Luffy. No DFs, no nasty tricks, pure ol' scrappin'.
And I also agree that Ace's (or any Logia, for that matter), usual "over-dependence" on their DF powers to phase through normal attack lessen their prowess in physical fighting. I mean, if Croc and Enel fought Luffy with just bare hands, Luffy would have had an easier time. It's easy to think that Luffy has surpassed Ace in terms of physical strength over time since Luffy practically gets beat up most of the time while Ace, like BB said, has not felt any direct hit on him since eating/mastering that DF. I don't really understand how people fail to imagine this scenario just because Luffy made a comment once that Ace owned him when they were younger.
Ace is probably still physically stronger, but that doesn't mean his endurance was ever monstrous. I like to think Luffy's endurance has always been ridiculous, while Ace has always had demonic strength.
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Seriously though, i think Luffy has a better chance than Ace, but he'll probably still lose right now.
Why would you say that???? Ace is stronger then luffy, yet he got man handle by Blackbeard.
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@Bounty Berry: The difference is that a rubber ball does not have legs or muscle like luffy does. The energy lost to heat and sound can be replaced with leg work. I'm assuming of course that the shroud is a hard surface. Well, even if it isn't luffy might still be able to bounce of blackbeards body.
@kljs: Blackbeard can only brush off attacks if he can absorb the energy with the darkness shroud on his hands or jacket. After the double fire lance attack you see him grabbing one of the lances after feeling a lot of pain. It kind of looked like he aborbed the crossfire attack with his hand. In the areas not covered by shroud, he's as vulnerable as anyother super powered D….
It'll be a fun fight.
@fanservice: He did say that he'd affect paramecia and zoon, but that doesn't mean he'd remove their transformation. Where logia willingly manipulate their darkfruit power to become and control an element, paramecia are physically transformed by the darkfruit. They can then use this transformation to control parts of their bodies.
When luffy was stuck underwater in arlong park, he could no longer stretch at will but he was still made out of rubber. Compare that to when crocodile was put in seastone hand cuffs and could no longer TURN INTO sand.
My understanding is that when Blackbeard sucks away the darkfruit energy:
-a zoon won't be able to transform or they'll be stuck in their most natural state (think chopper's chibi form when he's fished out of the water).
-A logia would not be able to transform into or control their element.
-and a Paramecia would retain their transformation but no longer be able to control their ability. For example, if buggy's head were floating off and the rest of him fell into the water, the head would fall to the ground but he would still be able to breathe and not have blood spurting out of his neck.
edit: @sgamer: you're right, I'm assuming it works like seastone or seawater, but that's just bacause that's the only thing we've seen that can nullify Devilfruit energy.
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Why would you say that???? Ace is stronger then luffy, yet he got man handle by Blackbeard.
if you are talking about "NOW"….. then Luffy isn't going to be able to touch Blackbeard... it would probably ended in a OHKO.
however, things changes as time goes by...... by the time Luffy actually has to face Blackbeard, who knows what other stuff Luffy has figure out from his powers?
same can be said for Blackbeard too....so, it's the match of the century and possibly the FINAL MATCH in One Piece........ there can be only 1 winner and 1 Pirate King......
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yea Luffy will be able to take out Blackbeard in the end…but not now. He's not ready. He needs holy water, crosses...
What good do those do agains gravity though?
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For those who think BB hit Ace "just two times" - you're wrong, that was just for starters. The rest of the beating is just not depicted explicitly. A f%ckin MOUNTAIN FELL DOWN while the two fought for god's sake.
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@ultimateclima:
Kuma's probably the best chance against Blackbeard right now.
Enlighten me….please point me any chapter that shows your knowledge or that defends this claim. We don't even know what Kuma's power is yet!
Why would you say that???? Ace is stronger then luffy, yet he got man handle by Blackbeard.
Stronger than Luffy BEFORE. We don't know right now.
Ace is probably still physically stronger, but that doesn't mean his endurance was ever monstrous. I like to think Luffy's endurance has always been ridiculous, while Ace has always had demonic strength.
Your point being?
Ace being stronger is TRUE when Luffy and Ace when they were younger. I have been reading for 400 chapters and I have yet to see Ace beat somebody SANS his DF. I'm not downplaying Ace's fighting prowess. For all we know, he may really be one tough mofo as Luffy said, but IMO, you guys are giving Luffy too little credit. I don't get where you're getting the "Ace is probably still stronger" stuff you mentioned other than from Luffy's claims based on his interpretation on their (the brothers') situation a couple of years ago.
To come up with something that "Ace has always had demonic strength" is too much considering we haven't seen him fight physically yet. All we get was Luffy mentioning that he cannot beat Ace before.
Logically, Luffy has more reason to improve in terms of physical fighting since his DF requires him to. Ace has very little reason to fight in a physical manner at all since his DF makes him invincible to physical attacks.
boiga: Point taken. However, I still don't get how Luffy can "bounce" off of Blackbeard if BB is has a grip on him. For instance, Luffy has his right arm streched out in a rubbery state. His left arm gets sucked in by BB. He cannot transform/strech any other parts now, but his right arm retains its elasticity because he streched before he got held down by BB. By all intents and purposes, if Luffy decides to punch BB with his elongated right hand and BB decides to suck the punch also, how would Luffy being rubber allow him to bounce off of BB?
Also, your analysis of rubber "bouncing" off gravity is a little off. Rubber can bounce off the surface of ANOTHER solid object, but as for gravity itself? Rubber has NO "resistance for it". If you take away the solid object, a rubber ball just keeps on falling.
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However, I still don't get how Luffy can "bounce" off of Blackbeard if BB is has a grip on him. For instance, Luffy has his right arm streched out in a rubbery state. His left arm gets sucked in by BB. He cannot transform/strech any other parts now, but his right arm retains its elasticity because he streched before he got held down by BB. By all intents and purposes, if Luffy decides to punch BB with his elongated right hand and BB decides to suck the punch also, how would Luffy being rubber allow him to bounce off of BB?
That's actually the ideal situation for luffy. If blackbeard accelerates luffy towards him, luffy can prepare a bazooka attack in the air. He sends both arms way back and adds the acceleration from the arm rubber band to blackbeards gravitational acceleration and land both palms on blackbeard's face. The resulting collision will knock luffy back out of blackbeards grabbing range. I'm seriously expecting this exact scenario to be part of the opening exchange of attacks in this fight.
However, if blackbeard already has his hands on luffy, luffy's only hope is to resist a blackbeard punch and break out using physical non-rubber based attacks/strength. Also, the other main power of gravity is compression to which rubber is also resilient.
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Is it just me that's wondering about why BB was the person to set this "trigger" off?
Blackbeard is a D. Does that make him the first evil D? And if so, that means he will at one point or another clash with the other D's… Yes, it's obvious because he'll probably meet Luffy at some point, but my question is why oh why Blackbeard?
It could have been any freakishly strong pirate, but why it had to be Blackbeard facing off against Ace. Does this mean the D's will have a earth-shaking impact? We've already seen three D's reach that level; Gol D Roger, Dragon and Luffy (to an extent due to Ennies Lobby).
Is BB the next?
And yes, i really do dislike the idea of setting BB up as the bad guy.
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I honestly don't think that killing Portgas D. Ace or even capturing him would be something that would get Whitebeard into the Shichibukai.
If anything, it would make the World Government want to distance themselves from Teach, because Whitebeard's basically going to be going on a rampage to stop the murderer/captor of Ace, and if Teach was affiliated with WG then he'd have reason to actively assault them, Shanks would too, as would Dragon (though Dragon plans it already), basically if Teach becomes Shichibukai for this I imagine Dragon coming up to Whitebeard and Shanks and forming alliances with them, making his revolution way, way more serious.
Luffy still seems like the best candidate for him to get into the Shichibukai, I think that's the reason that Blackbeard offered to have Ace in his crew.
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Also, I got the feeling that Blackbeard was incredibly fast in his punch. I'm talking faster than Luffy in gear second, as the panel literally shows Blackbeard grab ace, and then the very next panel he's already connecting and hitting Ace so hard that Ace pukes blood like Luffy does when he's practically defeated by Lucci, however this is just Blackbeard's first punch to Ace. I don't know that Luffy would even be able to hit Blackbeard before he was sent flying by him, as Ace was.
I think that everything about Blackbeard is misleading, seems to me that he was letting Ace hit him just to gauge the guy or just for show, and that he could have avoided those attacks had he wanted to. Of course, I have no evidence for that it's just my opinion.
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That's actually the ideal situation for luffy. If blackbeard accelerates luffy towards him, luffy can prepare a bazooka attack in the air. He sends both arms way back and adds the acceleration from the arm rubber band to blackbeards gravitational acceleration and land both palms on blackbeard's face. The resulting collision will knock luffy back out of blackbeards grabbing range. I'm seriously expecting this exact scenario to be part of the opening exchange of attacks in this fight.
That is, IF BB directs/accelerates Luffy to his face. Another power I have seen that BB uses is that black column thingy that he uses to suck stuff. If he uses that to absorb Luffy's punches instead, I have a hard time visioning their fight.
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Science!!!
[/Thomas Dolby]Thanks for explaining Blackbeard's powers, Boiga!
It makes sense now. Somehow the "gravity" part was lost on me the first time (I'm blaming my cough medicine hahah! ), so that I was thinking of "gravity" in a metaphorical way, not a literal way. Now I know better!Since at least one other person (besides me) has wondered about this in this thread, I'd like to hear your take on it, Boiga (if you don't mind me asking, that is) : is the "Will of D" a Jungian "collective unconscious" thingy, or is it more like a hereditary sociopathic tendency?
I once believed that it was a "collective unconscious" thing – that everybody who carried a "D" was working together (regardless of if they realized it or wanted to) towards some sort of Big Important Destiny (tm). But now that we've seen two Ds fighting against each other and the possibility of a future battle between two other Ds -- and an inevitable clash between the survivors of both matches ... oh, and don't forget the whole Garp and Roger thing (again, both were "D"s and both were challenging each other in some sort of way) -- it doesn't seem so "collective" anymore! In fact it almost seems as if the Will of D is an inherited compulsion to openly challenge anybody else who carries a "D" in their name!
Makes me wonder if actually there are two strains of the D "will" – one strain that compels the victim to follow an individual path, and another strain that compels a different victim to follow an opposite path, just to spite the first victim.
Kind of like Dr Suess's Sneetches (and that mysterious Mr MacMONKEY McBean)
"And the star-bellied Teaches who lived on the beaches had no Ds in thars, yet the ..."
Arrghh!
This cough medicine is making me delirious!
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man this chapter really is the best ODA is the best
