since BB have the power to take out a town. Maybe he shld fight eneru or even dragon.
No, it's going to turn out like that…. for sure.....
Blackbeard is going to fight Whitebeard, Shanks and Luffy to say the least....
Throughout this month, we will be testing new features (like search) so you may experience some hiccups from time to time. We'll try to not be too disruptive...
Chapter 441 "Duel on Barona Island" Discussion
-
-
We knew he'd lose so how has this changed the story? It hasn't turned or even veered. It's not something like say, the Gorousei coming way the fuck out of left field ^O^
Well, it's your opinion so that's fine, I won't futily try to change it or anything, but I'll say my bit.
I think it's a good thing we saw this because it's a confrontation we've been waiting for for close to 30 volumes now. Basically, you say Oda could have achieved the same by just showing the outcome of the fight (With Ace lying around unconscious or whatever), which is precisely what he didn't show this time.
I disagree, because if he did… I wouldn't care. It'd be like, oh, Blackbeard is strong, okay whatever. Taking a chapter or two to actually build up the fight made me appreciate Teach as a villain for the first time in the series and also Ace as a character. Which I consider important. He's a D and one of the strongest characters in the world, while being directly related to our Luffy. Just showing the outcome of the fight would tell us absolutely nothing about him beside what we already knew. Which would make the whole thing a shallow deal, and the outcome of the fight equally so. Now, even if it's just because we say him all bloodied up and making a little speech, that's what I consider a pretty big deal and more than worth a single chapter out of hundreds of others.
And even more importantly, now I wanna see Teach get whooped. And that's how an antagonist should work. If it takes Oda a chapter or so to make that come about, I'm totally fine with it. I don't think he could've achieved it any other way. That aside, the fight itself was cool and I like cool stuff.
I'll agree with you about anxiously wanting to see the crew again and moving that along, but this is only because we're dealing with a weekly series and there are waits inbetween chapters. And besides, when we see the crew again next week (hopefully) it'll be great for me because we were allowed to take a break from their antics for a month or so. I'll be totally ready to dive back in completely refreshed, even more so because we've got a new crewmember + ship to look forward to exploring.
End unnecessarily long post.
-
Odd, the best chapters are the ones without the Strawhats.
Brawl FC: 3823 8204 8139
-
Some of you are missing the point here.
1. Blackbeard's power is the manipulation of Gravity.
Gravity is a force that accelerates any mass towards the central point of gravitation at a rate equal to the gravitational constant (g, which on earth is 9.8 meters/seconds² towards the core of the earth). Remember the 100x g training rooms from DBZ? Same idea.
So, Blackbeards power is simply to accelerate any object and most forms of energy towards his shroud of darkness.
For example: in his Black Hole technique, Blackbeard expands his darkness shroud through out the town and then ramps up the gravitational constant (g) of all mass in its vicinity. The buildings aren't meant to resist that kind of stress and crumble. In his Liberation technique, he reverses the (g) and all the buildings shoot up into the air.
After that, blackbeard draws back the shroud so that it is only covering his jacket, feet and hands.
2. The force behind Blackbeards punches is beyond the limit of physical strength.
Force equals mass x acceleration. A normal punch has a maximum force equal to the mass of the arm times the speed at which the punch can be thrown. The only way a regular fighter can increase the force of their punches is to work out and gain strength so as to throw a punch faster.
Blackbeard adds the gravitational acceleration (g)caused by his ability to each one of his punches. If he can get his (g) up to 100x earths gravity, then he's throwing SSJ level of punches. He's only limited by his control of the devil fruit.
3. Luffy would have a much easier time defeating blackbeard than any logia would. Rubber has the convenient ability of bouncing in gravity. You drop a rubber ball onto a hard surface and it manipulates the force of the gravity to repel itself back away from the source of gravity. So, luffy should be able to bounce off the shroud if he's can atleast get himself a little jump first.
Also, unlike with a logia, blackbeard's touch will not stop luffy from being rubber (think stretchy neck in arlong park.) This means that luffy will still be immune to most of blackbeards physical attacks and while he won't be able to stretch at will, should still be able to use gears and knock BB around. Honestly, we haven't seen BB have any techniques that would be useful against luffy yet.
4th. There was a time gap in this fight between Ace's Crossfire attack and the big fire sun vs dark globe finale while Van auger was talking. So, we should expect BB to have some more tricks in his sleave. This also means that Ace took more damage than just the gut punch and the neck strike. He's not that pathetic.
5th. Blackbeard had his darkness shroud on his jacket for most of the fight. This probably meant that he could gravitate Ace's crossfire attack towards his fire resistant jacket and thus avoid a direct fire attack at his chest. Ace didn't have a chance.
That's my peace. Be happy all.
I'm quoting this because this is the 1 time that someone posting science in one of these threads makes sense and this one makes ALOT of sense
wow….......
well its monday morning heres to new spoiler topic incoming and the debate on real or fake begins anew
-
Amen to that, brother/brotha.
-
You guys need to remember Oda never lost sight of children,so,most probably we will get to see more humour.
-
Odd, the best chapters are the ones without the Strawhats.
You know… I actually agree with that.
From the past 200 chapters or so, 434 and 441 are definitly my favorites, and 432 is up there too because it wasn't entirely focused on the crew.
I think that's what saves One Piece from most other long shonens fate, it's not all about the main cast, what takes place around them is even more interesting than their own selfish little goals.
-
You know… I actually agree with that.
From the past 200 chapters or so, 434 and 441 are definitly my favorites, and 432 is up there too because it wasn't entirely focused on the crew.
I think that's what saves One Piece from most other long shonens fate, it's not all about the main cast, what takes place around them is even more interesting than their own selfish little goals.
Yeah exactly. Oda makes the OPverse feel like a living breathing world. Time doesn't stop while the SH are going on their own adventures. Everyone else's storylines are constantly progressing. I'd compare OP to the Marvelverse or DCAU or something in that regard.
Wonder if we go back to WB and Shanks on the next chapter. Or is it back to the SH again?
-
I think that's what saves One Piece from most other long shonens fate, it's not all about the main cast, what takes place around them is even more interesting than their own selfish little goals.
At least their selfish little goals are small, as compare to your hugely selfish opinions towards the manga that is suppose to be about Luffy and the mugiwaras, while these non-mugiwaras chapters are just part of that storylines. Because everytime you state your opinion, you sound like you want the mugiwaras to just die and let other characters have more screen times/panel times. anyway, i don't hate your opinions, just hate that you are reading the manga not because of the mugiwaras, but because of other characters. same goes to some of the people here, they somehow are what I call "anti-main cast" fans.
anyway, i hope the next chapter is going back to the mugiwaras, with a little part about what happened in Barona island….... probably Franky telling the crew about 1000 Sunny's function and features.
-
same goes to some of the people here, they somehow are what I call "anti-main cast" fans.
So?
I don't agree with them but if that's why they enjoy the story I see no problems with it.
-
@Mog:
So?
I don't agree with them but if that's why they enjoy the story I see no problems with it.
I agree with this more or less, however, I think anyone that's a fan of characters so distance from the story (right now) are bound to be disappointed.
It seems to me that the appeal of people in the World Powers is that they are powerful, and we don't know much about them because they have little screen time? Well, wouldn't that change once they get their "own arc" like Crocodile?
That is, assuming they don't die out in this new "Pirate War" that's coming.
-
Aldrich and I never said we hated the SH pirates at all. So please don't put words in our mouth.
Now, I can't speak for Aldrich, but yes I do like the side characters alot more than I like the main characters. But I'm like that with all series. I can't help it if I find the side characters more interesting than the main ones. It's always the unknown that people find the most interesting.
At some point, you tire of seeing the SH go to yet another island and save people all the time. We know what the SH are all about, we don't know much about the side characters however. Which is why most find them more compelling. Be honest, how interesting are the SH by themselves? With the exception of Franky & Chopper, they're not all that interesting or unique. But they are still good characters tho.
But make no mistake, I do not hate or dislike the SH, I just find the stories of the side characters far more interesting. I don't see the problem with that whatsoever.
-
I fully agree with gaara d. lucci.
And I would like to see that what Buggy is doing right now. -
I'm I the only one upset that BB wiped out a whole cowboy island?
-
@AD-HD:
I fully agree with gaara d. lucci.
And I would like to see that what Buggy is doing right now.Didn't Ace promise to show him the way to Luffy or something? I wonder if he just grilled them once he found out what they were up to. Buggy might be burned and stranded on an island next time we see him.
-
Didn't Ace promise to show him the way to Luffy or something? I wonder if he just grilled them once he found out what they were up to. Buggy might be burned and stranded on an island next time we see him.
Actually, no. You can see here that Ace is already celebrating, when Alvida is asking that how they are gonna defeat Luffy.
http://www.onepiecehq.com/manga-viewer/index.php?twg_album=Volume+25%2FVolume+25%2FChapter+233&twg_show=One+Piece+-+233+-+10.jpg -
The reason the best chapters are the ones without the Strawhats is because it's been a while since we've seen anyone else, but with good reason. The whole Water 7/ Enies Lobby was supposed to be about them, going elsewhere would make it seem as though it weren't a big deal.
However, now that the arc is over the Strawhats have time to settle down and the plot can allow what other people are doing at the moment. It's like the shock we all got from seeing Smoker and Tashigi again (as in the way they look) when you don't see things for a while you like it more than the norm.
-
@AD-HD:
Actually, no. You can see here that Ace is already celebrating, when Alvida is asking that how they are gonna defeat Luffy.
http://www.onepiecehq.com/manga-viewer/index.php?twg_album=Volume+25%2FVolume+25%2FChapter+233&twg_show=One+Piece+-+233+-+10.jpgOh right, but then, Ace mini arc comes after this so he might have just given them some info, but I wonder what info that could have been, the last time he saw Luffy was in Alabasta.
-
Oh right, but then, Ace mini arc comes after this so he might have just given them some info, but I wonder what info that could have been, the last time he saw Luffy was in Alabasta.
Yeah.
Btw, I have always wondered that why people still think that Buggy is hanging with Ace, since there was that Ace mini arc. -
Originally Posted by gaara d. lucci
Odd, the best chapters are the ones without the Strawhats.You know something….your right...more often than not your right!!!
-
Nooo, you aren't counting chapter 420!
-
Also, unlike with a logia, blackbeard's touch will not stop luffy from being rubber (think stretchy neck in arlong park.) This means that luffy will still be immune to most of blackbeards physical attacks and while he won't be able to stretch at will, should still be able to use gears and knock BB around. Honestly, we haven't seen BB have any techniques that would be useful against luffy yet.
Very good post, though i have to nitpick about this small bit.
BB's power has absolutely no relation to the power the ocean has over DF users. While DF users cannot actively use their powers while completely submerged in water, the powers themselves are active.BB's power on the other hand completely shuts off the power, meaning they can't use it whether they want to or not…..as long as he is touching them. So yea, even Luffy wouldn't be able to retain his rubber properties as long as BB is holding on to him.
-
@AD-HD:
Yeah.
Btw, I have always wondered that why people still think that Buggy is hanging with Ace, since there was that Ace mini arc.I think there was some theory about how the mini arc happened before the Buggy thing, but that makes no sense at all.
-
Yes it does. The mini arc could just be like a flashback or something.
-
I think it's a good thing we saw this because it's a confrontation we've been waiting for for close to 30 volumes now.
Yes. I totally agree. Not like I didn't want to see it. I just think a chapter on it was overkill.
Odd, the best chapters are the ones without the Strawhats.
My favorite chapters in the series to date are the revelation of the Gorousei and the 'catch-up' with Buggy. Not to mention 440 was also epic. So I totally agree that the BEST chapters are indeed so. But…chapters like 439 are also rockin' and they include the crew as well. I love how Oda pulls wrap-up chapters.
-
Yes. I totally agree. Not like I didn't want to see it. I just think a chapter on it was overkill.
I agree with you on this. After 440, I expected the next chapter to have half the fight w/ BB vs. Ace and other stuff. I expected a tease of BB's powers but not a full out explanation, but i'm definitely not complaining. I was quite pleased to know just how overpowered BB would be, but nonetheless, I see your point about an entire chapter dedicated to just the fight.
However, I was hoping the second half of the chapter would have been filled with more non-SH material, like x days later, scene of BB officially becoming a shichibukai, or maybe even WB/Shanks' initial reactions to the news of Ace's defeat. But probably just wishful thinking.
-
I expected a tease of BB's powers but not a full out explanation
Yes, I'm with you on that and I also really can't complain. I mean sure, the mystery is gone but on the other hand, if Oda pulled the whole "Oooh what can this person do? I ain't gonna tell you for another 30 chapters!" thing again it would be kinda lame-o. In some ways I'm glad he gave it a break.
However, I was hoping the second half of the chapter would have been filled with more non-SH material, like x days later, scene of BB officially becoming a shichibukai, or maybe even WB/Shanks' initial reactions to the news of Ace's defeat. But probably just wishful thinking.
That would have been dandy too. Or maybe a game of catch-up with Buggy. I dunno, just something you couldn't see from a mile away.
-
well….
about Oda showcasing BB's powers now, instead of when they first confront eachother, and since they're pretty close to eachother:
Maybe Oda is setting Blackbeard up to be the main villain of the next story arc?
-
Awesome chapter. It seemed a tad bit sad at the end, and now people are saying Ace might be dead. Funny thing is, I just got the chapter and read it before reading anything about it, so I had no idea what to expect. After seeing its ending though, it struck me as pretty serious. I started wondering if Ace really did die. Then I saw people talking about how it was a flashback, and how people in One Piece only ever died in flashbacks, and it really has me wondering. I have no idea what to expect though, as much as I feel that Ace is dead, I'm thinking it's just as probable that he's still alive. Hey, if blackbeard sucked him up, maybe he could live in him? O_o
-
Maybe Oda is setting Blackbeard up to be the main villain of the next story arc?
That's one thing that popped in there. I mean….he's been in the story since freaking Drum and we've slowly but surely been gaining more and more info on him, not to mention finally seeing precisely what he can do.
Some may recall that Croc had a scene VERY similar to this before he entered the stage as the main villain.
And yet....
You could just as easily make a reasonable argument that BB could be one of OP's final villains.
The ball is in the O-Man's hands.
-
I'll bet that Fire Cross attack was based off the Whitebeard flag symbol.
-
I was waiting for BlackBeard to grab Ace, bend him over like a pretzel and shove his head up his butt….
And I guess, in a way, he did that.
-
Wow. Wow. That's kinda like Whitebeard's sig.
-
@Impel:
Wow. Wow. That's kinda like Whitebeard's sig.
Who's sig???????????????????
Oh my sig lol.
-
Yeah, your sig. You know, the spoiler.
-
This is my take on the comment at the end. Instead of BB going after luffy to become one of the seven gods, he will hand over ace to the gov't and the gov't willl send him to impel down. after a arc or too luffy will catch wind that his brother has been captured and the man responsible is BB. This will be a turning point for luffy and his crew and he directly declares war on BB and his crew and this war will drag the rest of the world into this conflict.
-
This post is deleted!
-
This post is deleted!
-
This post is deleted!
-
This post is deleted!
