Knowing Oda that paper will still hold some significance. Somehow that paper will still lead him back to Ace.
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Chapter 441 "Duel on Barona Island" Discussion
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Now we know what a big league fight in the Grand Line is suppose to be like! Simply amazing!
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Wow…. Every DF-user Blackbeard touches becomes powerless... and he can suck them in so there's virtually no escape..... Wow that just SCREAMS "cheap and overpowered".
Whatever, it's still a really cool power. But don't worry, Luffy will beat him one day... you know, after losing and MIRACULOUSLY surviving, like, ten times. =/
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Wow…. Every DF-user Blackbeard touches becomes powerless... and he can suck them in so there's virtually no escape..... Wow that just SCREAMS "cheap and overpowered".
I dont see how its "cheap and overpowered".
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Somehow, I don't think that he is overpowered.
He takes punches after all. And seems that he can't become darkness. He can produce it, tough. -
so can somebody like don flamingo with the speculated power of a pupeteer own BB???
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so can somebody like don flamingo with the speculated power of a pupeteer own BB???
Now there a Cheap player donflamingo is overpowered.
HELL YEA he will make BB walk right into the sea with his a** out.
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Where do you think what Blackbeard sucks go to? If Ace will be sucked into the blackhole, where will he go?
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Seeing the spoilers gave me the impression that BB's power is very strong. He can absord anything including Logia Power and return it 2x. I thought like he can absore Ace's attacks then return it 2x strong.Well, after reading the chapter, I dont think BB's power is that strong. It is true that he can cancel other's devil Fruit power. He like a living SEASTONE. Beside that, there is nothing special about BB's power. Ace's attack can still hurt him.
Ace lost because his attacks are not strong enough to bring down BB. :sad:
BLACK BEARD IS STRONG BECAUSE OF HIS PERSISTENCE NOT BECAUSE OF HIS DEVIL FRUIT POWERRemember? Before having this power, BB was able to hurt Shrank badly
Luffy still have a chance to defeat BB.
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Is it just me, or did anyone else notice those werewolf-like claws Van Auger has on page 8? O.o
Great chapter, thanks BF!
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Now there a Cheap player donflamingo is overpowered.
HELL YEA he will make BB walk right into the sea.
I don't know about Doflamingo being overpowered…. I don't quite remember, but was it ever shown that he can control more than one person at a time? If not, therein lies his weakness....
And as for BB having to take hits, he doesn't HAVE to. It's a choice of his to take the hit and absorb it that way, but if he wanted to avoid the attack like any other Logia, he could.
Please correct me if I'm wrong about that, I'm wrong pretty often. XD
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No. Somebody maked a good theory and it makes sense. Go read 441 spoiler discussion. You find it there.
Which means it isn't expalined. Its speculated.
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Holy crap, it's been so long since there was a chapter, I forgot that one was coming out this week!
Wowza, such intensity. I think it's apparent that Ace lost, but I'm sure he's not actually dead.
This last sentence is intriquing: “The duel at Varona Island on the Grandline: The two’s battle would be spoken of later as the trigger for a great incident that would occur afterward"
Hm….wonder what this will be exactly?
Where do you think what Blackbeard sucks go to? If Ace will be sucked into the blackhole, where will he go?
His anal sphincter, of course.
Actuallly he's able to open up a pocket of subspace, much like the old Transformers theory that explains where Optimus's trailer goes when he transforms. -
Seeing the spoilers gave me the impression that BB's power is very strong. He can absord anything including Logia Power and return it 2x. I thought like he can absore Ace's attacks then return it 2x strong.
Well, after reading the chapter, I dont think BB's power is that strong. It is true that he can cancel other's devil Fruit power. He like a living SEASTONE. Beside that, there is nothing special about BB's power. Ace's attack can still hurt him.
Ace lost because his attacks are not strong enough to bring down BB. :sad:
BLACK BEARD IS STRONG BECAUSE OF HIS PERSISTENCE NOT BECAUSE OF HIS DEVIL FRUIT POWERRemember? Before having this power, BB was able to hurt Shrank badly
Luffy still have a chance to defeat BB.
Smilies are really really annoying. WB recognized this, at least somewhat.
Anyway, Ace created something as hot as the sun. Are you saying that's not powerful? And Luffy himself stated that Ace ALWAYS won. If Ace is stronger than Luffy, then he should have beat Blackbeard, by your logic.
But that logic's faulty.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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I don't know about Doflamingo being overpowered…. I don't quite remember, but was it ever shown that he can control more than one person at a time? If not, therein lies his weakness....
That Big knife guy and the spring guy he controled them 2.
And as for BB having to take hits, he doesn't HAVE to. It's a choice of his to take the hit and absorb it that way, but if he wanted to avoid the attack like any other Logia, he could.
Ace or BB said he could not do what other Logias can.
Guess Im have to wait for stephen to come and bust out with the text.@FFA: only in debates I use the smiles.
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Yay! I got 6 th page and the subject already changed!
Yeah, Brook is family…
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Ace or BB said he could not do what other Logias can.
Guess Im have to wait for stephen to come and bust out with the text.It's stated in the translated script that Blackbeard cannot become his element. My guess is that it's because The obvious weakness to darkness is light, and they fight in the light, but I guess even then logias can create their own element.
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I think he really is dead, because if you notice, the entire outline of the boxes in this chapter are shaded like it's a flashback. So that could be an indicator and it wouldn't go against Oda's rule of not killing characters out of flashbacks….
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i remember that ace and luffy had their last
arm wrestling in arabasta, and they tied
just to be correct and destroy your "ace won always, and
thus is superior"-theorydont compare them with each other
it wont not help you to make new theoriesbtw nice chapter, really awesome stage and BB power
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**Great chapter.
Ace didn't get owned nearly as badly as some people think, but he did lose. Most likley the reason he lost is because BB's darkness absorbed some, if not all, of Ace's fire.
I like the idea of this battle triggering a war, an all out brawl between everyone.**
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@Le:
It's stated in the translated script that Blackbeard cannot become his element. My guess is that it's because The obvious weakness to darkness is light, and they fight in the light, but I guess even then logias can create their own element.
BB cannot become his element.
He can be hit then.
BB can be beat.
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**Perhaps the reason he can be hit is because the weakness of darkness is light? And pretty much everything has some "light" in it.
BB is anti-matter and everything else is matter.
make sense?**
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Jango and Lafite should meet sometime.
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Perhaps the reason he can be hit is because the weakness of darkness is light? And pretty much everything has some "light" in it.
BB is anti-matter and everything else is matter.
make sense?
BB said that he can suck up light, so how would that be his weakness?????
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Blackbeard is even more badass than I though - he "killed" Ace with his bare hands!
I'm still not sure about the nature his powers. Sor far it's certain that he can suck things in, shatter them and spit them out.
But does he HAVE to take the damage? Or did he just choose to? Can he use his darkness to block/swallow the attacks? When Ace attacked him with his Fire Cross, BB seemed unhurt. Same with the giant fireball - that's sure not something he could just shrug off.
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Actually, did anybody notice that in the second-to-last page, a giant rock seems to be torn out of the mountain nearby? -
And how can Blackbeard suck up all light, Whitebeard? He can generate a lot, surely, but if Croc could just suck up water, which he could, how come he couldn't do that when drenched at one point?
Perhaps the reason he can be hit is because the weakness of darkness is light? And pretty much everything has some "light" in it.
Basically what I'm trying to say. Except by light, I mean like "flashlight" or "sunlight". Unless that's what you meant because everything reflects light.
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Awesome chapter. Reading about BB's power is 1 thing but to see it in action is something else. Him sucking in the entire town was awesome.
Ace's Fire Cross looks cool. Ace was awesome. I really hope he is alive. :cwy:
Can't wait for the day we see this fight animated. Its gonna be awesome.
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BB said that he can suck up light, so how would that be his weakness?????
Remember old Croc…....Thats how.....
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BB cannot become his element.
He can be hit then.
BB can be beat.
Basically the point I'm trying to make. Until then, though. He's clearly extremely powerful.
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So lemme get this straight
Logia - become, control, create
BB's Logia - Can't become darkness, but can control and create it.
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BB can become darkness, but attacks don't pass throught him like other logia. He takes the hit, but as a tradeoff can deal back double damage.
Which is it?
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BB cant change to his element thats why he can be hit…... im wondering where this light is his weakness came from????
Why would you need Light when you can already hit him.
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Compared to the other high level fights in manga this one was pretty refreshing. Not too long and to the point. I like that.
But this bit with Blackbeard being hit doesn't make sense to me. Why didn't he absorb Ace's 'fireflies' like he did with everything else? If he has to get hit in order to absorb attacks that giant fireball would have killed him. Maybe steven's translation will clear things up. -
BB cant change to his element thats why he can be hit…... im wondering where this light is his weakness came from????
Why would you need Light when you can already hit him.
I think you misunderstand what I'm trying to say. I'm saying the reason why he can be hit is that Light is everywhere where he fights (unless it's some sort of extremely dark cave). Because he's surrounded by the stuff, he is saturated in light so that he cannot become his element, and that is why he can be hit. Kind of like how Croc was saturated in water.
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I feel bad for Ace… but this is the fate on what happens to the D.'s... also a great chapter. And it makes me want to join the BB Nakama since I knew BB was a total Bad Ass! (Pardon my Language.)
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BB can become darkness, but attacks don't pass throught him like other logia. He takes the hit, but as a tradeoff can deal back double damage.
Actually, where did the 'he can deal back double damage' thing come from? There's nothing mentioned about that in the script.
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@Le:
I think you misunderstand what I'm trying to say. I'm saying the reason why he can be hit is that Light is everywhere where he fights (unless it's some sort of extremely dark cave). Because he's surrounded by the stuff, he is saturated in light so that he cannot become his element, and that is why he can be hit. Kind of like how Croc was saturated in water.
Oh I see what your saying.
I always thought BB could not become his element b/c his 2nd abilty stops him just like it stops other Logias.
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That was in the fake spoiler. Gaara, remember. The spoiler that came with the fake pics was fake too.
I always thought BB could not become his element b/c his 2nd abilty stops him just like it stops other Logias.
Not quite sure I see what you're saying. I don't see how other Logias were stopped from becoming their element just because they use their other abilities. Take Enel for example. He became his element in god form and was producing vasts amount of electricity at the same time.
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You are right, don't know what I was thinking. But still, BB does deal the same damage back, right? Or did I confuse that too.
Let's see:
"Blackbeard: Ha….ha…I told you…!! The darkness sucks in everything from bullets to blades to punches to fire to lightning…!! I can’t just let attacks go by like you all. I take damage just as a normal human or more, but in taking that risk I gain something!! There are things I can suck in!!!"
He definitely gains something tho. Not the double damage I though. I'm always confusing myself.
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Yeah, I'm confused too.
He takes damage. But why? -
The Revolutionary/Pirates War will start and Dragon will come to revenge Ace and will kill BB
That's what is going to happen!
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Gaara, we actually haven't seen Blackbeard send back attacks. I think the only thing he spit out was the town with his "liberation" move.
Yeah, I'm confused too.
He takes damage. But why?As I theorized earlier, it's because light is most likely the weakness of darkness. And on islands that can receive the sun, there's light everywhere.
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Damn Oda, think they should give him like a 40 page chapter limit cuz the end just makes you want more. But Black Beard is pretty much a brute though what the hell happens if his head gets cut off cuz he said blades effect him. Could Zoro just cut of his head and be done with it? Mean how do you double back your head being cut off?
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I don't know if this has been said already, but this fight is for sure a flashback, all of them before have had the shading in between the panels. Now with that said, this is the greatest chapter ever in One Piece that the strawhats don't appear in. No question about it.
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Not quite sure I see what you're saying. I don't see how other Logias were stopped from becoming their element just because they use their other abilities.
Im talking about Blackbeards Power to stop DF user abilities, that power must be stoping him from being able to become his element.
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Blackbeard: Ha….ha…I told you…!! The darkness sucks in everything from bullets to blades to blunt attacks to fire to lightning…!! I can’t just let attacks go by like you all. I take damage just as a normal human or more, but in taking that risk I gain something!! The power to suck things in!!
From this translation it seems to me that Blackbeard does have the option of entirely becoming his logia and avoiding attacks.
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Im talking about Blackbeards Power to stop DF user abilities, that power must be stoping him from being able to become his element.
Ah, I see. I thought that actually meant using any of their abilities of their df, but I'll leave that up to interpretation.
From this translation it seems to me that Blackbeard does have the option of entirely becoming his logia and avoiding attacks.
I'm not quite sure. It seems to say he will always be able to take damage to me.
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@Kma: That's exactly what I was thinking. He seems to have that option and does indeed gain something (or so BB says).
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I think the issue is more of whether or not he's actively sucking things in or not. As in the chapter, Ace caught him off guard while being sucked toward Black Beard the second time (when he threw those two flame lances into him) and managed to score a hit on him. But later in the chapter when he Ace does his fire cross attack, he does it head on to Black Beard so Black Beard looks confident in absorbing his attack (he just smiles at Ace when Ace uses that attack head on). So my conclusion would be that Black Beard can absorb anything, it's just that he has to actively be absorbing for it to happen.
