We all know they tied in a fight but we don't know they're condition after the fight. what if both Whitebeard and Roger seriously hurt each other and were very vulnerable after the fight? since Roger was considered the pirate king perhaps the world goverment went after him and then captured Roger in a weakened state. After this perhaps Whitebeard hid himself from the world goverment so he wouldn't be captured either. Whitebeard now needs all that medical equipment to keep on going so you know the wounds he got from Roger were very serious. if he tied with Roger then we can assume Roger was also heavily damaged after the fight. the one who probably captured Roger in his weakened state was Sengoku since thats who Whitebeard mentioned when talking about the past.
Could the Whitebeard/Roger fight be the reason Roger was captured?
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Wasn't it Garp who captured Roger in the end, or am I missing something? I remember them clearly referring to him as "the man who cornered the Pirate King".
Other than that, that sounds plausible, although I would say that most likely Whitebeard's injuries were much more severe, as he's still recovering from them twenty years later. If his wounds are bad enough that he needs all that medical equipment even now, imagine how bad they were at the time they were inflicted? If Roger had that kind of wound, he would probably not be able to make the voyage to Raftel.
Though that does make sense, if Roger were badly wounded when he was captured, he would be more likely to think "hey, I have everything in the world, and I'm gonna die anyway, why the hell should I resist execution? :D"
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i don't think it was ever mentioned when the fight took place so it might of been after roger had already been at raftel.
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=) i think
roger tried to protect his nakama and he got captured and cornered…
i could not imagine how bloody the battles in the past in OP. raining cannon balls, ice all over, clouds are being sliced by fighting people, thousands of ships.... we dont even know Sengoku and Roger's abilities are.
very.. uhmm.. WAR..
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This statement makes me support this theory:
Whitebeard: Yeah…
It ain't too bad...
...Roger... Garp... Sengoku...
The men who knew how the seas used to be back then have certainly dropped in number.Why does Whitebeard mention Roger, Garp, and Sengoku in the same sentence unless all 4 men are affiliated?
Thus, here's a possibility:
Sengoku: Aokiji, became fleet admiral
Garp: Akainu, Semi-retired and became Vice-admiral
Roger: Kizaru, betrayed the Marines and became Pirate King. -
Sengoku: Aokiji, became fleet admiral
Garp: Akainu, Semi-retired and became Vice-admiral
Roger: Kizaru, betrayed the Marines and became Pirate King.I kinda like that theory. It is certainly new.
But somehow I can't see Pirate King to be ex-marine. Could be true, tough. -
mabye he just used them to gain power.. Much like BB is doing. He wants to be a shicibukai but also says that He will be the pirate king
And I think WB was just naming off the big guys of there time..
I dont think that roger would be a marine, but who knows..
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mabye he just used them to gain power.. Much like BB is doing. He wants to be a shicibukai but also says that He will be the pirate king
And I think WB was just naming off the big guys of there time..
I dont think that roger would be a marine, but who knows..
Uh, Garp and Sengoku and ESPECIALLY Roger were not bugs. Or, did you mean he intentionally left out the bugs…?
Yeah, this theory is plausible, but WB isn't that smart IMHO.
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I dont know what you mean by them being bugs.. Im saying that when WB said the only ones from the seas back then were Garp, Roger, Sengoku.. That he was naming the bigger figures of that time..
Mabye Roger was in fact a Marine, and found out the corruption behind it and left to be a Pirate, or something like that..
It said the whitebeard was the only one to tie him in a fight, and WB seems pretty honorable so I dont see him tricking roger so that he would be caught..
I think that Roger either jstu got totally cornered by a large group of Marines, or he turned himself in for varying reasons -
@Fire Fist:
This statement makes me support this theory:
Whitebeard: Yeah…
It ain't too bad...
...Roger... Garp... Sengoku...
The men who knew how the seas used to be back then have certainly dropped in number.Why does Whitebeard mention Roger, Garp, and Sengoku in the same sentence unless all 4 men are affiliated?
Thus, here's a possibility:
Sengoku: Aokiji, became fleet admiral
Garp: Akainu, Semi-retired and became Vice-admiral
Roger: Kizaru, betrayed the Marines and became Pirate King.I really don't think Roger could have been an ex-Marine, after all, Buggy and Shanks were on his PIRATE crew from a young age. Perhaps he could have been before that, but I'd say it's highly unlikely.
It seems to me that Whitebeard is mentioning the big names on the seas at the time, although it's likely that they all have a connection to each other, I don't think it's through the Marines.
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I think that Roger made a deal with the government, by turning himself in, they wouldn't capture or kill Roger's nakama. Sounds like a righteous way to end your life as the Pirate King.
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I think that Garp made it impossible for Roger to run and that Sengoku is the one who actually captured him, assuming he didn't give up willingly.
It seems as though Oda was being rather specific when he said "Cornered" instead of "Captured", just my opinion anyway.
More than likely, after Garp "cornered" Roger, the man gave up either out of respect for Garp's ability to corner him or for concern of his crew.
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I will say that I think that Sengoku was the last Aokiji, and Garp being the least Akainu.. But I dont think that The Pirate King would have to have used the marines just to gain rank.. I mean if Whitebeard is the Strongest Man now, and Roger was a little bit above him, it means that Roger probably just came through that ranks..
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:wassat: Why the hell would Garp get demoted? Thats a stupid belief… he was Roger's marine rival; if anything Garp would've gotten promoted to VA from the Rank of say.. Captain or Commodore.
Garp was Roger's Smoker. This parallel has been agreed upon many times in many theories. Roger => Luffy as Garp => Smoker. The circumstances may have changed in 22+ years, but the positions are still the same.
Whitebeard and Roger's crew had fought many times, so its possible that both men were so exhausted from their battles that the Marines were able to beat Roger. Whitebeard possibly and indirectly caused Roger to get captured.
This is probably going to be revealed soon anyways...
Patience people of APF.One Piece Crew Pairings: Luffy x Nami, Franky x Robin, Zoro x Sanji (YES I'm SERIOUS!)
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@Sogeking:
:wassat: Why the hell would Garp get demoted? Thats a stupid belief… he was Roger's marine rival; if anything Garp would've gotten promoted to VA from the Rank of say.. Captain or Commodore.
Look at his hat, look at his ship. You tell me he's not the former Red Dog.
He didn't get "Demoted". He probably semi-retired and gave the title to Sakazuki. Garp was not Roger's Coby. Coby never cornered Luffy. That's just silly. People in the military will often settle for a lower rank when they semi-retire. It gives them less to worry about.
Whitebeard and Roger's crew had fought many times, so its possible that both men were so exhausted from their battles that the Marines were able to beat Roger. Whitebeard possibly and indirectly caused Roger to get captured.
This is probably going to be revealed soon anyways…
Patience people of APF.It's possible this happened. No argument here.
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@Mr.:
I think that Roger made a deal with the government, by turning himself in, they wouldn't capture or kill Roger's nakama. Sounds like a righteous way to end your life as the Pirate King.
that is something i believed but i'm starting to doubt it. would roger's nakama really let something like that happen? if luffy told zoro that he was going to sacrifice himself so the world government would leave him alone then zoro would of probably smacked luffy as well as everybody in the crew. there's a reason i think we don't see many of roger old crewmates around and that is because they probably died in the final battle with the world government. part of the reason for roger being defeated may of been because he was still hurt from the fight with whitebeard. at the end roger probably decided to just let the world government execute him because all of his closest friends were already dead so there was no reasons to keep on fighting. i can see roger telling the apprentices like shanks and buggy to not try and break him out because he was alright with everything ending there since he had already accomplished everything he wanted and he probably didn't want them to get killed since they still had a future. think about it would luffy really want to continue his adventure if all of his crew was already dead?
