Eh what happened to J-rev?!
Ha, I didn't even watch it, they kept the theme song, which was enough to make me watch Whose Line
Eh what happened to J-rev?!
Ha, I didn't even watch it, they kept the theme song, which was enough to make me watch Whose Line
Japanese animation is still insanely popular. And as far as I'm concerned, the entire freaking country is still under a massive product attack from Japan at all angles.
Did any of you know the Japanese government is now going to promote animation as a means of making money abroad. That's how massive it is.
Yes, this is true. The local newspapers have been running a lot of articles on how popular anime and Japanese culture in general is becoming in the US.
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It was down, but now, our badass sanctuary is up once more.
As long as comics still get respect I'm good.
But yeah, Cartoon Network has seriously gone downhill in the past few years (apart from Adult Swim). They used to show awesome shows like Batman, 2 Stupid Dogs, Freakazoid!, and a ton of Looney Tunes/Hanna Barbera classics. Now it's all new garbage, it's amazing to see how America hardly puts any real effort into their animation anymore. Also, half of CN's schedule seems to be leftover crap from Kids WB! and other stations (such as Atomic Betty and Totally Spies).And I love anime, but CN has been overdoing it in my opinion. It'd be nice to see some American shows every once and a while (one that DOESN'T shamelessly copy the Japanese style, aka Teen Titans and Totally Spies)
Don't be hard on teen titans, anime copy? yes. but as far as they go, its a good one.
I don't mind if American toons copy anime style. You know the saying, imitiation is the sincerest form of flattery. In the early days of Japanese animation, many of the forefathers took extensive notes from American animation. ;) And I do really like Teen Titans. It's a good show. I think it's a good mixture of anime style and WB action stuff (like Justice League). I hate Totally Spies, though.
Teen Titans is pure garbage. The first time I saw the commercial for it on the WB I was like "Holy God…what the fuck?!" then proceeded to bang my head against a wall several times.
I don't have to watch it, but I blame that show for CN's turn into pure garbage. Ever since it came on, CN has gotten crappier and crappier and crappier until now. Now when Toonami has shows like Teen Titans and The Batman on it....you know it's crap
the Batman is crap, but how can you hate teen titans?????? and even if you don't like it, can you name one fake american attempt at anime better than it????
I love Teen Titans. O_o. I was initially a little put off by the trying-to-seem-Japanese thing, but as I watched it more, I realized it was a lot more than that, and I think it's pretty good for an American cartoon, especially compared to everything else we've got now.
(Just realized how off-topic this is getting, sorry x_x.; )
I also now c how of topic this is, so I well state my thoughts, after seeing that toonami did not unedit ANYTHING my hopes have been shattered. it well do better than 4kids for the reasons that have already been listed, better advertising, a better time slot, ect…. , but it is still going to do pretty bad, and when I have some free time and am really board I believe I well email 4kids and cartoonnetwork and ask them to read this forum. -_-
That's messed up logic.
"I like it because it's the best we can get"
That's like you asking me for a sweet lollipop and I give you one covered in dog crap. Would you still take it because it's the best I have?
Teen Titans is pure garbage. The first time I saw the commercial for it on the WB I was like "Holy God…what the fuck?!" then proceeded to bang my head against a wall several times.
:blink: Guess you haven't watched too much of it then. I haven't missed a single episode. It's a well-written, well-animated, and fun show to watch. It might not be your thing, but it certainly isn't garbage. You remind me of the people I know who say "oh, I saw this show called One Piece with really ugly art and a stupid rubber kid and a goofy looking guy with a a long nose and was like "this sucks!" :rolleyes:
If it flops on Toonami, 4Kids will lose interest in it. They're only interested if it'll make them some money…so who knows, maybe it might actually get picked up by a GOOD company? Something to look forward to...so...DON'T WATCH IT ON TOONAMI IF YOU WANT IT TO HAPPEN! :)
Still…copying STYLE is wrong. I'm not doubting the shows substance, but from an artistic point, I give no respect.
Even it the Toonami OnePiece is edited, it might go on well, younger kids aren't up at 10:00 and older viewer will be watching it. I was hoping that nothing will be edit much since it on toonami. They might go to the Don Krieg arc
(sigh) going back to teen titans, that really is a good show I understand what you are saying zephos, but by coppying they made a good show, and also, Cornwiggle, I well never understandstand how you can think teen titans is "CRAP" !
Even it the Toonami OnePiece is edited, it might go on well, younger kids aren't up at 10:00 and older viewer will be watching it. I was hoping that nothing will be edit much since it on toonami. They might go to the Don Krieg arc
One thing. The Toonami version is the same as the one produced for Saturday morning. Older Viewers will see right though 4Kid's shit job, and be turned off.
Prime example. A good friend was talking to me last night. The only exposure to OP he has had is my copy of GB Rush. He spoke to be about it, and he told me the Toonami version sucked.
Originally posted by KatanaJon@Apr 28 2005, 01:03 PM
**> Even it the Toonami OnePiece is edited, it might go on well, younger kids aren't up at 10:00 and older viewer will be watching it. I was hoping that nothing will be edit much since it on toonami. They might go to the Don Krieg arcOne thing. The Toonami version is the same as the one produced for Saturday morning. Older Viewers will see right though 4Kid's shit job, and be turned off.
Prime example. A good friend was talking to me last night. The only exposure to OP he has had is my copy of GB Rush. He spoke to be about it, and he told me the Toonami version sucked.
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I was about to say that. Toonami USED to be for OLDER kids, but now it is EXACTLY like the Saturday morning blocks…just at night.
Originally posted by cornwiggle
Still…copying STYLE is wrong. I'm not doubting the shows substance, but from an artistic point, I give no respect.
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That's ridiculous, though. With that line of thinking, you should not give hardly any anime/manga any respect because they all have similar style. Japanese artists are influenced by other Japanese artists. Why is it bad for an American artist to do the same? Plus, the style of Teen Titans isn't totally a copy of anime. It has it's own unique look.
_Originally posted by Cornwiggle+Apr 28 2005, 02:35 PM–>QUOTE(Cornwiggle @ Apr 28 2005, 02:35 PM)so who knows, maybe it might actually get picked up by a GOOD company?
Almost certainly not; such a thing is completely unprecedented and would cost far more that most companies would say One Piece is worth considering its track record of failure. Once again, they'd have to reimburse 4Kids for whatever One Piece cost them on top of whatever it costs to redo the series, that's quite a bit of money. Since 4Kids was top bidder for the series originally, there's no reason to think that another company would want to pay more for it after it's become recognized as a failure.
Not to mention the fact that 4Kids would still control the episodes that they have already dubbed, so whoever gets it could not release a new edit on DVD without paying a hefty portion of the profits to 4Kids until those rights lapse, if they're even allowed to redub those same episodes. Funimation redubbed the first episodes of Dragon Ball, but they owned the property from the start and still were unable to release DVDs thanks to a licensing deal signed with Kidmark almost a decade earlier.
I don't see why people continue to think this way when nothing supports that conclusion. Of course, I couldn't figure out why people thought that Toonami would have a different version of the dub right out of the gate either. If One Piece becomes popular, I could see a new edit of it popping up on Toonami, but not until then.
@Apr 28 2005, 03:13 PM
Japanese artists are influenced by other Japanese artists._
Not to mention American artists. Toriyama had quite a few references to Superman in his work, the guy even said that 101 Dalmatians was one of his earliest inspirations. And Oda's pretty obviously influenced by Western ideas and styles; I seem to recall it being criticized before for looking "too Western" whatever the hell that means.
I don't see why people continue to think this way when nothing supports that conclusion. Of course, I couldn't figure out why people thought that Toonami would have a different version of the dub right out of the gate either. If One Piece becomes popular, I could see a new edit of it popping up on Toonami, but not until then.
I think any chance of OP redeeming itself is going to be destroyed once Naruto comes out. It might be too late now.
We have hope, and if what you say is true, 4kids might sell it just to get SOME profit from the show, because it wouldn't be helping them at all just sitting there.
Originally posted by anime606@Apr 28 2005, 03:31 PM
We have hope, and if what you say is true, 4kids might sell it just to get SOME profit from the show, because it wouldn't be helping them at all just sitting there.
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4Kids would have to be in serious need of cash for them to sell the rights to it for less than what the series cost them in the first place. I don't think One Piece is anywhere near being a spectacular enough failure for that to be the case; it's moderately successful. The television ratings are okayish, but not great. So it's not like the series is anywhere near the failure on American television that some people here want it to be for whatever reason.
About the only way 4Kids would willingly ditch it is if the series began to cost more than it generated and most likely they'd still ask for enough money to make the series profitable even if that were the case. There's no reason for them to just accept their loss, take what they can get from it, and move on; that's what a business does when a mistake threatens to cripple their company if they continue down the same path, like New Coke or Selectavision.
I doubt 4Kids is spending enough money on it for them to be losing money on each episode; actually, I'd be surprised if they're losing money on any episode seeing as how they're getting money for two different networks to air One Piece. If they were actually animating each show, I could see it, but not simply editing and dubbing a show that was already made. The burden of paying production costs falls on Toei, not 4Kids.
Teen Titans is pure garbage.
I totally agree. Although it's low on the list of programs that SUCK on CN these days, it's up there.
For that matter (and I know I'm gonna get everyone riled up but it's just an opinion so don't get weird) all superhero cartooons SINCE Batman the Animated Series have sucked exponentially worse.
What was it that only made that one incarnation so sweet? I dunno. All I know is it didn't try to be cool yet is still badass. You know how you used to love Ninja Turtles? Then you see the introduction, and think that it WAS as badass as you remember? Then the show starts, and you want to put a bulet through your brain? Batman the Animated Series isn't like that at all.
And while ripping on Cartoon Network, what the hell happened? It was so awesome! Granted I barely watched since high school, but in that interim it's gone from sweet to being pure garbage whenever I turn it on. And someone already did mention this but
WHAT THE HELL DID THEY STOP FREAKAZOID FOR!!!!!??????
OH! AND THIS HIT ME DURING CLASS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!
Would somebody please tell me how Fox's Saturday lineup went from being the most badass, funniest, outrageous and purely fantastic lineup to WINX CLUB without be noticing????? WHAT DID I MISS????
Tazmania
X-Men
The Tick
Batman the Animated Series
EEK THE CAT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD
Tiny Toons
Bobby's World
Animaniacs (before WB remember?)
the list goes on and on. What the hell happened!???!!!???
I really don't understand what is wrong with teen titans. Its pretty good to me, unless you just haven't seen many episdoes of it…. it should be good. I would suggest you give it another chance,but if you still don't like it, I gues I can't change your opiniun.....and I thought Justice legua unlimited was decent.
Teen Titans? Well to begin with the name is just funny. That would be cool if they were all silent badasses that ripped your throat out if your eyelash was bent the wrong way but they're not. It's like a program filled with Jason Mewes. An army of perfectly stereotypical bantering characters that will each face obvious predicaments that will come to obvious resolutions. Like the robot boy facing the problem of not being himself or not being strong enough. Awwwwww
…sounds like something out of a self-help booklet nods to Ted Woosley
Now compare that to Batman the Animated Series:
Dark as hell
Blood
No pathetic catchy lines from the hero, only the classic villains
Much ass being kicked by one normal human being
Interesting story mixing reality and fiction more often than not
Harley
Sweet and simple AMERICAN character designs for AMERICAN super heroes
A kickass intro (I love Puffy but only up until Spike)
NOT trying to be cool or use phrases kids use
No kids with teen angst (Robin was a BMF)
Ninja's with death touch
Harley
Compared to Teen Titans which from the title is the antithesis.
Teen Titans compared to animated batman :
Teen Titans is funnier
has much better animation
better character design
is NOT LIKE AN AMERICAN SHOW
thoose reasons are good enough for me to like it, and its far better than the old batman seiries, though to be honest, I did enjoy the old batman animated series.
Originally posted by CosmicDebris+Apr 28 2005, 02:13 PM–>QUOTE(CosmicDebris @ Apr 28 2005, 02:13 PM)
**Teen Titans is funnier
has much better animation
better character design
is NOT LIKE AN AMERICAN SHOW**
Now here's where we just differ in opinion and I respect any opinion BUT for the record:
I don't want my super heroes to be funny. I want them to bitch-slap evil. I didn't watch Batman to laugh (even though The Joker's lines are f'ing fantastic and some of the humor is almost on a double entant level of Robots or Incredibles) I watched Batman because I wanted to see him kick bad people's asses. Which he did quite well without wasting time or attempting to be 'funny'. Honestly, when do you try to be funny when you're fighting for life or death?
Teen Titans has better animation so it is better? So I guess that means Sazae-san is a shytty Japanese animation. BTW, ever check the weekly animation ratings from Japan. See if you can find 'Sazae-san somewhere on there (Hint: Look for Number 1 or 2)
Again, pure opinion, but Batman the Animated Adventure's character designs were genius. So simple and conveyed everything. The Joker in particular was AMAZING.
Teen Titans is EXACTLY like an American show. It's loud, obnoxious, tries to use 'cool' vocabulary, has a HUGE cel count. In fact, so many people say it's like a Japanese animation ripoff but aside from Star-something's eyes, I don't see it. Still looks like the same WB New Batman animation style to me. Even the themes for 'goofy' episodes are HIGHLY American.
Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Apr 28 2005, 03:19 PM
Tazmania
X-Men
The Tick
Batman the Animated Series
EEK THE CAT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD
Tiny Toons
Bobby's World
Animaniacs (before WB remember?)
the list goes on and on. What the hell happened!???!!!???
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Yes! 1991 - 1996 were the greatest years for Saturday morning cartoons, no doubt about it.
To me, it's just a line-up problem these days. The 4Kids block has like, 2 or 3 decent shows, and WB only has Jackie Chan (if they still do). Toonami is okay, but it comes on at night.
I suppose your right ,its all just opiniun….
Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Apr 28 2005, 03:19 PM
WHAT THE HELL DID THEY STOP FREAKAZOID FOR!!!!!??????
Yes, that will always be one of the worst crimes of humanity, cancelling Freakazoid. Damn it, that show was damn entertaining, a whole lot more than newer shows. I loved the jokes, especially the parody of "Cops" which was called "Nasty Man".
Shows today just aren't the same. Animaniacs, Eek, Freakazoid, etc., those were the days.
Eek was amazing. It's prolly politically incorrect for about a hundred reasons these days. I pray for a DVD release.
Speaking of Eek, whatever happened to that "Klutter" thing?
Also, what was the point of moving Toonami to night? Why not just bring back that morning block? It only failed because all they showed was DBZ. In the morning the only competition they'd have is WB (crap). With One Piece, JLA, Teen Titans (well, some like it…), Megas, and DBGT, they could've ruled the 8 - 10:30am time period.
there gt and there onepiece suck, they just would have failed with those shows, but other than that, your right, except for the little girl viewers who wouldn't be into the action.
God, Freakazoid was the absolute best. I still sing the Huntsman theme all the time… never been able to get it out of my head.
(even though The Joker's lines are f'ing fantastic and some of the humor is almost on a double entant level of Robots or Incredibles)
Yes, Mark Hamill was an AMAZING Joker, he's probably the only one with a voice who could do him justice. I always looked forward to episodes with the Joker, they were so entertaining, yet pretty badass. Hamill's delivery perfectly captured his hilarity, his insanity, and his downright sadistic nature. The Joker is probably my alltime favorite villain, so I can say that the Animated Series pretty much did him perfectly.
Now The Joker is a hip hop GANGSTA who uses kung fu. ugh.
And the Teen Titans ripping off anime thing, they constantly use anime-esque super deformed stuff and sweetdrops, etc. A better example of an American show ripping off Japanese style would be Totally Spies.
Freakazoid was my absolute favorite. I used to have an MP3 of the Huntsman theme…
Shit? Freakazoid? Man I LOVED that show so much it was scary. Heh I think I could still sing the themesong.
Ha, I ALWAYS tried to like type the Freak code on my computer…eh never worked :(
I had that Huntsman mp3 on a computer at school. XD I don't know if it's still there.
HOw did we get so very very off topic????
_Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2+Apr 28 2005, 04:36 PM–>QUOTE(omae no kaasan v.2 @ Apr 28 2005, 04:36 PM)Now compare that to Batman the Animated Series:
Dark as hell
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- An opening where a villain claws his way back up from Hell
- A scene where the villain reintroduces himself to the Titans and promptly kicks the entire team's ass
- A scene where the villain straightens his obviously broken neck after Robin kicks him
- A scene where characters take refuge in a church, which is promptly destroyed when the villain shows up
- A scene where the villain shows Raven the destroyed remnants of the city, rips most of her clothes off, and throws her off a building
- Ending where the villain talks with his demonic lord via an occult design on the ground
wasn't dark?
Sure, the series as a whole has a more happy-go-lucky attitude than Batman:TAS, but that series was not as dark as, say, Batman Beyond.
@Apr 28 2005, 05:10 PM
Speaking of Eek, whatever happened to that "Klutter" thing?_
_That was kind of where the show went off track for me; the Thunder Lizards and Klutter were just filler that was taking away airtime that should have been given to Sharky the Shark-Dog.
In the morning the only competition they'd have is WB (crap).
There's your answer right there.
That's also the reason that Cartoon Network abruptly stopped showing Batman:TAS/Superman:TAS/classic superhero cartoons (I can't recall that mini-blocks name) right before Toonami. When Cartoon Network did that, WB executives squealed in panic because it was killing their afternoon block.
With One Piece, JLA, Teen Titans (well, some like it…), Megas, and DBGT, they could've ruled the 8 - 10:30am time period.
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That's the problem with being part of a supermegaconglomeration, you have to compete with yourselves sometimes. The execs chose to support the WB rather than Cartoon Network, in large part because the guy who used to be in charge of the television department had put a lot of money into the WB (he was also the genius who was behind WGN dropping the WB on their national feed, which neither WGN or the WB has ever really recovered from).
If Turner's people were still be in charge and the two organizations had never merged, you can be damn sure that Cartoon Network would have went out of their way to dominate Saturday mornings._
Freakazoid = Steven Spielburg's greatest masterpiece
Teen Titans switches from "GOOFY HAPPY FUNTIME" to "OMG DRAMATIC" WAAAAYYY too much to be taken seriously at all, in my opinion.
Teen Titans dark?!
Give it up already, were talking pure unadulterated noir with Batman.
**An opening where a villain claws his way back up from Hell
A scene where the villain reintroduces himself to the Titans and promptly kicks the entire team's ass
A scene where the villain straightens his obviously broken neck after Robin kicks him
A scene where characters take refuge in a church, which is promptly destroyed when the villain shows up
A scene where the villain shows Raven the destroyed remnants of the city, rips most of her clothes off, and throws her off a building
Ending where the villain talks with his demonic lord via an occult design on the ground**
Did they actually say Hell? If so, I'd give them credit for something.
A scene with a villain kicking ass is standard. If they didn't have that then I'd have to blatantly bash the show.
Again with the broken neck. If he wasn't meant to die from a broken neck then it's obviously not violent. Notice how voilence is ok, just so long as nothing sentient or human dies horribly.
Church blowing up? Christ, how many churches blew up in Batman? Remember the episode that actually had Batman visiting the priest. GOD BATMAN WAS AWESOME! You're making me remember the sweet stuff.
But not all her clothes right? Because that wouldn't be noir, it'd be kiddy porn animation.
How about using the Lazarus pits and the king of unstoppable bastards, Raj. There was also an occult episode of Batman, not to mention the Scarecrows methods which often included that stuff.
There's nothing wrong with Teen Titans or liking it, but it is a lame kids show compared to the badass MOFO of a kid's show Batman the Animated Series was.
…....and to a somewhat lesser extent Gargoyles....but Batman still kicked it's ass.
IMHO Freakzoid's greatest achievement and addition to history is Boron.
I AM BOROOOOOOON
God damn. I STILL laugh when I hear it.
They didn't say it was hell, I didn't see that implied anywhere. He fell into a volcano in a previous episode, and he was shown bursting out from underground at the beginning, now apparently the servant of some demonic overlord.
God, Ra's Al Ghul was a badass. I'd say he's one of Batman's best villains…. next to the Joker, of course.
They didn't say it was hell, I didn't see that implied anywhere. He fell into a volcano in a previous episode, and he was shown bursting out from underground at the beginning, now apparently the servant of some demonic overlord.
If they said Hell that would have been cool, but yet somewhat odd. Batman had that just beyond reality sense of reality. I don't recall anything whacked out too much cept for the Lazarus Pits.
Man, Batman was so awesome. I remember some episodes particularly creeping the hell out of me when I was a kid(I specifically remember the Man-Bat and Werewolf episodes doing that to me).
And in The Laughing Fish, when "Batman" got bit by the infected cat and started laughing himself to death… god.
Coincidentally, I found an old VHS tape recently of Batman: TAS. Titled "The Joker," it had two episodes featuring the Clown Prince: Christmas with the Joker and The Laughing Fish. Awesome.
And in The Laughing Fish, when "Batman" got bit by the infected cat and started laughing himself to death… god.
OH YEAH!!!!!!!! THAT FISH WAS CRAAAAAAAAAAZY!!!!!!!!!!
Dude, that episode where he woke up in perfect world but in the end it was Mad Hatter, that was sweeeeeeeeet.
Um yeah, One Piece rules. Yay, Toonami, make OP sell. woohoo
Teen Titans switches from "GOOFY HAPPY FUNTIME" to "OMG DRAMATIC" WAAAAYYY too much to be taken seriously at all, in my opinion.
Um, One Piece does it more. :P All this comparing of shows is getting silly. I don't see why whether or not a character says Hell or a church blows up decides the quality of a show. I like Teen Titans. I love One Piece. I loved The Tick, Batman, Freakazoid and Eek the Cat too. I've encountered people through the years who hated one or more of these. I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I don't call a show "garbage" just because I don't like it. Now, something like Beast Machines where the writers decided to take the liberty of changing canon Transformers history and say that Cybertron was originally organic and in the end turn Cybertron into this big flowery fairy land planet - THAT'S garbage. :P
Or to get back on topic, turning spikes into poisonous suction cups, or making a an inanimate chakram appear to have a mind of it's own and attack the person who's holding it, that's garbage. :D
Eh…so anyone know when and where they will post the ratings for One Piece on Toonami?