My goodness people! I never thought that this would continue on like this! This is absolutely crazy! We've gone from Mihawk's stronger than Shanks, to Shanks stronger to Mihawk, to Shanks isn't a swordsman, to Shanks ate a DF, to Don Krieg and crew weren't afraid of Mihawk!
Shanks uses a sword, does that automatically makes Mihawk stronger?
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@Fire Fist:
Dude, they weren't intimidated. They were just surprised he showed up.
Doflamingo: …well, looky here...!!
The last man I expected to see has shown up.Doflamingo isn't intimidated, he's making an observation.
The way they reacted it was more than suprise, Mihawk literally pressed pause on the tv remote the expressions on their faces and the way they adressed him smells like fear to me.
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The way they reacted it was more than suprise, Mihawk literally pressed pause on the tv remote the expressions on their faces and the way they adressed him smells like fear to me.
Let me see…
Kuma? Nope.
Latiffe? Nope.
Doflamingo? Nope.
Sengoku? Nope. They were surprised. -
Clearly it was seen like stated by Angel emfrbl that we all saw Blackbeard swimming in the ocean after his raft was destroyed by the knockup stream..
Not only that but its not lik,e he killed Sachi and then just decided to hang out for a whle..
Can someone quote me on that note… I can't remember if I said that or not. A few posts back I said Shanks can swim.. that I remember. :blink:
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Like I said you have very good reasons for your assumptions but we still do NOT know the details of the fight that Blackbeard had with Shanks but It is most likely he did NOT have his devil fruit power and yet again it is a good possibility that he did have it.
Not the point. You said Mihawk uses intimidation. No one was intimidated by Mihawk..
Shanks Crew members were intimidated when he went to See shanks…..
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@AD-HD:
Let me see…
Kuma? Nope.
Latiffe? Nope.
Doflamingo? Nope.
Sengoku? Nope. They were surprised.Mihawks presence stopped a possible fight between sengoku and doflamingo, so yes Mihawks presence had an effect on the people in that room. I don't really care though feel free to see what you please.
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it is a good possibility that he did have it.
…How can you say that there is good possibility?
It is clearly stated that he got them recently, while he was Ace's subordinate.Mihawks presence stopped a possible fight between sengoku and doflamingo,
What fight? They were just chatting and surprised that someone like Mihawk entered.
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Shanks Crew members were intimidated when he went to See shanks…..
Only the newer/weaker memebrs. Shanks, Ben, Yasopp, Roux and severl others weren't.
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Yeah you right!!!
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@AD-HD:
What fight? They were just chatting and surprised that someone like Mihawk entered.
What fight?….....Donflamingo was threating to attack Sengoku with his DF power till Hawk Eyes walked into the room.
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Dont try to change your argument now, wait infact you cant even use that "JACK OF ALL TRADES" argument b/c I have proven you wrong.
Like I said be4, show me where it is stated that he fight with another weapon or post a pic up of Shanks holding another weapon besides his sword.
You cant, your just speculating.
Shanks is a powerful swordsman all facts (not speculation) point to him being a swordsman nothing else.Your argument is a bad one also, "since Oda didnt say hes a Jack of all trades that means he could be. Well hell, "Oda never said" Blackbeard is a Dentist so that means he could be one.
Your not ignoring me your ignoring ODA and facts out of the manga.
Ugh…
This is our first shot of Sanji fighting. Forgetting everything you know about Sanji, tell me how he fights?
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter43.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=896
Yeah, that's reeaaaal fancy footwork there.
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter114.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2248
And here.
We don't know what the hell Robin did. Telekinetic powers? Air pressure powers?
Yeah, you didn't know. You've seen Shanks do a total of ONE sword slash and read that he fought sometimes with Mihawk. You know nothing about his full abilities.
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"What fight?"….....Donflamingo was threating to attack Sengoku with his DF power till Hawk Eyes walked into the room.
No he wasn't. There wasn't that kind of vibes.
And that "attacking with DF-powers" thing was just somekind hand sign or something.
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceManga/onepiecechapter234.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4514
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@Fire Fist:
Ugh…
This is our first shot of Sanji fighting. Forgetting everything you know about Sanji, tell me how he fights?
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter43.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=896
Yeah, that's reeaaaal fancy footwork there.
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter114.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2248
And here.
We don't know what the hell Robin did. Telekinetic powers? Air pressure powers?
Yeah, you didn't know. You've seen Shanks do a total of ONE sword slash and read that he fought sometimes with Mihawk. You know nothing about his full abilities.
Yet every game has Shanks fighting… The flashbacks show him drawing a sword on two occusions as a apprentice pirate. There is offical artwork of him with a sword (drawn to fight or not). The data books, other info sources... Everything points to Shanks being a swordsman. Good grief FFA, just give this up, I'm fed up with this stupid argument. Its boring.
Plus every fighter sooner or later may be forced to use a wepaon they don't normally use. You gave a Sanji one already. Zoro has fought without his swords... Does that not mean he is a swordsman? :wassat:
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@AD-HD:
What fight? They were just chatting and surprised that someone like Mihawk entered.
As I remember sengoku said something about that it is troublesome to hear that the pirating business is doing so well..
Then Donflamingo lifts his hand, in the way that he was controling the guards, and says" Your pretty eager to pick a fight Sengoku"
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@Fire Fist:
Yeah, you didn't know. You've seen Shanks do a total of ONE sword slash and read that he fought sometimes with Mihawk. You know nothing about his full abilities.
Like I said be4 show me where it is stated that he is a "JACK OF ALL TRADES."
Or post up a pic of Shanks with another weapon besides his sword.
YOU CANT
And Im not going off of that "one bloody move" im going off of what it said in One Piece Red.
Even though that is a good piece of strong evidence, I dont need it to prove ya wrong.
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and says" Your pretty eager to pick a fight Sengoku"
No. He says:
Doflamingo: Hahaha!! Haha!! Gee, you're killin' me today. You're gonna make that Buddha cry, you know?!
Admiral Sengoku…!!And this is from stephen.
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Like I said you have very good reasons for your assumptions but we still do NOT know the details of the fight that Blackbeard had with Shanks but It is most likely he did NOT have his devil fruit power and yet again it is a good possibility that he did have it.
For the millionth time, why don't you get it?
Blackbeard is Ace's subordinate. Ace has been a pirate for 3 years. Blackbeard killed Satch within the last YEAR or so and took the devil fruit. Do you think Whitebeard would let him stick around on the crew for 20+ years after he killed someone? Hell no, Blackbeard ate the fruit and ran away.
Shanks had his scar when he was in Luffy's village. Therefore, he got it 10+ years ago, BEFORE BLACKBEARD HAD HIS FRUIT.
Shanks Crew members were intimidated when he went to See shanks…..
Shanks crew weren't intimidated, they were surprised.
And OIP, they were all surprised that Mihawk was there and it broke up the fight. It wasn't because they were scared. You think Mihawk cared if Doflamingo and Sengoku went at it?
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Yeah you right!!!
Just listen for once in your life.
-Shanks had the scar ten years ago.
-Ace left his village 3 years ago.
-Black-Beard was Ace's subordinate.Therefore, we don't NEED to provide the details of the fight. TEN years ago, Black-Beard gave Shanks the nasty scar he has now. Ace has very recently begun searching for his subordinate. Therefore, BB ate the DF very recently and didn't use it against Shanks.
What I pwned myself???????
A guy that use nothing but facts with his argument????
Ace has yet to show me where it is stated that he is a "JACK OF ALL TRADES".
All you guys got is speculation….....NO FACTS............ NOTHING.
Thats what I thought!
Uh, dude…? The hell...why did you intentionally cut out the rest of the post...? I never said you pwned yourself, I was talking to the adolescent. The only thing you had to do with it is because he was saying he was like you. And he is, he types in all caps and favors certain characters over others. Sorry if I offended you.
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@AD-HD:
No. He says:
And this is from stephen.
We've been through this before on another thread just look it up because I can't be bothered explaining it again.
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because I can't be bothered explaining it again.
Neither do I.
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@AD-HD:
No. He says:
And this is from stephen.
Your wrong so wrong.
spoon feed!
Donflamingo threats to attack Sengoku with his DF power till Hawk eyes walks in on them.
Donflamingo raises his hand in the same fashion he did to control them high rank navy guys.
Donflamingo also tells Sengoku that he is going to me the budhha cry today.
If you dont understand the joke let me use an example.
I can point a gun at you and say your going to make your mom cry today,
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@Fire Fist:
For the millionth time, why don't you get it?
Blackbeard is Ace's subordinate. Ace has been a pirate for 3 years. Blackbeard killed Satch within the last YEAR or so and took the devil fruit. Do you think Whitebeard would let him stick around on the crew for 20+ years after he killed someone? Hell no, Blackbeard ate the fruit and ran away.
Shanks had his scar when he was in Luffy's village. Therefore, he got it 10+ years ago, BEFORE BLACKBEARD HAD HIS FRUIT.
Shanks crew weren't intimidated, they were surprised.
I already said you were right about the Blackbeard point.
Also Shanks crew was intimidated and SCARRED from Hawkeye's appearence. You are in denial again.
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Your wrong so wrong.
spoon feed!
Donflamingo threats to attack Sengoku with his DF power till Hawk eyes walks in on them.
Donflamingo raises his hand in the same fashion he did to control them high rank navy guys.
Donflamingo also tells Sengoku that he is going to me the budhha cry today.
If you dont understand the joke let me use an example.
I can point a gun at you and say your going to make your mom cry today,
In this case Donflamingo's hand is the gun.Just forget it WHITEBEARD there is a whole topic about it that basically proves doflamingo was about to attack. Only extremely hard-headed people refused to believe it, this is just an attempt to change the subject
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Donflamingo threats to attack Sengoku with his DF power till Hawk eyes walks in on them.
For me it looked like some hand sign. I don't think that he was going to attack fleet admiral. Doflamingo isn't that stupid.
But hey. I won't discuss this thing again. Like ONEinchPUNCH said, there is whole another topic for that.
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And about the whole blackbeard thing.. He had to have of gotten the fruit within those 10 years because, Ace was on the WB pirates when BB killed him, and blackbeard killed him when he found out he had the fruit..
And just because Shanks has a sword and as been shown with his sword doesnt mean that its his only weapon or power.. We saw him swim 10 years ago, he could have easily have gotten a DF power by then..
WB as that spear, does that mean that he only uses it?
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@AD-HD:
For me it looked like some hand sign. I don't think that he was going to attack fleet admiral. Doflamingo isn't that stupid.
So I guess when he was controling the high ranked Navy guys it was not him doing that. Donflamingo was just showing off a cool "hand sigh", and not showing off his power.
Oda said "2 conficting groups of equal power."
and that topic proves ya wrong.
Oneinchpunch your right.
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Guys… Can we drop all arguments and go back to the orginal posts point of discussion in this topic. We're going around in circles because:
-Whitebeard and FirefistAce don't want to admit either is right...
-We're arguing over simple facts being right
-We're way off topic
-Some peeps are using the wrong facts or lack of facts
-No one will stop arguingDon't shoot me for just asking can we go back to the orginal question:
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Oda said "2 conficting groups of equal power.
So you are saying that Fleet Admiral Sengoku is same level than Doflamingo?
Don't be ridiculous.
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Guys… Can we drop all arguments and go back to the orginal posts point of discussion in this topic. We're going around in circles because:
-Whitebeard and FirefistAce don't want to admit either is right...Ace arleady said Im right, by changing his argument.
plus I have facts he has what??????
AD HD Im saying Donflamingo was threating to attack Sengoku, stop trying to put words in my mouth.
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plus I have fact he has what??????
More than you have. Show us that fact.
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@AD-HD:
More than you have. Show us that fact.
:shocked::happy::w00t:
Read the dang thread over!
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Guys… Can we drop all arguments and go back to the orginal posts point of discussion in this topic. We're going around in circles because:
-Whitebeard and FirefistAce don't want to admit either is right...
-We're arguing over simple facts being right
-We're way off topic
-Some peeps are using the wrong facts or lack of facts
-No one will stop arguingDon't shoot me for just asking can we go back to the orginal question:
Shanks uses a sword, does that automatically makes Mihawk stronger?I'm repeating this one more time…
Because it fell on deaf ears it seems... :cwy:
Really... I'd like to talk about the orginal posts, but so far I feel if I did that I'd drown in everyone one else's argument. I wouldn't ask if I didn't want to discuss the topic in the title.
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Ok, lets talk about original question.
I think that no. Mihawk could be more skillful at swordfight but in other terms than that, Shanks would kick his ass.
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:shocked::happy::w00t:
Read the dang thread over!
You have no proof that Shanks is stronger than Mihawk. Whatsoever. Just because Mihawk has a title doesn't mean shit. Maybe they don't recognize Shanks as the strongest swordsman. Maybe Shanks slipped or some shit, like Dorry did.
You don't know.
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@AD-HD:
Ok, lets talk about original question.
I think that no. Mihawk could be more skillful but in other terms than swordfight, Shanks would kick his ass.
bows down to you
Thank you!
I think they were both equal once. What I wanted to say is it kinda feels like Mihawk doesn't reguard Shanks as as skillful anymore. He queryed him too casual and stated he wouldn't fight a man with one arm. Mihawk was happy to see someone with a strong will such as Zoro. I don't think Mihawk either sees Shanks as a challenge anymore or that he thinks loosing an arm means he is weaker.
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BTW everyone: AD-HD Pirate is the best member on here. He dropped the crap to go back on topic!
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What I wanted to say is it kinda feels like Mihawk doesn't reguard Shanks as as skillful anymore. He queryed him too casual and stated he wouldn't fight a man with one arm.
That is exactly how I feel too. Finally somebody said it.
BTW everyone: AD-HD Pirate is the best member on here. He dropped the crap to go back on topic!
Thank you. :happy:
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@Fire Fist:
You have no proof that Shanks is stronger than Mihawk. Whatsoever. Just because Mihawk has a title doesn't mean shit. Maybe they don't recognize Shanks as the strongest swordsman. Maybe Shanks slipped or some shit, like Dorry did.
You don't know.Well Hawk Eyes has the title…..enough said, that I know.
Plus Oda said Hawk Eyes is above all swordsman in the world.
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Well Hawk Eyes has the title…..enough said, that I know.
Plus Oda said Hawk Eyes is above all swordsman in the world.
We know that.
This is where Fire-Fist keeps arguing (Don't worry, I won't be off-topic too long). Shanks uses a sword, therefore he is a swordsman. That is fact. It means Mihawk will always beat him in a fair, one-on-one duel. It doesn't mean sword-play is all Shanks has up his sleeve.
This is strongly supported by the fact Teach scarred Shanks w/o powers, Ace has a knife, Crocodile is skilled at hand-to-hand brawling as well as a poison hook, Sanji knows how to use knives to fight people (But he chooses not to) & so on. That is all he was saying.
What do I think…? With things like Aura being introduced through one of the most powerfull characters, it seems there is more to Red-Hair than meets the eye. The guy has frickin "healing-rum"; he must know something or has something that can boost his abilities.
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@Masta:
We know that.
This is where Fire-Fist keeps arguing (Don't worry, I won't be off-topic too long). Shanks uses a sword, therefore he is a swordsman. That is fact. It means Mihawk will always beat him in a fair, one-on-one duel. It doesn't mean sword-play is all Shanks has up his sleeve.
This is strongly supported by the fact Teach scarred Shanks w/o powers, Ace has a knife, Crocodile is skilled at hand-to-hand brawling as well as a poison hook, Sanji knows how to use knives to fight people (But he chooses not to) & so on. That is all he was saying.
So your argument is that Hawk Eyes is a swordsman, and he will fall victum to some cats that dont use a sword??????
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this debate is useless.
we have not seen either of them in an "all out" battle, where either sides pulls out their trumph card or whatever you'd like to say, hence we do not know who'se got which skill, and which skill is better.
by all means, you can create a debate on this, but it's idiotic as you do not have the facts needed to make an accurate conclusion.
as things are now i can make either conclusions :Mihawk is the strongest since he is supposed to be the best swordsman in the OP world, and with what we know Shanks is a swordsman.
Shanks is the stronges since he has even the power to clash with Whitebeard, the strongest man in the world.
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@Whitebeard.. Whitebeard doesnt use a sword, so he would fall victim to him..
In a straight fight against Mihawk where rules say that a sword is the only thing that you can use.. Mihawk woud probably win..
But just due to the fact that mihawk and shanks have fought numerous times, and the fact that shanks is still alive and so on would push me to think that shanks has something that evens out his power with mihawk.. Whether or not the something extra makes shanks stronger than shanks is questionable, I guess we will just have to wait and see
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Since all we know is that Shanks is a swordsman then Mihawk is stronger. As said thousands of times, he is the strongest swordsman in the world. Therefore, Mihawk is stronger than Shanks.
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@Whitebeard.. Whitebeard doesnt use a sword, so he would fall victim to him..
In a straight fight against Mihawk where rules say that a sword is the only thing that you can use.. Mihawk woud probably win..
But just due to the fact that mihawk and shanks have fought numerous times, and the fact that shanks is still alive and so on would push me to think that shanks has something that evens out his power with mihawk.. Whether or not the something extra makes shanks stronger than shanks is questionable, I guess we will just have to wait and see
Whitebeard uses a Kwon do, you think he will fall victim to someone who dont use a kwon do, yet he is the strongest man in the world, him and his kwon do crush DF user and so on, I think the same applies for Hawk Eyes.
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Since all we know is that Shanks is a swordsman then Mihawk is stronger. As said thousands of times, he is the strongest swordsman in the world. Therefore, Mihawk is stronger than Shanks.
you do not know this for a fact, shanks could be allot stronger than him, but in every duel he and mihawk has had in the past he has showed him mercy.
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Whitebeard uses a Kwon do.
God thank you that was something that ive been trying to find out for a while..
With the topic.Dont flame me but what if shanks uses other things besides a sword, But uses a sword to begin the fighting, like when its not serious..
I mean so far we have seen him use a sword, but we have only seen glimpses of his true power..
And just so I am correct.. When garp talked about the Yonkou.. Did he say they were the pirates that were equal to WB or the pirates that are close to him in strength.. -
Why? Well, if you are the strongest swordsman in the world does that mean that your rival is stronger? NO! If that was the case, his rival would be the strongest. Your just making nonsense by having speculations. If Shanks was the stronger swordsman, then he would have the title, but he doesn't.
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Since all we know is that Shanks is a swordsman then Mihawk is stronger. As said thousands of times, he is the strongest swordsman in the world. Therefore, Mihawk is stronger than Shanks.
For the love of god, is everyone dense?
That's speculation. So he fought Mihawk. So he's a swordsman. That's his main way of fighting. It's not his ONLY way, and you can't prove otherwise.
Mihawk is a Shichibukai, a Government Dog.
Shanks is a Yonkou. The Shichibukai were created specifically to balance the power between the Yonkou and the Marines. Mihawk even said that the Marines and Shichibukai were equal. The Yonkou are above the Shichibukai, period.
In Swordsmanship, Mihawk wins. There's no debating that. But Shanks is stronger than Mihawk in a lot of ways that doesn't include swordsmanship.
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@DesertSpada.. Okay then. I said equal in strength NOT stronger.. Whitebeard was said to be the only one to tie the pirate king in a fight.. does that make him stronger?? NO. its just means that they both do damage to each other but neither one gaining any ground on the other..
I say this goes the same with mihawk and shanks..
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God thank you that was something that ive been trying to find out for a while..
your welcome
Dont flame me but what if shanks uses other things besides a sword, But uses a sword to begin the fighting, like when its not serious..
I only flame cats that flame me, that might be true but I doubt it Shanks was very serious on Whitebeards ship, Shanks had his KI truned up all the way up, and I dont think any one would take the strongest man in all of One Piece lightly.
And just so I am correct.. When garp talked about the Yonkou.. Did he say they were the pirates that were equal to WB or the pirates that are close to him in strength..
Well Whitebeard set the bar for the Yonkou We all konw he is the strongest one out of the 4. So yea the yonkou are on his level.
@FFA the 3 great power of the world are equal.