I looked and I really didnt see much about them.. And I wanted to know how strong are they??
And are they stronger than the Yonkou..
and this is probably answered a million times, but was it ever said who was the strongest of the three powers?
The gorosei, and the powers
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I'm pretty sure physically, the Yonkou are the strongest. If I'm not mistaken, The Gorosei are just smart.
In the age of pirates, One Piece really makes intelligence a useless trait.
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They're all in balance, but on an individual basis, the admirals are the strongest. 3 admirals, 4 Yonkou, 7 Shichibukai. But they all exist in balance in terms of groups to counter each other and prevent sheer chaos. The key is that the WG employs both the admirals and the Shichibukai, whereas the yonkou are an independent force. But the Shichibukai are loose cannons; if they choose to act against the Yonkou or the Admirals depending on who moves first is up to their discretion.
As for the gorosei, all we know is how they look and that they have the highest authority in the WG. We know one carries Shodai Kitetsu. Other than that, we know nothing about their powers, abilities, names, etc.
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@Private:
In the age of pirates, One Piece really makes intelligence a useless trait.
That's just not true. As for the 5 Elder Stars, I think they can kick ass.
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The gorosei are ruling over 80? nations, I think they'd have to be at the very least in the second to top tier of fighters in order to maintain their position and fend off assassination attempts.
So at the very least, in my opinion they're as strong as Shichibukai. The 4 emperors seem to be stronger, but based on WB and Shanks.. neither of them really seems interested in ruling the world.. they kind of just wanna be left alone as far as I can tell. So I believe that the powers would go something like..
Yonkou > Gorosei (w/o Shichibukai) =/= Shichibukai
The not equal comes from both age, and the fact that they have all this technology and power they can control, and we don't know how that would affect a battle… for example if they've created a friggin forcefield, what good would being Crocodile have if you can't touch them.. etc, it comes from not having any knowledge of their capabilities. -
@Fire Fist:
They're all in balance, but on an individual basis, the admirals are the strongest. 3 admirals, 4 Yonkou, 7 Shichibukai. But they all exist in balance in terms of groups to counter each other and prevent sheer chaos. The key is that the WG employs both the admirals and the Shichibukai, whereas the yonkou are an independent force. But the Shichibukai are loose cannons; if they choose to act against the Yonkou or the Admirals depending on who moves first is up to their discretion.
As for the gorosei, all we know is how they look and that they have the highest authority in the WG. We know one carries Shodai Kitetsu. Other than that, we know nothing about their powers, abilities, names, etc.
Oh ok thanks, i needed that cleared up.
Do you know where it says that the admirals are above the yonkou and so on..
And yeah I guess the gorosei would have to be decently strong if the one carries shodai Kitetsu..
on that note, I wonder if the SH pirates will ever have to meet them or go against them?
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Here we go again
The 3 powers are equal there are so many threads like this
Yonkou=Government=shichibukai
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I don't know why but i have always believed the Gorosei were all quite weak, like 5 old Spandams. I mean politicians don't exactly have to be strong, just clever enough to control the strong.
@ FFA: when were we told that one has the shodai kitetsu. I know that one carries a sword but I thought it was still unnamed.
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I don't know why but i have always believed the Gorosei were all quite weak, like 5 old Spandams. I mean politicians don't exactly have to be strong, just clever enough to control the strong.
@ FFA: when were we told that one has the shodai kitetsu. I know that one carries a sword but I thought it was still unnamed.
Look at the handle. It's identical to Kitetsu's handle. Plus, why would he carry Nidai Kitetsu if he was one of the most important people in the world?
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@Fire Fist:
Look at the handle. It's identical to Kitetsu's handle. Plus, why would he carry Nidai Kitetsu if he was one of the most important people in the world?
Just because it has a similar handle does not mean it is the Shodai Kitetsu. And as he is one of the most important person in the world why not have a really special one of a kind katana instead of one with different generations? Besides those kitetsu are cursed, and can only be handled by master swordmen, and he does not strike me as one.
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I have a feeling that they can kick ass, but probably aren't quite world level fighters. If say, some overpowering force came to overthrow the government–the got with the sword would probably try to fight but get taken down.
So, surprising strong but not winners. I mean, they're politicians, why should be stronger then any of the three power fighters?
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i tot is the whole world goverment+ navy = yonkou = shichibukais.
So actually yonkou is the strongest as the got 4 ppl onli
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Well, I can barely read what you wrote, but I understand it.
The Gorosei don't factor into the three powers. They control two of the powers, the Marines and the Shichibukai.
On an individual basis, the Yonkou are more powerful than the individual Shichibukai, but not more powerful than the invidiual Admirals. As a group, they're all equal. But 3 admirals means only 3 people = the power of 4 people = the power of 7 people. So it's clear on an individual basis, the Admirals are the strongest.
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I think right now Admirals (Navy, Marines) = Yonkou but and the Schichibukai are just a bit beneath them, just a bit because of Crocodiles defeat. Fire Fist for the admirals did you purposely leave out the fleet (or is it supreme?) admiral, Sengoku? I think it would be
Admirals (the 3 and Sengoku) = Yonkou and then really closely the Schichibukai.
I also believe that Mihawk is one of the strongest, easily rivaling a Yonkou or Admiral.
Obviously as you guys know its not just the individuals that make up the powers, I imagine many of the Schichibukai still have underlings under them or even a fleet. I would imagine Jimbei has a huge crew. The Yonkou's most likely each have small army and the higher ranks such as first mate, lieutenants, commanders, etc match those of the vice admirals.
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I doubt the Shichibukai, even all together, could possibly defeat the Yonkou. In fact, I think the Yonkou would wipe their decks with their seven traitorous asses. (Except Mihawk, but I don't think he would WANT to fight any of the Yonkou unless one of them was some powerful swordsman or something, and seeing as he sees Shanks as an unworthy opponent…)
Even if they all have strong crews, in order to be on the same ship as the strongest pirates in the world, you've got to be pretty damn strong yourself, or at least cunning enough to make up for it.
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To be honest i always figured that
Yonkou = Admirals + Shichibukai
If that were not the case then, considering that the Shichibukai do answer to the world government to a certain extent, an admiral or some Shichibukai could just go attack Yonkous one at a time and destroy them.
I say it would take approx 1 admiral and 2/3 Shichibukai to destroy one Yonkou. The yonkou themselves have no reason to want to attack WG as long as they do not interfere with their business.
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i'm pretty sure the gorousei actually ARE pretty good fighters
judging by looks alone, you got a dude with a legendary sword
and a couple of them seem scared from past battles
they wouldn't be at the top if they had no authority
if they were weak, what's stopping sengoku, aokiji, garp, cp9, and other marine dudes from doing what they please, instead of following orders
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Yeah we all seem to forget the real trinity of powers.
It's:
Yonkou and their fleets (possibly individually, since it was a major threat to the WG should any 2 make some sort of alliance) = Shichibukai and theirs (if they have any) = Marines (that is, Admirals PLUS the many hundreds of skilled captains and Vice Admirals)
In other words, you can't equate 4 yonkou to 3 admirals or 7 shichibukai, because there're other factors which give them their true power. The Yonkou have their own crews, the Admirals have their Vice Admirals and Captains, the Shichibukai possibly on their own.
In fact, it's much more likely that the Yonkou are the most powerful of the trinity because 1. They and their crew act on their own, with low likelihood of having any sort of alliance with others 2. They rule the New World even though the Marines' forces are concentrated there and 3. the 4 of them are considered on the level of the Strongest Man In The World.
Conversely, the Shichibukai have some sort of neutrality with one another (seen during the Shichibukai meeting, you hardly see them squabbling amongst themselves), and to an extent do not go against the WG or the Marines much. In other words, they do not really have to try to fend themselves against one another or the Marines much.
The Admirals (edit from "Marines") sound even less powerful, if you factor in the fact that their forces number all across the globe and they have lots of powerful entities within their ranks. If they all add up and still can only be considered 1 part of the 3 Great Powers, then you can only imagine how much MORE powerful the Yonkou (and possibly shichibukai) are.
EDIT: OOPs i forgot this was a thread about the Gourousei, didn't mean to go off point. Anyway, if you think about it, the 5 of them aren't even considered in the 3 great powers. This doesn't mean that their weak; in fact, it means just the opposite. That they can be the ones to oversee 2 of 3 of the Great Powers must be evidence of their prowess in combat and analytical thinking. I HIGHLY doubt they are any weaker than any one of the Vice Admirals, if they are to control the World Government. This is the World, mind you.
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The Marines sound even less powerful, if you factor in the fact that their forces number all across the globe and they have lots of powerful entities within their ranks. If they all add up and still can only be considered 1 part of the 3 Great Powers, then you can only imagine how much MORE powerful the Yonkou (and possibly shichibukai) are.
I'm not sure to understand the logics here. The Marine has to deal with the age of piracy, as Garp said there's as many pirates as there's stars in the sky. What does the fact they're "only" considered one of the 3 great powers has to do with them being the weakest of the 3?
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Yonkou are people with an high political power and entire armies under their command, thanks to it their life is an emperor life.
Political power is something that the gorosei fear, this is why Frankys never got a bounty, because they fear a powerful pirate with an huge political power.
Croc was alone, DoFlamingo was forced to leave part of his crew in different islands (the same with Jimbei) and we know what the Yonkou have and Shichibukai lacks. Powerful and huge crews under their orders.
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Apparently the Gorosei are only strong in political power, not physical strength.
We already know the Yonkou are uber-tough (which is why I suggested Luffy becoming a Yonkou), but I don't know about the Shichibukai.
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the gorosei are the dark horse up to now …
What me strikes most about them is that the exact same people are at the pinnacle of power for at least 20 years (they are clearly shown in frankys flashback 8 years ago and the shades from robins flashback match them too). How long have they really been in that position? There should be immense (and deadly) competition at the top, the must have some crazy abilities to hold their position.Have they been there for 800 years - immortality???
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@Kma:
I think right now Admirals (Navy, Marines) = Yonkou but and the Schichibukai are just a bit beneath them, just a bit because of Crocodiles defeat. Fire Fist for the admirals did you purposely leave out the fleet (or is it supreme?) admiral, Sengoku? I think it would be
Admirals (the 3 and Sengoku) = Yonkou and then really closely the Schichibukai.
I also believe that Mihawk is one of the strongest, easily rivaling a Yonkou or Admiral.
Obviously as you guys know its not just the individuals that make up the powers, I imagine many of the Schichibukai still have underlings under them or even a fleet. I would imagine Jimbei has a huge crew. The Yonkou's most likely each have small army and the higher ranks such as first mate, lieutenants, commanders, etc match those of the vice admirals.
Yeah, I purposely left out Sengoku because we have no notion of his powers or his abilities. If the story of Momotaro holds water, however, then he's either a swordsman (As Momotaro was) or a DF user (Meat dumpling). But as of right now, until we see him fight I'm considering his power purely political. After all, we haven't seen an Onigashima Island yet.
It's clear that Mihawk is the strongest Shichibukai so far. But there are still two unknowns, and we don't know the full extent of Jimbei's power. Unlike the rest of the Shichibukai who don't play favoritism to any particular nation, everyone has the impression Jimbei is a sort of protector of Gyojin island, as Crocodile was protector of Arabasta. But in Jimbei's case, his protection is in sincere and not a cover for any sort of operation.
Mihawk quite clearly stated the Marines and the Shichibukai are equal. But Garp's words are rather ambiguous on whether the Yonkou are equal to the other two powers combined, or that all three are equal. That's why people debate it.
Personally, I'd like to think of them as all equal, and the reason for this is the creation of the Shichibukai. To prevent major war from breaking out and lives lost, the Shichibukai were created to move against whoever instigates a war. If the Marines start a war, the Shichibukai will move with the Yonkou. If the Yonkou start a war, the Shichibukai move with the Marines. Because of their pirate status, they have the authority to move against either power.
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fleet admiral > yonkou
yonkou > admiral
admiral >= shichibukaiall of the above > gorosei
Thats how i would look at it. But maybe the gorosei got 1 or 2 dangerous skills, like for example they are immortal?
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How could a fleet admiral be more powerful than the strongest man in the world who is a yonkou.
The 3 powers are equal but that doesn't mean each individual member of a power is on the same fighting level. Mihawk may be on yonkou level since there is alot of evidence pointing towards him being more powerful than shanks. While the other shichibukai may be weaker which keeps the balance in check.
Also anyone who the government gives orders to is part of the governments power except the shichibukai. That mean the admirals, marines, captains, sengoku, cp9 even the gorusei are all part of the governments power.
So if we go by the 3 powers are equal like it says in the manga the shichibukai and yonkou are equal to all these members of the goverment
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Also anyone who the government gives orders to is part of the governments power except the shichibukai. That mean the admirals, marines, captains, sengoku, cp9 even the gorusei are all part of the governments power.
"Except the Shichibukai"? The Shichibukai are part of the WG.
So if we go by the 3 powers are equal like it says in the manga the shichibukai and yonkou are equal to all these members of the goverment
No. The Shichibukai and Yonkou are equal to Marine Headquarters. That's the only thing we can conclude from what is said in the manga.
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Just to point something out of the whole topic: The Gorousei themself don't need to be strong [grammer okay?]. If they have supporters who respect them, that's their strength. And for the comparison thing, If we don't know why argue? All we know is that if one of each were to fight, one power will gain control and shift balance. Mainly the Yonkou.
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In a Shonen world a leader's power is usually the reason they're a leader. Sure people follow charismatic leaders as well but these old fucks aren't very charismatic for obvious reasons. They took their power somehow.
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I looked and I really didnt see much about them.. And I wanted to know how strong are they??
And are they stronger than the Yonkou..
and this is probably answered a million times, but was it ever said who was the strongest of the three powers?
Not sure what you're asking…
We have no idea how strong they are, and while i think they're strong, it's hard to fathom them being stronger than the already established power figures (Yonkou, Admirals, Shichibukai).
The Three Powers are said to be equal, but my expectations as the story progresses, is that the Shichibukai and Yonkou will become stronger. Reasons for these thoughts are...
Shichibukai lost crocodile and ultimately became weaker, but if things progress as foreshadowed so far, BB will join the Shichibukai increasing their power.
Yonkou currently have the strongest man (WB), and while i expect him to be taken down at some point, it is not gonna happen anytime soon, and i'm expecting Luffy to either challenge one of the Yonkou (not WB, not Shanks) and defeat this Yonkou, or the realization of a fifth emperor (Go-kou?), either way, this increases the strength of the Emperors. -
Yonkou are people with an high political power and entire armies under their command, thanks to it their life is an emperor life.
Political power is something that the gorosei fear, this is why Frankys never got a bounty, because they fear a powerful pirate with an huge political power.
Croc was alone, DoFlamingo was forced to leave part of his crew in different islands (the same with Jimbei) and we know what the Yonkou have and Shichibukai lacks. Powerful and huge crews under their orders.
Actually, Croc still had his Baroque Works remember? Here's something few people consider, what if the resouces that all 3 sides have factor in? Yonkou have their big crews, the marines have their troops, and the shichibukai…still probably have allies.
Part of Crocodile's power was his Baroque Works. He used them to gain more power, and with Pluton he apparently felt that he could conquer the world or something. Donflamingo, meanwhile, said that he had a business. A business needs peopleto run it, so he has allies too--whether or not they can fight remains to be seen. And, if Jimbei is on merman island, odds are he isn't alone either. Mihawk is the only real established lone shichibukai.
Defeating these guys may not just be beating them in a one-on-one fight--at least from the governments standpoint. Croc, for example, despite being weak among the three powers (that we've seen), could probably survive on his tactics--like Osama bin Laden or something. Just something to consider.
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@MB.:
In a Shonen world a leader's power is usually the reason they're a leader. Sure people follow charismatic leaders as well but these old fucks aren't very charismatic for obvious reasons. They took their power somehow.
In case you didn't notice, they're a bunch of old men. Old men usually can't bounce off walls and punch through bricks.
And Lucci is a perfect example of an incredibly strong fighter who simply follows orders. I'm sure the marines have many tough guys like that willing to help the Goresui (Sp?).
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@MB.:
In a Shonen world a leader's power is usually the reason they're a leader. Sure people follow charismatic leaders as well but these old fucks aren't very charismatic for obvious reasons. They took their power somehow.
Just because you don't like them doesn't mean that there aren't 1000s of people in the governemnt willing to follow them. They've probably gotten ahead like a lot of politicians. War, conquest, and dipomacy.
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Goresui… heheeh, sounds like a pig. ^_^
Anyway, of course the Gorosei have powerful guys. The Admirals are one of the obvious ones.
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"Except the Shichibukai"? The Shichibukai are part of the WG.
No. The Shichibukai and Yonkou are equal to Marine Headquarters. That's the only thing we can conclude from what is said in the manga.
The shichibukai don't even attend meetings and do whatever they want they just give a percentage of what they steal to the government. Thats why I didn't add the shichibukai because if it comes down to it they could commit mutiny if they pleased.
If the shichibukai and yonkou were only equal to marine headquarters, the yonkou would be dead or captured. Since there still there, it brings me to the conclusion that the world government doesn't have the power to do this.
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At the very least, the World Government couldn't bring down the Shichibukai or the Yonkou without crippling themselves to the point that the world would be thrown into chaos. Even a victory would be so devistating to WG strength that other threats, like the revolutionary Dragon, would rise to power.
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The shichibukai don't even attend meetings and do whatever they want they just give a percentage of what they steal to the government. Thats why I didn't add the shichibukai because if it comes down to it they could commit mutiny if they pleased.
If the shichibukai and yonkou were only equal to marine headquarters, the yonkou would be dead or captured. Since there still there, it brings me to the conclusion that the world government doesn't have the power to do this.
Fact of the matter is though, the shichibukai would not exist without the WG. They are commissioned pirates of the WG, better known as privateers. They're still pirates, but they more or less just attack other pirates, and are also used as a countermeasure to suppress the countless weaker pirates, and to counter the Yonkou. That and the share of riches. But if they weren't part of the government, they'd just be your average super powerful pirate.
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I don't know about stating that 3 people = strength of 4 = strength of 7.
By saying the 3 world powers are equal in power, you could stretch that fairly far.
The 3 admirals also control hordes of vice admirals, captains, commodores, etc., not to mention the countless amounts of resources and the backing of 80+ nations. Going by the fact that Arabasta is a part of this World Government, we can safely assume that the armies it could generate would number into the millions. Just the fact that they have so many resources, massive knowledge on history, and basically control another of the 3 powers goes to show that they are extremely powerful.
The 4 yonkou on the otherhand, could very well be the 4 strongest people in the world. Either that, or they control vast amounts of pirates, each as equally powerful. Perhaps they even rule of islands in the new world, and have massive influence over those people. I personally feel as if the 4 yonkou are absolute monsters to be able to be called equals with a force as powerful as what the 3 admirals command.
Which leaves us with the shichibukai, who are allowed to roam free as pirates. They are extremely strong and may still have strong ties to their former crew, as in the case with Don Flamingo. Even Mihawk has been shown to have connections with Shanks at least. The shichibukai seem to have massive connections and are free to do as they wish with the backing of the world government.
Therefore, I feel as if stating that the 3 admirals are the strongest is a flawed theory.
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@Masta:
In case you didn't notice, they're a bunch of old men. Old men usually can't bounce off walls and punch through bricks.
This is Shonen. What "Usually" happens in real life is boring….
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not to mention the Hokage in naruto. now you won't see any old man bouncing off more walls than he did.
but i think those 5 are just politically powerful, not physically. they're called "the top 5 political powers" or something. the "elder stars". elders are usually respected for their wisdom, and not renowned for their fighting prowess. at least that's my view of elders.
they definitely don't HAVE to be strong, like some people are suggesting. katanas are also worn sometimes as decorations or for ceremonious reasons.
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Actually, Croc still had his Baroque Works remember? Here's something few people consider, what if the resouces that all 3 sides have factor in? Yonkou have their big crews, the marines have their troops, and the shichibukai…still probably have allies.
Part of Crocodile's power was his Baroque Works. He used them to gain more power, and with Pluton he apparently felt that he could conquer the world or something. Donflamingo, meanwhile, said that he had a business. A business needs peopleto run it, so he has allies too--whether or not they can fight remains to be seen. And, if Jimbei is on merman island, odds are he isn't alone either. Mihawk is the only real established lone shichibukai.
Defeating these guys may not just be beating them in a one-on-one fight--at least from the governments standpoint. Croc, for example, despite being weak among the three powers (that we've seen), could probably survive on his tactics--like Osama bin Laden or something. Just something to consider.
Baroque Works= Secret Society, no one of the agent numbers with the exception of Robin and Croc knew Mr. 0 real identity.
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Yeah sorry I meant to say that the Admirals, not the Marines as a whole, are not likely to be the strongest within the 3 Great Powers.
Seeing the scars on their bodies, I should hardly think that the Gourousei maintained their positions via intellectual ability alone.
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Yeah isnt whitebeard an old man? There age doesnt matter much. They could even be stronger with age, you never know.
There are has been many characters in other series that have been old but uber. hunter X hunter, Naruto, bleach, berserk, etc.
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I really do think that the Gorosei have some sort of physical strength. I mean looking at most of them, they all seem to have some scars possibly from battles. And i somewhat compare them to the third hokage, who was still capable of fighting even for his age, although he would be killed.
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I agree.. And seriously im sure they werent just placed into the gorosei, I believe that they were all just Powerful people of their times, OR they were all admiral/fleet admiral that took the spot of the last one…
I really like them and I am intrested in seeing them in action
And I think that the Yonkou are probably the strongest because they dont command to anyone.. And we know that shanks was once Mihawks equal, so WB and the other probably are too.. So saying that Mihawk is the strongest SB than the Yonkou are prbably all stronger than them..
And if WB is the strongest man on the Planet, and the other three are supposedly close to him than I think that any of them =/> an admiral..
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To be honest i always figured that
Yonkou = Admirals + Shichibukai
If that were not the case then, considering that the Shichibukai do answer to the world government to a certain extent, an admiral or some Shichibukai could just go attack Yonkous one at a time and destroy them.
I say it would take approx 1 admiral and 2/3 Shichibukai to destroy one Yonkou. The yonkou themselves have no reason to want to attack WG as long as they do not interfere with their business.
Yep i agree if u mostly just that its actually navy(3 admirals and sengoku)+ Shichibukai = yonkou
Therefore the yonkou are the strongest as the consist of 4 ppl nia. We had also see how shanks and whitebeard clash and thier powers are amazing
