So if getting your ass kicked = dream destroyed does dying = having dream happen?

Taleran

1st off sorry about the title no other way I could think of to make it shorter

since Oda stated in that SBS that the reason that the people Luffy fights don't die is because they have their dreams crushed instead (which is much worse), does that mean that the characters that Oda does kill have their dreams realized

so far in the manga

Roger
Bellemere
Ussop's mom (disregarding because she was in like half a page)
Hiluluk
Tom (debatable)
Norland
Olivia
Saulo
Bellamy (debatable), not going into

have died.

Roger - well we won't officially know what his dream was but if it was the current good theory (stir up trouble for government, expose them), then its happening in full force.

Bellemere - since much wasn't said by her that wasn't keeping Nami and Nojiko safe, we can assume that her dream was to keep them alive, happy and safe, all of which happened so far.

Hiluluk - wanted the ailing hearts of the people of Drum to be cured, and if the recent bounty chapter is any indication it happened

Tom - wanted to save Water 7 by building the Sea Train, sea train worked and saved the town / also wanted to keep ship out of government hands also happened

Norland / Calgara - both wanted to know that each other are alive and well, and that final bell ring in Skypeia seemed to show that, well that was Calgara's goal to have the bell right once more.

Olivia - this is another debatable one becuase she doesn't really talk that much , but it seemed like Saul she wanted Robin to be safe which happened.

Saulo - well he gave his life to save Robin so I'm guessing thats what his intent was from the start so far that goal has been realized.

so now if this stays true we can look far into the manga into other peoples in the series goals and what it could mean for them.

onemoment

You may have a point there. Most dying people in One Piece seem content when they die. They feel like they accomplished something in life. This goes for Bellemere, Usopp's mom, Hiruluk, Tom, and the rest. Norland and Hiruluk specifically had attitudes for "my dream will come true later" via faith.

Meanwhile, people like Bellamy died by Oda's "people with dreams don't die rule" as Bellamy boasted against dreams.

So, if people with dreams don't die in Oda's world, then I guess people who have completed their dreams have completed their "life's goal" and therefore die.

Gizmo

If that's true then Ace is still Alive. It's a plausible theory as well.

Rai

Good find, didn't think of it.

Although, I don't think Oda is thinking of anything like that, or if he'll follow it or not. I mean, he can start killing or stop killing completely anytime he wants, and stop or start again too. It's not something you can foreshadow with.

Silence

@Rai:

Good find, didn't think of it.

Although, I don't think Oda is thinking of anything like that, or if he'll follow it or not. I mean, he can start killing or stop killing completely anytime he wants, and stop or start again too. It's not something you can foreshadow with.

If Oda says it (vol. 4, chapter 30 SBS):

Why doesn't Luffy ever kill his enemies? If you look back, he didn't kill Mohji, he didn't kill Helmepp or Captain Morgan, or anyone. Well, Zoro was the one who beat Morgan, but still. Why?

O: Ahh, good question. First of all, Morgan is still alive. His former subordinates put him in prison. So why didn't he kill him? In this era, people put their lives on their beliefs and convictions, and fight. Luffy goes into battle and destroys others' beliefs. When these enemies' beliefs are shattered, and they lose, they feel a pain as great as dying. I think that for these pirates, killing or not killing is secondary to winning or losing.

…Then he's thinking it.

Edit: Now that's not to say he won't kill people, but what it means is whether or not someone dies is secondary to whether or not they win or lose. One Piece is a manga of dreams - and so, bad people who're beaten by Luffy are kept alive to see their dreams crumble. THAT, to Oda, is more painful than simply dying and taking the easy way out.

Rai

And..?
If Oda thinks death is gonna help the plot the way he wants it, he'll kill anytime. The condition of the people you're talking about isn't important, or is important that they live. Those are two different scenarios for someone dying-losing stuff [for example, Ace's death isn't linked to Oda's answer].

MAcobo

It's much harder to live with a crushed dream, than to die.

Luffy sure enjoys f***ing with people.

Taleran

well I'm bumping this thread I made because the recent few chapters have opened up some possiblites

Ace vs. Blackbeard

Ace states that his dream is to make Whitebeard King, Ace either had his ass handed to him (which ends up in dream shattered), or he got killed (dream realized), now I know only time will tell but this starts to make lots of sense, it will be interesting to see what happens because it'd be interesting if this stayed true.

I think that's a good theory and it would be cool if it's true.

Impel Down

That's the whole point of the story. They have people who fufill their dreams for them, the SHs.