The Lunar Theory

Chlodwig Shillingsfürst

The Lunar Theory.

I'm sure this has been noted several times before, but I couldn't seem to find the official thread for it, how long I actually looked for it. If such as an official thread for this exist, please post it.

Anyhow, if we assume that the moon's phases works in the same manor in Odaverse as in the Universe, then we can more or less accuratly count the time that has passed since the Straw Hats left Syrup Village.

http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/7224/2003146212379384279_rs.jpg
Which gives us that it's gone 40-50 days since the Straw Hats left Usopp's village. This means that a cople of until recently unknown nobodies has in less then two months created a pirate crew with a bounty on over 600 million bellies, destroyed Enies Lobby, defeated a Shichi Bukai and manage to get a Buster Call on them.

Not bad.

It's also pretty interesting to think of that the mean time in Odaverse in comparison to ours is that during those 10 years we've been reading One Piece, less than two months have passed.

Anyway, the point of this is that this could possibly make it possible for us to calculate the time it would take for the Straw Hats to get to Raftel. Well, as they entered the Grand Line on day 10, and the size of OP-Earth seems to be the same as real life-Earth, then how long could it take?

If we judge that they've been travelling for 30-40 days in the Grand Line by now, then how long to make a full travell around the world?

Who hasn't read Jules Vernes classic Around the World in 80 days? Could this perhaps be a clue? Oda claimed that OP was about half finished by now, and wouldn't it then seem probable that with the technology of One Piece be so that about 80-90 days would be the time to be estimated for travelling around the world?

Of course, that theory is based on pure assumptions, guesses and wishes, but I still think that that theory should be taken into consideration.

AD-HD Pirate

Nice one! That Jules Verne part interests me.

Who hasn't read Jules Vernes classic Around the World in 80 days? Could this perhaps be a clue? Oda claimed that OP was about half finished by now, and wouldn't it then seem probable that with the technology of One Piece be so that about 80-90 days would be the time to be estimated for travelling around the world?

This could very well mean that we are half way trough.

wiseman7687

It is an interesting theory, but well.. first of all the lunar cycle occurs more than once in a year, that means that one new moon may not be connected to a full moon in another chapter.

Also, I might be wrong about this but didnt Oda say that about a year or 2 past since the beginning of the saga? I thought it was one of the questions answered. Who knows i might be wrong.

Impel Down

Or Oda just drew random moons.

COWMAKAZE

I quite like this theory, and if I'm not mistaken it supplements the timeline someone made a while ago quite nicely.

@Impel:

Or Oda just drew random moons.

I would agree with you, except for two little things. For one, the fact that they are going in order of the lunar cycle is a little too convenient to be random. Second, if Oda just wanted to draw a random moon, I'm pretty sure he would just draw a crescent moon or a full moon, the two most famous types - all these half moons, waning and waxing moons are a little too specific to be random, methinks.

One thing to consider in this theory is the model that Clover had of the world, however. It appeared to have several moons, if I'm not mistaken, and that might skew the readings a bit.

Ubiq

@COWMAKAZE:

One thing to consider in this theory is the model that Clover had of the world, however. It appeared to have several moons, if I'm not mistaken, and that might skew the readings a bit.

We've never observed anything that would indicate multiple moons though; at least, we've never seen two of them in the sky at the same time to my knowledge.

As far as the Oharan armilla goes, one of the objects in the display has a smaller satellite connected to it, which would suggest that it's a planet rather than a satellite. Instead of representing all of the Odaverse's satellites, I think it's more likely that it represents the position of various heavenly objects as seen by the human eye from the ground.

Malintex_Terek

Now, THIS is what Manga is all about! Tea and crumpets, for you, good sir; thy work is thorough and I am impressed.

FireFistAce 0

Fantastic work. Couldn't have done it better myself.

While we don't know the size of the Oda-world moon, nor the rotational velocity or the orbit velocity, if it is indeed like Earth's, then your theory most certainly holds water. Here's something that I'd like to see done, though. On Clover's crude model of a Oda-world centralized Solar system, can you point out which sphere is the moon? That would help as well.

Ubiq

@Fire Fist:

On Clover's crude model of a Oda-world centralized Solar system, can you point out which sphere is the moon? That would help as well.

The image of Maxim approaching the Odaverse's Moon in Chapter 428 shows a satellite that is most unblemished (at least on one side), but with heavy cratering towards what is probably the southern polar region. The Oharan armilla shows a similar object directly above the planet; though this particular version shows the cratering on the opposite side. This may be a representation of the opposite side of the satellite that assumes that both sides share a similar appearance. The side that we see in the image would be the side facing away from the planet after all.

That or Fairy Vearth may not be tidally locked which would allow direct observation of both sides.

So there's a good chance that that particular object towards the top of the armilla is Fairy Vearth… well, based on what we've seen so far anyway.

It might also be the large orb above and slightly to the left of Robin, but that seems more uniformly cratered than the image of Fairy Vearth that we see in Chapter 428.

Hitotsumami

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Malintex_Terek

According to Shillingsfürst's calendar, the time spent from Whisky Peak to Enies Lobby is about twenty nine days (not counting the day of the EL battles), which is exactly the same value calculated by Roman Zaenom using a different method (that is, noting enumerated day changes).

Two years my arse, Oda's maintained a good sense of time.

rusashi

Even tho this makes sense scientifically, how did Helmeppo and Coby grow about a foot in 50 days? Can't happen. I think Oda just drew random moons.

But then again, their could be a reason that they grew and this could be completly accurate.

Malintex_Terek

@rusashi:

Even tho this makes sense scientifically, how did Helmeppo and Coby grow about a foot in 50 days? Can't happen. I think Oda just drew random moons.

It's not that they grew, but got into shape, which made them look a whole lot taller. You've probably never been in Marine or Army training camps, but people get whipped into physical form with just three months worth of training; given those two were being trained by Garp, they could easily have become quite so skilled in such a short amount of time.

AD-HD Pirate

And reason why they look taller is that Oda's art is different than before.
Even Luffy has grown.

Hitotsumami

Hmmm. Nice theory.

Really like that around the worlds in 80 days thing. It's not beyond Oda to do such a thing, so yeah, I like it.

Impel Down

Actually, there are multiple moons in One Piece world. Like five.

Polygon

@Impel:

Actually, there are multiple moons in One Piece world. Like five.

Prove that those were moons.

Hitotsumami

@ Impel Down

However, they don't all resemble the moon we regularly see within One Piece. There are only two moons in Clover's model that seem the most similar to the one we see.

Impel Down

Still, even two moons would throw off the origina theory.

Chlodwig Shillingsfürst

Not only has he probably never been in an Army or Navy camp, the guy's probably never experienced the weird physical laws of the fantasy of some japanese guy.

I think that all these "coincidents" are too strange to just be something random. We can almost conclude that Oda's put the moons there for a reason.

Earlier, I formed a theory on that the model that was present at the Archeologists at Ohara would might be an older abandoned cosmological model in the Odaverse, such as the geocentric model's considered in our time. Further, as it has not yet been confirmed that One Piece-Earth's in a solar system resembeling ours, it could be another astronomical object.

Ubiq

@Malintex_Terek:

It's not that they grew, but got into shape, which made them look a whole lot taller. You've probably never been in Marine or Army training camps, but people get whipped into physical form with just three months worth of training; given those two were being trained by Garp, they could easily have become quite so skilled in such a short amount of time.

Just to back that up, let's refer to the artwork.

Judging by their recent appearance, Luffy is about half of a head taller than Koby. Now, going back to the original chapters reveals that Luffy is about half a head taller than Koby. If he's grown, then it's maybe an inch or two at most in the past few months, which isn't unrealistic at his age.

Helmpeppo, on the other hand, is about a head taller than Koby while holding that gun to his head. The panel that fully reveals them in 432 shows him to be about a head taller than Koby. Helmeppo may look taller, but that's partially because he isn't slouching like he used to.

So the notion that they've magically grown up in a few short months isn't backed up by what we actually see.

FireFistAce 0

Oda isn't that great at perspective.

Look at these shots of Laboon:

http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter102.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2012

Here, the GM is a speck.

http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter102.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2013

Here, the GM is slightly larger than Laboon's scars from a distance.

http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter102.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2016

Tiny speck again.

http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter102.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2017

Here, the ship is the length of his eye, whereas in the previous pictures, it was not.

http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemanga/onepiecechapter102.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2019

And back to a speck.

So no, the perspective may not be perfect in that picture.

Kuzan

Good one. It's incredible everybody missed it until now. And obviously they aren't random moons. Plus it coincides with that old topic that measured 20 days or so transcurred in the grand line, so the question is finally settled.

And I think that Oda had something special prepared for full moon since Syrupp village, which is amazing.

Admiral Wolfpox

GREAT JOB! I love this theory!! What kind of crazy person actually takes the time to look at how the phases of the moons are in One Piece? It's so nice.

Furthermore, I would like to give my input regarding Clover's model of the solar system…

It's not popular by any means, but there is a conspiracy theory which states that the geocentric model of the solar system is correct, and that the heliocentric model is a lie created to disrupt popular belief and cause people to lose faith in their traditional thinking (like the Bible), therefore giving "power"
or influence to the (evil) "new age thinkers" of the Enlightenment.

If Oda is a major conspiracy theorist (as I strongly think he is) he may be using that model to show that the "earth" is at the center of the universe, and therefore those things wouldn't be "moons" any more than our planets are moons around Earth.

Could be wrong, but nowadays I seem to be constantly surprised by how much meaning Oda puts into things.

FireFistAce 0

@Admiral:

GREAT JOB! I love this theory!! What kind of crazy person actually takes the time to look at how the phases of the moons are in One Piece? It's so nice.

Furthermore, I would like to give my input regarding Clover's model of the solar system…

It's not popular by any means, but there is a conspiracy theory which states that the geocentric model of the solar system is correct, and that the heliocentric model is a lie created to disrupt popular belief and cause people to lose faith in their traditional thinking (like the Bible), therefore giving "power"
or influence to the (evil) "new age thinkers" of the Enlightenment.

If Oda is a major conspiracy theorist (as I strongly think he is) he may be using that model to show that the "earth" is at the center of the universe, and therefore those things wouldn't be "moons" any more than our planets are moons around Earth.

Could be wrong, but nowadays I seem to be constantly surprised by how much meaning Oda puts into things.

Uh, no. It's very easy to prove that the Earth is not the center of the universe.

And all it means is that the Oda-verse has a primitive idea of how the universe works. The geocentric model of the Universe was accepted for the longest time.

Saloma

Congratulations, you have evolved into a super nerd, where even the regular nerds beat you up and steal your lunch money.

Seriously though, a lot of work must have been put into this, simply amazing.

Ubiq

@Fire Fist:

Oda isn't that great at perspective.

Oda is fairly consistent in his depiction of how tall Koby is relative to Luffy. The difference in height that we see in Chapter 432 is pretty much the same as what we see in Chapters 2-7.

And all it means is that the Oda-verse has a primitive idea of how the universe works. The geocentric model of the Universe was accepted for the longest time.

It's not necessarily a Ptolemaic representation of the solar system, but may simply be a way to teach the location of heavenly bodies as viewed from the ground. Of course, there's always the chance that it's simply an antique that the Library keeps around as a historical oddity.

I'd be surprised if it were an actual depiction of how people understand astronomy in the Odaverse. Generally speaking, the level of technology we see in One Piece is circa 1890s (plus or minus twenty years) level with it lagging in some areas and being a bit advanced in others. It would be rather odd if their grasp of astronomy was centuries behind everything else in the series.

MasterLag

Splendid work… this is the most accurate or scientific timeline that have been presented in ap imo...

also the around the world in 80 days could be a good quess, but i would say that the start point of the 80days in OP would be reverse mountain or loguetown...

Oda likes to use ideas from all around, like vikings(being the first known "pirates" and all), giants from many different places like norse mythology so it wouldnt be a suprise if this theory is totaly correct...

(now that this is a moon talk, is it me or doesnt it seem weird that you can breath on the moon in odaverse :p)

FireFistAce 0

@MasterLag:

(now that this is a moon talk, is it me or doesnt it seem weird that you can breath on the moon in odaverse :p)

Not really. Moons have proved to have atmospheres, just not Luna.

Io, Europa, Callisto, Enceladus, Ganymede, Titan and Triton all have atmospheres.

Kma

Awesome work! It really makes me wonder how much research Oda does to create One Piece. I've been a lurker for a while with all these theories you guys make up it just makes me enjoy OP that much more. Seriously it makes me think that some of you guys are geniuses or something piecing all these information. When I began pondering how much time has elapsed in the OP world I was about to consider going back to some parts and figuring out how much time elapsed in one arc. I know sometimes the characters say how much time has passed by, for instance after a battle they say how many days Luffy has slept and how many days they have celebrated. I'm not sure if this was filler (I've watched the anime and read the manga) but for instance in the skypiea arc when they have a huge party I remenber one of the skypieans saying aren't they tired of partying X number of days. Also after Arlong Park (again don't remenber if it was in the manga) they said they partied for a few nights too). Seriously though awesome work.

FireFistAce 0

One thing that bothers me about the moon theory is Agua Laguna.

Aqua Laguna happens once a year, right? Well, if the moon is in tidal lock, then it would happen every month. Which makes me wonder about the path of orbit.

As someone pointed out, the moon that Eneru approaches is not heavily cratered on one side, meaning that an atmosphere is entirely possible. But all the moons on Clover's model have craters, except for one, which has craters predominantly on one side. Does that mean there's a lack of an atmosphere on one side? That's rather… ridiculous to suggest.

Therefore, the moon is very likely in tidal lock with the Odaverse. With one side facing the planet perpetually, asteroids will bombard only the side facing away. And of course, because of the atmosphere, only the largest asteroids would survive and impact the surface, creating craters.

So, if we go by the fact that there has to be a tidal lock on the moon and that Aqua Laguna occurs once a year, then a complete rotation of the moon around the Odaverse would take one year.

Which... unfortunately, lends credence to the theory that 2 years have passed.

Kma

Fire Fist I enjoy reading your theories and although I do not agree with some of them the evidence you provide is compelling. I respect your posts because you know what you are talking about and you do your research. With your last post I can clearly see that your theory has logic but I refuse to believe that two years has passed simply just because of the ages of Luffy and his crew. Luffy is still 17, Nami 18, and so on.

off topic but anyone read the SBS where someone asks Oda how the Nami's breasts grow so much? Oda says that she's 18 and still "growing" and if only 40ish days have passed man thats a fast growth spurt. (I know that most likely Oda did it for fanservice)

Admiral Wolfpox

Maybe the moon has something to do with Nami's breasts…. hmmm...

FireFistAce 0

@Kma:

Fire Fist I enjoy reading your theories and although I do not agree with some of them the evidence you provide is compelling. I respect your posts because you know what you are talking about and you do your research. With your last post I can clearly see that your theory has logic but I refuse to believe that two years has passed simply just because of the ages of Luffy and his crew. Luffy is still 17, Nami 18, and so on.

off topic but anyone read the SBS where someone asks Oda how the Nami's breasts grow so much? Oda says that she's 18 and still "growing" and if only 40ish days have passed man thats a fast growth spurt. (I know that most likely Oda did it for fanservice)

Yes, that's for fanservice.

As for the 2 year theory, I'm not a supporter of it either, but only Luffy, Sanji, Nami, Zoro and Usopp's age was revealed before the Grand Line, which is why some people believe 2 years are passed.

Anyway, I believe that ~40 days have passed theory, but the moon phase theory is debunked is because of Agua Laguna and the way a tidal lock works.

Tides are always highest at perigee (closest point between Luna and Earth), and lowest at Apogee (furthest point between Luna and Earth). If Agua Laguna occurs once a year at Water 7, then we must assume that the Odaverse moon follows a fixed tidal lock orbit around the Grand Line. At perigee, which occurs once a year, it is directly above Water 7. At Epogee, it would be on the opposite side of the globe.

The tidal lock is confirmed because of what we've seen of the moon, one side is heavily cratered, meaning that spacial debris that didn't burn up touched down on one side of the moon. Because the moon has an atmosphere, most spacial debris would burn up.

So, with a tidal lock and a yearly "High tide", a full rotation of the Odaverse moon would take one year.

Dixxy Mouri

First off, the moon thing is pretty freakin' awesome. Really good eye.

But seriously, where do people get this 2 year figure from? I seriously don't want to comb throuh all of the SBS corners now but every time it gets mentioned no one is able to provide a link to either the SBS it appeared in or a link to the interview it was mentioned during.

EDIT: What if Aqua Laguna isn't based on tidal lock? I'm not quite sure how what we've seen of the moon proves or disproves the moon theory.

FireFistAce 0

@Dixxy:

First off, the moon thing is pretty freakin' awesome. Really good eye.

But seriously, where do people get this 2 year figure from? I seriously don't want to comb throuh all of the SBS corners now but every time it gets mentioned no one is able to provide a link to either the SBS it appeared in or a link to the interview it was mentioned during.

EDIT: What if Aqua Laguna isn't based on tidal lock? I'm not quite sure how what we've seen of the moon proves or disproves the moon theory.

The 2 year figure comes from a discrepancy between what Gaimon said and what Smoker said. Gaimon states quite clearly that a mere 20 years had passed since Roger's execution. The next person to make a statement regarding time passed since that event is Smoker, who clearly says it's 22 years. That's why many people believe that 2 years have elapsed between Luffy's departure and their arrival at Water 7.

Anyway, Aqua Laguna suggests that the moon has an equatorial orbit around Odaverse rather than a polar orbit. This ensures that perigee (high tide) and apogee (low tide) occur both on the Grand Line. the tidal lock also ensures that only one side of the moon is susceptible to considerable meteor showers, which are the primary source of cratering.

Ubiq

@Fire Fist:

One thing that bothers me about the moon theory is Agua Laguna.

Aqua Laguna happens once a year, right? Well, if the moon is in tidal lock, then it would happen every month. Which makes me wonder about the path of orbit.

Not so; Aqua Laguna is most likely a Spring Tide, which would only occur when the moon is closest to the planet. These become stronger when the moon is between the planet and the sun, which would be a new moon. The moon in the shot with Water 7 appears to be in the waning gibbous phase, which would put it two nights from the new moon.

If so, it wouldn't be an event that happens the same time every year, but would happen once a year. Theoretically, there may be one year out of every three or four that has two Aqua Lagunas in it, but it'll usually only be a once a year occurance with every other Aqua Laguna being particularly violent.

Having a particularly violent Aqua Laguna every year and a half brings up an interesting sidenote. The Aqua Laguna we see is noted for being a particularly strong one, which indicate that it is an alternate Laguna; counting back several cycles puts us 22.5 years ago, which is slightly before Roger's execution. As stated elsewhere, I think the Aqua Laguna is connected to Raftel in some form.

If so, that would mean that there is only a brief period when Raftel is accessible before it is covered up again for another twenty years.

Which… unfortunately, lends credence to the theory that 2 years have passed.

Uh… not really. The lunar observation matches other estimates as to how much time has passed as well as the notion that none of the characters has aged yet.

Malintex_Terek

@Fire Fist:

The 2 year figure comes from a discrepancy between what Gaimon said and what Smoker said. Gaimon states quite clearly that a mere 20 years had passed since Roger's execution. The next person to make a statement regarding time passed since that event is Smoker, who clearly says it's 22 years. That's why many people believe that 2 years have elapsed between Luffy's departure and their arrival at Water 7.

It's always humoured me to see people bring up that argument; Gaimon's statement is more along the lines of "over twenty years" or "something like twenty years" have passed; people make generalizations all the time that are not exactly specific, and given that Gaimon was trapped in a chest on an island with nothing but strange animals to keep him company, it's only natural to believe he could lose track of time fairly easily.

Gun Fall made the same generalization about dates when he spoke to Robin, which confused the heck out of a lot of people; he previously met Gold Roger and claimed pirates came to Skypiea "twenty years past", and quite clearly he was talking about the Gold Pirates, but his ambiguous wording makes it seem like there were two parties of pirates who came at different times. Now, that doesn't make much sense at all given the context of the situation. We can take into account Gun Fall as being a bit addled with age when it comes to specifics; afterall, he only started to notice simmilarities with Roger and Luffy only after Ener's Survival Game.

Gizmo

In general it's really hard to account statements made by people. Unless the number is really specific, people make just generalizations and rounds the number like people in real life do. Examples can be Robin and Crocs' bounties. Both were both over the estimation people exclaimed it would be.
Time is really hard to account for so I decided to give up and just enjoy the story as it is, but this theory makes it seem that Oda has a general idea on how long the story has been, even if he himself doesn't know exactly or cares for that matter

FireFistAce 0

@Ubiq:

Not so; Aqua Laguna is most likely a Spring Tide, which would only occur when the moon is closest to the planet. These become stronger when the moon is between the planet and the sun, which would be a new moon. The moon in the shot with Water 7 appears to be in the waning gibbous phase, which would put it two nights from the new moon.

If so, it wouldn't be an event that happens the same time every year, but would happen once a year. Theoretically, there may be one year out of every three or four that has two Aqua Lagunas in it, but it'll usually only be a once a year occurance with every other Aqua Laguna being particularly violent.

See, the fundamental problem with that is that it occurs over Water 7 once per year. Unless it was in a fixed equatorial orbit and perigee only occured over Water 7, then it wouldn't make sense for Water 7 to be the focus of this event. If the Perigee was not always over Water 7, then Aqua Laguna could occur at any point along the Grand Line. But from what we've seen, it ONLY occurs in Water 7 and ONLY occurs once a year, meaning that the rotation would take one year for a full rotation. Couple that with the fact that the moon is in tidal lock, and you've got a very precise scenario.

The scenario is:

1. Aqua Laguna can only occur over Water 7 during Perigee.

2. Perigee happens once a year over Water 7.

Kokoro clearly stated that the Aqua Laguna that occurred this year was the worst in several years. This could mean many things, but the most likely conclusion is that at this particular Aqua Laguna, the moon was in-between the Odaverse and the sun, which not only creates an eclipse, but creates the highest tides. Couple that with fixed perigee over Water 7, and you have the mother of all high tides.

NecRock

I'm guessing Aqua Laguna occurs when there is perigee accompagnied by a new moon. The moon being closer to the world (and thus pulling harder), and the sun and the moon pulling the water in the same direction, would enhance each other. This would make it plausible for Aqua Laguna to occur every year. In the real world the two coincide every fourteen months or so.

blym

Gah, NecRock beat me to it XD

You know, it would be a LOT more simpler to explain the Aqua Laguna without having to resort to all 'tidal locks' and etc.

If all the heavenly bodies around Oda-verse were roughly aligned together, it would quite obviously cause a huge tidal wave. You could explain the much worse ones if all of them were aligned just right, which is most probably a very rare occurence.

You get a simple explanation for Aqua Laguna, potential speculation fodder as to whether this allowed Gol D. Roger to reach Raftel.

Chlodwig Shillingsfürst

When it comes to this whole Aqua Laguna-theory, always remember that in the Seas of the Grand Line, the Ocean does not follow our expectations, knowledge and scientific ideas about the ocean. Take for example the Calm Belt, the Knock Up-Stream, and several other weird things.

Besides, when it comes to Enies Lobby, remember, it was always day-time there, something that's simply impossible, and you know that. If we go by that when we're taking things here into account, then the entire movement of the One Piece-world must be revisioned, and a lot of things must be re-done. A closer inspection would give us that OP-world is almost as impossible as Terry Pratchett's Discworld.

In fact, if we are to make sure that Enies Lobby's in an always daytime-zone, then we've automatically debnked the theory that there were ever nights at the close Water 7, something that in that case would be an impossibility.

By the way, if you're interested in further crazy conspiracy-theories, go to the homepage of the Flat Earth Society:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm

…Sometimes I wonder what hardcore creationists will claim next...

Hitotsumami

Flat Earth Society? What the…

Oookay.

Anyway, someone mentioned the fact that it's always sunny at Ennies Lobby. How does that work out? How is it sunny just down the ocean and night just up the ocean? Hmmm.

Admiral Wolfpox

Ha ha, well thanks Chlo, but I like to think that I'm still sane, even though I'm a major conspiracy theorist.

Mister_Anbu

Excellent find indeed. However, there is an extremely small flaw in your theory. It doesn't disprove the theory, it just opens it up even further.

What I think could be possible, but I much prefer your theory, is that more then one cycle could have passed between the showings of the moons. Let's say a full lunar cycle is about 15 days(I don't really know). And judging from the moon phases, you estimate that about 3 days have passed. However, those 3 days could just as well be 18(the full cycle of 15 brings it back around to the same moon), or 33, or 48, and so on. While what I bring up is unlikely, I feel as if it could be possible. The thing that bugs me the most about your thoery is the fact that they have accomplished so much in just ~40 days. While it's not entirely impossible, I'm probably just feeling awkward because so much time has passed in real life.

I also feel as if your little note on Around the World in 80 Days was an interesting theory. Oda could very well have done something like that.

Once again, excellent find.

FireFistAce 0

@Chlodwig:

When it comes to this whole Aqua Laguna-theory, always remember that in the Seas of the Grand Line, the Ocean does not follow our expectations, knowledge and scientific ideas about the ocean. Take for example the Calm Belt, the Knock Up-Stream, and several other weird things.

Besides, when it comes to Enies Lobby, remember, it was always day-time there, something that's simply impossible, and you know that. If we go by that when we're taking things here into account, then the entire movement of the One Piece-world must be revisioned, and a lot of things must be re-done. A closer inspection would give us that OP-world is almost as impossible as Terry Pratchett's Discworld.

In fact, if we are to make sure that Enies Lobby's in an always daytime-zone, then we've automatically debnked the theory that there were ever nights at the close Water 7, something that in that case would be an impossibility.

By the way, if you're interested in further conspiracy-theories, go to the homepage of the Flat Earth Society:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm

…Sometimes I wonder what hardcore creationists will claim next...

I doubt the perpetual light in Enies Lobby is natural. Or, if it is, it's possible that an object stuck in the White-Sea could be emitting some sort of light. That is actually a very plausible explanation. Perhaps a phosphorous growth in the White Sea creates the light, just like the huge shadows that were cast near Jaya.

Chlodwig Shillingsfürst

Your theory about the eternal daylight in Enies Lobby's much of a relief to me, since I couldn't seem to find any good explanation.

However, I still have some doubs about this "high tide at Water 7-low tide at Raftel"-theory. The different parts of the Grand Line is locked in by the Red Line into two barely connected oceans.

Xrono

wow, this cant be just a coincidence… good job.

HinaThePrince

Can so many things happen in such a short time? Can such bonds really be formed in just a few days? Doesn't seem very likely to me. Err, maybe it's been several months between each moon shot? [Sorry if I'm just talking nonesense, I don't know anything about moon cycles.]