Blackbeard and Pluton!

Simplicio

@Fire Fist:

The original Pluton is underneath Alabasta, which Blackbeard could easily find. Using black holes to blow up the desert? No problem.

Dude, we don't even know what Blackbeards power are. We don't know if Blackbeard can manupilate blackholes yet. You might be right, you might be wrong, but we would never know until Oda draws it out. So just hold your horses and wait and see before making more pure speculation.

@Fire Fist:

The Pluton blueprints are to build a second Pluton to counter the first one.

But still, I don't think it's really Pluton. I think it's a modern version of the same ship, which isn't quite the same thing. I do not think for a second that they have the materials to build a 2nd exact model.

Why can't you just accept they are the same ship? Oda already wrote the story this way.

@Fire Fist:

As far as we know, there's three original Ancient Weapons:

Er … unless I've missed something, no we don't. Only you think there are three.

If you look at Wikipedia, there are still plenty of names left ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_mythology#Major_Roman_deities

Polygon

@Admiral:

Not necessarily.

Yeah, he does. .

Mmod

@Fire Fist:

No offense, but why is it always the Brazilian guys that troll/mock me

Because SOME redneck USers are from Uranus. :ninja:

But I really enjoy your fanfiction

Overon

@Fire Fist:

Okay, there's a difference between not agreeing with a theory and trolling. You're trolling right now.

All of my theories are logical. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't give you carte blanche to troll me.

Logical? Ok ….. It's totally logicalBlackbeard with a Darkness Logia can do Blackholes ...... it's logical cause?? Cause i black hole is black, which in other words is dark, so with a darkness fruit you HAVE TO BE able to do one?!?!? Sounds like a 14 year old kiddies wet dream to me.
So far on whats logical:
We know NOTHING about Blackbeards power, except its a logia called darkness.
We know NOTHING about where Pluton is. Even if Croc searched for it in Alabasta, it does not have to be there.
We know NOTHING about Poseidon! NOTHING!
We dont even know there is a Zeus, thats even less than NOTHING we know.

luffy_versus_lucci

I think Blackbeard might overthrow the World Government, and either just kill everyone, or take control of it, OR we find out that he actually works FOR the World Govornment. Either way, he seems like a "final" opponent type of villian.

AD-HD Pirate

I like to point out that BB and his crew already got a ship. This one:

http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceManga/onepiecechapter236.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4550

Off topic:
Wasn't Doc Q supposed to be weak?

WSL307

@AD-HD:

I like to point out that BB and his crew already got a ship. This one:

http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceManga/onepiecechapter236.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4550

Off topic:
Wasn't Doc Q supposed to be weak?

the ship was destroyed in the knock up stream… you have to look here http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceManga/onepiecechapter236.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4553

AD-HD Pirate

Then how they get that island where they are now?

I am quite sure that they fixed that ship.

SabZ

@Admiral:

Then prove it, please.

No, it's not. Look up "probable" and "most likely" or "safe to assume" and you will realize they have nothing to do with "working with it". You don't know what Oda will do, and you don't have any solid evidence that leads to your conclusion, so therefore it's only more "likely" in your mind, and not objective reality.

You also have no clue what "trolling" and "flaming" are, apparently. Trolling would be me making a big sarcastic, insulting post to get a reaction out of you; flaming would be simply insulting you. What I'm doing here is totally called-for and constructive. I've said my part, so I'm gonna leave it at that.

Not necessarily.

Again, you're making it sound like fact. If a noob reads that, he's going to assume that you somehow found out this FACT, when – in reality – it's just your guess!

Oh I see, we have to find a way to read Oda's mind or travel to the future to make any assumption on what is probable in One Piece future. Man, you overreact over little things to make YOURSELF stand out.

Zeus/ Jupiter is an interesting theory for the new name, and it is, as far as I can think, most likely (or probably if you like) the next name. Probably doesn't mean "OMG THAT'S GOIN 2 B TEH NXT NAME!!1!1!ONE!11". It means taht there is a high chance Oda will pick a similar name because of his previous names for weapons. I consider the first two names of the weapons the best evidence to go by.

Though I do beleive FFA does make a guess seem like a fact.

Blackbeard definately has the potential to find a decent ship, and I guess that his thurst for greatness will lead him to want a great ship. But at the moment, Luffy is his goal.

Sogeking D. Usopp

Blackbeard's first ship was destroyed by Knockup stream, and it was nothing more than a huge-mongous raft. I believe he probably just re-assembled it due to its simple design. Though the ship looked large, it isn't a match for a prepared Navy Ship.

Also Uranus will be a Space-Ship.

FireFistAce 0

@Overon:

Logical? Ok ….. It's totally logicalBlackbeard with a Darkness Logia can do Blackholes ...... it's logical cause?? Cause i black hole is black, which in other words is dark, so with a darkness fruit you HAVE TO BE able to do one?!?!? Sounds like a 14 year old kiddies wet dream to me.
So far on whats logical:
We know NOTHING about Blackbeards power, except its a logia called darkness.
We know NOTHING about where Pluton is. Even if Croc searched for it in Alabasta, it does not have to be there.
We know NOTHING about Poseidon! NOTHING!
We dont even know there is a Zeus, thats even less than NOTHING we know.

Ugh…

Listen, it doesn't matter what Blackbeard's power is. If he can sack drum in a matter of days, he'd have no problem wrecking Alabasta. He's a lot Stronger than Croc and with 4 other equally powerful monsters backing him, they'd find the weapon in no time. And no, it's not a bloody wet dream except maybe to you for him to have gravity-based abilities or dark-matter based abilities. It's a logical guess as anything. Apparently you and Wolfpox hate people who guys.

Second:

< <cobra: there="" is="" no="" history="" of="" this="" country="" on="" that="" stone...!!="" it="" should="" have="" been<br="">everything about that "weapon" you wanted...!!
...and its LOCATION...
If you had told Crocodile that...
In that instant
this country would have been his. Am I wrong?

Failed. Pluton was in Alabasta. Christ, you just want to disagree with me because you don't like me.

You're right, we know nothing about Poseidon, but if you know your bloody mythology, Poseidon/Neptune was the god of the sea. Pluto/Hades was God of the underworld. It would make bloody sense for Poseidon to be underwater, and Pluton to be under land. They MAY NOT BE. But it's better than your bitching about it, it's an educated guess.

And Mmod, I'm not a redneck. I'm tired of people like you who just bash me for no reason. Having a theory isn't a crime, especially when I take elements from One Piece. So don't insult me, I don't insult you.

Simpilico, yes, I know, there's no way to know what Blackbeard's power yet until next week (if it's even shown). But read what I said earlier. And as for having the materials, if they didn't fear the weapons so much, do you think they'd more than likely have the materials to build them? Yes, certainly. Because they fear them is why I don't think those Pluton plans are an exact replica. But they may be.

Lastly, I'm just going by logic, because Pluto/Hades, Poseidon/Neptune and Zeus/Jupiter are the three father gods of Roman/Greek Mythology. I didn't mean there are only 3 ships in existence, I'm sorry. But it's very likely if there's a third weapon, it will be Zeus or Jupiter.</cobra:>

Overon

@Fire Fist:

Ugh…

Listen, it doesn't matter what Blackbeard's power is. If he can sack drum in a matter of days, he'd have no problem wrecking Alabasta. He's a lot Stronger than Croc and with 4 other equally powerful monsters backing him, they'd find the weapon in no time. And no, it's not a bloody wet dream except maybe to you for him to have gravity-based abilities or dark-matter based abilities. It's a logical guess as anything. Apparently you and Wolfpox hate people who guys.

Did i say BB is weak? No! Ofc he is superstrong. Any logia user is. Just assuming "oh, he can use black holes" is so stupid.

@Fire Fist:

Second:

< <cobra: there="" is="" no="" history="" of="" this="" country="" on="" that="" stone…!!="" it="" should="" have="" been<br="">everything about that "weapon" you wanted...!!
...and its LOCATION...
If you had told Crocodile that...
In that instant
this country would have been his. Am I wrong?

Failed. Pluton was in Alabasta. Christ, you just want to disagree with me because you don't like me.</cobra:>

Gimme the statement where its said that "Pluton is in Alabasta". The stone saying where the Pluton is to be found is no proof its in Alabasta.

@Fire Fist:

You're right, we know nothing about Poseidon, but if you know your bloody mythology, Poseidon/Neptune was the god of the sea. Pluto/Hades was God of the underworld. It would make bloody sense for Poseidon to be underwater, and Pluton to be under land. They MAY NOT BE. But it's better than your bitching about it, it's an educated guess.

So you agree with me you just guessing around. Ofc i know roman/greek mythology. Im not saying its impossible what you are saying, just you make it sound like all you say is fact.

@Fire Fist:

And Mmod, I'm not a redneck. I'm tired of people like you who just bash me for no reason. Having a theory isn't a crime, especially when I take elements from One Piece. So don't insult me, I don't insult you.

You put out theories, that are 99% based on wild guessing around. The fact that some parts of what yet happened in One Piece has to do with some parts of mythology doesnt neccessaryly mean there are that much more things to come up.

@Fire Fist:

Simpilico, yes, I know, there's no way to know what Blackbeard's power yet until next week (if it's even shown). But read what I said earlier. And as for having the materials, if they didn't fear the weapons so much, do you think they'd more than likely have the materials to build them? Yes, certainly. Because they fear them is why I don't think those Pluton plans are an exact replica. But they may be.

So, lets wait and see what BB power are. And btw i said nothing ever to the Pluton plans that we know nothing about being a replica or original. Oh wait … what did i say? The Pluton plans WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

@Fire Fist:

Lastly, I'm just going by logic, because Pluto/Hades, Poseidon/Neptune and Zeus/Jupiter are the three father gods of Roman/Greek Mythology. I didn't mean there are only 3 ships in existence, I'm sorry. But it's very likely if there's a third weapon, it will be Zeus or Jupiter.

Sure its possible there is another weapon. I mean we just got about half the story passed (regarding Oda said it would be about 1000 chapters overall). And if there is a weapon, im sure it will be one of the names from mythology. But there are plenty other greek/roman gods like Ares, Hera, Hephaistos, etc.

I said it once and I'm gonna say it again:
The thing about you, that's so annoying and what makes me and others say your theories are crappy is that you guess around wildly, thinking yourself of characters in One Piece to have certain abilities which we know nothing about. And after you guessed in the dark, put up a theory you tell it like it was fact. You should maybe rename to "Usopp".

Mmod

Look Ace, Uranus is the logical choice. After all, Uranus/Caelius is the god of sky, as Neptune/Poseidon is the god of sea and Pluto/Hades is the god of the underworld. Zeus is third generation of pantheon leaders. We are talking about the 2nd, Uranus and his friends.Ace, deal with it,Uranus is better than Zeus

FireFistAce 0

@Mmod:

Look Ace, Uranus is the logical choice. After all, Uranus/Caelius is the god of sky, as Neptune/Poseidon is the god of sea and Pluto/Hades is the god of the underworld. Zeus is third generation of pantheon leaders. We are talking about the 2nd, Uranus and his friends.Ace, deal with it,Uranus is better than Zeus

Oh, I thought you were making fun of me with the "Your anus" joke. I'm sorry.

You're right, Cronos/Uranus would be a better choice, but it would make sense for Zeus to possibly be it too, since Zeus, Hades and Poseidon are brothers.

Admiral Wolfpox

ON TOPIC:
Didn't we just see Vivi and Arabasta again? They're all happy, and so, since apparently Pluton is in Arabasta after all, how does it make sense that Blackbeard managed to go there and get it, "revive it", and still have nobody know about it? Blackbeard can't have Pluton at this point.

Sogeking D. Usopp

In anycase, Blackbeard has yet to reveal his new ship, whether it be reconstructed or something awsome. It is also doubtful that he hasn't claimed a legendary weapon, considering that nobody else has since the Forgotten History.

As far as where Pluton/Posideon/etc are, thats not really all that relevant to the story. However if you notice, Poneglyphs are left with "ancient" societies:

Alabasta - Egyptian Based Society
Shadians - Mayan Based Society

It is highly likely that Poneglyphs are only located within areas based off of Ancient Societies. Whether this has anything to do with the weapons in relation to the Poneglyphs that give their information is entirely speculation.

Coriolis

@Admiral:

ON TOPIC:
Didn't we just see Vivi and Arabasta again? They're all happy, and so, since apparently Pluton is in Arabasta after all, how does it make sense that Blackbeard managed to go there and get it, "revive it", and still have nobody know about it? Blackbeard can't have Pluton at this point.

Also, why would Pluton be hidden somewhere as simple as Arabasta? I would hope that whoever hid it would choose a better spot with less people.

Admiral Wolfpox

We don't know if they're "hidden" intentionally or that's just where they ended up, do we? But I totally agree that if you were going to hide them, you should do it somewhere away from the map.

FireFistAce 0

@Coriolis:

Also, why would Pluton be hidden somewhere as simple as Arabasta? I would hope that whoever hid it would choose a better spot with less people.

There are a lot of people there NOW. Maybe 800 years ago, there weren't so many.

Admiral Wolfpox

But it would still be close to the ponyglyph. Imagine burying something secret in your back yard and then creating encoded directions to find it in the same back yard… You draw attention to the area just by making them nearby.

In any case, only Robin knows where it is, and Oda, right? That's not what this thread is about.

FireFistAce 0

@Admiral:

But it would still be close to the ponyglyph. Imagine burying something secret in your back yard and then creating encoded directions to find it in the same back yard… You draw attention to the area just by making them nearby.

In any case, only Robin knows where it is, and Oda, right? That's not what this thread is about.

You're right, let's get back on topic.

I think it's possible. We don't know if Blackbeard can read Poneglyphs or not; maybe he can. If not Blackbeard, maybe Doc Q or Lafitte. He was once a West Blue Policeman, perhaps he stole intel on the Ohara incident. In any case, someone on his crew might, and that's the edge Blackbeard needs to become Pirate King.

Also, I don't think Oda would have Blackbeard's ship destroyed for no reason. There has to be a reason, and the likely one is getting him a new one.

Lastly, to cover up for Pell's impossible survival, it's plausible he hurled the bomb far away and it exploded somewhere in the desert, uncovering Pluton.

Admiral Wolfpox

Wait… we saw the explosion clearly, and it was above the city square.

Coriolis

Didn't we just go over why it's improbable for Pluton to be buried in Arabasta? If it truly was buried in Arabasta, then ordinary Joe-Schmoe could be diggin for a well and come across Pluton.

Polygon

@Coriolis:

Didn't we just go over why it's improbable for Pluton to be buried in Arabasta? If it truly was buried in Arabasta, then ordinary Joe-Schmoe could be diggin for a well and come across Pluton.

**First of, the desert is HUGE. Second, I doubt anyone digging in Arabasta would dig a 1000+ ft to get some water. Third, here are probaley an array of thing blocking one's simple getting pluton if they knew the location.

The only way I can see Pluton not being in Arabasta is if Roger moved it somewhere else, which I doubt.**

Coriolis

@Polygon:

**First of, the desert is HUGE. Second, I doubt anyone digging in Arabasta would dig a 1000+ ft to get some water. Third, here are probaley an array of thing blocking one's simple getting pluton if they knew the location.

The only way I can see Pluton not being in Arabasta is if Roger moved it somewhere else, which I doubt.**

What I meant was Pluton's proximity to the poneglyph, as Wolfpox explained (you wouldn't bury a treasure chest next to the map). However, I do concede about my "Joe-schmoe digging up Pluton" bit.

Also, you bring up a good point. Did they ever mention that Gold Roger got his hands on one of these ancient warships?

Polygon

@Coriolis:

What I meant was Pluton's proximity to the poneglyph, as Wolfpox explained (you wouldn't bury a treasure chest next to the map). However, I do concede about my "Joe-schmoe digging up Pluton" bit.

Also, you bring up a good point. Did they ever mention that Gold Roger got his hands on one of these ancient warships?

**Sometimes, that's the best place to hide it.

And no, Nothing is mentioned about Roger being in possesion of the ancient weapons.**

onemoment

I have a feeling that we'll be seeing these ancient weapons before the series end. How it happens, who knows. Maybe Blackbeard will get it, he's supposed to be an incredible person afterall, so you can only naysay what he can't do to an extent. Not to go crazy though, but finding Pluton among all the other tasks in the world may not be impossible for a man trying to be Pirate King.

He's not that far from Alabasta or Jaya. Closer then Luffy at least. It's at least a valid theory.

A plan to take out Whitebeard and become Pirate King must be pretty big, from a man who planned and waited to get a perfect devil fruit (for him), all while keeping it hidden from Whitebeards crew. Otherwise he's an idiot.

Le Lawliet

With such advanced technology, the ancient civilization probably renamed Uranus to Urectum.

But now, being serious, Uranus wasn't a God. He was the universe, so his inclusion as an ancient weapon is questionable.

But Zeus being next would be a likely candidate imo. Poseidon and Hades were his older brothers in which they each rule a part of the world when the world was split into three: Underworld for Hades, Poseidon is sea, and Zeus being the sky and earth. In fact, Hades was the eldest, followed by Poseidon then Zeus

But either way, we don't have true confirmation that Pluton is in Alabasta. I personally think so, but there's not enough evidence to truly confirm this.

Sogeking D. Usopp

OMG, GEDATSU AND GORO DUG PLUTON UP! - LOLOLO (SARCASM)

Theres hardly enough evidence to conclude any factual claims here. Robin knows the whereabouts of TWO (or more) legendary weapons. Both Poneglyphs are located in societies based off of Ancient Societies.

It would amuse me if the next one was found in some form of ancient Greek civilization.

onemoment

@Sogeking:

OMG, GEDATSU AND GORO DUG PLUTON UP! - LOLOLO (SARCASM)

Theres hardly enough evidence to conclude any factual claims here. Robin knows the whereabouts of TWO (or more) legendary weapons. Both Poneglyphs are located in societies based off of Ancient Societies.

It would amuse me if the next one was found in some form of ancient Greek civilization.

Which is why we speculate.

For this sort of thing, we actually need proof that it can't happen. Cause there's never proof for these things, just "hints."

mercutius

For everyone who strongly doubts that pluton is in alabasta, do you just disregard Croc's quote or label him as a misinformed idiot? and even Cobra's quote too. is there i'm really curious about how you would make a firm response to that. Overon gave a response to it, but he misinterperted the quote. If the translation is accurate, there is no mistake that Cobra is saying "the stone told you the location of the weapon, if you had told him then he'd take over this country".

now, assuming it's NOT in alabasta. why would he say "this country would be his?" if he found the location, Croc would go there in a snap and leave alabasta. there is a slightly diff way you can interpert this, you can say that it means with pluton's power, alabasta is his. but Croc doesn't need that ships power to take over alabasta, and it'd make more sense to say "the world is his" if Cobra is referring to the power it'd grant Croc as a pirate.