Shanks and One Piece

kljs

Has anyone considered that Shanks already has One Piece with him or he is the only one that knows where One Piece is located…. being on Roger's ship, even if Roger kept it a secret even from his own crew.... there is bound to be someone that Roger would trust One Piece with or the location of One Piece with.....

Shanks is probably that person.....

although, we don't really know that this is true or not, but judging from Shanks and his talk about "betting on a new era" thingy.... there is a chance he wants One Piece to be forgotten or at least make sure no one finds it..... even Luffy......

Zulen

I was wondering about this earlier this morning.

Shanks having One Piece in his possession is highly unlikely, but I'm not sure if he's interested in finding it at all.

kljs

I would bet the very least, Shanks knows the location of One Piece…. but is not interested in finding it......

Kaze no Barako

I wouldn't be surprised if Shanks knew where One Piece was, or at least had a vague idea of where it would be. However, if this were true, wouldn't Whitebeard and the other Yonkou be after him trying to squeeze clues to its whereabouts out of him?

kljs

@Kaze:

I wouldn't be surprised if Shanks knew where One Piece was, or at least had a vague idea of where it would be. However, if this were true, wouldn't Whitebeard and the other Yonkou be after him trying to squeeze clues to its whereabouts out of him?

maybe noone knows that Shanks knows about One Piece…...

Kaze no Barako

@kljs:

maybe noone knows that Shanks knows about One Piece…...

But, since he was on Roger's crew, and this seems to be common knowledge… wouldn't they suspect that he might know SOMETHING about One Piece? I'm sure the greatest pirate of all time wouldn't abandon his nakama and arrive at the final island alone... well, if that's even where One Piece is, anyway.

KrnxAJa

I think that much of the things that are discussed here should be spoilered.

Overon

Well its unknown when Shanks left Rogers crew. Its also unknown how many of Rogers crew were taken to Raftel.
As Shanks was pretty much a nobody on Rogers ship i think he was surely not one of those who got any of the information about where/what the One Piece is.
So Shanks imho doesnt know anything about the One Piece, except that its to be found on Raftel.
Still its pretty much a mystery to me how noone ever except Roger found the way to last Grandline island.

psolaras

i think i mentioned that in "more theories about raftel" thread

WSL307

the best theorie for me is that one piece is the hat… gold roger passed it to shanks and shanks passed it to luffy

psolaras

@WSL307:

the best theorie for me is that one piece is the hat… gold roger passed it to shanks and shanks passed it to luffy

:shocked: i see!

hmmmm,:wassat:,so according to that theory when he said i left it all in one piece, he meant shank's head!!!!!! :blink:

geez,look what a mistranslation does,people went in search for one piece in GL for nothing:silly:

Kranimal

could the history itself be "One Piece" ???

something i've been wondering about, i had little to do, so i posted it

don't you think that the mugiwara's goal is to reach Raftel, not litteraly but when you think about it…
Luffy wants to find one piece (at raftel)
Robin is searching for the poneglyhp (at raftel)
Sanji, searching for all blue, (probably at raftel, since it only is a legend)
Usopp, become a brave warrior of the sea (when he finally reaches raftel)
Franky, travel with his ship across the world (raftel is the last island)
Nami, make a map of the world, (she can make a map of the islands, but to make a map of the world, she needs to find Raftel, so she has the entire world on the map)
Chopper, see the world (he's traveling across the GL, and he sorta needs to see the last island in the world to end his journey, raftel.)

Zoro, not sure

Impel Down

Zoro just wants to beat Mihawk, which has nothing to do with reaching the New World or even traveling the Grand Line, except Mihawk is usually there.

kljs

@KrnxAJa:

I think that much of the things that are discussed here should be spoilered.

like what?

the only thing we know about is Shanks was formerly on Roger's crew…. that's all...... the other stuff are all theories, speculative stuff.....

but we don't know if Shanks has One Piece, or that he know the location of One Piece..... it's all speculation....... theories....

so, where the spoiler comes in?

Rai

I actually think Chopper's dream is not determined yet, and it will be when he's announced "The Fifth Person" in the chapter title.

On topic, meh, that's really too much into it for now. We know NOTHING that can help us on such a theory, except that Shanks was on the crew untill Roger was executed [sp?].

Kranimal

@Impel:

Zoro just wants to beat Mihawk, which has nothing to do with reaching the New World or even traveling the Grand Line, except Mihawk is usually there.

Yea, i know, but what i meant was that i dont know what else there is for zoro when he reaches raftel

psolaras

@Impel:

Zoro just wants to beat Mihawk, which has nothing to do with reaching the New World or even traveling the Grand Line, except Mihawk is usually there.

well though he doesn't,zoro is needed (as the pirate king's nakama and as the strongest swordsman) to eventually help luffy with his strenght in order to pass every possinle obstacle to reach raftel

but if he haden't met luffy,raftel wouldn't be needed

@Kranimal:

could the history itself be "One Piece" ???

something i've been wondering about, i had little to do, so i posted it

don't you think that the mugiwara's goal is to reach Raftel, not litteraly but when you think about it…
Luffy wants to find one piece (at raftel)
Robin is searching for the poneglyhp (at raftel)
Sanji, searching for all blue, (probably at raftel, since it only is a legend)
Usopp, become a brave warrior of the sea (when he finally reaches raftel)
Franky, travel with his ship across the world (raftel is the last island)
Nami, make a map of the world, (she can make a map of the islands, but to make a map of the world, she needs to find Raftel, so she has the entire world on the map)
Chopper, see the world (he's traveling across the GL, and he sorta needs to see the last island in the world to end his journey, raftel.)

Zoro, not sure

good point but as far as chopper and usopp is concerned i don't think they have to reach raftel to accomplish their goals

and that is why they might be weaker characters

WSL307

@psolaras:

good point but as far as chopper and usopp is concerned i don't think they have to reach raftel to accomplish their goals

and that is why they might be weaker characters

i don't think that chopper is that weak
he is a df-user

Hyper Dingo

I'd like to think that Shanks rocks the speedo. One piece indeed!

[Stupid joke] The tresure is bullets, Gol D. Roger left them in one Piece[Stupid joke]

psolaras

@WSL307:

i don't think that chopper is that weak
he is a df-user

well you are right but he is weak in heart and i am dissapointed cuz he has done nothing about healing the all diseases dream yet

maybe he will learn to control monster point or invent new forms in the future so he could become even stronger but oda should give him more time in the spotlight and make them change a little (that goes for usopp too)

(i am kinda relieved that you didn't get mad about my othe post:happy: that mean you are a person with sense of humour yourself! ALL HAIL KING WSL307!!!!)

FireFistAce 0

@psolaras:

well you are right but he is weak in heart and i am dissapointed cuz he has done nothing about healing the all diseases dream yet

maybe he will learn to control monster point or invent new forms in the future so he could become even stronger but oda should give him more time in the spotlight and make them change a little (that goes for usopp too)

(i am kinda relieved that you didn't get mad about my othe post:happy: that mean you are a person with sense of humour yourself! ALL HAIL KING WSL307!!!!)

Dude, have you been paying attention at all? If it wasn't for Chopper, Usopp would have died several times, so would have other people from their injuries, except Luffy.

psolaras

@Fire Fist:

Dude, have you been paying attention at all? If it wasn't for Chopper, Usopp would have died several times, so would have other people from their injuries, except Luffy.

please try to understand what you read

i am not disappointed with chopper as a doctor

i am disappointed cuz he hasn't done anything for his dream and the first and last time we heard him say about his dream was in drum

he should be studying like hell or anyway doing at least something

Impel Down

Shanks probably knows it's at Raftel (everyone does), but he's having a hard time getting there like everyone else.

SabZ

I doubt Shanks has it, but he probably knows a little more about it's whereabouts than any of the other three Yonkou. Maybe that's why he was confronted by Blackbeard and recieved that scar (but there are many other potential reasons on how or why they meet).

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I bet Buggy knows more about where it is than Shanks, being as sneaky as he was on Roger's ship (he could've overheard something about Raftel and a certain place). But Buggy is just to weak to attempt to get it.

Buggy, in some way or the other, is definately one of the most important characters of One Piece.

Kranimal

@psolaras:

please try to understand what you read

i am not disappointed with chopper as a doctor

i am disappointed cuz he hasn't done anything for his dream and the first and last time we heard him say about his dream was in drum

he should be studying like hell or anyway doing at least something

Wasn't his dream also to see the world with his own eyes???

if thats the case, then he is doing what he has dreamt of..

Impel Down

I agree that Buggy will have a bigger part in One Piece. First off, he's Oda's fav villian and also, Zoro was going to be in Buggy's crew, and to have a charecter of that much power just as a little villian's partner seems like a waste.

Gizmo

I like the whole "One Piece is true history" idea or that you need to find true history in order to find One Piece.

That could give interesting story for Robin. Whitebeard could persuade her to join him since he knows the locations of most or all of the Ponyglyphs and the Rio Ponyglyph.

Impel Down

I wonder if Shanks knows who Pandaman is?

kljs

I doubt Buggy knew where One Piece is…..... but even if he knew.... he doesn't have the ability to get to it..... unlike Shanks....

Maybe Shanks is planning to get there, without telling anyone why he wants to get there..... the location for One Piece.....

Kranimal

Hm, Maybe the journey itself is "ONE PIECE"
there will be gold for them in the end, but the journey to get there,

The time spent trying to get there, gathering nakama, traveling with your nakama, all the expiriences. and of course there will be some gold there, but the true treasure are the memmories you will end up having after achievieng your dream

Rai

@Kranimal:

Hm, Maybe the journey itself is "ONE PIECE"
there will be gold for them in the end, but the journey to get there,

The time spent trying to get there, gathering nakama, traveling with your nakama, all the expiriences. and of course there will be some gold there, but the true treasure are the memmories you will end up having after achievieng your dream

Err, that's pure fanservise. I will definitely hate that end. So much bullshit [no offence or something].

Kakaliaha

@Overon:

Well its unknown when Shanks left Rogers crew.

http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-2/chapter434hq.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=9746

Kranimal

@Rai:

Err, that's pure fanservise. I will definitely hate that end. So much bullshit [no offence or something].

What'd you expect, the show is about dreams, following your heart, nakama and so on

Im not saying i want a ending like that, but i wouldn't be surprised if OP had a moral-ending

Hyper Dingo

Oh man we already know that dragon flew to raftel already, and he has a castle there. Thats where luffy's mom is.

kljs

actually, there is something amist…..

if Shanks and Buggy were on Roger's crew...... wouldn't they have been to Raftel in the first place?

Sogeking D. Usopp

I believe that One Piece is figurative. Roger stated he left all of his treasures at "that place". We all know at this point that treasure is something OTHER THAN gold or valuables.

Shanks probably does know where "One Piece" is but respects his former captain enough to protect it and its whereabouts rather than take it for himself. Shanks is an honorary pirate in contradiction to natural pirates and thugs (shown SEVERAL times).

What One Piece is is a totally different matter. Roger seemed content with giving it up, but we all know One Piece can't be gold and jewels. This makes One Piece hard to identify as a personal item or a person with relation to Roger.

Oh and the series is more than half-way done. Most people assume that its (GRANDLINE - NEW WORLD) too bad they're forgetting "EAST BLUE". I'm expecting OP to end at 900ish chapters.

LightningAce

@kljs:

actually, there is something amist…..

if Shanks and Buggy were on Roger's crew...... wouldn't they have been to Raftel in the first place?

Unless they were actually on Roger's ship the Oro Jackson, i very much doubt it. It is the only ship that ever made it to the end.

kljs

that we still don't know….. does Roger have other ships too?

Polygon

@LightningAce:

Unless they were actually on Roger's ship the Oro Jackson, i very much doubt it. It is the only ship that ever made it to the end.

Why wouldn't they have had been on the Oro Jackson?

Admiral Wolfpox

Think about it: "One Piece" is simply all of Gold Roger's stuff, so of course Shanks saw it, because he saw all of Roger's stuff before he died. Gold Roger left his stuff at Raftel and called it "One Piece", so Shanks has seen it, but unless he stole it all, he doesn't have it. Doesn't that make sense?

Then again… it would also mean that Buggy knew where it was. Hmm. Yet neither of them are strictly going after it. Maybe Gold Roger told them that they couldn't go for it themselves. That would explain why Shanks "bet his arm" on Luffy, since he wants someone good to get it.

Woot, I'm calling this my theory! Lol.

Gizmo

It really all depends on what the "new age" is all about. It's apparently about the age of dreams ending and the strong will be triumphant. If Shanks goes by this definition of the "new age", then he's betting that Luffy will be on top.

Buggy and Shanks went they're separate ways on Gol D.'s execution. Who knows if they went after One Piece or not? It is a giant war zone in the grand line apparently in this "new world", so its been proven difficult to get after even if you know exactly where it is.

Also if there are people who know exactly where it is, they would've been interrogated or known more better.

That's why I believe in the finding true history to find one piece theory. Gol D. could've planned the whole thing so that One Piece has to be found like an ancient weapon, through the Ponyglyphs.
That way only a certain group of people could find it, and thus another reason why the World Government put a ban on reading it:so nobody can find One Piece declare themselves Pirate King and disrupt the balance they're worked so hard to achieve.

NOTE THIS:JUST BECAUSE THIS THEORY IS FOUND THE SAME WAY AS ANCIENT WEAPONS, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT WILL BE AN ANCIENT WEAPON.

going back on my earlier post it'll give a chance for robin's loyalty to be tested if someone like Whitebeard offers her a chance to find it if she helps him find One Piece.

Admiral Wolfpox

You're right, Ultimateclima. Although I don't think it's safe to say that "if there are people who know exactly where it is, they would've been interrogated or known more better," because obviously everyone who was on Gold Roger's crew would be wanted by the World Government anyway, so they could know about it and it wouldn't probably only increase their bounty. But who's to say that the World Government even knows that Buggy or Shanks was on his crew? They were just cabin boys, after all.

I think the ponyglyphs are also the key to finding One Piece, but I think Shanks knows how to get it. In fact I think there's some sort of "stalemate" between the Yonkou, and that's why whoever rules the New World will be the pirate king. Whew, there's a lot we have to learn yet.

kljs

I think Shanks somehow knows where One Piece…. he just isn't interested to go find it..... or Roger entrusted him to protect the location of One Piece until someone worthy comes around to own it.....

Gizmo

@Admiral:

You're right, Ultimateclima. Although I don't think it's safe to say that "if there are people who know exactly where it is, they would've been interrogated or known more better," because obviously everyone who was on Gold Roger's crew would be wanted by the World Government anyway, so they could know about it and it wouldn't probably only increase their bounty. But who's to say that the World Government even knows that Buggy or Shanks was on his crew? They were just cabin boys, after all.

I think the ponyglyphs are also the key to finding One Piece, but I think Shanks knows how to get it. In fact I think there's some sort of "stalemate" between the Yonkou, and that's why whoever rules the New World will be the pirate king. Whew, there's a lot we have to learn yet.

Thanks Wolfpox.
This is QFT. YOu have a point with BUggy and Shanks, probably a lot of people don't know they were on his crew. Also, the whole Yonkou is confusing in general. It just needs more info on it before the whole Yonkou thing can be dechipered.

kljs

for Shanks and Buggy being cabin boy, and for Whitebeard to remember them…..... some cabin boys they were!

dlo62282

If One piece is actually just a collection of Gol D. Rogers's gold, than why would any of his crew no where it was?

He pretty much said, he hid most of the wealth he collected in the grandline and that place is one piece. He probably was the only person who knew where he put it.

Impel Down

Well, we really don't know if Shanks was Roger's first-mate or something.

kljs

Whitebeard already said Shanks has come a long way since he started out as a cabin boy on Roger's ship….. he might have been a very trusted crewmember to Roger......

Polygon

@Impel:

Well, we really don't know if Shanks was Roger's first-mate or something.

He wasn't, we know this for a fact.