Chapter 440 "Fire Fist vs. Blackbeard" Discussion

[psolaras]

@Phenomenol:

Blackbeard GASHING Shanks is by no means being a chicken, have you read how Shanks talked about Blackbeard? Shanks was concerned for Ace's safety because of Shanks encounter with the man. Blackbeard is OBVIOUSLY fairly stronger as well not just Shanks.

i say BB is a chicken cuz he went in WB's crew propably after roger died so that he would find 1 DF,i think he could have been a member b4 that but that would mean that he would have to face monster pirates and monster marines so yes,he is a chicken

a real man wouldn't depend on 1 particullar DF to go out and face the dangers in GL and you know it is funny cuz even when he got it,he run away from WB and he is still not entering the new world until he becomes a schichibukai

imagine luffy fighting BB,when BB will tell him the story about hiding decades in order to get a fruit and killing a nakama for it,i ask you what you think luffy is gonna say????????????? (please answer this one)

[Phenomenol]

@psolaras:

i say BB is a chicken cuz he went in WB's crew propably after roger died so that he would find 1 DF,i think he could have been a member b4 that but that would mean that he would have to face monster pirates and monster marines so yes,he is a chicken

a real man wouldn't depend on 1 particullar DF to go out and face the dangers in GL and you know it is funny cuz even when he got it,he run away from WB and he is still not entering the new world until he becomes a schichibukai

imagine luffy fighting BB,when BB will tell him the story about hiding decades in order to get a fruit and killing a nakama for it,i ask you what you think luffy is gonna say????????????? (please answer this one)

yeah he would be telling Luffy the story of how He went toe to toe with Shanks and gashed him WITHOUT his devil fruit powers! that is not manly enough for you?:wassat:

[Mr. All Sunday]

I'll agree with Polygon, saying Blackbeard won't ever be capable of defeating Whitebeard is very, very foolish. Blackbeard is obviously a very capable and powerful fighter, depending on how he fairs against Ace (which, judging by the way he treats Ace, will be fairly well), I think it's entirely likely that he might eventually be able to defeat Whitebeard.

[psolaras]

@Phenomenol:

yeah he would be telling Luffy the story of how He went toe to toe with Shanks and gashed him WITHOUT his devil fruit powers! that is not manly enough for you?:wassat:

no it isn't,you ignored all of my post

anyway this matter for me is done,time will tell

[WHITEBEARD]

@Mr.:

I'll agree with Polygon, saying Blackbeard won't ever be capable of defeating Whitebeard is very, very foolish. Blackbeard is obviously a very capable and powerful fighter, depending on how he fairs against Ace (which, judging by the way he treats Ace, will be fairly well), I think it's entirely likely that he might eventually be able to defeat Whitebeard.

and Im saying he wont BEAT WHITEBEARD. but time will tell.

[Link-kun]

Blackbeard obviously ran after giving Shanks that scar. How I know this? Cuz both of them are alive. To Shanks by the way he was speaking, Black Beard is a threat to Ace. But not Shanks level.
He wants to join the Shichibukai. He wants back. He's not doing it the manly way. He's like a pussy shit joining a gang.

Will he be ever able to defeat Whitebeard? That one will take time. At the moment, hell no.

Whitebeard can handle a logia user. And that's all Blackbeard has going for him. I also think he's impersonating a D.

[Mr. All Sunday]

@Link-kun:

I also think he's impersonating a D.

Why? It's possible, but his entire being points towards being a D; he's physically strong, eats a lot, believes in dreams and fate, and is stubborn as hell. He's a D.

Also, technically Blackbeard is doing things the smart way, biding his time and gaining power, as well as notoriety, befores he enters the New World again.

[Coup de Manthong]

@Polygon:

**I agree with this part of the post.

But to say Blackbeard can't become strong enough to kill Whitebeard is just stupid. Though, I really doubt he will defeat him.**

Why wouldn't a major upheaval in the guise of the defeat of the Strongest Man In The World be possible, story-wise, anyway? I think with all the buildup Oda's given to Blackbeard, a victory by Blackbeard would set him up as the major arch-villain of the series. That doesn't sound like much of a stretch to me.

[MechaPanda]

So I finally am able to get posts up here cool. This thread is for OP charcrers you want to create. Mine is a powerful hand to hand fighter who has the devil fruit power to controll the dead. He would wear a mysterius black robe at all times so his face could nver be seen and in generall would be extreamely cool looking, his name would be fagnotsan.

[onemoment]

@Phenomenol:

In general.

Again, this discussion is getting out of hand. Blackbeard has shown no signs of being a threat to Whitebeard? How about the words of Red hair, the man who's fighting Whitebeard right now?

Don't turn this into a versus war. The point is, Blackbeard is a threat to Whitebeard. That doesn't necessarily mean that he can beat him, but then again, how many other things can that mean?

And, since Whitebeard is "the strongest man in the world," being a threat to this man in effect means that he can challenge any man in the world, i.e. the three powers. The Blackbeard crew is a strong crew, we shouldn't doubt that now.

And, with the way the plot is going, it seems like this crew is going to be in competition for the pirate king. What else could it mean? If Blackbeard doesn't kick Ace's ass and start making trouble, then the chapters we spent with Red hair and Whitebeard and wasted pages.

[WHITEBEARD]

@onemoment:

Again, this discussion is getting out of hand. Blackbeard has shown no signs of being a threat to Whitebeard? How about the words of Red hair, the man who's fighting Whitebeard right now?

Don't turn this into a versus war. The point is, Blackbeard is a threat to Whitebeard. That doesn't necessarily mean that he can beat him, but then again, how many other things can that mean?

And, since Whitebeard is "the strongest man in the world," being a threat to this man in effect means that he can challenge any man in the world, i.e. the three powers. The Blackbeard crew is a strong crew, we shouldn't doubt that now.

And, with the way the plot is going, it seems like this crew is going to be in competition for the pirate king. What else could it mean? If Blackbeard doesn't kick Ace's ass and start making trouble, then the chapters we spent with Red hair and Whitebeard and wasted pages.

Blackbeards crew is not on the same level as Whitebeards crew…....you saw what Ace did 2 them.

you people seem to Hype this man up like hes on top of the world......next guy you catz are going to hype up is Jinbei like hes on top of the world also. (how sad)

All im saying is Blackbeard has alot of competion, but you people say hes going to kill WHITEBEARD.

I dont think hes going to be the final boss, there still alot of candidates to be the final boss....yet you guys think it Blackbeard cuz he wants to be pirate king! which is nothing new.:w00t:

[onemoment]

@WHITEBEARD:

Blackbeards crew is not on the same level as Whitebeards crew…....you saw what Ace did 2 them.

Yes…Ace dodged and missed...

The only one who took damage is Blackbeard, and he's picking up the fight next chapter.

[WHITEBEARD]

@onemoment:

Yes…Ace dodged and missed...

The only one who took damage is Blackbeard, and he's picking up the fight next chapter.

and you read what BB said YOUR NOT ON THAT MANS LEVEL.

I added to my last post 2.

Whitebeard is not worried about Blackbeard…..

[Polygon]

Frankly, I think Buggy would be the best final boss for Luffy.

[Chino]

Sorry if it had been asked before (I didn't read all the post, my bad)

But, anyone noticed that the people in Fushia town said that Luffy's "the most famous guy in East Blue" ? What about Ace then ? Does it means that, maybe, for some reason, Ace doesn't have a very high bounty ?

Or perhaps it is just that Ace never did something big enough to be written on one piece world's newspaper.

[Setzer]

But, anyone noticed that the people in Fushia town said that Luffy's "the most famous guy in East Blue" ? What about Ace then ? Does it means that, maybe, for some reason, Ace doesn't have a very high bounty ?

Luffy is the captain of a crew that just flipped off the World Government. Big time. Ace isn't even second in command to Whitebeard.

While Ace could possibly have the higher bounty, I think Luffy is more prominent in the minds of the masses.

It's also possible that Ace made a name for himself after leaving East Blue, whereas Luffy earned the "Greatest Evil in the East" title before entering the Grand Line.

[Polygon]

@Setzer:

Luffy is the captain of a crew that just flipped off the World Government. Big time. Ace isn't even second in command to Whitebeard.

While Ace could possibly have the higher bounty, I think Luffy is more prominent in the minds of the masses.

It's also possible that Ace made a name for himself after leaving East Blue, whereas Luffy earned the "Greatest Evil in the East" title before entering the Grand Line.

Ace > Luffy in every way imaginable.

[WHITEBEARD]

I agree with the pimp in the pink cute suit.

[Setzer]

I'm aware that Poochie could and would wipe the floor with Luffy.

It's a "What have you done for me lately?" situation. Luffy just declared war on the World Government. Luffy is more famous. The world is thinking about him. If Ace were, to say, burn down Marie Joa, he'd be the most prominent in the minds of the people.

<sarcasm>NEW STORY ARC IDEA!</sarcasm>

[WHITEBEARD]

Well Ace bounty is not show for a reason you know, just like hawk eyes….and cant forget what crew he belongs to.

[Polygon]

@Setzer:

I'm aware that Poochie could and would wipe the floor with Luffy.

It's a "What have you done for me lately?" situation. Luffy just declared war on the World Government. Luffy is more famous. The world is thinking about him. If Ace were, to say, burn down Marie Joa, he'd be the most prominent in the minds of the people.

<sarcasm>NEW STORY ARC IDEA!</sarcasm>

You can't be serious.

[Setzer]

You can't be serious.

Luffy's name is roaring throughout the world right now. Everybody knows who he is. Everyone knows that this kid and a few of his friends came basically out of nowhere and destroyed Enies Lobby. This place that was thought to be untouchable.

I'm not saying he's stronger, or even has a larger bounty than Ace, or that Ace isn't famous. At all.

[onemoment]

@WHITEBEARD:

and you read what BB said YOUR NOT ON THAT MANS LEVEL.

I added to my last post 2.

Whitebeard is not worried about Blackbeard…..

So, Blackbeard's word is credible in your eyes then? Moreso the Shanks, it seems? Well, he also said that the age of Whitebeard was over. That and, that if he's fighting Ace, that would means that he's on Ace's level…or more.

Besides, just cause those two couldn't win doesn't mean they are that far apart. You where acting like Ace owned them or something, when they in fact they dodged Ace's attacks pretty well.

Lastly, is Whitebeard not worried due to arrogance or logic?

Really, Whitebeard, I think you're ignoring a lot of facts and truths to make your case here, just for the sake of Whitebeard's strength. What type of story do we have if Whitebeard is invincible?

[Polygon]

@Setzer:

Luffy's name is roaring throughout the world right now. Everybody knows who he is. Everyone knows that this kid and a few of his friends came basically out of nowhere and destroyed Enies Lobby. This place that was thought to be untouchable.

**And? Ace is the 2 division commander of the whitebeard crew, led by the most powerful man in the entire world. He is so powerful, his bounty hasn't been shown yet, which is saying something.

Luffy and his crew beat a couple of guys who were middle-class in the OP world, at best. The world is shocked at what he has done. But so what? It's pretty obvious that people like Ace could probaley do what the entire SH crew did alone. Plus, the higher ups in the OP world have probaley done something many times worse, to be considered such a threat.

Threat is pretty much measured by the crews abilty to kick ass. Luffy and Zoro's combined might made a hole in aqua laguna just big enough for the rocketman to squeeze through. Kaku and Zoro's blades clashing at near full power made a shockwave that almost knocked usopp over. Whitebeard and Shanks' blades clashing at nowhere near their full power made waves, shook the ship and split apart the sky.**

[Setzer]

Power isn't relative to fame, in my opinion.

The consensus among the fanbase is that Blackbeard is pretty damn powerful. Yet, no one at the Schichibukai meeting seemed to know who the hell he was.

The Straw Hats aren't strong enough to take on the big boys yet. Not nearly. I see that point. However, they declared war. They're the main thought of the common people. Ace was searching for Blackbeard. Whitebeard and Shanks had they're heavens-splitting clash on some remote strech of ocean in the New World.

While the Government views the Yonkou and crews as the biggest threat, the common people(the one's not touched by the Straw Hats, the ones who think they're a group of pure evil accompanied by a cute reindeer-thing) are worried about the one's who just declared war.

[onemoment]

Polygon, whatever your argument is, don't act like the events at Enies Lobby didn't make Luffy and co. famous.

But, with whoever you're agruing with, of course the likes of Ace and Whitebeard are far more famous already. But, since apparently no one had taken down Enies Lobby before, who's more famous is hard to say. It depends on the people, after all, maybe the Enies Lobby incident will be more famous because it's more recent?

It's like, different kinds of fames. Whitebeard is like a historical figure, and Luffy is a new thing.

[Polygon]

@Setzer:

Power isn't relative to fame, in my opinion.

Of course not, but if you're more powerful you'll be able to things that will make you more faumos then if you were less powerful.

The consensus among the fanbase is that Blackbeard is pretty damn powerful. Yet, no one at the Schichibukai meeting seemed to know who the hell he was.

That's because he made an effort not to stick out, or else he would have been very well-known by now.

The Straw Hats aren't strong enough to take on the big boys yet. Not nearly. I see that point. However, they declared war. They're the main thought of the common people. Ace was searching for Blackbeard. Whitebeard and Shanks had they're heavens-splitting clash on some remote sea in the New World.

they are the main thought of the common people right now. Just like how Robin was the talk of the people when she got her first bounty. I don't see many mentioning her fame now.

While the Government views the Youkou and crews as the biggest threat, the common people(the one's not touched by the Straw Hats, the ones who think they're a group of pure evil accompanied by a cute reindeer-thing) are worried about the one's who just declared war.

**Who says their worried?

@ onemoment: I never said it didn't make them super-faumos, now did I?**

[ONEinchPUNCH]

@onemoment:

Polygon, whatever your argument is, don't act like the events at Enies Lobby didn't make Luffy and co. famous.

But, with whoever you're agruing with, of course the likes of Ace and Whitebeard are far more famous already. But, since apparently no one had taken down Enies Lobby before, who's more famous is hard to say. It depends on the people, after all, maybe the Enies Lobby incident will be more famous because it's more recent?

It's like, different kinds of fames. Whitebeard is like a historical figure, and Luffy is a new thing.

Luffy may have gotten some fame from the enies lobby incident but i doubt that compares with whitebeards fame and when you mention whitebeard ace's name also pops up and vice versa, creating double the fame.

[WHITEBEARD]

So, Blackbeard's word is credible in your eyes then? Moreso the Shanks, it seems? Well, he also said that the age of Whitebeard was over. That and, that if he's fighting Ace, that would means that he's on Ace's level…or more.

Hes crew is not on Whitebeards crew level b/c they tryed to jump Ace and all got PWNED… 440 spoiler thread anyone. and your forgeting buggys words about Whitebeard.

Besides, just cause those two couldn't win doesn't mean they are that far apart. You where acting like Ace owned them or something, when they in fact they dodged Ace's attacks pretty well.

Ace did not break a sweat…..and Blackbeard said your not on that mans level B/c he knows what Ace is capable of and what his crew is capable of.
when you captain say something like that it mean you will get KILLED.

Lastly, is Whitebeard not worried due to arrogance or logic?

Whitebeard is not worried b/c you will see next chapter(Im not oda)…....and Whitebeard has a logia underling wonder why you people say BB a logia will kill Whitebeard when he overcomes them. hell Marco above Ace.

Really, Whitebeard, I think you're ignoring a lot of facts and truths to make your case here. What type of story do we have if Whitebeard is invincible?

To what that BB is going to kill whitebeard or that BB is going to be the main/final boss.

whitebeard is built up to be invincible….....I dont see him dieing by ANYONE he may die b/c of his sickness.:ninja: do you know who Whitbeard is........do I need to refresh you memory.

[Polygon]

**It's like Gold Roger and Luffy.

Remember in Drum when Kureha asked that guy if he knew about Gol D. Roger. he said "Of course I do, it's be weird if I didn't"

white with the Luffy thing people would be going "Hey did you hear, strawhat Luffy and crew toook down eneis lobby" and the guy would be like "whaaaaaaat?!"

Ace is already known for a while and thus not talked about so much. but Luffy is new, no nessarily more faumos.**

[onemoment]

I feel like everyone is missing the point of this chapter. And instead trying to defend the characters. The characters are second to the plot.

Blackbeard is a threat to the world is the development it seems. As fro Whitebeard vs. Blackbeard, okay, maybe Whitebeard is stronger. Who's to say that Blackbeard's going to fight Whitebeard in a normal contest. Blackbeard himself said that he had a plan to become end Whitebeard's reign and become Pirate King in one stroke.

Also, crew vs. crew isn't decided yet, since we don't know how strong Ace is compared to his comrades. I mean, the "division number" might be a rank, who knows. However, was BB's crew not on Ace's level because of strength or logia power? Sadly, I'm leaning towards the last one.

But, you're geting ahead of yourselves, Auger and Burgress may not have beaten Ace, but they didn't get injured either. It's not a good measure of strength, but it's not a sign of weakness either. The only one who seems to have been hit is Blackbeard, and he;s gearing up for a new attack.

That and, BB is more likely to beat Ace next chapter. If not then, Shanks is an idiot for wasting our time and Oda's an idiot for writing a chapter that went nowhere. And I don't think that's going to happen.

[WHITEBEARD]

I feel like everyone is missing the point of this chapter. And instead trying to defend the characters. The characters are second to the plot.

I agree

Blackbeard is a threat to the world is the development it seems. As fro Whitebeard vs. Blackbeard, okay, maybe Whitebeard is stronger. Who's to say that Blackbeard's going to fight Whitebeard in a normal contest. Blackbeard himself said that he had a plan to become end Whitebeard's reign and become Pirate King in one stroke.

I agree

Also, crew vs. crew isn't decided yet, since we don't know how strong Ace is compared to his comrades. I mean, the "division number" might be a rank, who knows. However, was BB's crew not on Ace's level because of strength or logia power? Sadly, I'm leaning towards the last one.

I dont agree:getlost: logias dont rule the world of one piece. take Whitebeard for an example, he the strongest in the world, and the strongest yonkou. if logias ruled the world why is the man with the strongest title a normal guy with no Logia power or DF powers. and to the guy that will say something like "how do you know he dont got a DF". B/c it would cheapen him, just like Hawk Eyes if he had a DF. so plz stop say Bull shit like that.

But, you're geting ahead of yourselves, Auger and Burgress may not have beaten Ace, but they didn't get injured either. It's not a good measure of strength, but it's not a sign of weakness either.

blackbeard said your not on his level like I said be4 BB know what his crew is capable of and what ace is capable of.

That and, BB is more likely to beat Ace next chapter. If not then, Shanks is an idiot for wasting our time and Oda's an idiot for writing a chapter that went nowhere. And I don't think that's going to happen.

I didnt say BB wont beat ace…....Im saying you guys are on his NUTS b/c of some speech. Groupies are attracted to whatevers hot or in the spot light.

[odlam]

There's an old quote along the lines of "the tools to him that can handle them" which I've always loved applying to these stories.

People always talk about he's cheap without this fruit or that fruit, this ability or that ability, this character is overpowered, that character is cheesy, etc. DEAL WITH IT.

The author gives these characters whatever power he/she feels like in these stories. The devil fruits, like mutants in marvel comics or whatever origins super figures share, is simply the plot device/excuse that allows Oda to design a world with these fantastic characters.

So it's not that "Oh Ace is powerful, but only because he has a cheap fruit", it's "Ace is powerful because Oda made Ace an overpowered character" - But you know what? DUH.

If the character as a whole outclasses another character in the story, than that is the author's intent for that character to do so. It's not cheap and it's not overpowered, it's exactly as it's intended to be.

And that in turn applies to Blackbead whose probably going to kick Ace's ass. If Oda has given him overpowered godly abilities, then Oda intends for the character to be ungodly overpowered. There's no sense bringing in 50 thousand fan made excuses to diminish or tarnish a character, they are all exactly where Oda intends them to be, and he usually gives us statements that indicate exactly where we are supposed to know they are in relation to one another.

[HitsugayaToushiro1191]

I wonder what that revolutionary army the soldiers were talking about was…

[Aeque]

I wonder if Franky-Centaur would ever fight Doc Q and his horse.

[hollow9]

@Aeque:

I wonder if Franky-Centaur would ever fight Doc Q and his horse.

Chopper riding Franky-centaur.

[Polygon]

@hollow9:

Chopper riding Franky-centaur.

I can see it now.gov

[Kma]

Wow you guys post some really good ideas that make me see One Piece in a new way. However I think some of you jump to conclusions way to early. In One Piece there are too many what ifs. I would like to comment on some of your guys posts though.

First off although Whitebeard does have the title of World's Strongest Man, but titles are meant to be taken. Taking boxing for example, you have a world champ and if people were to ask who's the greatest boxer right now many would probaly say him but that by no means does make it true and surely that guy won't be champ forever. In my opinion titles are meant to be taken, and there will be a successor to that title. Also sometimes titles are just titles and nothing more. Its true in Whitebeard's case he earned the title but it is uncertain that since the execution of Roger he has been challenged for that title. Take Dragon, we have no idea about his fighting abilities (except he's strong) but his goal isn't to be the World's Strongest Man. He wants a revolution. If he wanted to pursue that title who the hell know as of now what would happen?

Second although Blackbeard does seem to me that he will be Luffy's final opponent, I will never rule out the possibility of others. I know Final Fantasy has nothing to do with One Piece but in many of those games the final boss is someone you did not expect. This also happens in manga as well. The fact that Oda's favourite actual pirate is Blackbeard does not provide solid proof he will be the final opponent. Buggy is Oda favourite villian but I just don't see him being the final opponent at all. Also I think when Shanks fought Blackbeard, Shanks was still stronger at that time (not saying he is now) but it seems to me that what Shanks found Blackbeard to be so dangerous was his potential and dreams.

Also a comment about Lafitte (sp?)

Does anyone wonder how strong he is? People mention that he can use Soru but to me it seems like he can use something even above that. For instance when he entered the meeting to promote BB he was unnoticed. If it was just Soru I would be pretty dissappointed if people like Donflammingo, Mihawk, Sengoku could not detect it. I mean Luffy and others can so they should easily be able to right? Also if he is Blackbeards subordinate doesnt that make you wonder how truly powerful Blackbeard is?

Also, i was reading the Manga again and this scene really intrigues me. It could be Oda's forshadowing or just my crazy thoughts

http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceManga/onepiecechapter225.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4358

but for some reason it looks like Luffy and Zoro know that Blackbeard and his crew are going to be hella dangerous and the fight between them will be inevitable.

Well thats it for now, i thought i had more to say but i think i forgot…

[kashmir]

No One will defeat WB…

And duh?! BB is only a chapter not the final boss

[Regular]

If all the BB pirates would attack Ace I think they would have a greater chance of defeating him, but also a much greater chance of a bigger loss LIKE most of the crew would die leaving at the most 2 alive.

[kljs]

ok, at present powerlevels, who is stronger?
Whitebeard?
Blackbeard?

and after 300 more chapters later…..
Whitebeard?
Blackbeard?

at the rate Blackbeard is going and at the rate Whitebeard is still hook up to all the medical stuff....

who do you think will overtake Whitebeard eventually?

don't consider Luffy at this moment.... only Blackbeard.....

[Ao Kiji]

i think it's pretty obvious burgess will face franky because they both have similar fighting style (melee)..

Kaku and Sanji have similar fighting styles but they didn't fight each other/ Everyone with eyes and ears is assuming it will end up UsoVs.Auger, and maybe because of that Oda-sensei won't let it happen. Although I really hope it does…

But WHY does everyone think Usopp has to outsnipe Auger? His mission isn't to become the world's best sniper, it's just to be a brave warrior of the sea. He just has to win, which would be a feat in and of itself./ My guess is Usopp will imploy sniping as well as his arsenal of trickery and lies. At this point, there's NO WAY IN HELL Usopp will ever outsnipe that guy, unless he goes off and is trained in the mountains with the god of sniping from now until the end of the damn series.

[alekosss_kenpachi]

About Ace losing to BB i dont really mind seeing him losing but i want Oda to show us how powerfull he really is.(despite ace is one of my favorites) I would like their fight to be shown instead of smth like BB delivering Ace to WG.

[nihilism]

i think wb was hooked up to the medical stuff because of bbs attack on him after he took the darkness fruit.. but hes fine now.

[Urian]

@kljs:

ok, at present powerlevels, who is stronger?
Whitebeard?
Blackbeard?

and after 300 more chapters later…..
Whitebeard?
Blackbeard?

at the rate Blackbeard is going and at the rate Whitebeard is still hook up to all the medical stuff....

who do you think will overtake Whitebeard eventually?

don't consider Luffy at this moment.... only Blackbeard.....

We never saw the reason why Whitebeard is the strongest man of the world with our eyes yet.

Yesterday my little brother said to me something interesting:

"Perhaps Blackbeard wanted this Logia fruit because he believes that thanks to it he could bet Whitebeard"

In other words, we never saw Whitebeard in a real fight and we have seen him clashing with the second most powerful swordman of the world (Shanks) without being a swordman.

Do you believe that with monsters like Ace in his ship Whitebeard is forced to fight? My common sense says no.

[kljs]

that assuming Ace, and the other commanders are able to defeat their opponents…... what if everyone else is beaten?..... Whitebeard will have to fight too....... now, the question would be, can he fight well? or will the wounds become a hindrance?

[FireFistAce 0]

@nihilism:

i think wb was hooked up to the medical stuff because of bbs attack on him after he took the darkness fruit.. but hes fine now.

Did you even read the chapter? He didn't attack Whitebeard. Back then, he would've been dead if he did. Blackbeard killed Sachi, 4th division commander, and took the fruit and ran.

While it's pure speculation who wounded Whitebeard, many people think it's Roger. But I don't think someone is going to remain wounded for 22 years, I'm sorry. It was probably one of the other emperors or someone like Mihawk that got in a lucky shot. Notice what Whitebeard says to Shanks:

Whitebeard: "Seeing your face makes these wounds I got from that asshole ache."

That means it's someone Whitebeard associates with Shanks, and I doubt he'd refer to Roger as an asshole. Plus, Roger died 22 years ago, I don't think he'd be sick for that long and still be alive. That means it's probably one of the other Emperors or Mihawk, because Shanks is one of the Emperors (association that way) and was Mihawk's dueling partner (association that way).

[Polygon]

@Fire Fist:

Did you even read the chapter? He didn't attack Whitebeard. Back then, he would've been dead if he did. Blackbeard killed Sachi, 4th division commander, and took the fruit and ran.

While it's pure speculation who wounded Whitebeard, many people think it's Roger. But I don't think someone is going to remain wounded for 22 years, I'm sorry. It was probably one of the other emperors or someone like Mihawk that got in a lucky shot. Notice what Whitebeard says to Shanks:

Whitebeard: "Seeing your face makes these wounds I got from that asshole ache."

That means it's someone Whitebeard associates with Shanks, and I doubt he'd refer to Roger as an asshole. Plus, Roger died 22 years ago, I don't think he'd be sick for that long and still be alive. That means it's probably one of the other Emperors or Mihawk, because Shanks is one of the Emperors (association that way) and was Mihawk's dueling partner (association that way).

What is so unbelievable about him calling him an asshole? To Whitebeard Shanks has more assosiation ro Roger than to any of the emporers or Mihawk. Plus if Roger gave him the scar, it has a lot more value than if a random emporer or Mihawk gave him that scar.

[Mugiwara_no_Ice]

Man WB talked about a wound he got from Gol d roger
the wound is now a scar –--> so the scar aches
and the medical treatment has nothing to do with the wound he was talking about
He receives medical treatment maybe because he has an incurable disease.
Never tought of that or what????

[psolaras]

@Fire Fist:

Did you even read the chapter? He didn't attack Whitebeard. Back then, he would've been dead if he did. Blackbeard killed Sachi, 4th division commander, and took the fruit and ran.

While it's pure speculation who wounded Whitebeard, many people think it's Roger. But I don't think someone is going to remain wounded for 22 years, I'm sorry. It was probably one of the other emperors or someone like Mihawk that got in a lucky shot. Notice what Whitebeard says to Shanks:

Whitebeard: "Seeing your face makes these wounds I got from that asshole ache."

That means it's someone Whitebeard associates with Shanks, and I doubt he'd refer to Roger as an asshole. Plus, Roger died 22 years ago, I don't think he'd be sick for that long and still be alive. That means it's probably one of the other Emperors or Mihawk, because Shanks is one of the Emperors (association that way) and was Mihawk's dueling partner (association that way).

WB scar has nothing to do with his condition,a scar is a mark and his condition can be caused by his age or illness

and mihawk wouldn't get a lucky shot

anyway i think talking about BB overpowering WB or not is pointless

everyone is answering only to the parts of the posts that suit them and it is obvious that BB is a franky case,other are overexcited with him and others aren't

we haven't seen anything of WB or mihawk or sengoku or shanks or dragon or of the remaining admirals,yonkou,schichibukai,revolutionist and BB is bount from some to be the king of the world and WB is hours away from altzheimer or parkinson

i agree from shanks sayings that he might beat ace but who sais WB's strong nakama are only his division captains???????

this fighting is pointless since everyone is speculating and ignoring facts and posts that don't know how to explain,time will tell